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Steve Mills

What SHOULD be done?

Posted Saturday, January 5, 2019, at 2:36 PM
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  • In all fairness, tie him to a chair and give the victim and her family one hour of quality time alone with him.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 2:41 PM
  • Sounds fair to me! Either that or put a no trespassing sign on the border and warn them that trespassers will be shot. That should stop most of it. And if the lawyers come down to save them arrest them for aiding the enemy - TREASON. That should take care of the money hungry deep state lawyers. All the men and women who want to invite the enemy into the USA, put them on the other side of the border to prove to them what they are dealing with and what their lives will be like among the rapists and druggies. Maybe they could hand out free water and sandwiches until they are murdered by the people in the caravans.

    The federal Government stops the States and the State Judges stop the Feds. Until Trump gets rid of all the corrupt gov employees and leaders...It's coming!

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM
  • What are we going to do about the enemies on this side of the border shooting up churches,schools and movie theaters etc? They aren't immigrants and we all know who is responsible for 9 out of 10 of those cases. Dumpty never mentions a shooting unless it is done by an immigrant even though americans do it almost daily. Instead these murderers are considered mentally ill by Dumpty and his sheep.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 6:39 PM
  • What about sentencing them according to their home country's standards, (unless they don't consider what they've done a crime of course)? Most countries I have read about have tougher penalties that we.

    But they don't get all the constitutional protections that citizens get, just bare bones law.

    Having been on the other side of the Southern Border, and knowing border agents and acquaintances who live there, I see some value to sui's idea to let those who see no need for border security "experience" the ambience.

    They would certainly learn why the illegals want to get across the border but maybe they would also understand that allowing that "ambience" to migrate here is NOT wise.

    I plan to start a post on "The Wall" so we can discuss that in more depth. What to do with those who get here, are illegal and violate our laws is what this is about.

    I truly understand these folks wanting to come to America. I understand that doing it legal is time consuming and a hassle. That is how one side of my family got here. The other side got here much earlier and I don't know if there were immigration laws, but maybe we should make it easier and/or raise the levels of immigrants allowed.

    If my family's safety was the issue, I would do what was necessary to escape the threat, but from the slightly "inside" info I get, that is not the main issue. It is mainly economic and there are organizations who encourage them and aid them to come to the US. For a fee of course.

    What are the motivations of these enablers? Some for the fees and some for other nefarious reasons.

    Then there are those who are escaping their own legal system or think they can ?make it rich" by working outside OUR legal system.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 7:05 PM
  • LBR, that is not the question. This seems like a deflection so can we presume you have no opinion on what should be done with illegals who commit violent crimes.

    Does the fact that he may have committed it against someone else who is an immigrant negate the importance of it? No solution? I would bet he would not care the nationality of his victim.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 7:35 PM
  • "What are we going to do about the enemies on this side of the border shooting up churches,schools and movie theaters etc? They aren't immigrants and we all know who is responsible for 9 out of 10 of those cases."

    Posted by unreal

    You mean the demoncrats? Same thing we should do with the illegals. Let them pack a parachute if they want, then load em up in a C130, fly over the border, then let them choose to jump or be pushed.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 7:40 AM
  • Hey fair share,

    I could get paid showing them how to pack their parachute since that is what I done in the military. I could rack up some money as long as they didn't find out I am a Sovereign and can allegedly leap over tall buildings and jump off of high buildings and fly like someone assumes.

    I think I could eliminate a few illegals just from what I have forgotten over the years, ROFLMAO. Nah! I wouldn't do that. They have to get jobs to help pay the government back for the Social Security I spend every month.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 5:20 PM
  • Hey sui,

    That's a great idea, free market at work! They probably wouldn't be asking for a receipt so the income could all be under the table. Now that sounds like a win-win-win situation. You-the illegals-the country.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 7:24 PM
  • fair share

    Watch it sucker! That almost makes me look like a He-row.

    Actually, that is better than a win-win-win situation.

    No matter how much they paid me, how they paid me, or when they paid me, as a sovereign, I wouldn't have to pay any taxes at all on it. It's Great being a Sovereign. Like Trump says, The IRS is operating unconstitutionally.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 9:23 PM
  • Build the wall and treat invaders the same as someone breaking into your house.

    Reinstate 287g. Start deporting illegals en masse.

    Pass laws requiring E-Verify for all employees and have a 10,000 fine per day, per person for every illegal being employed for the first offense. Second offense is a 10 year revocation of the business license.

    E-Verify for all government handouts as well.

    Declare English as the official language of the country and all official documentation be printed only in English. No ESL schoolteachers.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 9:46 PM
  • Now I agree with Q-Mike. The only thing I would suggest is to build a Little GITMO on the border, so when they commit a crime in the US, or entering illegally, they go to Little GITMO and do the time for their crime. When they serve their time they are deported back to where they came from. Everyone on the border will be able to view these Bad Boys in Little GITMO so they can decide where they want to go - Little GITMO or back home!

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 10:38 PM
  • The thing is, we have no say so over what goes with the Border Wall Game.

    Like I said before, Trump has the money to build the wall without The house voting for it.

    Trump's executive order gives Trump the authority to confiscate the assets of criminals he sends to prison.

    The El Chapo Act will provide Trump with 14 Billion Dollars for the wall.

    Also Ted Cruz told Trump he could save 50 Billion Dollars by pulling out of Afghanistan and stopping payments to them. Certainly they could get some Border Wall money out of $50 Billion.

    So it is just a very deadly game Trump and the Deep State are playing. However, Pelosi and Schumer are working with the Deep State on the Wall and on the Impeachment. This makes them both traitors for fighting Trump on National Security and not taking the lives of the people into account. Treason against the people also.

    So now, what will the Demos fight Trump about? They can't impeach him without the majority of votes in the Senate. All the democrats won by winning the House is a bad 2 years to come and a pocket full of easy money.

    If Trump pays for the wall with El Chapo's assets (Mexican Money) Donald builds the wall as promised and Paid by Mexican Money. A BIG Campaign promise fulfilled and will get him re-elected in 2020.

    Pelosi and Schumer look like they don't give a **** about American lives and thing more of the alien's, criminals and drug dealers' lives. That bad move won't get the democrats elected.

    There is a lot more where the El Chapo money came from. Most of that will go towards paying off the deficit unless Trump defaults on the fraudulent Gov. loan like he claimed he would.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 12:38 AM
  • The only thing I would suggest is to build a Little GITMO on the border, so when they commit a crime in the US, or entering illegally, they go to Little GITMO and do the time for their crime.-posted by Sui

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    While I understand the sentiment, why should we pay to house and feed them?

    Build a trebuchet and lauch them back over the wall. You could sell tickets to watch the launces, and folks who pay an upcharge could pull the lever.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM
  • I think we already have adequate laws for the illegal immigrant issue. What we don't seem to have is the will to enforce those laws. We have the means to enforce the law, but not the will. I would classify the situation as negligence.

    It amazes me how the political talking heads can convince people that common sense solutions won't work. A lack of critical thinking seems to be at the root, with a willingness to swallow whatever statistics are presented as long as it supports the narrative. The common sense solution I am talking about is a wall/fence which many say won't work. BS!! Of course walls and fences work!! That is why anyone who wants to control a border or boundary has one. Factories, farmers, amusement parks, concerts, prisons, lumber yards, military bases, airports, etc., etc., all use fence/wall borders effectively to control who, or what, enters or leaves. Is it 100% effective? No! No solution for border control is 100% effective. However, common sense should tell you that a fence or wall works!!

    A farmer who lets his fence fall into disrepair, is warned about his cattle getting out numerous times, then lets one of his cattle cause a wreck can be held liable for negligence. Why should it be any different when negligence to enforce the law results in an illegal alien causing death or property damage?

    The solution seems simple. Put the cow/illegal, back into a well fenced area where it belongs. Then, hold the negligent farmer/official liable for all damages. Punitive damages could also be awarded in the case of known cow/illegal running at large.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 6:54 PM
  • Good points Liveforlight. Add the employer that creates the "magnet" to the liability group

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 7:39 PM
  • quietmike,

    You have a good point, put your not thinking straight. The Democrats WANT the illegals in our country, so we could charge the Democrats each time they came to visit their precious illegals being held to pay for the fence and razor wire. I understand they LOVE their neighbors so much that they would be willing to bring them food and drinks so they don't suffer or starve to death. The Little GITMO would only cost the democrats some chain length fencing and razor wire.

    They lived like ungrateful Filthy pigs in Tijuana so they would fee right at home inside a fenced in GITMO Styled fence. Plus the democrats would be happy because the illegals are in America and you know the Democrats would make sure they fed them 3 meals a day.

    I think we would see what the democrats are really made of then!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:18 PM
  • Liveforlight, You would never be able to pull that one off. You are comparing illegals to cows. You will have the animal activist down your back. Can't blame them either. I would stand up for the our cows over the illegals.

    comes across the border from Mexico. Then Mexico would put a stop to it if they don't want to pay for the wall.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:49 PM
  • Sorry the last two lines didn't delete. Just agreeing with Liveforlight. If Mexico was charged so much per head for each illegal who comes across the Border from Mexico...Then Mexico would put a stop to it, if they don't want to pay for the wall.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:56 PM
  • Actually, Trump will put a wall up this year. If he doesn't he won't get re-elected.

    Trump is just waking the brain dead people up right now. He is keeping the gov shut down on purpose to make the democrats show their true colors and to prove the democrats don't care about the people.

    Listen to what the democrats are saying right now. They just took complete control of the House and are more interested in impeaching the sitting president on no charges than to protect our borders, Women and Children from Human Trafficking, Drugs and Crimes/Murders.

    When the people are awaken to these things that have been going on for years and turn against the Vultures, Then you will see Trump building the wall and arresting the Vultures and reporting their crimes.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 11:20 PM
  • Steve, it isn't just the employers that need to be demagnitized. The welfare state also needs it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 2:22 AM
  • If walls are ineffective, why did dems vote to fund walls in Jordan, Tunisia, Lebanon, and Eqypt?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 4:57 AM
  • Obama invited the illegals then built 7 walls around his house plus has security blocking the road to his house. Of course he needs it because he is a traitor to the USA. I'm surprised he still lives in America. He should be moving to GITMO. That will be his permanent residence. His and Michael's also.

    The people just can't see what their leaders have done to America.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 2:09 PM
  • Dumpty will go on TV tonight to try to put fear into Americans by lying them about the "big crisis".His sheep will fall for it since they believe anything he says.They should see by now that he lied to them about Mexico paying for the wall. If so that should tell them there would be no need to shut down the government. There is no crisis and no invasion.Sui what happened to the big caravan? Has not been mentioned by him since the election.His own DHS has disputed the 3000 terrorist came over the border lie. Those people came here by plane from countries of concern meaning countries that are hostile to America.If he declares a state of emergency it will go nowhere.

    Sui check this Dumpty lie out about the wall around Obama's house.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-obama-wall-773963/

    The fence along front of his house is the same as other neighbors houses in the neighborhood. Neighbors confirm the front of house is open to the street.

    There is going to be a crisis in America when 800,000 American families can not pay their mortgage,feed their children and health insurance collapse. Fulfilling a campaign promise is more important to him than helping hard working Americans.He can not relate to people who live paycheck to paycheck since he was born with a gold spoon in his mouth.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 6:23 PM
  • So what are you saying, unreal? It's ok for barry and michael to have a barrier to protect them, but we peasants can't? That is a little too elitist for me. The "it won't work" BS argument didn't stop the bummer's when it came to their own personal safety.

    But it is too bad that the dims are more concerned with keeping their campaign promise to resist and impeach Trump than they are in helping Americans like the dead cop in CA or the dead kid in Knoxville. Or paying government workers on time.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 7:58 PM
  • Dumpty will go on TV tonight to try to put fear into Americans by lying them about the "big crisis".gposted by lets be real

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    A laughable accusation, considering liberals are the henny pennys of the political world.

    An invasion isn't a crisis, but being expected to accept adult responsibility and support yourself is?

    The total federal budget last year was around 4 trillion dollars, with over 2/3 of that going to entitlement spending, all created by democrats, because they're to terrified to run their own lives.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 9:36 PM
  • lets be real,

    Do you see just how smart Trump is and how Stupid You are? I told everyone that Trump misspells word or says something that isn't true so the Main Stream Media will talk about his mistake , but unknowingly tell everyone what Trump wants them to tell the people.

    By says Hussein and Michael's wall was 10 feet tall, All the news medias reported that YES Obama DID have a wall around his property and even around back.

    Trump is a Genus and knows how to bait the MSM to say what he wants them to report.

    Re-read You comment and see just how detailed your account is of Obama's wall around his property.

    Trump was making sure the people knew that Obama had a wall around his property but America doesn't need a wall - according to Pelosi and Chuckie.

    Please tell me, lets be real, when you have ever seen a Hard Working Government Employee! They will all get their back pay when they go back to work - if Trump doesn't shut down their Job permanently.

    lets be real, I have been telling people they need to prepare for an emergency with no water, power, food, gas and jobs before the government shut down. What part of that didn't YOU read.

    800,000 people without jobs? Think BIGGER - 322 MILLION People out of work if the deep state tries to destroy America when Trump starts arresting them.

    lets be real, I was a hard working American when Tennessee brought the Mexicans into Tennessee and they took my jobs away because they would work for less. I had to live without a job to buy thanksgiving dinner and no Christmas that year. Contractors had no loyalty what so ever. They wanted to save that almighty dollar by hiring the Mexicans.

    If I had to do it so can the gov. employees. They are LUCKY, the Mexicans don't get their jobs.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 11:45 PM
  • Dumpty stood there like a statue last night reading a script,he is unable to show empathy for Americans hardships. Sui people hire them because they work for less, you are right that is why Dumpty hires them at his hotels.Then they threaten them with deportation if they talk.

    I see him and his gang of merry republican men, even Mitch came out of hiding, walked out of talks with Democrats today. Why didn't these same republican men get this job done in the last 2 years?They controlled both houses.Now all of a sudden it is a rush and a crisis.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 4:57 PM
  • Trump is flexing his muscles. He is showing the deep state and their two partners - Pelosi and Schumer that trump is going to do what Trump wants to do to take down the democrats with the Deep State until the people wake up and realize what this battle is all about. You are so simple minded that you don't know what trump is fighting for. You are so filled with hate towards Trump that you can't see what Trump is doing for YOU and Every American in this country, including legal immigrants!

    The United States American Red Cross in Haiti, rounded up the lost and misplaced and injured children and buses them to the Clinton Foundation to begin their long journey into Human Trafficking and Prostitution, never to return to their parents or a normal life.

    This goes on at the Mexican Border as well, just uses other US Agencies. The women and children go into human Trafficking when they cross the border into the U.S.. Most of the time they don't eve reach the U.S. Border before they are snatched up and placed in the human Trafficking system.

    Trump has been working all year arresting these Human Trafficking people and returning all the children they can, which is very few by the time they close in on them.

    They are not prejudice. They steal boys and girls between 3 years old to 21 years old and young women of any age and race. Is that what you want with any OPEN Border? A wall will stop Human Trafficking as well as the criminals and drugs coming in.

    Is 5 Billion Dollars too much to spend to protect all those Latin Children who can not defend themselves?

    There are people in this country (and every other country) who will snatch a child out of the arms of an unsuspecting woman who is shopping in broad day light and drive away before the mother can do anything about it. Very few are caught. Your child just disappears.

    We like to think we are save in this country but we are not. It now happens in the U.S. because we refuse to believe things that horrible doesn't happen in the U.S.. It happens and Trump is the first president who has taken the time in his busy schedule of running the country to go after these kidnappers and the children.

    Catching the Kidnappers is the easy part but finding the children is almost impossible, because they are sold to all the countries and individuals in the first day to two. Some children go into prostitution. Over children are sold for Satanic Ceremonies where they are sacrificed and eaten.

    Think about this when you talk about Trump not doing anything good for the people or trying to Make America Great Again.

    As sicking as all this sounds and is, You people who refuse to believe this is going on in the United States of America make me sick! People doing this range from the Pope to the Queen of England, U.S. Presidents, Congressmen, Senators, CEOs of Huge Corporations like Disney Land/World,and the Movie Industry. And you though groping and sexual abuse of women at work was bad. At least they are not tortured and Eaten by the Rich and Famous.

    Think about this while you are sleeping in your comfortable bed at night, only because Trump is doing whatever he can to protect you from the evils in the Dark.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 8:43 PM
  • "Walls don't work"

    Us prison population in 2003 ~2,300,000

    Us prison escapes in 2003 -2,001

    For those who aren't very good with math that's .087%

    Seems to work better than almost anything government does.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 8:21 AM
  • I say when they commit a crime in the good old USA, Like crossing the border illegally,throw them in prison where the walls are. They like to crash thru walls, Let them try to scale or crash thru those walls, ROFLMAO

    What it would cost to house them in a U.S. prison would cost less then the life of our family members. Republican or Democrat, White or Black or Brown or any other color you want to paint people.

    I was under the understanding that color isn't suppose to matter, so why do we refer to people by their color? Is it political that we only refer to people's color when democrats and Governments are making Racist remarks to the republicans?

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM
  • Now sui,you know it is perfectly ok for the dims to use whatever language that they want when they are spewing their racist hate speech towards us. They get to point out color to us, that's just the world we live in.

    And we live in a world where many people seem to be allergic to common sense. It is laughable that people say a wall(fence/barrier/pick your term) doesn't work. Does it work absolutely 100% of the time? No. Quietmike pointed out the prison escape rate of .087%. Not .000%, but awfully close. Good enough for government work! Anyway, China built a wall over 2 thousand years ago, and they still don't have any Mexicans coming over it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:41 AM
  • Sorry, I had to laugh on that last line. Think China could build us a wall in time to stop the Mexicans?

    Tuberculosis, Flu, Measles, Polio like illnesses, Hepatitis, Infections rampant as the number of sick migrants surge at border.

    It is so bad, Hospitals are restricting Visitors all around the U.S. to keep diseases from spreading.

    It may be too late for a wall now. I saw THAT coming months ago.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:50 AM
  • And if anyone still thinks a wall won't work, I would suggest you go talk to Dale Earnhardt and see what he has to say about that.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 1:05 AM
  • Trump is asking for 5.7 billion out of a 4.407 trillion dollar budget for the wall.

    If your family had a 44,070 income, it would be like your spouse saying no one is going to work and no bills are being paid until you give up the silly notion of spending $57 on fencing in the backyard.

    That's what democrats are complaining about.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM
  • The hard part is figuring out if the Prison Wall argument is meant to be facetious. If you hadn't gone to the trouble to perform math on irrelevant data, I would be completely convinced it was intended as a joke.

    I could point out that there is no functional comparison between a prison wall and a border wall. But, it would probably be more to the point to ask if you are aware that prisons are no longer built with walls? None of Tennessee's maximum security prisons have walls... only chain link fences. Behind prison walls is becoming a figure of speech as the old prisons slowly blink out of existence.... Just as Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary with walls is now a tourist attraction, and the new maximum security Morgan County Correctional facility is surrounded by only chain link fence. So, your escape figures, if they have any meaning at all, only go to prove that literal walls are an outdated method of controlling movement. It is sort of like Trump's goofy photo op, showing him with an array of contraband.... all of which had been seized at ports of entry, and not out in the desert. Was his intention to make the argument that we need to build a wall somewhere other than where contraband actually enters the country or was his intention to highlight how pointless his wall would be?

    What is really surreal is that we find ourselves in an idiotic stalemate over a silly campaign slogan come to life. It serves only to highlight the lack of leadership in America today. The Democrats have only the same old tired losers, and what decent people the Republicans had to offer have retired, rather than try to deal with the the extremists that now control the party. The argument that a wall is somehow "immoral" is ridiculous. Stupid, pointless, and a waste of resources, sure. But how it becomes a moral issue is beyond me. We have no responsibility to take on every poor person in the world, whose own country is failing. I understand being sympathetic, but it is like stray cats... they are cute, but we can't take them all in (sorry, Steve). And it serves to illustrate the point that Trump is neither a dealmaker, nor a leader. He had a "deal", and reneged over the fear that he would lose the adulation of his "base." He only tells his loyal fans what they want to hear, and does what they demand. A real leader would find commonsense compromise solutions, and sell them to the population. Instead, we find ourselves in this costly and damaging stalemate. No wonder Russia wanted to see him in the White House.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:49 AM
  • "The Democrats have only the same old tired losers"

    Posted by lazarus

    Not true, laz. They have some new tired losers too. I've heard that AOC wants to repeal Roe v Wade so the Mexicans can choose which way they want to illegally enter.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:09 PM
  • Leave it to Lazarus to fixate on a bit of minutiae to avoid addressing the issue.

    Wall, fence, levee, whatever you want to call it.

    A real physical barrier of some sort.

    Everyone understands why liberals want a "virtual barrier" instead of a real, physical one.

    A "virtual barrier" comprised of drones, sensors, and the like is only one election away from being turned off.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 8:23 PM
  • It is sort of like Trump's goofy photo op, showing him with an array of contraband.... all of which had been seized at ports of entry, and not out in the desert. Was his intention to make the argument that we need to build a wall somewhere other than where contraband actually enters the country or was his intention to highlight how pointless his wall would be?

    -- Posted by Lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:49 AM

    Looks like to me you're missing the obvious here Lazarus. The contraband was seized at the point of entry. Obviously, the point is; If we had more control on the points of entry, we would capture more contraband. Unless, of course, you think contraband is not entering through the open desert.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:06 PM
  • Come on Liveforlight,

    Everyone knows drunk drivers only frequent roadblocks.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:29 PM
  • quite mike; and they dont put roadblocks in the middle of the desert, either.... wonder why that is???

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:12 PM
  • Obviously they know that all the illegals will try to sneak thru the roadblocks at the ports of entry.

    But on the off chance 1 or 2 might decide to try to avoid where they know people are looking for them and try to cross in the middle of nowhere, some sort of barrier would be nice.

    Since so many people are getting their feelings beyond butthurt about this, maybe it would be better to forget about the wall. Instead, we could build guard posts every hundred yards or so and man each with 2 guards. One could have a 50 caliber machine gun and the other a sniper rifle.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:58 PM
  • It is not "point" of entry, it is "Port" of Entry. Ports of Entry are any transportation system ingress into the US from outside the national borders, whether it is roads, airports, or harbors. And no, significant amounts of contraband are not entering across the open desert. Smugglers are not stupid. Crossing the open desert is a long and difficult task. Crossing into Texas has the added challenge of crossing the Rio Grande. The simple truth is, the volume of materials one person can transport (including necessary water and food) is very limited. Any material sent across the open desert is at far greater risk of detection than materials passing thru the Ports of Entry, where people and materials are supposed to be crossing the border.... There are 28 Ports of Entry on the Texas/Mexico border. I found the Customs data for the crossings at 12 of those Ports of Entry for 2017: 86,369 buses, 17,200,220 pedestrians, 34,580,524 passenger vehicles, 9,912 trains, and 4,161,049 tractor trailers. That means every day there was an average of 237 buses, 47,124 pedestrians, 94,741 passenger vehicles, 27 trains, and 11,400 tractor trailers crossing the border at Ports of Entry. And that was at only 12 of the 28 Ports of entry... It is a simple matter of logistics. Where would you try to get contraband across the border? On the backs of peons making an exposed crossing over miles of desert, where every person caught trying to cross is apprehended, or lost in a mass of vehicular and foot traffic, where almost all of them are allowed to pass? And, if you wanted to stem the flow of contraband, where would you focus your resources?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:35 AM
  • Lazarus,

    I asked you earlier and you never answered if the airports didn't have walls and just asked everyone nicely to report to the magnetometer for security screening, would you consider that adequate?

    As to why there are no roadblocks in the desert, it's because there is no physical barriers to funnel them to those roadblocks.

    At your ports of entry, where pedestrians and vehicles are checked are there physical barriers around them?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:42 AM
  • Wouldn't the assumption be that the wall would be manned, Fare? Do you actually believe it would stop anything if it weren't? It would be a lot cheaper just to have the guardposts... as you point out, they would be just as effective without the wall. It might be cheaper still to use 21st century technology, rather than 12th century technology, and use electronic surveillance to send mobile guardposts to where people are approaching the border....

    And, as far as your "Roadblocks" at the Ports of Entry...have you ever heard of the FAST Pass or SENTRI Pass programs? Do you think all those vehicles are actually being stopped and inspected at the border? Do you have any idea how easy it really is to carry contraband past customs?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:50 AM
  • Walls(or physical barriers to satisfy Lazarus) are the most cost effective form of security.

    Unlike tech they don't require updates, new programming, upgrades, or replacement power storage.

    Jim Acosta visited an unmanned wall and remarked on how nothing was happening anywhere around it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 3:19 AM
  • Having spent quite a bit of time in south Texas near the border I can tell you that contraband crosses the border every day. The local border patrol told us that when we see someone walking through our area to not confront them especially if they are wearing backpacks. They told us if they are carrying backpacks they are most likely drug mules and will be armed and prepared to shoot.

    These aren't just poor Mexicans trying to cross. There are also enemies of the U.S. crossing these open areas. Here is a video of a border patrol agent with Trump explaining this issue. You won't see this on the evening news.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0YNjavV0M

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 7:54 AM
  • Knowing these blogs often degrade into a quagmire of fruitless comments, I will just answer the Question "What should be done?" and call it quits.

    The laws says we have a border. The law says there are requirements to enter the U.S. legally. "What should be done" is ENFORCE THE LAW, using any and all means necessary, including physical barriers. Anything less is negligence on the part of our government.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM
  • Yes, laz, my assumption would be that the wall would be manned. Whether a concrete or metal wall, chicken wire and concertina (electrified) fence, or a line of people standing shoulder to shoulder, we need some sort of physical barrier and people ready to double tap with a precious metal(Pb) the invaders so we can funnel the mass of protoplasm through the designated ports of entry. And then search them and make them prove that they have permission to be here before we let them in. We could also slap an ankle bracelet on them before we set them loose. Maybe fix it to blow the leg off if it is tampered with or they stay too long.

    And, no, laz, I don't have any personal experience with moving contraband through a port of entry, so I guess I'll just have to defer to your judgment on the ease of doing it.🤔😁

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 9:56 AM
  • I wonder why none of the big farms use tech such as drones or sensors to keep the animals where they need to be rather than fences?

    Since the tech solution is more effective and cheaper.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 9:26 PM
  • Really QM, Now penning cattle is analogous to border security? How about screens? we use window screens to keep out flies. Maybe we could just put up a really big screen.

    Reading the various comments (so we can funnel the mass of protoplasm through the designated ports of entry. And then search them and make them prove that they have permission to be here before we let them in)(Walls(or physical barriers to satisfy Lazarus) are the most cost effective form of security) I realize that strong opinions are not an indication of any idea what is actually going on. Once again, check out the FAST Pass and SENTRI Pass programs... We are not searching everyone who comes thru the Ports of Entry. We are searching very few of them. And yes, Fare, in my wild and dissolute youth I have moved contraband through Ports of Entry. Something I would not admit, except the statute of limitations has expired many times over. A wall would not be the most cost effective way to protect the border with Mexico. That border is just less than 2,000 miles long, with about 580 miles of wall (in urban areas). A wall across open desert would have to be supported by either regular guardposts or technology, basically the same support that is needed to monitor the open desert without a wall. The wall is simply an additional expense, providing no additional protection. Do I think we need to do more to secure the border? Emphatically YES. Blowing $5 billion on a campaign stunt does not give us a more secure border.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:31 AM
  • Lazarus says a wall isn't more cost effective.

    Congress spent 62 billion on border security in 2013 on the "better, cheaper" tech solutions to the border crisis, and we're still having a border crisis.

    So less than 10% of that spending package is "money wasted".

    Only in the goofy world of liberalism.

    It's worth noting LAZARUS dodged my airport question AGAIN.

    But liberals always focus on irrelevant minutiae to avoid addressing the real issues.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 8:39 AM
  • WHILE EVERYONE FOCUSES ON THE WALL, TRUMP JUST CRIPPLED THE GLOBAL BANKING CARTEL!

    Obama nominated Jim Yong Kim of China as the new President of the World Bank Group.

    Now that Trump is in office Jim Yong Kim is stepping down. That means Trump will be able to put who ever he wants to in the presidential chair of the World Bank. This will bring the shut down of the Central Banks much quicker, the Federal Reserve (which isn't Federal at all) and the IMF and the 2019 Recession coming in September or October.

    The illegals are coming to America and don't understand that Trump has shut down the Human Traffickers and soon the Federal Reserve and the Central Banks that will cause a Recession in America. Food Stamps and aid to dependent children is unconstitutional and will be done away with when Trump Protects our constitutional rights that all the women were afraid they were going to lose.

    With or without the Border Wall, the Mexicans will continue to come in the U.S. and the Business owners will hire them because they will work for less. When they get paid, they send the U.S. Dollars home to Mexico. Now Mexico has the U.S. Dollars and the U.S. has to print more U.S. Dollars to replace the missing dollars.

    The deficit rises and the value of the dollar declines, which in turn raises the cost of living and everything else.

    Americans are going to pay not matter which way things go as long as we let foreigners come in and run our country. Not all foreigners are patriotic citizens and would like to change America, JUST LIKE OBAMA DID!

    Are you prepared for the Marshal Law, Mass Arrests, Power Outage due to riots, Shut down of the Central Banks and the coming Recession? Wake Up People! Look at what the Gov. Shutdown has caused in just two weeks, and that just affects a small amount people. What Trump is doing is going World Wide. Not trying to scare you, just prepare you.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:18 PM
  • Oh yeah! As for the Border Wall, Trump has everything under control. He can stop the shut down any time he wants to, but why shut down the shut down when he is going to shut down some gov. agencies permanently.

    Perfect time to do his Mass Arrests while the gov. is shutdown, don't you think?

    Why is everyone crying? Don't these people have parents or children they can turn to for food or a basement living quarters until hey get their back pay?

    If all the Christians believe that God will protect them from the Anti-Christ and keep them safe during the Trials and Tribulations when they will have to have the Mark of the Beast to buy or sell... Where's the Beef? lol.

    Everyone believes in God and everyone believes they are going to heaven, so I just don't understand the problem?

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM
  • Another mass arrest prediction?

    Are the odds for this one better than the one for most of congress getting arrested?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 4:09 PM
  • QM; The amount of money it costs is not what makes it a waste. Being useless is what makes it a waste. As you wall supporters yourselves say, it will not work without being manned. Well, out in the desert, where you can see anyone approaching for hours (or days), and anyone you see has no business crossing, the manpower would be enough to do the job without the wall. The wall is simply a wasted expenditure, use the $5 billion for more manpower.

    I am not ducking the silly questions. Airports, prisons, cow pastures, they are unrelated to border walls. What is there to duck when you make irrelevant connections? Of the three, at least airports are a different form of Port of Entry... and Ports of entry have barriers to move people in an orderly manner.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 8:20 PM
  • You claim walls are ineffective then dodge examples showing effective walls in use everyday, saying they're meaningless examples. Just as you claimed examples of Trump's success as meaningless, even though they're the same metrics you used to laud Obama as a sucessful president.

    And you wonder why folks say you're a liberal.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 9:24 PM
  • QM; your specious "examples" have nothing to do with the function of a border wall. Prisons, cow pastures, and airports are not desert borders... Why not add retaining walls, which hold back dirt, and the walls of your house, which keep the inside climate different than the outside climate (keeping out rodents requires additional measures!). The second part leaves me puzzled. Please show me any example of praising Obama, much less praising him for the same "metrics" that are not something the president controls.... And, to be honest, "folks" don't call me a liberal. Pretty much just you, and I don't think the word has any actual meaning as you use it, but is just a random pejorative.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 11:31 AM
  • Lazarus, a wall(fence, barrier), of any kind, has one function, keeping things separated. Where it's used is irrelevant, as the only difference is what is being separated. If it's a bank vault, it's to keep valuables separated from those who would take them. If it's a divided paper plate, it's to keep your turnip greens separated from your mashed potatoes. If it's a levee, its to keep water separate from areas you want to keep dry.

    I find it odd the function of physical barriers has to be explained, but it is what it is.

    If tech solutions would be cheaper and work better than a physical wall on the southern border, then tech would be even easier to use on a farm since cows have less cognitive ability than humans, at least most of us.

    Your claim is that tech solutions are more effective and cheaper than a physical barrier.

    I've pointed out that many times the amount being requested for a wall has already been spent on the tech solutions and obviously it was no solution at all.

    Yes, even with a wall (barrier, fence, etc.) there will still need to be a human presence. But with a wall (barrier, fence, etc.) fewer people would be needed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 10:36 PM
  • Here's one for the record. The truckers are ****** at the gov. for the electronic Logs they have to keep. Makes their job a living hell.

    They are planning a strike in April if the gov. doesn't change it. this would be a FAST week or two of no deliveries for daily supplies. No Postal mail, no groceries, no gas, no auto supplies. no anything that trucks transport. Yes, that means the Banks will close also because the trucks won't be delivering money to banks.

    This would big a bigger disaster than the gov shutdown because it would effect everyone in the USA.

    Just saying?

    You have to know what is going on around you.

    Another reason to get prepared for a disaster. This one would be worse than a Hurricane or tornado except for the damage, because people don't think no food, water, groceries and jobs would effect how they live. Oh well, life goes on.

    Don't get scared, buy up supplies. Take some money out of the bank to get you thru a couple weeks, just incase you can find something to buy. - Hey, you can always use them when the next one hits. So far I have heard Gov. shutdown NOW and also maybe continued for months, Trucker's strike in April, Recession in Sept-Nov., and power outage from Mass arrests at anytime this year.

    It's all a game, but is it FUN? I even heard of an alien attack from space this year. However, this will be a fake invasion, so don't pay any attention to it.

    The biggest threat this year will be the Democrats and the Deep State.

    Now, I ask you, how do you build a wall to protect us from these life threatening conditions? There is no protection from them, no more than there is for a mass shooting. We just have to wake up and prepare for our own safety, whatever it is. Good Night everyone!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 10:48 PM
  • Hold on, quietmike; lazarus may be on to something. If we got high tech enough, maybe we could do without a human presence on the border. Once Space Force gets up and going, they could have a continual death ray painted along the entire length of the border. That should keep them out. But it will be a while before we can get that high tech.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 15, 2019, at 12:35 AM
  • If the democrats don't come yp with the Money for the wall in another 5 days, Trump can invoke a RIF "Reduction In Force" after gov has been shut down for 30 Days. That means Trump can shut down any gov agency for any length of time or forever after the gov has been shut down for 30 days. Trump is keeping the gov. shut down so all fingers will point to the democrats for keeping the gov. shut down.

    Tell me Trump isn't sly. I told everyone we needed a business man as the president back in 2016. He knows how to contract and break contracts and is friends with every Country, and won't back down. See how he is controlling the democrats and the people? And the thing is, he has the money for the wall, he just wants the people to see how the democrats should take the blame for no wall or our security.

    In stead - Trump spent the weekend in Washington, willing to work on a compromise to end the partial government shutdown, as about 30 Democrats headed south for a winter retreat in Puerto Rico. Fingers should point at them.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 2:20 AM
  • Trump should pay for the wall by fining all the people who don't want it...

    like obama did with obamacare.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 8:47 PM
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