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Steve Mills

Tennessee State Governor race, does it seem that we have a great selection?

Posted Tuesday, July 3, 2018, at 8:27 AM
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  • Guess everyone is enjoying the 4th? No matter, I am here. :-)

    I had planned to make a comment in my original post about how civil the election campaigning was conducted. Oops, too soon.

    Last night and now today I see an attack on one of the candidates but at this point, no opposition candidate seems to be taking credit for it. It is just a slam by a generic political action group?

    Just as well. Whomever it was would have lost my vote unless they come out publicly to denounce the "mud".

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jul 4, 2018, at 11:56 AM
  • Well, looks like Diane Black has just helped me rule out a candidate. I am not sure who actually did the first attach ad. but the current one has her name on it so …….

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 3:15 PM
  • Was it an attack ad or statement of facts?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 7:09 PM
  • Blessed Assurance, you question it as if you know them as fact. I am open to read discussion of them.

    When I hear someone telling me how bad another is, I read panic or weakness in their campaign. It is kind of like when my parents would say, the louder you get, the weaker your argument.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 8:36 PM
  • I think we have some good candidates for governor. My personal choice at this point is Bill Lee.

    I agree that Diane Black is using attack ads because she sees the real threat(s) in Bill Lee and Randy Boyd. The attack ad does not mention Beth Harwell, who is also an excellent candidate.

    Obviously Black recognizes the threat and has initiated an attack. The best defense is a good offense! Career politicians use attack ads because they work. That's how they maintain their seats.

    The question is will the others respond in kind? I am sure there are plenty of skeletons in Black's closet if they so choose. Will they spend the resources to uncover the bones?

    Although I am not in favor of a campaign of mud slinging. I think it is a good thing to know the negative side of any potential candidate. If however, they present false information, then there should be accountability.

    That's my TCW.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 10:19 PM
  • I agree that misinformation (lies) should be called but I have seen so many exagerated, misleading, trumped up claims in these attack ads that I immediately resent the one who starts it.

    A simple act, phrase, or friendly handshake can be twisted to become an ugly, totally false charge. Once the ugly charge is given “life” it explodes via the gossip networks and now social media.

    And usually it is magnified and distorted even more. I swat a mosquito on my wife's back, and a photograph is coincidentally made.

    Someone in the opposing camp sees it and suddenly I am a wife beater, or a molester because the angle does not make it clear that I am slapping a mosquito, that it is my wife or touching not slapping.

    The public seems to live a good scandal so once the seed is planted it mutates.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 7:38 AM
  • Well, looks like Diane Black has just helped me rule out a candidate. I am not sure who actually did the first attach ad. but the current one has her name on it so …….

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 12:20 PM
  • Well, well, well. Any of the 4 would be better than comrade Karl. They all claim to be pro Trump. Black claims to be strong on immigration, yet voted against the wall and for driver licenses for illegals. If she had been so supportive of Trump, why didn't he promote her candidacy when he was in Nashville for Marsha Blackburn? Boyd has an ad claiming to be for Trump showing a picture of him at the inauguration while Huckabee sings his praises, yet he was a Jeb delegate and idolizes Romney. Lee supports Megan, comrade Karl, and Uncle Phil. At least he used to give them money. When Beth distances herself from Washington ("I'll run TN the TN way, not the Washington way"), is she trying to get away from the swamp, or Trump? I don't know but suspect swamp. At least she has an impressive body of work at the state level. Right now my ranking is Harwell, Black, Lee/Boyd.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 1:25 PM
  • Steve,

    I did not question it as if I knew them as fact.

    I merely asked a question.

    Do you know them as other than facts?

    What constitutes an "attack ad"?

    Can someone point out their differences without being labeled an attacker?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 3:00 PM
  • That is a fair question Blessed. I find attack ads make assumptions from small bits of information and make accusations stating them as facts, when the "whole" story is often much different.

    If campaign ads and candidates were held more accountable for their statements, assumptions, accusations and loosely formed conclusions, I might see it more as a comparison statement, but they aren't and often take great liberty at stretching the truth/facts.

    I get turned off quickly when someone uses that tact and see them as "attack" ads. Just my opinion so your view is equally valid.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 8:52 PM
  • Steve,

    You seem to claim them as assumptions, accusations, and loosely formed conclusions.

    Where is the rebuttal from the opposition?

    Would not you defend something wrongfully spoke of you?

    Of course it is hard to rebut a trueful comparison but don't you think they should at least try if a truth was not spoken?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 9:45 AM
  • Has Black refuted the attack ad directed at her? https://www.tennessean.com/videos/news/politics/tn-elections/2018/05/23/attack-a... I think this ad is also an example of partial truths twisted to imply something more.

    I have heard many times that trying to refute something,can legitimize the charge even more, regardless of actual validity. Besides, there is just enough truth there (as with the above ad) to make it a he said/she said discussion.

    Either way, I turn off when I hear it which was my original point. Another "by the way", I am not the only one to think they are attack ads. An internet search will show some of that.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 1:51 PM
  • No I have not seen the ad being refuted. Perhaps the truth can't be effectively​ refuted. Her voting record is her voting record..... wouldn't you think.

    I think all candidates​ voting record should be published and I do not think it is an "attack on someone when their opposition displays it via an ad.

    I really have a hard time seeing how someone's published voting record could be construed as a he said / she said discussion.

    I think it is more of a nay or yay fact.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 3:31 PM
  • Very few, if any bills come to a vote clean. They usually have any number of “extras” tacked on so my question would be to see what was in the bill in its’ entirety.

    There could have been a greater evil in it, or the bill as stated was not what the ads leads readers to believe.

    I am so fed up with ads like this that I throw up and turn them off. At this times I cannot turn it off or I hear it before I can react.

    Needless to say ( and I have mentioned ot before ) During campaigning I just tune out and go to music or cable that has no ads.

    I also start wiping out the political ads on Facebook.

    After this discussion slows, I will not be talking politics until after the primaries. Maybe not even then.

    I start these posts and usually fade into the background. You have kept me in it Blessed by addressing me directly. Which is fine but if I can pull away don’t be surprised.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 5:16 PM
  • If during campaigning you " tune out and go to music or cable that has no ads " what do you rely on... a good coin toss at the voting booth?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 7:45 PM
  • During “primary” campaigning. If for some reason the primaries are critical, I will do research but After primaries I do in depth research of my own but not from ads if I can avoid them.

    Most of these potentials have merit so I have no major concern who wins

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jul 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM
  • Steve,

    I did see a rather kind and gentle rebuttal by Bill Lee this morning to an earlier "attack" ad on him.

    Thought he did a good job clarifying matters.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 2:59 PM
  • Did you see it in a place we can access or a TV/Radio ad?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 4:49 PM
  • It was a TV ad this morning. I am sure it will be played again.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 6:17 PM
  • I think I sww it a little while back on Channel 5. It was a classy rebuttal.

    Most business of any size will donate to both parties since you never know who will win and want to “get along” with local government.

    I had the feeling it might be a “mountain out of a mole hill” and think that even more now. I strongly dislike exagerations that are blown out of context and proportion.

    The generator of that ad lost my vote. I have too many other decent choices to support crap like that.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jul 12, 2018, at 8:30 PM
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