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Steve Mills

The White Lives Matter rally cost some serious $$ Do we have a way to recover costs like that?

Posted Wednesday, January 3, 2018, at 1:06 PM
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  • Well, they should send the bill to the antifashionista and BLM crowd. They are the ones that wouldn't let people rally to proclaim that white lives also matter in a peaceful manner. Had they chosen to stay home in their mommas' basements or have their own rally in a separate place, there would have been no need for police protection. We all know how "peaceful" they were when agitating against free speech at Berkeley (the cradle of free speech in the halcyon days of Haight/Ashbury and flower power). So it makes sense that the city would protect us from them when they made their intentions known on the net. But it is a little off-putting that they in fact will charge me as a taxpayer for the pettiness of the left.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jan 3, 2018, at 11:09 PM
  • I say let fair and his Trump supporters take up a collection.The people you are calling antifashionista and BLM were people who live here who refuse to lay down and roll over and let hate win in their town.The white nationalist purpose is to divide towns along color lines and spew hate.The problem is it has always been only white lives that mattered to some.Maybe Shelbyville will think twice the next time before protecting hate spewing Nazi's and closing businesses and losing money.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 12:04 AM
  • It is not antifashionista, but antifascists!

    -- Posted by Tyger on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 9:02 AM
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    The racist hate groups that held their "white lives matter" rally in Shelbyville gave specific reasons for why they chose our town.

    They felt that local government and many citizens were sympathetic, or even agreed with their platform or cause.

    In other words, lots of government "good ole boys" and racist locals in these parts.

    And unfortunately, they're right.

    Everyone knew exactly who was coming to town to hold their rally here.

    The same groups had just been in Charlottesville.White supremacists, white nationalists, KKK, and one of them had murdered a girl and seriously injured many others by mowing into a crowd of people.

    So where were our local leaders when these plans were being made?

    I agree that the overwhelming police presence and planning done to keep the two groups separated kept any violence from happening, and I commend them for that.

    But now we're stuck with an 83K bill.

    What if, our local elected officials had spoken up right when these racist groups announced their plans to come here.

    They all should have been making public statements denouncing hate groups, racism, and demanding that these groups are not welcome in Shelbyville.

    Where were they? Where was Jim Tracy? How about our local city officials?

    They all basically spent 83k on every cop and metal barricade they could find and then hid under their desks.

    Luckily we did have many Shelbyville residents that were brave enough to come out to stand up, and outnumber the racists that invaded our town, much to the dismay of the closet racists like fairshare who cowered at the back of the crowd with his MAGA hat on, not having the balls to even join his racist heros on their side of the street.

    If the white supremacists never come back to Shelbyville, it will only be for one reason. It will because they know they are not welcome.

    So unless you were down there that day protesting their presence here, you have no reason to complain about the 83k it cost our city and the revenue lost to local businesses.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 9:18 AM
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    I'm still trying to figure out when "anti-fascist" became a bad thing for some people.

    So I guess you are Pro-fascist?

    Pro-racism?

    Pro-Nazi?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 9:45 AM
  • RV; Since you chose to call out Jim Tracy, I choose to defend him. I have known Jim for many, many years, since long before he was an elected official. We have had no finer person in elected office in Middle Tennessee. I might not agree with him 100% of the time, but he is intelligent, fair, even handed, and represents *ALL* of his constituents without regard to race or religion. If our local public officials chose not to add fuel to the fire by making statements, I think that was a valid strategy to adopt. Likewise the other local public officials. I dealt with many of them for a long time. While I would accept an evaluation of them as varying degrees of "enlightened" by your standards, I never encountered a "White Supremicist" or a "Racist" among them. I think that Shelbyville handled this situation about as well as it could have been handled.

    Fare; My Uncle Jack went all the way across North Africa just behind the front lines. He got to see the fruits of the Nazi dream first hand, as he prepared the corpses and identifiable parts for burial. My Uncle Don entered Germany with the occupying troops, and saw first hand what "White Supremacy" really means when the concentration camps were liberated. All told, I had 5 first degree of separation family members who served in WWII. None of them died, but a part of all of them did. From Uncle Jack, who never laughed again after he came home to kind-hearted Uncle Bill (who was in the front lines from the very beginning to the very end) who ended every day sitting alone in the dark smoking a cigarette and thinking about his friends who did not come home in one piece, they were all casualties of the Nazi dream. Your defense of the Nazis and White Supremacists is on shaky ground. Those people came here hoping to cause trouble. Period.

    Steve; I put on a number of events that are sometimes held on public property or use government services. If we use police time, we pay for it. If we use public property, we pay for it. And those events bring in card-carrying (pun intended) tourists and generate a positive economic impact. The organizers of this event should pay the bill. In defense of the city, I doubt they had the resources to calculate what the expense would be in advance. If a similar event was proposed, I would hope the license fee would reflect what they know now.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 10:23 AM
  • Yes anti-fascist has become a bad thing and white nationalist has become the good ole boys to some twisted americans.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 10:27 AM
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    laz, I wasn't discrediting Jim Tracy's overall integrity or his total record of public service.

    I'm just saying I thought he really dropped the ball in this situation.

    If you're an elected official, speaking out publicly against violent white supremacist hate groups that want to invade your hometown should have been paramount.

    Publicly denouncing racism shouldn't be seen as adding fuel to the fire, but more as extinguishing the flame.

    If Jim Tracy, our Mayor, city council members, etc., couldn't stop the rally from happening in the first place, then I would've at least like to have seen them down there at the rally standing next to myself and my neighbors.

    Shake some hands, make their presence known. I mean, c'mon...if you're a community leader and you can't show public opposition to Nazis, what kind of leader are you?

    To me, you're cowardly, if not complicit.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 11:34 AM
  • I'm still trying to figure out when "anti-fascist" became a bad thing for some people.

    So I guess you are Pro-fascist?

    Pro-racism?

    Pro-Nazi?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine

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    Two things.

    Historically, the anti-fascists were communists, and that trend is still alive today.

    Second is the fact that anyone who does not toe the party line of liberal democrats is called a nazi, fascist, racist, or something similar.

    Under true fascism the antifa thugs would disappear in the middle of the night.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 12:23 PM
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    Not true, Mikey.

    The reason I called the "white lives matter" people racist Nazis, had nothing to do with them not "toeing the party line of liberal democrats".

    It was more of the fact that they wore Nazi helmets with swastiks and were yelling racial slurs.

    Also I've met and talked with quite a few people that consider themselves "anti-fascist". None of them were communist. I'm not either.

    You really have no reason to oppose anti-fascists, anti-racists, or anti-Nazis, unless you are one.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 1:02 PM
  • RV

    Both you and LBR have called me and fair racists and other nonsense, for opposing the liberal ideology. Anyone who opposed obama, for any reason, was labeled a racist.

    There is a popular saying that the definition of a racist today is anyone who wins an argument with a liberal.

    Modern antifa folks might not like to call themselves communists, but their desire for freebies administered through the government, and supplied by someone else is indistinguishable.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 1:34 PM
  • Well quitemike are all those poor whites in poor states that vote republican and utilize"freebies administered through the government"communists?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 5:50 PM
  • Hey, Y'all forgot to include me as a white supremacist, racist, Anti-Fascist hater, etc., etc., etc..

    If you read your US Constitution and Supreme Court decisions you will find out that the white people have an unalienable right to free speech. This free speech includes the right to spew hate speech against anyone they want to as long as they don't injure them.

    Whereas a black person, brown person or any other US Immigrant only has privileges or civil rights, but not unalienable rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. Hell, you can read that right in the 14th amendment that was created for the purpose of giving the black slaves a US Citizenship.

    While I am thinking about it, let me spew out some Civil War facts that the blacks aren't thinking about. The blacks hate the southern army or the Rebels! They think the rebel flag is racist! Here's how stupid all that **** is:

    Everyone born south of the Mason-Dixon Line was a Rebel and everyone north of the Mason-Dixon Line was a union Yankee!

    So if you were born in the south, you fought for the side of the rebels. If you didn't, you were a traitor and could be shot, just as the Yankees had to fight with the northern union troops or be shot as a traitor.

    So the southern Rebel generals had no choice but to fight on the side of the Rebels. Why would this make them Racists when they had no choice in where they were born? They only fought the best way they could and became great men for their leadership and had nothing to do with Racist.

    Now for the crazy part. Just look at all the Southern born Black people who hate the Rebel Flag or anyone who fought on the side of those Black rebels? The blacks don't realize that many, many of them were born Rebels by no choice of their own. People just can't use their common sense that God gave them. Do the Lives of the blacks who were born in the south matter as much as the black lives born north of the Mason-Dixon Line? Makes you stop and scratch yor head doesn't it?

    Wouldn't that mean that the blacks born north of the Mason-Dixon Line would be racist against the blacks who were born south of the Mason-Dixon Line OR would the Blacks born South of the Mason-Dixon Line be Racist against the Blacks who were born north of the Mason-Dixon Line? Wow! Now I can see why the Dems need help in deciding who to call racist, White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, etc., etc., and etc..

    Happy New Year!

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 6:09 PM
  • The White Lives Matter rally didn't cost Shelbyville or the state of Tennessee any money at all. It was the Anti-fascist who caused all the law enforcement agents to be present to prevent Rioting by the Anti-Fascist.

    The sheriff told everyone that The White Lives Matter group was not coming to demonstrate or protest, but to hand out literature explaining what they were all about an would not need a permit for that.

    It wasn't until the media, and the Anti-Fascists groups convensed the city officials to take extra precautions to prevent the Anti-Fascists from rioting and demonstrating. Your local Anti-Fascist Group should had been forced to get a permit to protest against The White Lives Matter being here. The trouble with that is, there was no one in charge of the Anti-Fascist Mob who came to disrupt the peaceful assemble.

    The White Lives Matter chose to turn around and leave town peacefully without any disruptions because there wasn't enough people interested in learning what they ad to say. Again, there was no problem on the side of The White Lives Matter group. They came and went with no problems. They left respectfully and was accused of running with their tail between their legs.

    Now that is just how the Anti-Fascist idiots do things. They prevent people from exercising their right to speak.

    I have told everyone several times before - The educated idiots only know what they have been taught. This doesn't include common sense learning. They have no common sense. They only do and act as they are told to. They have no brain of their own, so WHO SHOULD PAY?

    The city officials had to let The White Lives Matter exercise their right to speech, but didn't deny the Anti-Fascists the right to interfere and deny The White Lives Matter their right to assemble peacefully. Nor did the City Officials make the Anti-Fascist pay for a permit to protest, so they have to eat the cost.

    Or I should say you have to pay their cost. It should have to be divided by all the Anti-Fascist people in Shelbyville who caused all the problems that required snipers on roof tops etc. Disgusting! I mean Disgusting on the behalf of the Anti-Fascist. And YOU who said you don't see anything evil about the Anti-Fascist? Better wake up.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 7:34 PM
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    And there you have it. Another horrifying glimpse at the inner workings and rationale inside the mind of an average Trump supporter.

    Thanks Sue.

    Classic

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 8:05 PM
  • Here is one for you rocket;

    Have you noticed a lot of doctors are leaving Shelbyville? It seems like Tennova is putting pressure on the Physicians to join their Family of Physicians so Tennova will become a Healthcare Monoply controlling who will be able to be Physicians in Shelbyville.

    My wife has been seeing a new Primary Care Provider who has sent her to the hospital for all her tests, regardless of who she wanted to go to. She has overlooked my wife's special doctors and wanted to send her to her doctor choices. I think she may be a member of this family and sending my wife to other Tennova Family Physicians/members. PLUS her new Primary Care Provider has put my wife on notice that she is moving to California to be closer to her family. Sounds fishy to me.

    Can you put some light on this?

    Of course, I'm just a Trump supporter with common sense, so I am sure you can google this and explain what is going on.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 9:53 PM
  • Tyger, have you seen the fashion statements that those loons on the left that call themselves antifa make? They look like they raided their grannies' unmentionables drawer for their facewear. Yep, they are antifashionista. No fashion sense at all. (That is probably hiding out with their common sense.)

    Laz, the only defense I have for Nazis or White Supremacists (or racists, for that matter) is defense of their freedom to say what they **** well want to say. Seems as tho I read about that once in the Constitution. And if you don't think they have that right then I might start to wonder if you were almost as racist, fascist, commie as RV, unreal,and their unfashionable buddies. About the only difference I see between the commies and the fascists is the commies seem to be a little more efficient when it comes to killing.

    I can understand how some of you might think I was a racist, white supremacist, nazi, etc, etc. After all, I am white and conservative. And to add insult to injury, I have the audacity to think that my life also matters. Easy mistake for those who live their lives right down the Party line.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 10:01 PM
  • Sui, it is too late at night for me to wrap my head around your Tennova statement but remind me to start a blog about it to see what shakes out?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jan 4, 2018, at 10:14 PM
  • Sounds good Steve. If there is anything to it the people should know it.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 12:40 AM
  • Well quitemike are all those poor whites in poor states that vote republican and utilize"freebies administered through the government"communists?

    -- Posted by lets be real

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    LBR once again needlessly injecting race into the discussion.

    Thanks for proving the point LBR.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 3:17 AM
  • Steve: My own physician was recently bought out by Tennova. For many years, since I had my thyroid removed, I have had to go in once a year and have my thyroid hormone levels tested. Without a Thyroid, I have to take a supplement daily to replace the hormones no longer produced by my body. Every so often, the dosage will have to be slightly increased to keep me functioning properly. Without the supplement I slow down and eventually die. I was surprised to find that halfway thru last year, my prescription had run out. When I called the dr to correct the error, they told me "corporate requires that we do the tests every 6 months." That is not the standard of care for people without a thyroid. The standard remains once a year. Corporate requires that its dr's run unnecessary tests to generate revenue. Since Tennova bought out my dr, I find myself getting "sales" messages in robocalls and e-mails pushing medical care that I do not require. The latest came in December, when they asked if I had "reached (my) deductible" and suggested that I think if there were any procedures or tests that I would like to have done before the year runs out.... I get the sense that Tennova is much more interested in harvesting my money than they are my health. It has been my intention to look for a new physician when it comes time for my thyroid tests. I have been well pleased with my dr for many years. But I am not interested in becoming a cash cow for a corporation. Now, I wonder if Tennova will be able to secure a monopoly in medical care. They are buying up all the sources. Tennova scares me a lot more than Obamacare does.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 4:44 AM
  • Laz,you better go ahead and start calling now. When I got a new doc a couple years ago, they were scheduling new patient appointments about 3 months out. An urgent care clinic could tide you over but then they would try to get 2 visits out of it, the initial to order the lab then the follow up to review and write the script.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 6:07 AM
  • Tennova is a for profit hospital. Does anyone know the amount of unpaid bills for the Shelbyville hospital.

    -- Posted by Grit on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 8:04 AM
  • I recently found out that sui is pronounced "soo ee" and means "Water" in Japanese. Does this mean that sui is all wet?

    -- Posted by Tyger on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 11:43 AM
  • I will start a new black g about healthcare and Tennova. Probably two hours from now.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 12:44 PM
  • Water is a well revered element in the Far East but dont think that is what thos sui had in mind. We will see what response is forthcoming.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 1:16 PM
  • Looks to me like there just might be some truth to this Tennova Family Physician/Membership Monopoly. God help us all. Oh that's right, I use the VA services since I served in the military. I also received a QMB Card and tried to refuse it, but they wouldn't accept my refusal.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 1:52 PM
  • Maybe your privilege card would work?

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 1:59 PM
  • Tyger; Let me see if I have this right.

    Sui is short for Sui Juris.

    Sui Juris is a legal term that means:

    Sui iuris, commonly also spelled sui juris is a Latin phrase that literally means "of one's own right", having full legal capacity to act on one's own behalf : not subject to the authority of another.

    You see Tyger, if you hire an attorney or Lawyer, you are considered indigent and need a lawyer (Officer of the Court who is bound by the court and Bar Association 'owned and controlled by the Communist Party') to handle all your legal affairs.

    If you are a sui juris, you are a man or woman and not a citizen of any corporation. You are not a person who is liable to corporations or subject to all laws.

    By being a sui juris you are reserving all your unalienable rights because you are not a "Person" or "Corporation" subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. and courts.

    For example; If you have Civil Rights, you are not a sui juris with Unalienable rights!

    If you are a 14th Amendment Citizen, you are not a sui juris with Unalienable Rights because you have 14th Amend. Civil Rights and Privileges given to you by, YES, the U.S. Corporation. You are subject to all U.S. Federal and State laws.

    If you are a sui juris, you are NOT bound by Federal Law (Unless you violate a Federal Law while inside of a Federal Territory), because all Federal Legislation applies only in Federal Territories unless there is a contrary intent to include you by naming you as a person liable for that Federal law.

    Wow! Now you may need a drink of "soo ee" after all that White Supremacist spewed intell! And give God the Glory that He may be glorified in His Son, because God gave us our Unalienable Rights, not our Government! The Government can't touch our rights (if we reserve them) because God gave them to us.

    Don't be fooled by my Intell, it goes a lot deeper than I can explain here. If you demand your rights, you better know how to claim and protect them.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 5, 2018, at 2:53 PM
  • Sui,

    If you meant sui juris, you should say sui juris as there is also sui generis, which means "of one kind".

    -- Posted by Tyger on Sat, Jan 6, 2018, at 8:51 AM
  • Tyger,

    If you have been paying attention to the blogs, you would know that I too am a one of a kind Sovereign man. I haven't met anyone on these blogs who has stood up and admitted that they were a part of the sovereignty of these United States of America. It's like the Americans have branded anyone who is smart enough to demand their rights are White Supremacists. I can live with that, because I know I am a sovereign man with Unalienable right. I dare to stand up by myself.

    Everyone I have talked to only admits they have "Civil Rights" which would mean they were 14th amendment citizens or their parents were. They have no Unalienable rights. Read the 14th Amendment and tell me where it says those people have unalienable rights. They are subject to Federal and State jurisdiction. That isn't Sovereignty! The US Government has Sovereignty OVER the 14th Amendment Citizens.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Jan 6, 2018, at 5:18 PM
  • Here is a riddle for all the blog readers/commenters:

    Amendment XIV (14)

    Section 1.

    All (persons) (born or naturalized) (in the United States), (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof), (are citizens of the United States) and (of the State wherein they reside).

    If all the persons who are born or naturalized in the United States (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof) - - -

    Why aren't they Citizens of all 50 states instead of just the one State that they reside in?

    ANSWER:

    There are two Classes of Citizens: 1). There are United States Citizens (Federal Citizens or US Citizens) and 2). state citizens (the Sovereignty).

    All 14th Amendment Citizens who are or were born or naturalized in the United States where they are subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States (Washington, DC, Federal Territories, Federal Lands and Parks and Military Bases) are citizens of the Corporation United States. and also Citizens of the State that they reside in, so that State would have jurisdiction over them.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 7, 2018, at 6:49 PM
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