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Bedford Ramblings
Steve Mills

ICE raid. It has to be done, or does it?

Posted Monday, April 9, 2018, at 9:57 AM
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  • I believe the first issue we must address is seasonal labor. We have historically overlooked putting the effort into creating a working system to get food picked and on the table using local labor before it rots or to cover all those other seasonal jobs unfilled by residents. Once we deal with the issue of seasonal labor we can direct the conversation toward who is exactly supposed to be here without using a hypocritical blind eye.

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Mon, Apr 9, 2018, at 1:27 PM
  • Are legal aliens issued a green card for that? Are they allowed to bring their family on a green card?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Apr 9, 2018, at 2:04 PM
  • Maybe I missed the point Palindrome. I thought we had a working system for seasonal workers. I apparently misused the general term "green card" for temporary agricultural workers, it is a H2A https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-2a-temporary-agr...

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 8:53 AM
  • Steve I agree with you that the pusillanimity of many of the frequent responders here, who mostly display their pseudo eruditeness by attacking the messenger, deter many who might actually have valid points to make.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 1:43 PM
  • Thanks for your comment Carl. That should get things kicked off. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 1:55 PM
  • Well, this is TOTALLY OFF POINT, but, Carl, you seem to be beating a dead horse. And don't you have your own sandbox where you can beat it all you want?

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 2:48 PM
  • Back on point, Steve, both parties in general don't want to do much about illegal immigration. Trump and mainstream middle America are the only ones that want too. The left want all the illegals to come here currently for their votes and down the line to do away with the country we know. The ones in power on the right (except Trump) want them for the cheap labor, and probably for fundamentally replacing the country. Kinda like the left.

    What people need to understand is: "illegal alien" is not a race, it is a lifestyle choice. No other country lets everyone and their brother in on demand. If we continue to do that, we will end up like the third world sh!tholes they come from. Thankfully, Trump won't let that happen.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 3:04 PM
  • I knew it, I knew it. Y’all are reading this.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Apr 10, 2018, at 3:06 PM
  • Which other crimes should be ignored? If someone robs a bank, you know, so their family will have a better life, should they also get a pass? The bank money is insured by the FDIC, so no one really loses their money. Surely no one thinks a family should be split up over such a crime.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 3:27 AM
  • Just think of the reparations due to bank robber families. I may need to go on an ancestry website to see if any of my family qualify.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 5:19 AM
  • Steve did you see fairshare's comment. I rest my case.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 7:03 AM
  • I'm sorry Carl. I try to just get my point across with simple English. I feel no need to use big fancy words so people might think I'm smarter than I really am. Besides, I doubt anyone could reach your stature as a cunning linguist, so I won't waste my time trying.

    Hey, Steve, in case you missed it, I'm self-reporting that I once again responded to Carl.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 8:40 AM
  • OK, you are "self-reported" fair share.

    Sorry to be slow, but what do you mean by that? :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 12:07 PM
  • Well, Carl made a big deal out of making sure you saw what I wrote in response to his comment. I, on the other hand, figured you had already seen it since you posted directly below and seemed to acknowledge it. Guess I did this just to mock Carl. And give him another reason to berate me if he wants to. 😁

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 4:13 PM
  • Steve, I rest my case again.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 4:58 PM
  • Wow, Carl. Profound. Very profound indeed.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Apr 11, 2018, at 7:04 PM
  • Steve,

    Did not mean to comment and run but sometimes life gives us a zig and a zag.

    Also did not realize that making an independent comment not leading to conversation was such a capital offense.

    To get back to the point I was making about seasonal ( and actually extended seasonal ) work….Yes we have the H2A and H2B in place but they are completely inadequate for the task at hand, which is the main reason why so many workers enter the country illegally. The quotas admitted for work are so much lower than necessary and the bureaucracy too thick to administer the program adequately. Many of us have witnessed the influx of foreign workers not quite understanding who has a right to be here, for how long and who doesn't. There are also inadequate paper trails to follow up on these admissions and people get easily lost in the system.

    I am hardly expert in the subject but have lived for decades in an area where a majority of seasonal work must be fulfilled and have always tried to stay current with the issues at hand.

    OK….Perfect Opportunity for Patronizing P Word Patter……..

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:24 AM
  • Capital offense? Only when I can't seem to get any momentum going, but ..... maybe not a capital one. :-)

    Since the workers are there to help the seasonal farmers/producers, what if the burden of documentation was put in the f/p's lap? Most of the large farms are also large corporations so "paper work" is part of their bailiwick. THEY would be responsible for maintaining the database to which local and National government could refer.

    Small farmers under $XXXXX.XX might be exempted or have lighter documentation requirements. I would think the most important thing for us is to know WHO is in the country and where they are.

    The first time in would require a more in-depth application but those returning on an annual basis could have a streamlined identification badge similar to what was done at airports. They get scanned at the border crossing with a destination logged as their starting point.

    From there they log in and out of farms. If they don't keep it current or lose their I.D., they pay the price of having to start over again. Their benefits are having a National I.D. (not used for voting) and they would not have to take the dangerous route to enter the country.

    Would there be ways to beat it? Sure, but those same workers would probably help to keep it from getting corrupted and it could be managed more locally. Farms would close the season in the database which then gives the worker a certain time period to either log in to another farm or log out of the country.

    A scan-able, computerized system should give better control. Maybe they are doing it now. Does anyone know?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 11:45 AM
  • Steve,

    I think it is a bad idea to give the F/Ps the responsibility of documentation. In a perfect world that sounds like an efficient methodology. On the other hand I can see the red light blinking ABUSE, ABUSE….. Having the governmental third-party distance between the worker and the O/P will help to prevent any conflict of interest particularly when we consider that the O/P is in the position to be able to exploit the worker.

    A streamlined system of identification for better control sounds more advantageous. Unfortunately government streamlining puts a sad smile on my face. That is what we must work toward… That and realistic quotas. My accounting life was centered around streamlining systems that work for the benefit of all involved…..To be able to tackle such an important subject as this would be spectacular…..

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 1:56 PM
  • By the way….I have been witness to some people who add extra syllables to words making them overly long because they look sophisticated and what they actually created are not real words after all…...

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 2:11 PM
  • Like supercalifragilisticexpialodocious?

    Is that spelled right?

    Then at least the growers financially support the agency that registers the workers? I know that will be passed on to the eventual consumer, but hopefully less than what the government seems to inflate things.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 6:27 PM
  • Better than having melons rotting in the field…...

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 6:50 PM
  • Farmers would have to pay more to have legals pick crops.

    Higher priced vegetables or worrying about being run over by a drunk Mexican with no insurance, who will buy new I.D. the next day.

    I'll buy the more expensive melon.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Apr 12, 2018, at 7:14 PM
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