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Steve Mills

Another tragedy in American society. Guns, politics, society, breakdown in enforcement, WHAT?

Posted Friday, February 16, 2018, at 1:58 PM
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  • The simply fact is its illegal to murder 17 kids at a school. If laws were the answer, why didn't this law stop him?

    Murder is universally illegal with the highest penalties society can offer, including death. If that isn't a deterrent, then another law, with lesser penalties (how can you kill someone twice) won't either.

    The answer is to put armed security in our schools (even arm the teachers if they're so inclined), just as we use armed security at many other places to guard items less important than children.

    But this is only a stop gap measure. We need to return to sanity. Is it so surprising that when we live in a society where killing an unborn baby for convenience is seen as an empowering choice, someone will see an empowering choice in killing kids a bit older?

    Liberal celebrities who tout gun control measures glorify selfish hedonidtic behavior in their work and personal lives, then look agahst when selfish behavior is taken to the next level

    Its no coincidence that when we took God out of schools, we started having to put cops in them.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 16, 2018, at 2:32 PM
  • You can't take God out of the hearts of people in schools,people still prayed at moments of silence.The killer in Florida did belong and train with the white supremacy.Police can disband the hate group,they have no problem disbanding minority groups that aren't even hate groups.The white supremacy is training and brainwashing young white male kids to hate and kill anyone who does not look like them.Some are learning it at home.

    Then we have a president who spews hate.A president ready to cut funding for school safety and signs bills to put guns in the hands of the mentally ill.I hope he is asked about both when he meets those families of slaughtered children.Some of his supporters probably think this is fake as they do Sandy Hook.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Feb 16, 2018, at 6:27 PM
  • Another "real" problem is that absolutely stupid people are allowed to vote and treated like actual adults.

    The police said there was no evidence Cruz was part of a white supremacy group. The guy who originally made the claim is walking back the claim.


    But do facts matter to professional victims? Nope

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 16, 2018, at 6:59 PM
  • I don’t think this monster cared what anyone looked like nor exhibited any of the other supremecists ideals in shooting these people.

    I too believe the law drawn up after Sandy Hook had too many flaws to be useable. There WERE however flaws in the enforcement of current laws and common sense.

    Threatening school attacks should be actionable like threatening the President.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Feb 16, 2018, at 7:02 PM
  • Those types of threats are actionable.

    Wilson county just arrested 4 teens for making fake threats of an impending school shooting.

    Bedford county just charged a man for calling in a fake bomb threat.

    Perhaps if the FBI wasn't so busy chasing a fake collusion case, they could have investigated these two threats.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 5:54 AM
  • Speaking of the FBI being too busy trying to bring Trump down, I'm a little surprised none of the libs have been gloating about 13 indictments being filed yesterday.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 6:26 AM
  • The true blame still falls on the individual but we need to hear the bottom line of why no one took action, or if they did, WHY they concluded no threat.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 7:01 AM
  • Yeah. Seems like a lot of the time there are warning signs that aren't heeded. When you got a guy that calls the FBI and tells them this jerk has guns and wants to shoot up a school, they at least have to go talk to him.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 7:20 AM
  • The AR-15 is not and never was an "assault weapon"; that was something dreamed up by the media to demonize guns in their quest to get guns banned.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:34 AM
  • Here is a definition of the AR and discussion of what an assault weapon is http://www.thefirearms.guide/blog/educational/assault-rifle

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 9:56 AM
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    We need to look at what has worked, and what hasn't.

    More guns, is not the answer. There was a armed security guard at the school in Florida. That didn't work.

    After Australia had horrible mass shootings like this they implemented gun reform laws and they haven't had another mass shooting in 20 years.

    A few things will have to happen before these senseless killings will stop.

    We have to ban these military style weapons like the AR-15 and high capacity ammo clips.

    We need very strict background checks. One of the first things Trump did was to sign a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.

    If you've been convicted of a violent crime or have a history of mental illness, that should exclude you from owning a gun.

    You should have to take a test and get a license, just like a drivers license to own a firearm.

    If simple steps like these could save lives, why is it so hard to get it done.

    You can't blame law enforcement for not stopping the Florida shootings.

    He legally purchased his AR-15. That should never have happened in the first place. How many more crazy people are out there right now with these weapons?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 10:12 AM
  • Why do you feel law enforcement does not have any culpability RV? There were laws that they could have used to deter him.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 11:03 AM
  • It would seem to me that the problem is not guns but a lack of action on common sense observations. A gun is convenient/easy method to use to commit evil acts and/or to defend against them. It is only a tool nothing more, nothing less. Making them illegal will be no more effective than making drugs illegal.

    Common sense would dictate that you identify the threat. A gun in a good guys hand is not a threat. A gun in the hands of bad guy is. The gun is not the threat, the "guy" holding it is.

    As long as the focus is on the gun no action will be taken on the real problem.

    A profile of perpetrators should be easy to develop at this point.

    1.) They are all male.

    2.) Most are white

    3.) Most are on some type of psychotropic drug.

    Use some common sense and take action when this profile is evident.

    That's my TCW.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 12:44 PM
  • The abosulte stupidity/dishonesty/ignorance of a couple of our liberal posters would be amazing if it wasn't demonstrated so often.

    The obama measure about "mentally ill gun purchases" was not that at all. It put people on social security disabilty, who used others to manage their benefits, into the NICS database, preventing them from owning a gun. "Managing their benefits"could be using a third party due to financial inexperience of the person on disability.

    This obama move was so onerous, even the ACLU spoke out against it.


    Perhaps RV or LBR could explain how they think this action would have made one scintilla of difference in the Florida shooting, since Cruz wasn't on SS disability, nor was ge using a third party to manage his affairs?

    (The above is copied from the other blog, since RV is going to continue to spread his lies)

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 12:48 PM
  • It's also absurd to say armed security doesn't work because the size of this school prevented the single armed security officer from coming into contact with Cruz.

    If we sent a single soldier to Japan after Pearl Harbor, would we watch his inevitable failure and throw up our hands and claim there's no point in defending ourselves? (rhetorical as I shudder to imagine the liberal answer)

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 1:07 PM
  • Interestingly enough, on the same day as the Florida school shooting, three people tried to enter the NSA facility at Fort Meade. They were instantly fired upon by armed guards and were stopped at the gate.

    I guess copies of text messages and internet histories rate higher levels of protection than school children.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM
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    Mikey, the law President Obama put in place added people to a background data base that were receiving government disability for MENTAL ILLNESSES, and prevented them from purchasing firearms.

    It might not have stopped this particular shooting, but possibly one in the future.

    Maybe you could explain how Trump blocking this could help in any way.

    Steve, my point about law enforcement is that trying to stop every crazy person with a gun would be an impossible task. What we need to do is stop them from getting their hands on these guns in the first place.

    Why does anyone need an AR-15? Can someone answer that?

    If you want to shoot a gun like that, join the Army.

    And how can you say some of these gun reform laws would never work when we can just look at Australia and see that they haven't had a mass shooting in 20 years since they did it.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 1:59 PM
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    Mikey, so the armed security guard didn't work.

    So your answer is make every school a fortress, with snipers on the roof, armed guards at every door.

    Do we do this at every shopping mall and movie theater too?

    Just guns, and more guns.

    That's your answer?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM
  • RV,

    Why do you continue to lie when the truth has been posted for you?

    Obama and the SS administration implemented a regulation that would put those on SS disability who use a third party to help manage their affairs on the no buy list.

    Third party was so loosely defined it could include using an accountant when the recipient had trouble managing their finances.

    Try reading the ACLUs opinion on the measure that's beeen posted twice for you.

    Let's extrapolate it to something you do care about.

    What if Trump implemented a measure that said those on government assistance had demonstrated an inability to make good life choices and were barred from voting?

    The ideology is identical, only the parameters are changed, but I'm betting you'd have a screaming monkey fit over that one.

    No, RV, the single armed guard on a campus of over 3,000 students, spanning several acres was ineffective.

    Did you read the analogy about Japan?

    Need someone to explain it to you?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 2:33 PM
  • I know liberals despise personal responsibility including the compound word self-defense.

    You can delegate that responsibility to the police or others, even after the police responded to Cruz's house 39 times and the FBI failed to investigate known threats.

    The Supreme Court has ruled the police have no duty to respond to calls for help, except in very narrowly defined instances where an individual is an enhanced victim, such as orders of protection.

    This means an axe murderer can chop down your door in the middle of the night, you call 911, the police say, nah, we're not going, and you have no recourse.

    Ultimately your safety, and by extension that of your family is YOUR responsibility.

    If whiny liberals don't like that, then they should remain silent when handing over that responsibility to others doesn't work as planned.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 2:40 PM
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    Mikey, instead of reading the ACLU's opinion, you should try reading the actual law that President Obama had implemented.

    It stated that-(now pay attention here)

    The Social Security Administration was required to enter the names of people who receive MENTAL HEALTH benefits into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.(key words here-"mental health")

    So I'll ask again, why is this not a good step to take? And how would Trump blocking this action help?

    And I guess your answer is Yes, to turning our schools into fortresses with snipers and armed guards at every door?

    Again, that is your answer?

    More guns?

    Do we have these snipers everywhere?

    Movie theaters, malls, McDonalds, sporting events, concerts?

    This is seriously your answer?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 3:18 PM
  • RV,

    In that "law" mental illness is so broadly defined as to include eating disorders.

    You think Rosie O'Donnell is a threat?

    Again, I'll ask, if this law was still in place would it have made one iota of difference since Cruz wasn't on SS disability?

    Take your time

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 3:49 PM
  • This school had a law which completely banned guns on their property excepting law enforcement. This was around a 5 acre campus. If they couldn't keep them off such a small area, how would you keep them out of the entire US which is 3.8 million square miles?

    The full brunt of the US military has been in Afghanistan, which is roughly the size of Texas, for well over a decade, yet Afghanistan still isn't disarmed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 3:52 PM
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    Mikey, if your eating disorder is so severe that you can't work and need mental health government assistance to survive, then you do have some serious issues. And yes, you should be added to the background data base.

    And I answered this question once already, but since you seem a little slow on reading comprehension I'll try it again.

    This law may have made no difference at all with the Florida shooting, but it very well might help stop the next one from happening.

    So I'll ask you again...and you take your time as well...

    Why is it not a good idea to keep firearms out of the hands of people that have been confirmed to have serious mental issues?

    And how did Trump blocking this law help?

    And please explain your idea for making schools paramilitary fortresses. Exactly how many snipers and armed militia will be required?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 4:42 PM
  • RV-

    I think it is a GOOD idea to keep firearms out of the hands of people "that have been confirmed to have serious mental issues."

    I think Mikes point is;

    What is the definition of "serious mental disorder". To me, it is a person who has been prescribed psychotropic drugs.

    I think Mike is saying that the law is being broadly interpreted to include people on public assistance.

    Once in place, a law and/or it's interpretation/enforcement can be altered to suit whoever is in power at the time. Imagine a GOP run government declaring liberals mentally ill; Or, a DEM run government declaring conservatives mentally ill.

    It should be easy to see, based on the hateful comments posted on these blogs, how this pendulum could swing either way. In both scenarios, the government gains power and the people lose it.

    Then, there is the enforcement of the law. According to some, the shooter had repeatedly displayed his dangerous tendencies, as well as mental health issues, which should have triggered the FBI and law enforcement to take preventative measures, but they didn't.

    Now, if only law enforcement has the power of the laws, and the guns, AND those willing to break the law. Then, how will the regular, responsible, sane, law abiding, citizen protect himself from the two aforementioned groups who seek to abuse them?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 5:48 PM
  • Rocket,

    Using that same train of thought do you agree with keeping or limiting the amount of sugar/sweets a diabetic can buy or salt someone with cardiovascular disease can buy? I see a serious problem out there that puts people into a category that would discourage them from getting assistance for an episode of situational depression that stays on there medical records and could prevent them from buying a weapon when they have been successfully treated. A person with a eating disorder is no more likely to shot someone than a person without a eating disorder.

    -- Posted by SharonSue65 on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 5:52 PM
  • Maybe it's just too obvious, but it would seem that increased security is what is needed.

    We have a security fence, guards, cameras and limited entry to all kinds of businesses and government facilities in this country. It seems to be very effective.

    Why not do the same thing at schools?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 6:44 PM
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    This is good. We might actually be starting to have an honest debate about gun violence. Something our elected representatives have been unable to do.

    So, we all agree that guns need to be kept out of the hands of crazy people.

    But, some of you don't like the idea of The Social Security Administration being the ones adding people to the background database due to their "mental health" parameters are too "broadly defined".

    So how about this...As part of your background check before buying a firearm, everyone must have a mental evaluation from a licensed physician certified in mental healthcare.

    Also, all physicians are required to report anyone diagnosed with a mental illness to the database.

    These mental illnesses would only include ones that might pose a threat to owning firearms. Bi-polar, schizophrenia, violent tendencies, etc.

    Is this something we could all agree on?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 7:37 PM
  • "Requiring everyone" is not an option I would be ready to support. The same logic could be applied to cars, gasoline, fertilizers, poisons, acids, etc, etc.

    Adding people that are diagnosed and prescribed medication to a data base I could support.

    Adding fences, guards, and gated entries to schools I could also support.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:03 PM
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    The school in Florida had taken precautions. They went thru active shooter training and had armed security on campus.

    All schools would literally have to be made into military fortresses to be prepared for a person with a machine gun sneaking up on them.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:19 PM
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    And let's say you do add fences, guards, gated entries, armed guards, etc., at schools.

    What about the crazy gun-nuts that are also killing people at movie theaters, churches, shopping malls, concerts?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:25 PM
  • Ok, if you call security fence, restricted/gated entry, and security guards (plural) a military fortress, then so be it. If lives are saved and the freedom/rights of law abiding citizens is retained, it is worth it.

    Outlawing guns will not make them disappear from the face of the earth. Drugs are outlawed, but I will bet you there are drugs inside most any high school on any given day.

    So, increased security will still be needed if you are serious about making schools safer. These types of soft targets have to be hardened. Otherwise, it is just politics as usual.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:38 PM
  • Your not going to get rid of crazy people. There will always be evil until the end. People shooting, driving vehicles into crowds, exploding devices, throwing bombs, etc. At least in public places, other armed people can defend themselves.

    I think any establishment that hosts a large crowd should be responsible for security. Most already are.

    I think the media could do a lot to strip the killers of their motives by not publishing their names and faces.

    Simply referring to them as "murderer" is sufficient. They should in no way gain anything from their evil act.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:46 PM
  • Amen Liveforlight! Lose their names and erase them form ANY history.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:54 PM
  • And let's say you do add fences, guards, gated entries, armed guards, etc., at schools.

    What about the crazy gun-nuts that are also killing people at movie theaters, churches, shopping malls, concerts?


    Let adults at those venues carry their weapons if they're able. LOTS of churches around Shelbyville now have designated people who are armed and on a security team.

    The reason to have outside security at schools is it's a bit much to ask 5th graders to be responsible for their own security, nevermind the legal issue of them owning guns.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:56 PM
  • RV,

    If we are going to have a serious back and forth, please avoid the histrionics, such as "machine gun". No machine gun was used in this shooting or any one in the recent past.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 8:59 PM
  • And now this from several news agencies:

    Florida’s state social services agency investigated (name removed) home life more than a year before police say he killed 17 people at his former high school, closing the inquiry after determining that his “final level of risk is low,” despite learning that the teenager had behavioral struggles and was planning to buy a gun, according to an investigative report.

    The investigation detailed that he intended to purchase a gun for unknown reasons, according to a Florida Department of Children and Families report obtained by The Washington Post. Ultimately, the investigation was closed in November 2016, just months before (name removed) bought the AR-15 assault-style rifle that police say he would later use in the massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 9:22 PM
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    The NRA has called the AR-15 "the civilian version of the military's M-16".

    That must be the reason it's mass murderers weapon of choice.

    It was used at the mass killings in Las Vegas, Orlando, the elementary school in Newtown, Conn., a church in Texas, and now this Florida high school.

    I see no reason for a weapon like this to be readily available to any average idiot that can stumble into a gun store.

    How can you continue to claim that outlawing these guns won't stop mass shootings, when we have proof that it will do just that.

    Australia implemented this gun reform 20 years ago and haven't had another mass shooting since.

    They still have crazy people there too.

    They're just not running around with assault riffles like they do here.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 9:32 PM
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    Steve, is there any law in place that could have prevented (name removed) from purchasing the AR-15 used in the school shooting after he was investigated by Florida's State Social Services Agency?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 9:40 PM
  • The governor of Florida wants the head of the FBI to step down because of this.The FBI gets over 2000 calls a day and is part to blame but this should start at your local police department.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 9:56 PM
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    If Governor Rick Scott,(a.k.a. Skeletor) wants to blame someone for mass shootings in his state, he should look in the mirror.


    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 10:37 PM
  • In australia, they've just turned to other methods of killing,such as arson


    Can't speak for everyone, but given the choice of burning or a bullet, I'll take the bullet every time.

    I guess for liberals, the indignity of being a gun murder statistic would burn at them worse.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 11:37 PM
  • There should be a law or a procedure that spells out that a report of such warnings of death be turned into the police.

    Then the police should investigate and confiscate any weapons while the person is investigated by authorities.

    A “head-honcho” should be required to sign off on giving them back so her/his head will roll if they did a poor job.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 17, 2018, at 11:58 PM
  • Families of slaughtered kids go to funerals in Florida 50 miles away from Dump while he plays golf at Mar-a-largo and tweets like an idiot.smh

    Guns mean more to some in Florida than their kids as they sell AR-15's at gun show near tragedy as parents bury their children.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 1:28 AM
  • Because thinking people know it's not a gun problem its a morality problem.

    People spout off about AR-15s because the talking heads told them to. The AR-15 has been around since 1956, if it was truly the problem, why did it take so long to surface?

    Not very long ago, seeing guns in the back window of trucks was a pretty common sight. Kids kept guns in their cars and trucks at school to go hunting in the afternoon. They weren't doing mass shootings then.

    Again, if liberals are dead set on blaming something besides the shooter, look at the moral breakdown of society or maybe the fact that every teen school shooter has been on psychotropic drugs, which have known side effects of suicidal/homicidal ideations.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 5:38 AM
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    Wow Mikey, you're really grasping at straws now. Arson homicides??

    The first sentence in your article stated that they're considered "rare".

    But you're saying if we take away these mass murderers weapon of choice, the AR-15, that they will just start burning people in mass numbers instead?

    So how would that have worked in Las Vegas where the shooter fired over 1,100 rounds from his hotel window killing 58 people and wounding over 800.

    Maybe instead he could have shot bottle rockets?

    If taking away AR-15's makes it harder for these crazy people to carry out mass murders and they now have to get creative...I'm all for it.

    Because right now, it's way too easy for them.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 6:00 AM
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    Steve, let me see I've got this right about your idea, and correct me if I'm wrong.

    You're saying that we go ahead and let these crazy gun-nuts buy as many high powered weapons as they want.

    And then we wait and hope that someone,(a friend, neighbor, family member) calls and reports him before he slaughters a few dozen people.

    And this is better than him never having access to the weapons in the first place?

    If gun owners are worried about their rights being infringed, I see this being a problem there too.

    Anyone could make an anonymous call to authorities and say..."Well, I'm worried about Steve. I personally think he's unstable and could be a threat to the community or himself. And he has guns."

    So the police come to your house and confiscate your guns and investigate you.

    This is how we stop mass shootings?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 6:30 AM
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    Let me ask one question of all of you here.

    Why couldn't we try just two things to start off with...

    1) Universal background checks


    2) A ban on "assault weapons"(military style, AR-15's, whatever you want to call them), and high capacity ammo clips.

    Please answer why we couldn't try these two things.

    And don't just generalize and say "It won't work" or "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

    These are steps that have been taken in places like Australia and have proven to work there.

    Be specific. Why would you be opposed to universal background checks?

    And why would you be opposed to a ban on AR-15's and high capacity clips.

    Would not having the right to own an AR-15 effect your quality of life so much that it outweighs the possibility of saving the lives of innocent school children?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 7:15 AM
  • First RV, I did not say that my one comment was a total solution, so you are right. YOU ARE WRONG. To understand creative thoughts one must be willing to read/listen without ridicule in their heart from the start.

    Simply saying someone is crazy and has guns is not enough to cause a person to be investigated. It is that simple to some who wish to criticize though.

    I was pointing out that this person in Florida publicly stated his desire to kill and a reasonable check using the laws we have on the books would have shown he was a threat. THEN action should be taken.

    This was a pretty easy conclusion that the most sane folk would agree. Did that somehow translate to you that I thought this was a generalized statement for all the world’s problems? Maybe that is where the problem lies in finding a solution. Some want a “one size fits all” answer.

    Quiet Mike made a statement in his last paragraph above that makes a good summation. The moral decay of our society, but that has many facets so please do not try to put words in my mouth that summarize that. I wish it were that simple.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 7:57 AM
  • I have seen the reference to the Australian gun laws being the cause of reduced gun violence many times. The fact that there were stricter gun laws passed and a reduction in violence does not mean the cause and effect relationship exists between the two.

    If it is truly the gun laws that are the cause, then you would see the exact same cause and effect relationship in other countries that enact similar laws. Additionally, we would see the opposite effect in countries that have more lenient gun laws. New Zealand, Honduras, and Switzerland come to mind.

    A reduction in Australian gun incidents makes an excellent talking point for gun control agendas. But, the cause and effect does not hold up to scrutiny across other similar or opposing scenarios.

    So obviously there are other factors at play. I would suspect the culture and morality of the people being the primary cause.

    Media reporting and agenda driven political talking points rarely report a balanced unbiased view. Case in point, the media reports 18 school shootings this year, many of which involve a single bullet discharge and no causalities. But, they don't tell us that, because it doesn't fit the mass shooting narrative.

    Why does anyone need an AR15? I personally have used one numerous times for Coyote/predator hunting and target shooting, although I don't own one. Being able to immediately fire additional rounds is beneficial in those scenarios. I have also fired the M16, M60, and BMG during my Military years. The latter are weapons made for the sole purpose of killing people, and are illegal to own.

    I think the effective solutions to securing the school shooting incidents have already been brought to light, with the exception of a return to a more God-fearing society.

    Knowing how these blogs generally disintegrate into hate filled LBR type comments, this will most likely be my last comment on this thread.

    Be blessed!

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 8:46 AM
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    "I was pointing out that this person in Florida publicly stated his desire to kill and a reasonable check using the laws we have on the books would have shown he was a threat. THEN action should be taken".

    - Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 7:57

    Steve, the "laws on the books" would not, and did not, stop the Florida shooter,or the Las Vegas shooter, or any of the other killers from purchasing an AR-15.

    And we're still only relying on tips or public threats to hopefully prevent the person from committing a mass shooting after he's already acquired a stockpile of dangerous weapons.

    My point is, and the question I asked in my last post...wouldn't it be a better idea to keep these weapons out of their hands in the first place?

    Would you be opposed to universal background checks?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 9:19 AM
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    Liveforlight, Australia had some horrible mass shootings like we're experiencing here. They enacted some strict gun reform laws 20 years ago and never had another one.

    I suppose you could argue "coincidence".

    But as opposed to doing nothing, at this point, would it maybe be a could idea to at least give it a try?

    You yourself said that the main advantage of the AR-15 is "being able to immediately fire additional rounds" when shooting coyotes.

    Additionally, this is the same reason these killers are using them for mass shootings. To quickly inflict as much carnage as possible.

    If banning these weapons could possibly save some lives, would you be willing to try killing coyotes with your shotgun?

    Maybe if you go to the shooting range and practice up a bit, you might not even need a machine gun to kill a coyote.

    I know you said that you probably wouldn't comment again on this blog, but I would have liked for you to answer the two questions I posed...

    Would you be opposed to universal background checks? Why?

    Would you be opposed to an assault weapons ban? Why? (I know, the coyotes thing. But is that it?)

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 9:53 AM
  • I would not be opposed to a universal background check IF it was well thought out and applied fairly. Getting the majority to agree to what is a good background check is another matter.

    Here are some suggestions for a starting point and it is NOT with legislators. PLEASE, it is just a suggested starting ooint NOT an all inclusive, well thought out statement. I would probably start with law enforcement. After they have gleaned the best of their suggestions with a critical eye, the psychoanalysts (not to make changes, only suggestions), then back to law enforcement).

    Then legal analysts could review but instead of paralyzing the background check, do it with the goal of modifying our existing laws to adjust for it as much as possible. This would reduce burdening an already overloaded court system and stop the use of ridiculous “techincalities”.

    This would probably be impossible if put in the hands of many, so each basic group would have to be reduced quickly.

    Maybe each state would have a law enforcement conference and submit an outline to a National gathering. The National would get a psych review board, legal review (maybe by the Supreme Court?), then public comment.

    THEN the thresholds of “negative” information would have to be established by police and psych. What would constitue a refusal to allow purchase?

    What suggestion would others have for developing an acceptable, universal program?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 10:29 AM
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    If anyone hasn't already seen this, please take a few minutes and listen to one of the students from the Florida high school speaking out about the shooting. Pretty powerful.


    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 10:34 AM
  • Ok, I'll answer your questions. But you have to understand you are applying gun control agenda terms that can be translated in different ways to mean different things. A similar argument can be made for automobiles capable of driving faster the 70mph (highest speed limit).

    1.)What is the definition of "universal background checks"?

    If you mean everyone has to have background check/approval before buying a gun, then it is my understanding that that is already in place. At least every time I have bought a gun it was done. So, I support that.

    2.) Assault weapons ban: Again, the definition is key. An AR15 type rifle is NOT what I would consider an assault weapon. M16, M60, BMG, as used by the military are assault weapons and already banned for public use.

    Your assertion that I need more practice so that I don't need a "machine gun" is obviously a sarcastic attack intended to incite an emotional response. That tactic is what causes liberal ideologies to lose every argument as logic is thrown out for emotion.

    While I am in full support of regular practice, using an AR15 to practice with is not an option for me. Because again, as I already said, I don't own one. So, any practice time I get is limited to my friends time and ammunition supply. I would not be in favor of banning a weapon which he uses, enjoys, and allows me to use responsibly.

    There is one other issue I think should be addressed with the violence and that is video games. The violence and high quality graphics in this games can easily affect the minds of those playing them. Those games instill a coldness into weak minds that it should be easy to see affect their perception of reality.

    I answered your questions: Here are mine.

    1.)Would you be in support of security fences around schools?

    2.) Gated/guarded security entrances around schools?

    3.)Teaching a higher morality (God) in schools (again)?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 10:46 AM
  • Nice link, RV. Quite emotional. I particularly like the part where she said to stop blaming the victims for the fault of the shooter. She kinda understands personal responsibility.

    I have no problem with background checks and not selling guns to crazies, as long as innocent people don't get caught up in the mess like with the no fly list. I understand that rights are linked to responsibilities. Given that, I wonder what part of "shall not be infringed" you don't understand. And a little off topic, it is kinda cute the way you keep calling AKs and ARs "machine guns".

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 10:56 AM
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    Liveforlight, the definition of a Universal background check would be that ALL firearms sales require the buyer to undergo a background check thats recorded thru the N.I.C.S.

    This includes private sales and gifts.

    Right now that only happens in 9 states. Tennessee is not one of them.

    In most states only licensed gun sellers are required to perform background checks. A 2017 study estimated that 42% of US gun owners acquired their most recent firearm without a background check.

    In the few states that have universal background checks, private sales have to be done in the presence of a licensed dealer, such as at a gun store, or in some states law enforcement.

    Would you support that?

    Now I agree the definition of an "assault rifle" can get tricky.

    But I would include the AR-15 into that category for several reasons.

    Even thou it's originally designed to only fire 30-45 rounds a minute a minute. It's easily adapted with bump stocks or binary triggers(that are also perfectly legal) that make it capable of emptying a 30 round clip in about 4 seconds. That's why when I refer to them as "machine guns", fairshare and Mikey might find the term "cute" or "histrionic", but I find term to be accurate.

    A 100 round drum/clip is also available for the AR-15.

    I would include the AR-15 and the high capacity clips in the "assault weapons" ban.

    To answer your questions. I think fences around schools to help with security is a good idea.

    Even gated/guarded security entrances could be feasible.

    But I'm still in favor of separation of church and state.

    A course on theology would be fine for kids to learn the origins of all the different religions. But to force one religion specifically on all kids in school wouldn't be fair.

    Go to church on Sunday and pray to your God. But don't force your faith onto others.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 1:01 PM
  • Bingo on video games! Anyone done a study to see the correlation between the rise of these games and mass murders? Have the past mass murderers played violent games.

    While I am thinking about it, there seems to have been some studies that correlate animal killing, and animal torture to serial killers. I noticed the FL monster bragged about this on social media. ANOTHER RED FLAG ignored.

    I have always assumed (I know about assuming) that most religions shared many basic precepts about living in society. There are a number of comparisons out there but I have not browsed all of them. Anyone know a good site to check?

    Maybe the common denominators could be taught, in place of any select religion. I am pretty sure those similarities would cover many of the key concepts of right/wrong, family, community, etc.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 1:46 PM
  • The admuttedy"tricky" definitions are the problem, especially when zero effort is made to solve the problem.

    Assault weapons is a buzzword used by people who don't know anything about guns to elicit an emotional response in others who don't know anything about guns.

    I'd love to see that "study" that shows 42% of new guns were aquired without a background check, especially considering there is zero way to track such sales.

    I've asked this before with no answer. For the sake if argument, let's say all AR-15s are banned (to avoid the morass of defining assault weapons). How do you get them?

    Do we also do away with the 4th amendment and conduct house to house searches to let dems continue to avoid personal responsibility?

    How many AR-15s are in the US right now? If you don't have an absolute number, how do you know you've gotten them all?

    Further, let's assume you were able to confiscate every AR-15. What's to stop the Sinaloa cartel from sending over more with their next shipment of dope?

    How do you stop the hundreds of thousands of machinists in the US from making one?

    The simple FACT is that banning items has never and can never work.

    It didn't work with prohibition. It isn't working with drugs.

    The foolishness of calling for a gun ban while were are in an "opioid crisis", when opioids have been completely regulated in this country since the 1930s,is beyond absurd, and shows the gun control argument is not logically based.

    Further, how many school shootings happened prior to the 1990s? There were isolated incidents, sure, but they really didn't become part of the national consciousness until Patrick Purdy shot up Stockton.

    Two notable things happened in the 90s. The feds made schools gun free zones with zero tolerance, and SSRI drugs were released. Since then every school shooter has enjoyed defenseless targets and all of them have been on SSRI drugs (no word yet on the nameless Florida shooter, but I'll put money on it).

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 1:56 PM
  • I think video games should be a definite target for scrutiny.

    We seem to agree that increased security is a good idea. Surely the cost is negligible as most schools with a stadiums already have a fence to make sure no one skips paying the ticket price.

    I would suggest that labor be provided by those already drawing pay through public assistance programs.

    The money for supplies could be diverted from the (political) border wall to school security. Surely, both parties can support that.

    If we can reach, a consensus about non-political effective coutermeasures in a few blog posts, then surely paid professionals could do the same in a matter of minutes. If not, then I would say they put politics before the people and should be removed from power.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 2:04 PM
  • Many anti-depressants are used for other illnesses like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue with apparent great success. Personally, I can not tolerate them. They make me depressed. Go figure. :-/

    There is also good success using cannabinoids. A friend of mine who always hated MJ finally broke down and tried CBD at his doctor's suggestion. He was highly impressed and never felt any "fuzziness" that others describe with regular MJ.

    Come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing an angry person who was high on MJ and I grew up during the hippy revolution. I might not get in between them and their snacks, but .....

    So... decriminalize MJ, put a dent in the opioid epidemic, and all we save on enforcement can be put to street drugs, and school safety. Of course, the drug cartels and those who are controlled by them might argue that.

    PLUS, look at all the taxes our lawmakers could get from an MJ tax? That might get their approval. But then again, it is not fashionable for lawmakers to agree with each other. Bad for their reputation.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 2:55 PM
  • Steve,

    I'm for legalizing all drugs as banning items has never worked. I only used drugs as an example to illustrate that point.

    Making something illegal immediately creates a black market for that item.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 2:58 PM
  • Steve, do you know how a stoner and a drunk deal differently with a stop sign? A drunk will run right thru it. A stoner will sit there patiently waiting for it to turn green.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 3:17 PM
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    Some new information on the Florida shooter. If there was any doubt about him having racist tendencies or "white supremacist ideals", please read.



    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 6:33 PM
  • RV, I dont know the relevance of your last post.

    If you're saying the people who try to dehumanize subgroups of people such as blacks, jews, and unborn babies, to justify killing them are crazy and should be removed from society, you'll get no argument from me.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 18, 2018, at 8:02 PM
  • I read most of your comments and come to the conclusion that most of the problem is with the Trump cap MAGA! Congress should immediately ban the wearing of the Red Trump hat because it makes the dems go crazy. One thing is for sure- congress can never ban arms.

    Let me site you idiots the law:

    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    Now where does it say "anyone can keep and bear arms"?

    It is the right of the (PEOPLE) to keep and bare arms. This was written long before the black slaves were freed and given a United States Corporation Citizenship. Every person who is a 14th amendment citizen is not a man or woman! They are persons or a straw man and straw woman because their existence was given to them by the US Gov. and their civil rights can be taken away any time the Gov wants to.

    14th Amendment Citizens do NOT have Unalienable Rights like the "People" (white people) have. That is just the way it is!

    Congress can make any laws it wants to to govern their US Citizens because they don't have Sovereign Rights. They have Civil Privileges! Can someone tell me where the Civil Rights Act says U.S. Citizens (Federal Citizens) have a right to keep and bare arms? They is no constitutional right to keep and bare arms, only the PEOPLE.

    So! Congress can make any laws it wants to in order to regulate guns in the possession or the buying of guns for these Federal Citizens.


    However congress must legislate accord to the U.S. Constitution when making laws for the Sovereign PEOPLE. Therefore they can never remove the guns from the PEOPLE. They can only ask and hope they will surrender them or take them when involved in a crime.

    The Sovereign People can keep and bare arms (without registering them legally), wear red MAGA Trump caps because that is their right of free speech.

    Now, just what laws can congress pass to control the issuing of gun permits for the strawman and strawwoman that would prevent gun violence and senseless killings? I can't think of any that they don't already have on the books.

    There are so many conditions that whoever it is that is suppose to read and investigate the person wanting to buy a gun just doesn't have the time or knowledge to do it.

    I personally feel like the FBI Agent who didn't notify the Miami Office should be arrested and charged with accessory to mass Murder of innocent unarmed minor children. That would sure eliminate some shooting in the future.

    For some weird reason, the Democrats want to enforce Gun control laws or better yet remove all guns from the people. Here's an Idea! Why don't the idiot Democrats give their guns to the government to get the ball rolling instead of complaining about the Republicans wanting more guns.

    I guess the democrats are worried the Republicans would buy them all up from TPOTUS.

    While I am thinking about it, I saw Obama pretending to cry after the school shooting, but I didn't see any tears at all. I only saw him put his finger in his eye like the idiot he was and is. He was all for gun control, but never done anything about it while he was Giving Away all that US Money.

    Doesn't that seem strange to anyone? Maybe there is a law that tells congress they can't take the arms away from the PEOPLE, and he didn't dare tell the Federal Citizens "YOU DON"T HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS!"

    Australia doesn't have Democratic idiots telling the Republicans they aren't doing anything right. They are a closer country that isn't divided by Obama's crimes and disruptions like America is today. Obama made a mess of everything and it will take years to straighten it up again. Obama spent 10 Trillion Dollars and congress is afraid to give Trump $25 Billion for infastructure repairs and the Wall. Even state and federal judges are running the country over top of TPOTUS.

    Trump needs to look at congress and tell them that the House of Representatives need to come up with an Immigration Law that deals with the illegal aliens and all those Dacca babies the dems are worried about and send it over to the Senate for approval because Trump can not make the laws on immigration, only congress can.

    While Trump is at it, he needs to tell his lawyers that the Memo was all lies created by a spy and paid for by Hillary Rotten Clinton with the Millions she lost and had no idea where it went, is nothing but lies and deceit making it Fraudulent. Fraud violates everything it touches, so every person and sheet of paper that is being investigated is VOID by Fraud making the collusion with Russia case VOID Also and everything about it. I just don't understand how the justice department can be so stupid about the laws they are suppose to uphold and enforce.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 2:04 AM
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    It is noteworthy that the red Trump M.A.G.A. hat is the preferred attire of white supremacists, Klan members, and mass murderers.

    That should tell you something.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 6:42 AM
  • It is also in the wardrobe of many mainstream decent patriots. It is a crying shame so many in this country don't want it to be great.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 7:29 AM
  • I see that sui finally weighted in; I was wondering if that was going to happen.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 8:08 AM
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    Fair, when you find yourself marching alongside white supremacists and sharing the ideals of racists and murderers, you might want to re-evaluate your definition of "patriotism".

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 8:20 AM
  • Sui I think the local police is to blame also since they knew this person's violent history and did nothing.Why didn't they notify the FBI?

    Now we have students acting like leaders and leaders acting like students.We see that from Dump's off the rail twitter fit this weekend,there must have been no adults present.I have never seen a president call out private citizens in public like this before..Obama and his family handled insults with class and was called everything from a monkey to a terrorist to the N word and he never said a word in response.That is being an adult.

    Some of these kids that dodged all those bullets are going to the WH,lets see if Dump face them or hide from them again.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 9:49 AM
  • RV, I know it is hard for you to understand, but just because I think my life matters just as much as anyone else's doesn't make me a racist or white supremacist. And just because I believe in A2 and own guns doesn't make me a murderer or mean that I share their ideals. I understand this is a hard concept for you to grasp but I'll bet you could if you tried. I'm sure most second graders could.

    I would like to take this opportunity to wish President Trump (my President, your President, everyone's President) a very Happy President's Day.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 1:04 PM
  • Maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't recall LBR or RV blaming Obama after any of the mass shootings that happened under his watch.

    Similar to schools, the white house and congress are gun free zones. If they work, then that should be the end of it.

    But our elected representatives refuse to live under the same standards they impose on the rest of us

    They employ armed security, and a massive amount of it, instead of relying on signage.

    Everywhere in the US, except schools, where something valuable is being protected, you'll find armed security, and the number of armed people you'll find is proportional to the value of what is being protected.

    So, I guess, despite their rhetoric, RV and LBR think Trump, one single person, is more valuable than all the school children in the US

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 1:54 PM
  • Let me start off with a local headline story in T-G.com: "Andrew Phillip Marshall has escaped Bedford County Jail again. It's the fifth escape from a jail facility and the second in two months for Marshall, who is believed to have used one of his previous routes -- out the ceiling -- early Monday, Sheriff Austin Swing said..."

    This one long sentence proves just how incompetent our Security Systems and people are in our country. nuff said!


    Just how many White Supremacists, Klan members and mass murders do you personally know? That is a pretty big story you are claiming as gospel? And how many of them that you know own a Trump MAGA cap?

    What that tells me is... you are just a blow hard trying to make sense of being a democrat and Anti-fascist.

    fair share

    Only the Democrats don't want America to be Great again after their obama leader destroyed the good name of America and divided the people.


    You knew I would speak out when something came up that needed to be said.


    White Supremacists; How many blacks and Brown people belong to this White Supremacist organization? All WHITE? How many organizations can do that? There is always someone who can't stand to be left out and protests their rights being denied. That in itself is white supremacist.

    The white people have Unalienable rights! The Black, Brown and all 14th Amendment Citizens only have Civil Privileges. You tell me, Who is the Privilege class of people?

    We have Sovereign white people who created the governments and we have a class of straw persons with a U.S. Citizenship that was created by the Federal government and State governments. Equal - I don't think so!

    Racists; The Blacks and Brown people are racist against the white people BECAUSE of something done to their ancestors years and years ago. Their ancestors fought for their freedom After they were freed. MLK a good man gave his life to help the black people and look at how they turned out. Rioting, burning, looting their own home towns over their hatred and racists ideas.

    KKK; how many Klansmen burn crosses in the front yard of black people? How many blacks are hung from a tree because they are black? Those things don't happen today.

    Murderers; We all know the murderers. They are people who live next door or down the street or related to... They just fly off the handle and commit murder. Some intentionally and some unintentionally.

    Take the road rage event the other day. A man got out of his car to raise hell with the woman behind him in a truck. After cussing each other out he spits on the woman and drives off. She drives her truck over the top of the car and flips her truck over on its side.

    I am sure she wanted to kill the man who spit on her but didn't really have any intentions of murdering him. She could have killed him when she was only going to ram his car but climbed on top of it before flipping over, which could have killed her when it flipped over on its side.

    Most murders are premeditated murder by people who hate someone, afraid they will reveal something about them that would put them in prison or want to get even with them. Some are just out of fear of losing their life.

    Who are they? We don't know who until they snap and actually do it. They can't be put in a class of their own until they commit the crime and we now why!

    As far as being a Patriot, that could be a very bad thing (according to the Government).

    Marching alongside of white supremacists; One day you may get the opportunity to march alongside of me. How will you react to what I say when I would be speaking just like anyone else? I am just as nice as everyone else, I just have my own opinions about everything because I know things that most people will never know in their lifetime. I govern myself to keep out of trouble, well most of the time anyway.

    I posted this article before but let me post it again here for your White Supremacist Terrorists facts:

    72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered "Potential Terrorists" In Official Government Documents:


    lets be real;

    I agree with you. The local law enforcement should share in some of the responsibility also. However, this guy was more than likely in trouble more when he was a minor and we all know that the crimes committed by minors are not put on their record. So only crimes after he turned 18 would be on his record. His offenses would be in their records, but remember the courts dealt with him on each crime but nothing to indicate he would do what he did. So they would be putting something in there that wasn't in his record.

    We saw that in the colleges this year where the students were telling the colleges how to run their colleges and making demands for black rooms and other stupid, crazy **** , that could be taking as a sign that all of them may come back and shoot up their college, HUH?

    And YOU think this is leadership? Boy you democrats need to wake up and move on with the rest of us.

    Evidently you don't know the constitution. The job of the President is to PROTECT the PEOPLE From Invasions from other countries or people coming across our borders. The President does not have to protect our little white, black, brown ***es from anyone except at the borders of the United States of America, which all of the democrats don't want Trump to do. The Democrats do not want to stop possible terrorists from coming in on Airlines or our borders, but want Trump to stop school shooters. That would curtail Martial law which is against the Constitutions.

    That is why the PEOPLE have a right to Keep and Bare Arms. To protect yourself from other Americans who want to cause you harm or kill you.

    No where does the Constitution say we the People have a right to Bare Arms to hunt with or practice shooting at targets.

    For you idiots who think they didn't mean automatic rifles, but only meant muskets because that is what they used back then, are only showing your ignorance. They specifically used the word "ARMS" because these forefathers knew technology would advance and needed a word to make it plain to everyone. They did great with the word ARMS! Back then many people didn't have muskets and armed themselves with whatever they had, like pitch forks and grass swing blades etc., So they decided to use the word Arms! Arm yourself with anything available to you, a club or an AR-15.

    On the school shooting;

    You have to remember the class mates treated Cruz like he had Leprosy. It may be true that he was unfriendly and Obnoxious and maybe hateful, even a bully, I don't know. But he wanted to get even with them for the way they treated him. I think that was the main reason for his actions, so those kids need to put some of the blame back on themselves.

    It is a shame and shouldn't happen, but it did. And like I said before, It will continue to happen because the people are divided and won't let Trump unify the country and bring the people together again. It isn't all trump! We have to do our part and become friends with each other again.

    Obama what?

    That wasn't being Adult! That was dodging the Questions and demands. Barack Husein Obama and Hillary Rotten Clinton are good at that.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 3:09 PM
  • "Most murders are premeditated murder by people who hate someone"

    Posted by sui

    Right you are, sui. And since the dems and liberal left are based on hate for America and conservatives, maybe we should start with banning them from having guns. If we had that in place the past several decades, we could have avoided all or nearly all the mass shooting incidents. That is, if a ban would work.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 4:13 PM
  • Your right. Like I said, if the democrats are so against the right to keep and bare ARMS, why haven't they turned their guns in to the government? I know why! They can't think for themselves. They have no idea what is going on around them. They only want to accuse the right of being wrong, no matter what it is. Doesn't that raise a red flag? Oh, I forgot, most government employees are democrats or will soon be.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 4:38 PM
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    Sui, just out of curiosity...are you a gun owner?

    Do you have a conceal/carry permit?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 6:38 PM
  • Sui just out of curiosity what do you think about Trump golfing today,after he lied that he wouldn't,while 2 kids funerals occured today a few miles from him?This man has no shame or compassion for anyone.His own wife walks a yard away from him and rides in different cars.I am just waiting for conservatives to start bashing these kids that had to run for their lives.

    Looks like Dump may have to run the WH alone since none of them can get security clearance including Kushner and Ivanka.The WH is in chaos.

    Sui nothing Dump tweeted this weekend united the country he blamed everyone for Russian indictments except Russia,even his own man McMaster.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 8:44 PM
  • LBR,

    Since you can't stay on topic because of your TDS, did you read the Russian idictments where they said there was no collusion?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 9:04 PM
  • Here is one thing I can't figure out about the left. How can they spend the last few years calling Trump Hitler and now be all hot and heavy wanting him to confiscate guns, like Hitler did. Maybe it has something to do with their lack of knowledge of history, lack of understanding, and lack of common sense. Maybe it is just due to their blinding hate. At least we can be thankful they don't read the Bible. If they knew about Cain and Abel they would want all the rocks confiscated.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 9:42 PM
  • Rocket Valentine

    People are supreme, not the state. See: Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah , 60 Georgia at 93.


    I was told in the Military that my gun was my ***** and my rifle was my weapon, so of course I own a gun.

    No, Rocket, I do not have a conceal/carry permit. I have no reason to get one. I have a right to keep and bare arms, so no license is required of me.

    That would be a permit fee or a tax or charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution and that is against the law for the state and the United States to do.


    Murdock v Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105, at 113

    "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs Arizona, 384 U.S.436 p. 491


    The State can not take away my right to keep and bare arms in exchange for the lesser Civil privilege that would require me to get a gun permit.

    "If the state converts a liberty into a privilege the citizen can engage in the right with impunity" Shuttlesworth v Birmingham , 373 USs 262

    "We find it intolerable that one constitutional right should have to be surrendered in order to assert another."

    Simmons v. US, 390 US 389 (1968)


    No action can be taken against a sovereign in the non-constitutional courts of either the United States or the State courts and any such action is considered the crime of Barratry. Barratry is an offense at common law.” State vs. Batson 17 S.E.2d 511. 512,513.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Feb 19, 2018, at 11:36 PM
  • Quite I see you interpret like Dump.That was just on the social media phase,that has NOTHING to do with the hacked emails like the ones that Jr knowingly meet with Russians "to get dirt on Hillary".Have you not ever wondered why Dump slams everybody but Putin and Russia? Dump is an advocate for a president of another country against the United States.What ever Putin has on him will come out and it must be big.The way it looks now,with women coming forward after being paid to keep quite about affairs, it could be sexual misconduct as in the dossier or he is in debt up to his eyeballs to Putin.

    Dump tweeted "Moscow is laughing their a** of". They are laughing at his weakness and insecurity he shows in his tweets.Conservatives excuse Trumps vulgar language and scandals but can not forgive Obama for wearing a tan suit or placing his feet on a desk.No other president has degraded the office of president as Dump.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 12:13 AM
  • Frankly, my dear, I don't give a ****!

    Trump is Trump and he has to live his life not me. Obama spent a lot of time on the golf courses during killing sprees if you remember. You seem to remember everything Trump ever did in his life. You must have been around Trump knowing as much as you do about him or your in love with him and can't get enough information on him and his life and wife. Maybe we should look at that as a red flag for Trump's security team to look into.

    The families aren't too happy with Trump right now and think he should have been able to prevent it from happening at their school and demand that he prevents it from happening at any other school. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

    The school students are suppose to meet with Trump this weekend I think to scream and cry with him. Their is an organization that is scheduled to rally on March 2 and sometime in April to have a sit out and not go to school for the whole day.

    Trump visited the wounded students at the hospital and talked to them and listened to what they had to say. That's about all anyone can do. I doubt he would have been welcomed at the funerals because the democrats have even blamed Trump for the school shooting.

    Here is what I was telling you earlier:

    It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.


    Trump can't do anything either because he is Federal as the President and can only use executive orders that judges seem to be able to block.

    Well Trump may not have to run the WH by himself. I saw where Gen Flynn had his Attorneys get a judge to send a Brady Order over to Mueller and his gang of democrats ordering the prosecuting attorney to send every piece of information they have on Flynn including the information that proves he didn't lie and any thing else that would help prove Flynn.s innocence that they have. This should produce all kind of information about the warrants and who colluded with who. It's fixing to hit the fan. Anyway Gen. Flynn will withdraw his statement that he Lied to the FBI. They have to send this stuff in the discovery or be in violation of the Brady Rule which could dismiss the case.

    As far as Trump colluding with Russia, there is no proof and everything was lies written by a Spy. That makes everything Fraudulent:

    "Fraud destroys the validity of everything into which it enters,"

    Nudd v. Burrows, 91 U.S 426.

    "Fraud vitiates everything."

    Boyce v. Grundy, 3 Pet. 210

    "Fraud vitiates the most solemn contracts, documents and even judgments."

    U.S. v. Throckmorton, 98 US 61

    Just out of curiosity, I think all those tweets brought a whole lot of people together to read his tweets and discuss them. Trump knows how to get people's attention.

    Haven't you learned yet that all those lies Trump tells turn out to be true?

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 12:16 AM
  • lets be real

    Are you that lame? It is you Democrats who have degraded Trump our Sitting President. Even Obama the Traitor to this country was never degraded like you dems have degraded Trump. The truth is you Dems are the ones who Putin is laughing at. You have made total a**es out of yourselves and made America look bad in the eyes of the world. Trump will make America Great Again but it won't be by any help of the Democrats. You are dividing the people just like Obama done. You yell Racist at everything anyone says. You're all Anti-fascist.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 12:26 AM
  • LBR,

    I was hoping after your dismal showing in the other blog, you'd try a more intelligent tack, but...

    Russians staged anti-Trump rallies, one of which was attended by Michael Moore.


    Think about this, why would Russia stage an anti-Trump rally if Trump was their guy? Hillary had already sold them billions in uranium. Obama had already told the Russians he'd be more flexible after the elections. Obama even told Romney, Russia was no longer a threat.

    Why would Russia throw away the useful idiots of the democrat party, who were already bending over for Russia like a drunken game of Twister?

    As for Trump not "slamming Russia" again, youd do well to stop listening only to other idiot democrats.



    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 2:37 AM
  • Anyone want to pick rocks, I have a place.😜

    The reference to weapon and gun brought back the 70’s Sui. I’ve forgotten if the weapon was for “shooting” “fighting” or something else. (Maybe a mental block). I remember what the gun rhymed with. 🤪

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 7:22 AM
  • LBR, I choose not to be encited by most of your comments but I am curious (not to deflect anything in particular) do you really believe the “other side” (in this case Democrats) are not involved in the very same things you accuse Trump?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 7:27 AM
  • Unreal,

    The reason the Ruskies are laughing their *sses off is cause you and your buddies are doing exactly what they want. You people are providing aid and comfort to the enemy. You should be proud of yourselves for accomplishing something in this life. (Best read with sarcastic accent.)

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 8:46 AM
  • Drunken Twister sounds like fun, but I'd need to find some different people to play with. 😉

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 8:48 AM
  • It's been a long time since I have been on these blogs but I have thoroughly enjoyed reading these comments; Especially from those who gave me such a hard time about my dislike of Obama a few years ago but have actually seen the truth about him now.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 8:32 PM
  • There is one question I would like to ask about school security that maybe someone knows the answer to:Why do classroom doors only lock from outside the door with a key? Wouldn't it be safer if the teacher could lock their classroom door from the inside to prevent someone from entering the room? I'm sure there is some reasoning behind not having inside door locks but I sure can not think of a good reason!

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 8:45 PM
  • I did a quick search on this Dianatn and did not find anything that implies school doors should have just one side. Is this something you just saw in Bedford County or other schools?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 9:17 PM
  • Bedford County not sure about other counties

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 9:36 PM
  • Sui Trump needs no help degrading himself.Children in America are not safe in school and he is tweeting about Oprah.

    Six people high in Trumps cabinet are under investigation by Ethics Committee.This tell me he did not "pick the best people".His advisor to foreign affairs,Kushner,can't even get security clearance.

    Trump has done nothing about Russia meddling in our election.He continues to lie that he did more than Obama,what.He continues to hold off on sanctions for Russia.Obama sanctioned them and expelled them from the Russian compound here,

    Mueller probe has 4th guilty plea now.Keep up the good work Mueller.Flynn pleaded guilty Sui stop dreaming and watching Fix news.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 9:38 PM
  • RV, just out of curiosity, do you own a gun? I don't know if you have a family or if you give a flip about protecting them. But just in case you do, there is an important fact to keep in mind. 9mm gets there a lot quicker than 911.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 11:28 PM
  • Still waiting for an answer from RV or LBR (or anyone else)

    If the availability of "assault weapons" is the problem, why did mass school shootings only enter the American consciousness in 1989 when Patrick Purdy shot up a Stockton schoolyard?

    The AR-15 was invented in 1956, the AK-47 in 1947 and the SKS in 1943.

    If it were those "evil military style high power assault rifles" fault, how did we go several decades without a school shooting with them?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 1:20 AM
  • On School Security I saw a video of what an Indiana school has done for school security which is great It may be a bit over the top for a small county like us but some of the things in this video can be done with little cost.

    Here's the video it's worth the watch


    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 9:38 AM
  • Dianatn,

    Good video, and some interesting ideas.

    I wonder if those locked down doors can be overridden by pulling a fire alarm, like Cruz did in Florida?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 11:35 AM
  • I don't know Mike about the lock down doors but I do think a good place for us to start is installing locks on the doors that a teacher can at the very least manually lock to secure their classroom from the inside.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 11:43 AM
  • *

    I don't believe that turning our schools into maximum security, militarized fortresses that resemble prisons rather than schools is the answer.

    As long military style, high capacity, assault weapons are readily available to any average citizen, and background checks aren't required, these mass killings will keep happening.

    Not just at schools, but at churches, shopping malls, concerts, etc.

    You can try to blame everything else.

    Other countries like Australia have kids that play violent video games.

    But they don't have these mass shootings.

    They have crazy people and drug addicts (psychotropic drugs) but again, they don't have mass shootings.

    They don't pray in schools. And don't have mass shootings.

    There's only one difference that sets us apart. One thing that stands out.

    After they had mass shootings like we have, they had major gun reform.

    They banned these military style weapons with high capacity clips.

    Now they don't have mass shootings, but we do.

    I've asked this question and can't get an answer.

    Somebody tell me why you need an AR-15?

    I know liveforlight said they're good for killing coyotes, but is that it?

    Can anyone else make the case for average citizens owning a weapon like this?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 4:12 PM
  • Because it is my right to own a gun and an AR-15 is a gun. The prob with Government regulation is and always has been if you allow the Government to take one inch of your rights they will take 10 miles. It's not that everybody has a horde of AR-15s locked away in their basement but we all know and realize when the government tries to step in we all lose more rights than we should. You just wait for the other shoe to drop and it always does.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 5:32 PM
  • *

    Yeah, I've never bought into the "slippery slope" analogy.

    It makes about as much sense as "Pot leads to heroin".

    Sensible gun laws can occur without totally abolishing the 2nd amendment.

    And a sensible gun law would to ban military style, high capacity, assault weapons.

    An Ar-15 was designed to kill mass numbers of people quickly and efficiently. That the reason it's all these mass shooters weapon of choice.

    It works.

    The other thing that would be a sensible gun law would be universal background checks on ALL gun sales.

    If we can't do some simple things like this, we can only look forward to the next mass shooting and continue to say..."oh well, that's the price of freedom".

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 7:15 PM
  • What does America have in common with other countries,MENTAL ILLINESS?

    What does other civilized countries have that America doesn't have,strict gun laws?

    Which country has the most mass shootings,America?

    Enough said.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 7:30 PM
  • Dianatn very well said and I think you are exactly right.

    Rocketvalentine is trying to over emphasize by saying:

    "I don't believe that turning our schools into maximum security, militarized fortresses that resemble prisons rather than schools is the answer."

    This is typical with liberal arguments aimed at creating an emotional response devoid of logic. Just a few posts earlier RV was in agreement that this would be an effective countermeasure. But, is sold on "THE" answer being more regulation.

    I don't know that there is any one thing that is "THE" answer. But, increased security is definitely an effective answer.

    Sadly, out of all the news cast and comments by media and politicians, none of them can seem to be talking about anything but more government, instead of more security.

    Surely, if security at schools is important enough to put in place around a football field so no one skips paying the ticket price, then they can be put in place around the entire facility so no one gets shot.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 7:35 PM
  • RV you ask what a regular citizen needs with an AR 15 isn't that like asking what a regular citizen needs with a helicopter or an airplane or even a big Humvee but yet regular citizens buy them everyday.. Do you know why? Because they want it and it is their right to do so even though they do not have a clue how to fly or even drive How many people have died in auto accidents compared to AR15 deaths...compare plane crashes to any mass shooting ... Compare smoking deaths to mass shooting deaths. So I am only to assume you are concerned about massive death from shootings because you are against guns not because of the actual deaths.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 8:32 PM
  • And don't even go there that it is to protect innocent children because abortions kill thousands of children every year. And everybody knows Liberals love abortions!

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM
  • Trumps answer to this is to arm the teachers and let everyone have an assault rifle even the mentally ill.So these teachers will have to go through training and have a gun locked in the classroom.And when the swat team shows up they wont know who the bad guy is and blow the teacher away.

    One thing I do know is that young future voters are going to change America.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Feb 21, 2018, at 10:39 PM
  • I see both RV and LBR posted, but neither one wanted to answer.

    Could it be because, once again, their positions are based on histrionics and not fact based logic?

    They're so concerned with the killings, yet where is their outrage for a regular weekend in Chicago, Baltimore, or Oakland?

    Is it because the talking heads didn't tell them to be outraged because those deaths can't be used to push a narrative?

    RV asks people to explain why they need an AR-15.

    Why does anyone need fredom of speech, freedom of religion, or the right to vote when the majority of humanity survived without them?

    That's the great thing about rights, you don't have to justify them.

    Nor do you have to give them up just because some refuse to accept responsibility, instead preferring to daydream of a fantasy utopian society.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 2:45 AM
  • *

    I did say I'm in favor of some increased security at schools. But I've even heard law enforcement say they're against teachers with guns. They don't want multiple people with guns at an active shooter situation.

    And no matter how well you secure schools it doesn't change the fact that crazy people can still easily purchase a weapon like the AR-15.

    If they don't shoot up a school, they'll shoot people at some other public place.

    Comparing assault weapons to vehicles, or cigarettes is a false comparison.

    You can't compare transportation devices or a cigarette to a weapon designed to kill mass amounts of people.

    And I asked someone to make a good case for the need to own a gun like the AR-15.

    So far, I've only heard..."because it's my right".

    That's lame.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 5:35 AM
  • RV, if protecting yourself and your family isn't a good enough reason for you, then no reason will be. But, as a few clear-headed posters have already pointed out, it is our right and we have no need to justify our exercise of it to you or anyone else. If you don't want to compare defense weapons to cigarettes or vehicles, how about we compare them to coathangers?

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 6:11 AM
  • *

    So you seriously need a military style assault weapon that can be outfitted to shoot thousands of rounds in a matter of minutes for home defense?

    You must have some serious enemies.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 6:54 AM
  • Not that it applies in the current government environment (except maybe the deep state) but the Founders warned us and provided for us to be able to defend against the government. I don't want to be like the 1930s Germans. We already have enough of those types around. I don't mean this to be offensive, RV, but if the jackboot fits, wear it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 7:46 AM
  • RV I just do not understand why "It's my right to own any legal gun" is not enough of an answer for you. Not one person owes you an explaination for owing a gun. My gun has not tried to kill one person the entire time I have owned it. Try blaming the person behind the gun instead of the gun.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 9:01 AM
  • Many enjoy testing their skills, be it bowling, bow & arrow, throwing knives or axes or shooting weapons. If you happen to love a particular sport, you tend to collect those things. Some people love chess and collect chess sets, bottle caps. whatever.

    A shooting enthusiast loves the feel of a well made weapon or the different characteristics, not just how fast it can shoot. Yes, there are some who like that. I used to work for a man who was a registered collector and seller of full automated weapons. He had them from back to the Gatling gun.

    Then there are folks who are concerned about a financial collapse and feel the pressure of those wanting what they have, which could be as basic as food. Steal the food and you hurt the family. Threaten the well being of the family and they will take appropriate action.

    While I don't believe we are at the stage (yet), there are some that believe they will need to protect themselves from the government. Mention registration of ALL firearms is like a call to battle. My father would have been one of those who echoed Charleston Heston, "from my cold, dead hands".

    Coyotes are wily and quick. (I know, I grew up with Wily Coyote) Chances are you will not get a third shot at one, but for someone who the chance, they would really long for more than three shots.

    Are these explanations of why someone might want a semi-automatic weapon? I don't own but, but can't say I would throw one away if I had it. I probably would not target practice much since I am sure the ammo is expensive (at least to me)

    I priced 22 LRs a few months ago and was SHOCKED. We used to load shotgun, pistol and rifle shells, but 22 was so cheap, it wasn't a consideration. I don't know if they do such a thing, but if I was going to do much target practice, I would certainly look at it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 9:25 AM
  • An additional thought about rapid fire, semi-automatic weapons. If I WAS defending my home/family and had a semi-auto, I would let someone know I had that weapon by emptying a clip toward them. A smart person would take notice and might decide to go elsewhere, without anyone ever having to be hit.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 9:30 AM
  • Now a comment about a news report I heard today regarding a young woman who reported a "semi-friend" who texted about shooting up a school he once attended. The first thing I thought was why do we need to know the name of the suspect? He was arrested, and why, was all WE the public needed to know.

    He admitted being influenced by Columbine, which goes back to several of us who commented that the perpetrator/s do not need to be identified and in a sick way glorified. Don't give other sick minds someone to look up to, or want to "one-up". Taking away notoriety takes away one of the motivations. (Maybe not all, but...)

    The young lady was called a hero as well as the officer to whom she reported it. The officer said he just did what he was supposed to do. Kudos. The young lady said she did what she did because it was right, regardless of the fact that he was a "friend". Kudos.

    At first I thought it was a bit over-dramatic to term her a hero but as I thought about it, it took courage for her to speak out, and to let others know she had spoken out because many of her friends might criticize her for being a snitch.

    It is important to know the difference between snitching on someone because they slipped out of school or because they were threatening to do harm to others or themselves. This person (her friend) needed help as much as those that he might have been going to hurt.

    The story also pointed out to me a category of people who need to be on the "can not own a firearm" list. She met the young man at a camp for troubled, rebellious teenagers. I am not sure that would qualify as being mentally ill, BUT IT SHOULD.

    By the way, the weapons they found in the trunk of his car did not include an AR-15. Maybe they will find one as the investigation plays out, but it was not in the forefront.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 9:49 AM
  • *

    Thank you Mikey and Diana for giving an honest answer as their reason to own a AR-15.

    The answer was...because "it's my right", "its legal", and I "don't owe an explanation" or "need to justify".

    Fair enough.

    Then neither of you can ever bring up abortions again.

    Case closed on that argument.

    Steve, you're comparing gun enthusiasts/collectors with bowling and collecting bottle caps.

    I think the difference here is that mass murderers don't use bowling balls or chess pieces. They're using AR-15's.

    Now if you believe your "right" to collect or own these weapons outweighs the possibility of saving some lives,

    that is your right. For now, anyway

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 9:58 AM
  • RV actually to be honest I am a conservative with some liberal edges (meaning I do not believe everything a conservative does) I do not have a problem with abortions as long as they are not late term abortions and not used as a form of birth control. I also have no problem with Gay marriage (I do not think it is my place in life to tell people who they should love)

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 10:20 AM
  • Conservatives do not care for kids after they are born,prolife ends after the womb.They are ready to take food out of the mouths of poor kids,cut their insurance and let them die and pass laws that allow mentally ill to have guns.The number of mass killings per year doubled after the assault gun ban ended in America.

    The NRA is looking even more heartless these days.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 11:18 AM
  • I would just like to know what difference does it make which side of the panty line you are on. On the one side--kill em and sell em. On the other side--bow down and kiss their *ss and give them everything their parents won't. What is so important about the panty line?

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 12:10 PM
  • RV,

    I answered your question, please answer mine.

    If the availability of "assault rifles" are the issue, why the dearth of school shootings with them in the 60s, 70s,and 80s?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 1:47 PM
  • LBR,

    Can you give us the definition of a mass shooting?

    You claim they doubled after the AWB ended. Did the definition of a mass shooting change during that time?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 1:49 PM
  • *

    Mikey, you always have questions, and it's great that you're so inquisitive and eager to learn.

    But sometimes I wish you'd just do your own google search, read articles all on your own. You might find it satisfying and actually feel a sense of accomplishment.

    In this case you could possibly research, "The history of assault weapons in America", or " Popularity of the AR-15".

    It's not that hard.

    You might find out things like, they weren't widely available in the 60's and 70's. Not many were manufactured and they were very pricey at that time.

    Or they weren't as easily adapted with attachments to make them full-auto back then.

    But is the historical popularity of them really even relevant?

    When the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" came out, critics hated it and it was a box office flop. Go figure.

    What is factual right now, is that the AR-15 is the overwhelming choice of weapons in today's mass shootings.

    And it's because that's what they were designed to do.

    It's their purpose.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 3:22 PM
  • "Bow down and give them everything their parents won't"

    Fair if you are talking about giving kids food and insurance,shame on you.I never said I was for or against abortions,I said I would never have one and as for others that is between them and God.This proves what I said you are only prolife till birth.

    Where will the money come from to train and equip teachers.They are poorly paid now and have to buy school supplies,plus the Dump administration cut school funding.Dump says arming teachers will be cheaper.How about he cancel his every weekend trip to Mar-A-Largo and use that money.

    The NRA is blaming violent movies,The FBI and mental illiness as if we are the only countries that have these things while we are number 1 for mass killings.

    I am so proud of the brave intelligent survivors of this nightmare standing and speaking even amid being bashed by the right.Future voters.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 4:11 PM
  • RV,

    That's the most verbose answer that isn't an answer you've ever given.

    For future reference, if your going to say nothing, brevity is preferable.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 4:36 PM
  • Once again LBR spouts stupidity and touts it as gospel, because repeating what she's heard on BSNBC is easier than doing basic research.

    This time she claims the US is number one for mass shootings.

    Not even close.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 4:41 PM
  • *

    Oh boy...more gun statistics from the throughly debunked fraudulent gun-nut, John Lott?

    Haven't we been thru all this before?

    What's next, do you also have a report on Global Stock Market Indexes from Larry the Cableguy?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 7:39 PM
  • Joke of the week,"Dump thinks we need some kind of ratings system for movies".This is hilarious.

    Seems there was a good guy with a gun on campus at the school shooting in Florida,didn't help.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 11:12 PM
  • Seems there was? We discussed that 5 days ago LBR.

    Every new day means you start over completely doesn't it?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 11:28 PM
  • RV,

    we have been through it before. Remember when I told you in another blog that despite your panty wetting hysteria a person has a .000007% chance of dying in a mass shooting in the US?

    Yet here you go, soiling your knickers again.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 11:40 PM
  • "Fair if you are talking about giving kids food and insurance,shame on you.I never said I was for or against abortions,I said I would never have one and as for others that is between them and God.This proves what I said you are only prolife till birth."

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Feb 22, 2018, at 4:11 PM

    Unreal, actually I am pro-life until the natural cessation of it. But nice to know you think abortion is a reasonable form of birth control. But really, not getting knocked up isn't rocket science. It is actually simple enough that I'm pretty sure even you could do it. Why do you think I should be responsible for feeding, clothing, etc, other people's kids and they shouldn't? Since you are so enamored with the idea of government running everything, how bout we have them build places where kids can live and be taken care of if their parents won't take care of them? That would be cheaper, what with economies of scale and all that. And if people have kids they can't or won't take care of, maybe the government could sterilize them to reduce future burden on the system. For that matter, since most people just can't be expected to be responsible, maybe the government should just sterilize everyone at age 12 then let people get a reversal when they prove they have a spouse, a job, enough intelligence to raise a kid, and the means to support them. Sounds like a liberal utopia to me.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 1:23 AM
  • *

    "a person has a .000007% chance of dying in a mass shooting in the US"

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 22

    Not sure if this is another John Lott statistic, or one that you, yourself, pulled out of your own a$s. But either way, it's a meaningless statistic to the parents and families of the children from Florida, or Sandy Hook, or of the 900 people shot at the concert in Las Vegas, etc., etc.

    Please, walk up to one of those family members and proudly spout out your sunny statistic.

    Tell them, "Sorry about your luck, but you just didn't beat the odds this time." As we continue to do absolutely nothing.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:20 AM
  • It's not surprising the same folks who think it's absurd to be expected to raise kids without someone else paying for them, are the same folks who thinks it's absurd to be expected to protect themselves, and instead want everyone else to alter their lives to conform to folks who can't seem to do anything themselves.

    What's next, government supplied go-fers to fetch their mail, as going to their own mailbox to get their government check is too burdensome?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:24 AM
  • 900 shot at Las Vegas???

    Talk about pulling numbers out of your...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:32 AM
  • We also need to point out that 92% of mass shootings occur in "gun free zones".

    There has yet to be a mass shooting at a police station, gun show, or gun store.

    There is a lesson there for thinking people.... therefore it's lost on liberals.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:35 AM
  • *

    59 killed

    851 wounded

    I guess that actually adds up to 910 people shot.

    I just rounded it off to 900.

    Sorry for any confusion.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:38 AM
  • I don't want to pay for go-fers too. They should take the initiative and get a checking account so we can direct deposit their free money.

    All this argument about guns killing people and we forget 2 things. #1 We have a 100% death rate, so we need to ban everything. #2 It's never the gun's fault when a cop shoots a black guy.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 5:58 AM
  • I'm glad you're sorry for being confused. That means there's hope for improvement.

    There were not 900 (or 910) people shot in Las Vegas.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 6:18 AM
  • *

    Mikey, I'm really starting to worry about you. And you're the one that's always chastising people about "reading comprehension"??????

    This is mind-boggling.

    This is the very first paragraph of the link that YOU just provided.

    "On the night of October 1, 2017, a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured."

    Do you need a calculator?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 7:46 AM
  • C'mon man, learn to read. Only approximately half of the injured were shot. Maybe we need to ban people from trampling each other.

    Give a liberal a fact, they'll know something for a minute. Teach a liberal to think, you'll have a conservative. But teaching them to think is so dang hard.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:08 AM
  • *

    And on the subject of "gun-free zones".

    There was armed security at Columbine, the Orlando nightclub massacre, and also this latest school shooting in Florida.

    In all instances it failed to stop the shooter.

    The latest reports about the armed security guard in Florida is that he took cover outside the school and just stayed there.

    But can you seriously blame the guy?

    Just last month he was probably flipping burgers at McDonald's and life was good.

    Then he took this security job because it paid a dollar more on the hour.

    There was some danger involved, but hey, according to Mikey there was only a .000007% chance of anything actually happening.

    But it did. And then all the sudden he was faced with the task of stopping a guy with an AR-15, with the pea-shooter that he had strapped to his hip.

    I'm sure he thought long and hard about it. But in the end he said..."well, maybe I just don't want to die today".

    So, you can say that he failed to do his job.

    You can also say that in this situation, "more guns" didn't work.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:09 AM
  • Hey, RV, put 422÷851 into your calculator and see what you get. My liberal side is coming thru this morning so I'm too lazy to do it. But it wil end up being a little less than half of the nonfatal injuries from gunfire. And as long as we are doing math, the side with more guns did come out victorious. "Peashooter" vs " machine gun ".

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:20 AM
  • RV,

    You post about reading comprehension, and can't comprehend that every injury isn't being shot? I can just imagine your exclamations when you fell off your bicycle as a child.

    Instead of being a lazy liberal and only reading the first paragraph, read a bit further down where it shows the the actual number of those shot... Nowhere near 900.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:21 AM
  • If more guns didn't stop shooters, I'm guessing RV thinks it's pointless to call the police, when all they do is bring more guns.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:26 AM
  • More to the point, the FBI failed in Florida, the local police failed, the single SRO officer failed.

    Tell us again, why we should give up our guns and trust government to protect us?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 8:40 AM
  • *

    Ok...wait a minute...hold the phone!

    So you're telling me, that is was only closer to around 500 people that were actually "shot" in Las Vegas??

    The other 400 or so were just other injuries related to the shooting?

    Well...this changes EVERYTHING!!

    480 shot, 419 injured?

    Hey, that's not so bad....right?

    The other injuries were probably just minor stuff...lacerations from folks climbing a fence to avoid getting their heads blown off.

    Another guy slipped on some brains and broke his ankle.

    You're right. No big deal.

    Sorry I brought it up.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 9:04 AM
  • (SMH) (Best read in a Ronald Reagan accent): There you go again, getting emotional and all that! OMGWTHBBQKFCGTOFMLA!!!!!!!

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 9:24 AM
  • Stopping school shootings and keeping guns out of schools should be simple and easy to do. Just convince the powers that be that guns are simply a different shape and form of the Bible. Problem solved.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 9:32 AM
  • *

    If more guns didn't stop shooters, I'm guessing RV thinks it's pointless to call the police, when all they do is bring more guns.

    -- Posted by quietmikey on Fri, Feb 23

    How about...If we didn't have gun-nuts with AR-15's going on a shooting rampage, we wouldn't have to call the police in the first place.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 9:45 AM
  • *

    Stopping school shootings and keeping guns out of schools should be simple and easy to do. Just convince the powers that be that guns are simply a different shape and form of the Bible. Problem solved.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 9:32

    Sorry, Fair. That won't work either. We've also had these terrible mass shootings at churches too.

    Surprisingly enough, The Bible, or God, were neither able to stop the shooter.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 10:20 AM
  • RV, in his rant, yet again misses the point. In his hysteria he heard that 900 people were shot, believed it, and repeated it as fact. When challenged, he defended the faulty information with "evidence" that really wasn't.

    A thinking person might use this blunder as a sign that some introspection is in order, to examine why he is so quick to turn any tidbit of information, even if incorrect, into support of his position.

    But, thinking isn't a prominent feature of liberalism,only hysterical emotion.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 3:08 PM
  • How about...If we didn't have gun-nuts with AR-15's going on a shooting rampage, we wouldn't have to call the police in the first place.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine


    So if they instead went in with pistols, like the Virginia tech shooter who killed 32 and wounded 17 others, that would be somehow better than suffering the indignity of being killed with an "assault rifle"?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 3:12 PM
  • Quite tell some of those kids parents that whose faces were so messed up they were unrecognizable as said by one of the parents.

    What was ironic today was Dump encouraging his crowd today to chant"lock her up" concerning Hillary as they were locking up his top campaign officials as the 4th one pleads guilty to multiple charges.Only a matter of time till Manafort starts singing.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 6:40 PM
  • LBR,

    Try, just once, go apply some critical thinking skills.

    Since you say you were a nurse, I'll use a medical analogy.

    If a person has AIDS, MS, or any other condition that compromises their immune system, what is the course of action?

    Do we rush out and try to obliterate every virus, bacteria, and mold spore? No because we know that is impossible given our current technology.

    We give the patient drugs, masks, and other measures to protect the patient.

    Trying to rid the world of guns is no different than trying to rid the world of germs, its an impossible pipe dream. Even if you could, people would find other ways to hurt and kill each other.

    Instead of trying to rid the world of dangerous items, you protect yourself and those you love.

    You never answered my earlier question as to why mass shootings were rare in the past despite guns, even "assault weapons" being freely available. That's because everyone knows it's a culture problem, not a gun problem. Some just can't bring themselves to admit it, since it destroys their narrative.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 11:15 PM
  • Sorry, Fair. That won't work either. We've also had these terrible mass shootings at churches too.

    Surprisingly enough, The Bible, or God, were neither able to stop the shooter.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine


    Surprised you opened up church shootings, since the Texas church shooting was stopped by......

    ...... wait for it......


    A NRA member with an AR-15!

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 23, 2018, at 11:18 PM
  • Okay, it's time to go get your cup of coffee or beer, maybe the bottle of hard stuff?

    Well, I just read all the comments and discovered that all the great minds together on this blog couldn't come up with a solution to end mass shootings in the Good Old USA.

    I also noticed that none of the school shooting victims and survivors never said a word about the security guard who was a trained professional and who was paid to protect the school from shooters was a coward and thief. He stole his weekly/monthly salary and did nothing for the school or the kids. He had a 50/50 chance of sneaking in and killing the shooter but preferred the 100% chance of not getting shot himself and staying outside where it was safe. He just killed himself by being a coward. His life is over! I doubt that he will even be able to live with himself after what he did and didn't do.

    He had a 50/50 chance to prove that a man with a hand gun could stop a man with an automatic weapon, but chose not to even try.

    So, arm the schools? Not the answer. Most teachers would get shot by either the gunman or the law enforcement swat team.

    I firmly believe the teachers would freeze or get killed going for their gun. One school has security safes built into the walls in their schools at private locations where certain teachers can go and retrieve their guns. It uses finger print technology to unlock these safes. If I don't miss my guess, it requires the power to be on.

    As usual, the Government screwed that school shooting prevention all to hell. And they just keep saying, we have to make sure it never happens again. What a crock!

    This is Terrorism. There is no defense against Terrorism because you don't know what is the target, where the target will be, what day or time it will happen and by who. Too many unknowns to be prepared.

    Had that security guard had an AR-15, he might have gone in and tried to stop the shooter, but then my guess is he was just a coward period.

    Now the victims and survivors want Trump to bring in Martial Law which is unconstitutional. How is that going to help the thousands of other schools, theaters, stadiums, subways, airplanes, one way streets, sidewalks and whatever?

    There is no defense against the unknown. Will everyone need bullet proof vests, bomb protective gear, gas masks, nigh vision goggles or scuba gear? No way to be prepared for any attack.

    For RV; You keep asking why does anyone need an ar-15 or other automatic weapon. Let me explain what the Federal Homeland Security Office put out a couple years ago under Barack Obama.

    The Homeland Security Spokesperson said when we have a High Alert you should get lots of plastic duck tape and treat it like a "ZOMBIE ATTACK". Now I ask you, just how stupid was that public announcement? A Zombie Attack. Who has ever been in a Zombie Attack? We did have a couple Vampire attacks back then by liberals who thought they were Vampires.

    However, if I was going to protect my family from a Zombie Attack, I would definitely want an AR-15 in my hands.

    I thought that should be told as your answer, because it came out of the mouth of your liberal Homeland Security guy. If I remember right, he was promoted to a high office in the National Security Agency.

    One other thing I would like to say about the shooters and using AR-15 weapons of mass destruction - What went wrong? I was issued an M-16 in the Military. If I couldn't kill more than 100 people with an M-16 or an AR-15, who were unarmed?? I think the people are very lucky these shooters only killed and wound the numbers they did, when they had the weapons and ammo to kill many more than they did. I was shocked to hear the low number of people shot when an Automatic weapon was used.

    It is all sickening, but it's here in America. The people have turned their backs on God and wonder why God doesn't step in and fix things. When is the last time you asked God to do anything?

    I don't worry about the Democrats winning the election in 2020 because they all sit back and just talk hateful about everything Trump or someone in his office is doing wrong. They can't believe Obama and his gang did all the things they did that we are just now finding out about. Of course I said it last year. Obama is going to go down with Hillary when she goes. I have never heard any democrat speak about improving anything. They just want to tear Trump apart. How can they run a campaign on that? LBR said it best. She said the school students will be the voters running the country. She is right but look at what the students are doing. Just heard they want to take the word man and do away with it and replace it with man-kind. Some even want human-kind. They think the word man is sexist. And they will be the new voters! They are just kids who don't know what a man is. They still live at home where the man and woman takes care of their every need.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 3:18 AM
  • *

    Yep...more guns in schools and churches ..definitely the answer.



    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 8:49 AM
  • An easy way to get around the problem of young idiots voting would be to put the voting booths inside public bathrooms. Many of the little goofs would be unable to find their place to vote, seeing as how they don't know which bathroom to use.

    "Sorry, Fair. That won't work either. We've also had these terrible mass shootings at churches too.

    Surprisingly enough, The Bible, or God, were neither able to stop the shooter."

    -- Posted by RocketValentine

    Seriously, RV, I'm kinda worried about you. That comment demonstrates reading comprehension I would expect from unreal, not you. My comment had nothing to do with the Bible or God stopping shootings. It had to do with convincing the idiot left that a gun was like a Bible. Then they would for sure keep them out of schools.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 11:21 AM
  • List of American Companies grow boycotting the NRA.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 11:38 AM
  • Another question for RV and LBR (that we all know will be ignored or dodged)...

    If more guns are not the answer, was the response of putting Air Marshall's on planes and allowing pilots to carry weapons after 9/11 the wrong idea?

    Answer knowing their hasn't been a hijacking since then.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 1:58 PM
  • When my friend heard the news about United Airlines boycotting the NRA he got off his flight in Montreal and used Air Canada to complete his trip. That will show’em.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 24, 2018, at 2:05 PM
  • -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 6:58 AM
  • Might want to do some fact checking on this “news” link. I could not find any mainstream news report at this time.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 7:14 AM
  • *

    Really, I saw several. Can post more if you'd like.

    Here's another look at the "good guy with a gun" scenario.


    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 7:20 AM
  • -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 7:24 AM
  • Is this a scenario or a real time news report? Not finding any mainstream news. Maybe they are slow or is this several years old?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 8:09 AM
  • I'm guessing that the good guy with the gun that got mowed down by the fuzz was a white guy. Otherwise the left would have veered off the beaten path of "it's the gun, it's the gun, it's the gun" to the only authorised departure of "cops are bad, cops are bad, cops are bad" when they shoot a black guy. You see, they don't really care about guns and they sure don't give a damm about black guys getting shot. They just care about whining and crying and doing whatever they can to take away our rights and weaken our great country. 🍼🍼🍼

    RV, you have probably heard the old adage "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight ". It really does make sense to most people who have walking around sense. And to me, it is even more powerful if you know someone could be coming for you at some point with a gun and you choose to arm yourself with a knife. Not a choice I would make. I was a Boy Scout back in the day and still live by the motto "be prepared". But I do support you making that choice. Heck, I'll even encourage you in your choice.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 8:20 AM
  • "When my friend heard the news about United Airlines boycotting the NRA he got off his flight in Montreal and used Air Canada to complete his trip. That will show’em."

    Steve; Nobody is boycotting the NRA. People are boycotting (or threatening to boycott) companies that have little discount deals for NRA members. This is a common business practice, intended to increase business, and is generally available for any "club" or large group of people that are organized under one banner. I do it all the time, because it is effective. I would have happily done it for the NRA, had they asked. "Clubs" request these things all the time, because it is a carrot to draw in members.

    Now all the companies that have made these discounts available to the NRA membership are under attack from both sides, when they do not want, and never intended, to make a political statement of any kind. They were just doing business. No matter what they do, they are going to get boycotted by someone.

    I think the outrage from the right is sort of ironic, since it is the far right who has made effective use of the "boycott" most frequently. Since a sense of outrage is the lifeblood of the far right, they can mobilize boycotts most effectively. Now these companies, who never wanted to do anything except increase business, are caught in the middle and have to try to decide whose ire will be the most damaging; the much smaller number of far right extremists who are easily motivated to boycott, or the much larger number of people who would like to see a common sense discussion of the issue, but may or may not actively participate in a boycott.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 9:27 AM
  • Sense of outrage is the lifeblood of the Right? Not sure I see it through the same glasses Lazarus.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 11:02 AM
  • The extreme right, Steve. Outrage is the lifeblood of all extremists.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 1:11 PM
  • LOL

    Not remembering the last time the right rioted in the streets, burning police cars, looting stores, and blocking traffic on the freeway.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 3:05 PM
  • I'm guessing the emotional hystetia of RV is preventing him from seeing something clearly.

    He posts several stories of cops having gun accidents, shooting the wrong person, and making other mistakes.

    If"assault rifles" or any other guns are banned, who does he think would be tasked with collecting them?

    Does he also want to ban guns for the police?

    How about the military? They have accidents and make mistakes as well.

    The simple fact is that liberals are lazy, and it shows in their "solutions" to any problem.

    They see a poor person, and their answer is to give them money (not their own money, of course), never wanting to examine the cause of the poverty and find a solution for that.

    With violence, they want to ban the item used, not examine why the violence is happening. Lefties in other countries who have achieved gun bans, are now whining for knife bans, such as England's "bin the blade" program.

    Liberals will use any excuse or opportunity to avoid responsibility. Their brainwashing is so severe it overrides one of the most basic insticts found in all of nature, self-preservation.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 3:16 PM
  • I really don't know why some of you are so hell bent on taking away my AR15. It self identifies as a nerf gun. And if you can't respect that, you are a racist.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 5:54 PM
  • Fair,

    You need to be fair. The correct term is transphobic.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 8:24 PM
  • Mike,

    You are quite right. I don't want to stoop to their level and throw around the R word willy nilly. The only color that matters is gunmetal gray.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Feb 25, 2018, at 8:48 PM
  • Gunmetal gray, high polish stainless, chrome, blue, parkerized, and all the others are welcome at my house.

    I don't discriminate against black rifles like our liberals do.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Feb 26, 2018, at 1:03 AM
  • Super hero Trump said "I'd run into the school even if I didn't have a weapon".This is a man who when an 80 year old man fell at Mar-A-Largo on his face as his wife screamed said "This is disgusting and I turned away".He was worried about "blood on the marble floor". This is the man who refused 5 times to go fight for his country.This is a man who is deeply insecure.This is the man who cared little about his own 11 year old son boarding air force one in the rain with an umbrella while his son and wife walked behind him with nothing.He even bragged about distancing himself from his kids on Howard Stern as they grew up.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Feb 26, 2018, at 9:26 PM
  • This is the man that is your President. No matter how much you bellyache about it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 26, 2018, at 9:29 PM
  • Fair say what you really mean that he is white,male and republican so it does not matter what he says or does,but Obama wearing a tan suit started a conspiracy.It is okay when he lies daily,gives top positions to family members with no experience who can't get security clearance,cabinet members indicted and pleading guilty,19 sexual assault cases pending and pledges loyalty to Russia.This is just the tip of the iceberg.There is no way he did not know all his staff and family had all these contacts with Russia.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Feb 26, 2018, at 10:36 PM
  • Sarah Huckabee "Slander" was just asked why won't Dump give Admiral Rogers authority to stop Russian meddling in upcoming elections.Her answer was "we have done more than the previous administration",bull crap.

    Dump's lawyers said he is to busy to talk to Mueller,but he has time to tweet nonsense all day and golf at Mar-A-Largo every weekend.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Feb 27, 2018, at 1:52 PM
  • Anyone else notice LBR tries to make everything about race?

    It's interesting to note, despite the claims of socialist democrats to the contrary, racism, sexism, or any other type of discrimination requires a collectivist thought process.

    You can't be for individualism and be racist.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Feb 27, 2018, at 2:15 PM
  • I'm guessing if LBR got her news from sources other than that Maddow fella on MSNBC, she'd have noticed that US forces attacked Russian forces in Syria. Hard to suck up to Putin when you're killing his soldiers and destroying his equipment.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Feb 27, 2018, at 2:25 PM
  • But that Maddow fella sure seems to be unreal's type. Right up her alley. My last post was 2 simple sentences. Very easy to read and understand. Yet unreal comes back with her take on it which devolves into a rant and rave that quickly goes the racist rout. I'm really sorry she can't understand plain English. But we really shouldn't blame her. After all, she is a victim. Of those lib colored glasses thru which she sees the world.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Feb 27, 2018, at 4:43 PM
  • Quite and fair what in my last comment had to do with race?

    Dump went to DC to drain the swamp,but it seems the only thing getting drained is the WH.He has had 5 Communication Directors in a year and the last one has bitten the dust,Hope Hicks.He is bashing his Att General Sessions,his daughter and son in law and others unable to get security clearance,Hicks admits she had to tell "white lies" for him and Mueller looking to see if he knew about Dem email hack before the public.All evidence is leading up to that he did.

    Then Ivanka said she believes her father concerning sexual assault cases,does she believe her own mother.Dump raped her and pulled her hair out by the root according to her mother,who now denies it all to keep that check coming.His own son did not speak to him for 10 years after he left his mother.

    What week and 3 more days to go.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 5:18 PM
  • Wow. I guess allegations count as facts for some people.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 5:52 PM
  • Yes it was allegations that all those staff members were leaving and now they are gone,close to 50 of them.

    Now Kushners business got hundreds of millions in loans from companies after WH meetings.Dealing out of the WH.

    Did anyone hear how clueless Dump was at the meeting today on gun control?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 8:10 PM
  • Quite and fair what in my last comment had to do with race?

    -posted by lets be real

    Well let's see...

    Fair say what you really mean that he is white,male and republican so it does not matter what he says or does,but Obama wearing a tan suit started a conspiracy.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 9:14 PM
  • Did anyone hear how clueless Dump was at the meeting today on gun control?

    -- Posted by lets be real


    Yes. He asked Feinstein to include her AWB as part of the school security talks.

    If that isn't SFB, I've never seen it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 9:16 PM
  • Quite and fair call it what you want it is true.

    Mueller is closing in on Dump.All those clips of him bragging about what was coming from Wikileaks about dem emails before the public knew is going to bite him in his fat behind.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 9:41 PM
  • We know it's true that you try to inject race into every discussion. That's why we mentioned it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 11:27 PM
  • Wow, unreal. You call everyone you disagree with a racist. Usually just because they are white. Sounds racist to me. And should you really be talking about our President's rear end? Why are you so petty and jealous? Think about pacing yourself. After all, you have nearly 7 more years of making America great again.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 8:16 AM
  • Back closer to topic, everyone probably saw that Dick's sporting goods store quit selling guns to 18-20 year olds. FYI, Cabella's still sell to legal 18year olds. Know why? Cause Cabella's ain't Dick's.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 9:19 AM
  • Dicks made the same decision after Sandy Hook, then later rescinded that decision. Now they're making it again.

    Sounds like attention whoring.

    If a person is too immature to own a gun at 18, arent they also too immature to vote, sign a contract, be tried as an adult, or join the military?

    Oddly enough, the army is dropping the live grenade throw from basic training as so many snowflakes joining today can't throw a grenade 25 meters.

    Thanks liberals.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 10:17 AM
  • Maybe we don't really need ARs to protect ourselves from the gumment after all.🤣😅😓😥🤔

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 12:06 PM
  • After Dump telling his sheep for months"Hillary is going to take our guns" who sits on national TV and said"Take the guns first,go through the due process second".Dump's sheep worried about Obama coming to get their guns,what do they think about this.Probably think it is fake news even after seeing him say it.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 1:24 PM
  • It's probably the same tactic he used in the previous (five?) roundtable discussions he has held. Get the participants to reveal their positions (on camera) while himself being noncommittal but saying he will consider. Taxes. DACA. Trade. Border security. Manufacturing and infrastructure.

    Any thinking person would see him saying "ignore due process" as a giveaway, tipping his hand, but of course dems wouldn't catch it.

    Just like how dems went bat ****, concentrating on his tweets, while he gutted a large part of the EPAs ridiculous regulations, then dems ask, what has Trump accomplished.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 1:52 PM
  • He does seem to play them like a Stradivarius, doesn't he? I just hope they never realize they are playing in a bigger league now.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 2:10 PM
  • Logic and taking lessons from history has never been a main feature of liberalism.

    Usually that is detrimental to the country. Trump is using it as a strength.

    Classic Sun Tzu.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 3:59 PM
  • And classic Trump. He wrote the modern version of The Art of War. They have his playbook yet are too ignorant or too arrogant to use it. In the meantime, he be takin care of business.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 5:23 PM
  • Yes he gutted a lot of the EPA's ridiculous rules like clean air and water.Six of his cabinet members are being investigated for running up thousands of dollars of taxpayer money for personal use and the head of EPA is one of them.Ben Carson is spending HUD money to buy a $31,000 table for his office.

    What he said had nothing to do with being noncommittal he said Take the guns first and go through the due process second because he doesn't know any better.

    Just like today his answer for the opioid crisis was death for the drug dealers.Now he does not know majority of these drugs were perscribed or he is avoiding naming the pharmaceutical companies that fill his pockets,either one is bad.

    Another top advisor is getting to bite the dust,H.R.McMaster plus the Ambassador to Mexico resigned today.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Mar 1, 2018, at 11:18 PM
  • Carson should have waited until the end of his term and stolen it, like the Clintons did.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 2, 2018, at 12:42 PM
  • LBR,

    As hung up as you are on collusion, I'm surprised you didn't mention Bernie the bum getting fined by the Federal Election Commission for colluding with the Australian labor party.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 2, 2018, at 1:51 PM
  • Why is Dump silent on Putins threat? Why has he not signed the bipartisan Russian sanction bill he has had on his desk for a month? Putin must have something really damaging on him to make him pledge his loyalty to him.While we are under attack from Russia he tweets about Alec Baldwin.He wasted no time on sanctions on North Korea.

    He had such a bad week flip flopping on gun control,trying to hold on to staff,son in law and daughter investigated for making personal deals out of the white house,and bad decision on tariffs.So off he goes to Mar A Largo again to golf and escape running the country.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 11:26 AM
  • Wow. Trump never pledged loyalty to Putin. Unlike when barry let his buddy Vlad run over Crimea scot free, Trump is arming the Ukraine. And instead of playing silly games with red plastic reset buttons, Trump is letting our military kill Russians when they get in our way in Syria. Yeah, sounds like Putin has something pretty bad on Trump. If it was any worse, Putin would probably force Trump to accept his surrender.

    You can always count on unreal for a good laugh.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 12:34 PM
  • LBR,

    I guess one of the advantages of being ignorant is being ignorant of your ignorance. It's only painful for everyone else.

    If congress sends a bill to the president, he can sign it, veto it, or he can sit on the bill.

    If he doesn't sign it within 10 working days, it becomes law by default.


    It's hard to believe someone who claimed to be a nurse, has such an issue with researching and studying very basic topics.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 2:26 PM
  • Since a bill becomes law after 10 days maybe you had better tell congress because they are complaining him not implementing it.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 7:10 PM
  • LBR,

    I hadn't kept up with the Russian sanction bill because I thought it was yet more liberal whining about nothing.

    Turns out, it's worse than that.

    Trump signed it last year.

    Dog gone y'all liberals are stupid.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Mar 3, 2018, at 8:06 PM
  • He has delayed enforcing it.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Mar 4, 2018, at 12:44 AM
  • So first it was Trump hasn't signed it, now it's he's not enforcing it?

    Sanctions for "interfering with the election" even though goofy liberals still haven't shown a single vote changed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 4, 2018, at 2:05 AM
  • Funny how the media used to chase the nonexistent Trump Russia collusion story. (The collusion delusion.) But now they are running fast as they can away from the real Cliton Russia collusion story. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad for the country.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Mar 4, 2018, at 12:37 PM
  • The Clinton Russia collusion story is laughable.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Mar 4, 2018, at 10:23 PM
  • Admittedly, it's not as good a Hillary's admission of hiring a British spy.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 5, 2018, at 7:25 AM
  • Drump said "Everyone wants to work in the WH".Chief Economic Advisor Cohn resigns as another high profile one bites the dust,seems he is not happy with Dump's tariff policy.Nobody can work with this lunatic.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Mar 6, 2018, at 6:28 PM
  • Nobody can work with this lunatic.

    -- Posted by lets be real

    More people are working than any time since 1969.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Mar 6, 2018, at 7:53 PM
  • "More people are working than any time since 1969"

    Yes thanks to Obama for taking us from 9.3 in 2009 to 4.7 unemployment rate in 2016 according to the Bureau of Labor stastistics.

    It now stands at 4.1.

    We will see how long it holds since greedy CEO's are giving small bonuses and laying off hundreds while they pocket millions.And if he follows through with his tariff policy americans will suffer according to both parties.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Mar 7, 2018, at 8:40 PM
  • Drump is silent on Stormy story.He bashes every female that accuses him except her.Her lawyer says she wont hold back when able to tell her story.Seems she has images and videos,and it is going to get ugly.

    Also Mueller has gathered evidence that second meeting in Seychelles by Kushner and others was to establish a back channel with the Kremlin.

    The kids in Florida are moving mountains,Florida house of representatives passed new gun safety bill.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Mar 7, 2018, at 9:58 PM
  • Dummy LBR at it again.

    She posts that a few day drop in the stock market just has to be Trump's fault, yet now unemployment is all due to obama.

    I know for a fact she's too stupid to have followed along when it was shown just when unemployment started dropping, and that it had nothing to do with obama.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 8, 2018, at 2:18 PM
  • Now, Mike, don't be too hard on unreal. What with all the time she spends keeping up with the latest Peyton Place story and singing the praises of teenagers that are so advanced we should turn over public policy making to them while simultaneously are so backward we should take away their constitutional rights, she can't possibly have the time to keep up with trivial stuff like unemployment or Korean Peninsula denuclearization. Besides, her being blinded by hate won't let her see what is really going on in the country or the world.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 8, 2018, at 11:35 PM
  • New post on North Korea. Looks promising, even to those “news” shows that bash Trump at every chance

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 8:01 AM
  • What is going on in the WH is the republican's Peyton Place.Lets see we have a family at each others throat,the old man involved in shady deals with Russia,multiple affairs,paying hush money and possibly paid abortion money for porn star,half the staff indicted and pleading guilty and the other half jumping ship.And I forgot 19 cases of sexual assault against women and staff not suitable for security clearance.

    If Obama just did one of these he would have been impeached.

    This is not the first time NK has said they would denuclearize so we will see.Drump would not know this since he does not read.NK president can see that America now has a bigger idiot in the WH than him.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 5:26 PM
  • When obama did stuff like that, he claimed executive privilege and there was no further investigation.

    I know your racism prevents you from thinking ill, much less speaking ill, of a black man, but, pardon the pun, lets get real.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 5:32 PM
  • LBR, you are right. Obama fell for the NK ploy but I don’t recall NK asking for ansit-down with him.

    Why not make your comments about the US/NK developments in the new post so more can read them. There is so much other stuff here, your views s will get lost.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 7:20 PM
  • I think her views are lost either way.🙄

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM
  • Obama never did any of the corrupt things I mentioned above.Trump doesn't have to claim executive privilege conservatives just pretend it is all fake news and deflect.Drump makes Nixon look like a choir boy.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 7:56 PM
  • No. All bo did was give guns to thugs that killed Americans, let Americans die without lifting a finger, turn the IRS into his political hit squad, give Russia our uranium, do nothing to stop Russian meddling in the election, and spy on the President elect. I could go on all day but don't want to get carpal tunnel syndrome. Unreal, I'm sure you believe your li'l buddy when he said his administration had no scandals and did nothing to be ashamed of. It wasn't the first time he lied to you. Probably won't be the last. But may very well end up being the biggest. And that is really saying something cause I still remember "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan".

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 10:06 AM
  • Obama presidency,no scandals,no staff indicted,no lawsuits.Fair name one thing Obama was charged with and I don't mean Faux's conspiracy theories.

    McConnnell watered down United States response to Russia during the 2016 election.He stated he would say it was all political.

    The biggest scandal is yet to come from the current WH.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 12:18 PM
  • 🙈🙉🙊👍👏👏👏🦄🦄🦄🍼🍼🛑🚯🚯☑♾♾


    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 12:41 PM
  • Obama presidency-no scandals.

    Obama supporters-no brains.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 6:26 PM
  • One would think the supporters of the one with multiple scandals have no brains,but everything that is wrong is now right to them.Drumps own words"I love people with no education".They rejoice when he tells them he will take their insurance,cut medicare,cut SS and eliminate clean air and water.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Mar 10, 2018, at 10:45 PM
  • We rejoice when deadbeat democrat losers will have to start supporting themselves like actual adults instead of mewling for freebies like they always do.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 11, 2018, at 11:56 AM
  • So GOP house republicans have shut down Drump Russian investigation without investigating anything.They do not want to know about money laundering etc.This tells America that no matter what Drump does they will turn a blind eye.

    Quite everyone knows the red states gets the most freebies.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 8:26 PM
  • House republican's have put protecting Drump over the best interest of country.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 10:06 PM
  • LBR,

    Everyone knows your an idiot and too lazy to try and educate yourself.

    California is the poverty capital of the US.


    San Francisco is so nasty a Berkely infectious disease expert says it's worse than third world sh**holes.


    They even have "poop maps" to track where piles of human excement are left.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 11:22 PM
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