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Imagine there's no blogsphere, I wonder if you can

Posted Wednesday, January 11, 2017, at 10:01 PM

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No false-news websites

No anonymous taunting jabs

Imagine talking to face to face

It's easy if you try

"You may say I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one

I hope someday you'll join us

And the world will be as one"

I wonder how John Lennon would see this world today. Would he sing songs of hate, 'cause ya know he would be labelled a true, to the core Liberal.

If there was no anonymous internet, how would we talk to each other? Would we feed the flames or talk civilly?

Just imagining. :-)


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A retrospective, mellow night tonight.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jan 11, 2017, at 10:02 PM

Sadly, I think John would still be seeing the world thru his drug addled haze, with Yoko by his side further clouding his vision. He would probably be singing "love" songs that sounded pretty hateful. Paul, on the other hand, is still around and seems to be keeping a fairly low profile.

With no net, I suspect a lot of people would be more civil in face to face interactions. But without that outlet, some would surely be much worse.

-- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 9:31 AM

To be honest, Steve, the internet discourse has turned out to be a big disappointment. My business has turned out a lot better than I expected when I began; quadrupling in the first 3 years. However, one's business and oneself are somewhat interchangeable. Talking about politics and such, in these contentious times, doesn't really seem like a good idea. The business has nothing to do with politics, but there is no real purpose alienating clients who find out about my views. As you might guess, liberals do not embrace my conservative views, and what calls itself "conservative" these days cannot tolerate anyone who does not walk in lockstep with their views.

Somehow, I got the idea that, if I refused to indulge in the arrogant, repetitious exchanges of insults and trite talking points that characterize internet "discussion," that I could elicit some stimulating discussion. After all, the regular cast of characters on here are not a bunch of idiots. They are capable of expressing themselves in writing, and have differing opinions. However, so far, I have not had much luck.

Personally, I have always found both Liberals and Conservatives to be intelligent people, who do not see things the same way. And I have not found anyone who agrees with me on every point. But, through thoughtful discussion, I have been able to learn to see things from many different angles. I have always seen that as personal growth. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be possible on the internet. No one listens, they only talk. And, between those who want to define who is or isn't a Christian, or who is or isn't a conservative, and who see the world as composed of only people who agree with them, and human filth, not worthy of living, it can get downright tiresome.

Is it the internet, or is it the people who get on the internet, I really don't know. But, I appreciate your ability to remain reasonable and at least listen to differing opinions. I wish you could clone a few more of yourself.

-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 11:47 AM

There are times I comment and usually get misinterpreted or "judged" by one statement that I try my best to stay out of it.

I do ask questions and it does not always mean I agree or disagree. Just trying to guide the conversation.

John Lennon is a good example. I like his music and most of his writing, but I would bet that we were ay far ends of the spectrum on many things.

Doesn't mean I have to hate him or stop listinenig to his talent, I just disagree and move on.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 12:23 PM

Personally, I find the political opinions of the "stars" to be irrelevant. But, I wish you expressed your opinions more often. I understand why you don't.

-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 12:57 PM

You know, Steve, I just heard "Silly Love Songs" on the radio. What's wrong with that? I'd like to know. But seriously, they were both good, talented, and liberal, by any stretch or contraction of the imagine (ation). I think they made better music together than they did apart.

Laz, I don't think of you or anyone else as human filth. But even if I did, I would still believe they are worthy of living and pursuing the chance for everlasting life. Unless, of course, they are trying to kill me. Then I still pull for them to attain everlasting life. But in that situation I figure the sooner the better.

-- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 1:20 PM

If there was no internet, people would be talking just as they do on their cell phones. Do they talk hateful? I don't know because I chose not to own a cell phone.

I have watch dating shows where the people couldn't possibly enjoy their date because their date was always on their cellphone talking to someone else.

I would have to take my date home and drop her off if she done that to me on a date.

I am just guessing that people don't super glue their cell phones to their ears because they have to change the batteries now and then.

All Russia has to do to cripple our nation is just knock out the cellphone towers.

All I hear is "let me call you back" when someone else calls them, or "I've got to take this". I don't think people know how to just simply talk to everyone. I personally think people are very rude when they are on their cellphones. They will hold up a check out lane in Walmart to talk to someone instead of paying the cashier. It's like the world has to stop for me because I am on the phone. I see them in waiting rooms punching keys to play a game or text someone. They even talk real loud so everyone can hear them. That is distracting sometimes. And everyone has to have a special ring tone or Music played to disrupt what's going on around them.

If people are only going to talk to who they want to talk to... shouldn't that be called racist?

Just asking!

AT least on the internet, you can surf for hours without bothering anyone. The false news isn't just on the internet. It's on the TV as well. We just aren't safe no matter what we use.

False news started years ago. We never called it Fake News, it was just called Gossip. It would go in one ear with one meaning and come out of the other ear as something totally different.

I have never been able to speak in front of a group of people, even if I knew them. With the computer, I can talk to thousands.

Just how many people are you going to walk up to in any giving day and just come right out and voice your opinion about something Trump said?

You say something and you may get a knight stuck in you somewhere or beat to death by a bunch of anti-Trump idiots.

Most people that I counter, do not have time to just stand there and carry on a conversation. It's just how are you, have a nice day, this sure is a beautiful day isn't it? Then their gone to enjoy their day or evening or they say, "I have to take this"!

Stop and think for a minute. What would you do if everyone was as nice as I am. You would be sick to your stomach knowing everyone you talked to thought the same thing as you did or knew everything you knew. It would be BORING!

What if all the white people got on spaceships and went to Mars. Would that make the black people happy, or would they be Racist against other races because they didn't get to go? Would they make America Great Again or divide up into Tribes as President Obama has called them several times.

The blacks would be very bored if their weren't any white people left just as the Whites would be bored without the black race. We all need each other but have to eliminate the Racism. That was something we had years ago. It's time to move on.

-- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 4:19 PM

As an owner of a website, I can honestly say that the best thing that I can think of about a blog is that it brings internet traffic to your website. Increased traffic = increased advertising sales dollars. This is most likely why the TG has the blogs at all.

It is fairly easy to get people to enter into a lengthy argument/discussion over 3 particular subjects; money, politics, and religion.

The more depth the discussion takes, the more hits on the website, more keywords for search engines, increased refreshed rates on web pages, etc., etc.,. all of which increase the likelihood that an ad can be sold on the website. It really is all about the money!

As far as the way people write; Jesus said it best. "From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks". People with ugly hearts say/write ugly words. Intentionally insulting others is an indication of heart condition.

I have also come to realize that people see in others the thing they do not like about themselves. The racist only sees racism. The greedy see greed. The lazy see laziness. etc. etc.

It is much easier to recognize flaws and point the finger at others than to correct oneself, and encourage others.

Most of my time here is probably wasted as far as changing anyone's mind/heart over a particular issue. But, it apparently meets some need that I have to express my own heart. Maybe, that alone makes it worthwhile.

Be blessed :)

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 6:13 PM

That is very good, Liver Light. Thought provoking.

-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Jan 12, 2017, at 8:24 PM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.