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Steve Mills

What SHOULD be done?

Posted Saturday, January 5, 2019, at 2:36 PM
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  • In all fairness, tie him to a chair and give the victim and her family one hour of quality time alone with him.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 2:41 PM
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    Sounds fair to me! Either that or put a no trespassing sign on the border and warn them that trespassers will be shot. That should stop most of it. And if the lawyers come down to save them arrest them for aiding the enemy - TREASON. That should take care of the money hungry deep state lawyers. All the men and women who want to invite the enemy into the USA, put them on the other side of the border to prove to them what they are dealing with and what their lives will be like among the rapists and druggies. Maybe they could hand out free water and sandwiches until they are murdered by the people in the caravans.

    The federal Government stops the States and the State Judges stop the Feds. Until Trump gets rid of all the corrupt gov employees and leaders...It's coming!

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 5:49 PM
  • What are we going to do about the enemies on this side of the border shooting up churches,schools and movie theaters etc? They aren't immigrants and we all know who is responsible for 9 out of 10 of those cases. Dumpty never mentions a shooting unless it is done by an immigrant even though americans do it almost daily. Instead these murderers are considered mentally ill by Dumpty and his sheep.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 6:39 PM
  • What about sentencing them according to their home country's standards, (unless they don't consider what they've done a crime of course)? Most countries I have read about have tougher penalties that we.

    But they don't get all the constitutional protections that citizens get, just bare bones law.

    Having been on the other side of the Southern Border, and knowing border agents and acquaintances who live there, I see some value to sui's idea to let those who see no need for border security "experience" the ambience.

    They would certainly learn why the illegals want to get across the border but maybe they would also understand that allowing that "ambience" to migrate here is NOT wise.

    I plan to start a post on "The Wall" so we can discuss that in more depth. What to do with those who get here, are illegal and violate our laws is what this is about.

    I truly understand these folks wanting to come to America. I understand that doing it legal is time consuming and a hassle. That is how one side of my family got here. The other side got here much earlier and I don't know if there were immigration laws, but maybe we should make it easier and/or raise the levels of immigrants allowed.

    If my family's safety was the issue, I would do what was necessary to escape the threat, but from the slightly "inside" info I get, that is not the main issue. It is mainly economic and there are organizations who encourage them and aid them to come to the US. For a fee of course.

    What are the motivations of these enablers? Some for the fees and some for other nefarious reasons.

    Then there are those who are escaping their own legal system or think they can ?make it rich" by working outside OUR legal system.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 7:05 PM
  • LBR, that is not the question. This seems like a deflection so can we presume you have no opinion on what should be done with illegals who commit violent crimes.

    Does the fact that he may have committed it against someone else who is an immigrant negate the importance of it? No solution? I would bet he would not care the nationality of his victim.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 5, 2019, at 7:35 PM
  • "What are we going to do about the enemies on this side of the border shooting up churches,schools and movie theaters etc? They aren't immigrants and we all know who is responsible for 9 out of 10 of those cases."

    Posted by unreal

    You mean the demoncrats? Same thing we should do with the illegals. Let them pack a parachute if they want, then load em up in a C130, fly over the border, then let them choose to jump or be pushed.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 7:40 AM
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    Hey fair share,

    I could get paid showing them how to pack their parachute since that is what I done in the military. I could rack up some money as long as they didn't find out I am a Sovereign and can allegedly leap over tall buildings and jump off of high buildings and fly like someone assumes.

    I think I could eliminate a few illegals just from what I have forgotten over the years, ROFLMAO. Nah! I wouldn't do that. They have to get jobs to help pay the government back for the Social Security I spend every month.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 5:20 PM
  • Hey sui,

    That's a great idea, free market at work! They probably wouldn't be asking for a receipt so the income could all be under the table. Now that sounds like a win-win-win situation. You-the illegals-the country.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 7:24 PM
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    fair share

    Watch it sucker! That almost makes me look like a He-row.

    Actually, that is better than a win-win-win situation.

    No matter how much they paid me, how they paid me, or when they paid me, as a sovereign, I wouldn't have to pay any taxes at all on it. It's Great being a Sovereign. Like Trump says, The IRS is operating unconstitutionally.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 9:23 PM
  • Build the wall and treat invaders the same as someone breaking into your house.

    Reinstate 287g. Start deporting illegals en masse.

    Pass laws requiring E-Verify for all employees and have a 10,000 fine per day, per person for every illegal being employed for the first offense. Second offense is a 10 year revocation of the business license.

    E-Verify for all government handouts as well.

    Declare English as the official language of the country and all official documentation be printed only in English. No ESL schoolteachers.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 9:46 PM
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    Now I agree with Q-Mike. The only thing I would suggest is to build a Little GITMO on the border, so when they commit a crime in the US, or entering illegally, they go to Little GITMO and do the time for their crime. When they serve their time they are deported back to where they came from. Everyone on the border will be able to view these Bad Boys in Little GITMO so they can decide where they want to go - Little GITMO or back home!

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 6, 2019, at 10:38 PM
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    The thing is, we have no say so over what goes with the Border Wall Game.

    Like I said before, Trump has the money to build the wall without The house voting for it.

    Trump's executive order gives Trump the authority to confiscate the assets of criminals he sends to prison.

    The El Chapo Act will provide Trump with 14 Billion Dollars for the wall.

    Also Ted Cruz told Trump he could save 50 Billion Dollars by pulling out of Afghanistan and stopping payments to them. Certainly they could get some Border Wall money out of $50 Billion.

    So it is just a very deadly game Trump and the Deep State are playing. However, Pelosi and Schumer are working with the Deep State on the Wall and on the Impeachment. This makes them both traitors for fighting Trump on National Security and not taking the lives of the people into account. Treason against the people also.

    So now, what will the Demos fight Trump about? They can't impeach him without the majority of votes in the Senate. All the democrats won by winning the House is a bad 2 years to come and a pocket full of easy money.

    If Trump pays for the wall with El Chapo's assets (Mexican Money) Donald builds the wall as promised and Paid by Mexican Money. A BIG Campaign promise fulfilled and will get him re-elected in 2020.

    Pelosi and Schumer look like they don't give a **** about American lives and thing more of the alien's, criminals and drug dealers' lives. That bad move won't get the democrats elected.

    There is a lot more where the El Chapo money came from. Most of that will go towards paying off the deficit unless Trump defaults on the fraudulent Gov. loan like he claimed he would.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 12:38 AM
  • The only thing I would suggest is to build a Little GITMO on the border, so when they commit a crime in the US, or entering illegally, they go to Little GITMO and do the time for their crime.-posted by Sui

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    While I understand the sentiment, why should we pay to house and feed them?

    Build a trebuchet and lauch them back over the wall. You could sell tickets to watch the launces, and folks who pay an upcharge could pull the lever.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 6:14 PM
  • I think we already have adequate laws for the illegal immigrant issue. What we don't seem to have is the will to enforce those laws. We have the means to enforce the law, but not the will. I would classify the situation as negligence.

    It amazes me how the political talking heads can convince people that common sense solutions won't work. A lack of critical thinking seems to be at the root, with a willingness to swallow whatever statistics are presented as long as it supports the narrative. The common sense solution I am talking about is a wall/fence which many say won't work. BS!! Of course walls and fences work!! That is why anyone who wants to control a border or boundary has one. Factories, farmers, amusement parks, concerts, prisons, lumber yards, military bases, airports, etc., etc., all use fence/wall borders effectively to control who, or what, enters or leaves. Is it 100% effective? No! No solution for border control is 100% effective. However, common sense should tell you that a fence or wall works!!

    A farmer who lets his fence fall into disrepair, is warned about his cattle getting out numerous times, then lets one of his cattle cause a wreck can be held liable for negligence. Why should it be any different when negligence to enforce the law results in an illegal alien causing death or property damage?

    The solution seems simple. Put the cow/illegal, back into a well fenced area where it belongs. Then, hold the negligent farmer/official liable for all damages. Punitive damages could also be awarded in the case of known cow/illegal running at large.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 6:54 PM
  • Good points Liveforlight. Add the employer that creates the "magnet" to the liability group

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 7:39 PM
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    quietmike,

    You have a good point, put your not thinking straight. The Democrats WANT the illegals in our country, so we could charge the Democrats each time they came to visit their precious illegals being held to pay for the fence and razor wire. I understand they LOVE their neighbors so much that they would be willing to bring them food and drinks so they don't suffer or starve to death. The Little GITMO would only cost the democrats some chain length fencing and razor wire.

    They lived like ungrateful Filthy pigs in Tijuana so they would fee right at home inside a fenced in GITMO Styled fence. Plus the democrats would be happy because the illegals are in America and you know the Democrats would make sure they fed them 3 meals a day.

    I think we would see what the democrats are really made of then!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:18 PM
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    Liveforlight, You would never be able to pull that one off. You are comparing illegals to cows. You will have the animal activist down your back. Can't blame them either. I would stand up for the our cows over the illegals.

    comes across the border from Mexico. Then Mexico would put a stop to it if they don't want to pay for the wall.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:49 PM
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    Sorry the last two lines didn't delete. Just agreeing with Liveforlight. If Mexico was charged so much per head for each illegal who comes across the Border from Mexico...Then Mexico would put a stop to it, if they don't want to pay for the wall.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 10:56 PM
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    Actually, Trump will put a wall up this year. If he doesn't he won't get re-elected.

    Trump is just waking the brain dead people up right now. He is keeping the gov shut down on purpose to make the democrats show their true colors and to prove the democrats don't care about the people.

    Listen to what the democrats are saying right now. They just took complete control of the House and are more interested in impeaching the sitting president on no charges than to protect our borders, Women and Children from Human Trafficking, Drugs and Crimes/Murders.

    When the people are awaken to these things that have been going on for years and turn against the Vultures, Then you will see Trump building the wall and arresting the Vultures and reporting their crimes.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 7, 2019, at 11:20 PM
  • Steve, it isn't just the employers that need to be demagnitized. The welfare state also needs it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 2:22 AM
  • If walls are ineffective, why did dems vote to fund walls in Jordan, Tunisia, Lebanon, and Eqypt?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 4:57 AM
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    Obama invited the illegals then built 7 walls around his house plus has security blocking the road to his house. Of course he needs it because he is a traitor to the USA. I'm surprised he still lives in America. He should be moving to GITMO. That will be his permanent residence. His and Michael's also.

    The people just can't see what their leaders have done to America.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 2:09 PM
  • Dumpty will go on TV tonight to try to put fear into Americans by lying them about the "big crisis".His sheep will fall for it since they believe anything he says.They should see by now that he lied to them about Mexico paying for the wall. If so that should tell them there would be no need to shut down the government. There is no crisis and no invasion.Sui what happened to the big caravan? Has not been mentioned by him since the election.His own DHS has disputed the 3000 terrorist came over the border lie. Those people came here by plane from countries of concern meaning countries that are hostile to America.If he declares a state of emergency it will go nowhere.

    Sui check this Dumpty lie out about the wall around Obama's house.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-obama-wall-773963/

    The fence along front of his house is the same as other neighbors houses in the neighborhood. Neighbors confirm the front of house is open to the street.

    There is going to be a crisis in America when 800,000 American families can not pay their mortgage,feed their children and health insurance collapse. Fulfilling a campaign promise is more important to him than helping hard working Americans.He can not relate to people who live paycheck to paycheck since he was born with a gold spoon in his mouth.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 6:23 PM
  • So what are you saying, unreal? It's ok for barry and michael to have a barrier to protect them, but we peasants can't? That is a little too elitist for me. The "it won't work" BS argument didn't stop the bummer's when it came to their own personal safety.

    But it is too bad that the dims are more concerned with keeping their campaign promise to resist and impeach Trump than they are in helping Americans like the dead cop in CA or the dead kid in Knoxville. Or paying government workers on time.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 7:58 PM
  • Dumpty will go on TV tonight to try to put fear into Americans by lying them about the "big crisis".gposted by lets be real

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    A laughable accusation, considering liberals are the henny pennys of the political world.

    An invasion isn't a crisis, but being expected to accept adult responsibility and support yourself is?

    The total federal budget last year was around 4 trillion dollars, with over 2/3 of that going to entitlement spending, all created by democrats, because they're to terrified to run their own lives.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 9:36 PM
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    lets be real,

    Do you see just how smart Trump is and how Stupid You are? I told everyone that Trump misspells word or says something that isn't true so the Main Stream Media will talk about his mistake , but unknowingly tell everyone what Trump wants them to tell the people.

    By says Hussein and Michael's wall was 10 feet tall, All the news medias reported that YES Obama DID have a wall around his property and even around back.

    Trump is a Genus and knows how to bait the MSM to say what he wants them to report.

    Re-read You comment and see just how detailed your account is of Obama's wall around his property.

    Trump was making sure the people knew that Obama had a wall around his property but America doesn't need a wall - according to Pelosi and Chuckie.

    Please tell me, lets be real, when you have ever seen a Hard Working Government Employee! They will all get their back pay when they go back to work - if Trump doesn't shut down their Job permanently.

    lets be real, I have been telling people they need to prepare for an emergency with no water, power, food, gas and jobs before the government shut down. What part of that didn't YOU read.

    800,000 people without jobs? Think BIGGER - 322 MILLION People out of work if the deep state tries to destroy America when Trump starts arresting them.

    lets be real, I was a hard working American when Tennessee brought the Mexicans into Tennessee and they took my jobs away because they would work for less. I had to live without a job to buy thanksgiving dinner and no Christmas that year. Contractors had no loyalty what so ever. They wanted to save that almighty dollar by hiring the Mexicans.

    If I had to do it so can the gov. employees. They are LUCKY, the Mexicans don't get their jobs.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Jan 8, 2019, at 11:45 PM
  • Dumpty stood there like a statue last night reading a script,he is unable to show empathy for Americans hardships. Sui people hire them because they work for less, you are right that is why Dumpty hires them at his hotels.Then they threaten them with deportation if they talk.

    I see him and his gang of merry republican men, even Mitch came out of hiding, walked out of talks with Democrats today. Why didn't these same republican men get this job done in the last 2 years?They controlled both houses.Now all of a sudden it is a rush and a crisis.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 4:57 PM
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    Trump is flexing his muscles. He is showing the deep state and their two partners - Pelosi and Schumer that trump is going to do what Trump wants to do to take down the democrats with the Deep State until the people wake up and realize what this battle is all about. You are so simple minded that you don't know what trump is fighting for. You are so filled with hate towards Trump that you can't see what Trump is doing for YOU and Every American in this country, including legal immigrants!

    The United States American Red Cross in Haiti, rounded up the lost and misplaced and injured children and buses them to the Clinton Foundation to begin their long journey into Human Trafficking and Prostitution, never to return to their parents or a normal life.

    This goes on at the Mexican Border as well, just uses other US Agencies. The women and children go into human Trafficking when they cross the border into the U.S.. Most of the time they don't eve reach the U.S. Border before they are snatched up and placed in the human Trafficking system.

    Trump has been working all year arresting these Human Trafficking people and returning all the children they can, which is very few by the time they close in on them.

    They are not prejudice. They steal boys and girls between 3 years old to 21 years old and young women of any age and race. Is that what you want with any OPEN Border? A wall will stop Human Trafficking as well as the criminals and drugs coming in.

    Is 5 Billion Dollars too much to spend to protect all those Latin Children who can not defend themselves?

    There are people in this country (and every other country) who will snatch a child out of the arms of an unsuspecting woman who is shopping in broad day light and drive away before the mother can do anything about it. Very few are caught. Your child just disappears.

    We like to think we are save in this country but we are not. It now happens in the U.S. because we refuse to believe things that horrible doesn't happen in the U.S.. It happens and Trump is the first president who has taken the time in his busy schedule of running the country to go after these kidnappers and the children.

    Catching the Kidnappers is the easy part but finding the children is almost impossible, because they are sold to all the countries and individuals in the first day to two. Some children go into prostitution. Over children are sold for Satanic Ceremonies where they are sacrificed and eaten.

    Think about this when you talk about Trump not doing anything good for the people or trying to Make America Great Again.

    As sicking as all this sounds and is, You people who refuse to believe this is going on in the United States of America make me sick! People doing this range from the Pope to the Queen of England, U.S. Presidents, Congressmen, Senators, CEOs of Huge Corporations like Disney Land/World,and the Movie Industry. And you though groping and sexual abuse of women at work was bad. At least they are not tortured and Eaten by the Rich and Famous.

    Think about this while you are sleeping in your comfortable bed at night, only because Trump is doing whatever he can to protect you from the evils in the Dark.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jan 9, 2019, at 8:43 PM
  • "Walls don't work"

    Us prison population in 2003 ~2,300,000

    Us prison escapes in 2003 -2,001

    For those who aren't very good with math that's .087%

    Seems to work better than almost anything government does.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 8:21 AM
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    I say when they commit a crime in the good old USA, Like crossing the border illegally,throw them in prison where the walls are. They like to crash thru walls, Let them try to scale or crash thru those walls, ROFLMAO

    What it would cost to house them in a U.S. prison would cost less then the life of our family members. Republican or Democrat, White or Black or Brown or any other color you want to paint people.

    I was under the understanding that color isn't suppose to matter, so why do we refer to people by their color? Is it political that we only refer to people's color when democrats and Governments are making Racist remarks to the republicans?

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 10, 2019, at 9:02 PM
  • Now sui,you know it is perfectly ok for the dims to use whatever language that they want when they are spewing their racist hate speech towards us. They get to point out color to us, that's just the world we live in.

    And we live in a world where many people seem to be allergic to common sense. It is laughable that people say a wall(fence/barrier/pick your term) doesn't work. Does it work absolutely 100% of the time? No. Quietmike pointed out the prison escape rate of .087%. Not .000%, but awfully close. Good enough for government work! Anyway, China built a wall over 2 thousand years ago, and they still don't have any Mexicans coming over it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:41 AM
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    Sorry, I had to laugh on that last line. Think China could build us a wall in time to stop the Mexicans?

    Tuberculosis, Flu, Measles, Polio like illnesses, Hepatitis, Infections rampant as the number of sick migrants surge at border.

    It is so bad, Hospitals are restricting Visitors all around the U.S. to keep diseases from spreading.

    It may be too late for a wall now. I saw THAT coming months ago.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:50 AM
  • And if anyone still thinks a wall won't work, I would suggest you go talk to Dale Earnhardt and see what he has to say about that.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 1:05 AM
  • Trump is asking for 5.7 billion out of a 4.407 trillion dollar budget for the wall.

    If your family had a 44,070 income, it would be like your spouse saying no one is going to work and no bills are being paid until you give up the silly notion of spending $57 on fencing in the backyard.

    That's what democrats are complaining about.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:47 AM
  • The hard part is figuring out if the Prison Wall argument is meant to be facetious. If you hadn't gone to the trouble to perform math on irrelevant data, I would be completely convinced it was intended as a joke.

    I could point out that there is no functional comparison between a prison wall and a border wall. But, it would probably be more to the point to ask if you are aware that prisons are no longer built with walls? None of Tennessee's maximum security prisons have walls... only chain link fences. Behind prison walls is becoming a figure of speech as the old prisons slowly blink out of existence.... Just as Brushy Mountain State Penitentiary with walls is now a tourist attraction, and the new maximum security Morgan County Correctional facility is surrounded by only chain link fence. So, your escape figures, if they have any meaning at all, only go to prove that literal walls are an outdated method of controlling movement. It is sort of like Trump's goofy photo op, showing him with an array of contraband.... all of which had been seized at ports of entry, and not out in the desert. Was his intention to make the argument that we need to build a wall somewhere other than where contraband actually enters the country or was his intention to highlight how pointless his wall would be?

    What is really surreal is that we find ourselves in an idiotic stalemate over a silly campaign slogan come to life. It serves only to highlight the lack of leadership in America today. The Democrats have only the same old tired losers, and what decent people the Republicans had to offer have retired, rather than try to deal with the the extremists that now control the party. The argument that a wall is somehow "immoral" is ridiculous. Stupid, pointless, and a waste of resources, sure. But how it becomes a moral issue is beyond me. We have no responsibility to take on every poor person in the world, whose own country is failing. I understand being sympathetic, but it is like stray cats... they are cute, but we can't take them all in (sorry, Steve). And it serves to illustrate the point that Trump is neither a dealmaker, nor a leader. He had a "deal", and reneged over the fear that he would lose the adulation of his "base." He only tells his loyal fans what they want to hear, and does what they demand. A real leader would find commonsense compromise solutions, and sell them to the population. Instead, we find ourselves in this costly and damaging stalemate. No wonder Russia wanted to see him in the White House.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:49 AM
  • "The Democrats have only the same old tired losers"

    Posted by lazarus

    Not true, laz. They have some new tired losers too. I've heard that AOC wants to repeal Roe v Wade so the Mexicans can choose which way they want to illegally enter.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 12:09 PM
  • Leave it to Lazarus to fixate on a bit of minutiae to avoid addressing the issue.

    Wall, fence, levee, whatever you want to call it.

    A real physical barrier of some sort.

    Everyone understands why liberals want a "virtual barrier" instead of a real, physical one.

    A "virtual barrier" comprised of drones, sensors, and the like is only one election away from being turned off.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 8:23 PM
  • It is sort of like Trump's goofy photo op, showing him with an array of contraband.... all of which had been seized at ports of entry, and not out in the desert. Was his intention to make the argument that we need to build a wall somewhere other than where contraband actually enters the country or was his intention to highlight how pointless his wall would be?

    -- Posted by Lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:49 AM

    Looks like to me you're missing the obvious here Lazarus. The contraband was seized at the point of entry. Obviously, the point is; If we had more control on the points of entry, we would capture more contraband. Unless, of course, you think contraband is not entering through the open desert.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:06 PM
  • Come on Liveforlight,

    Everyone knows drunk drivers only frequent roadblocks.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 10:29 PM
  • quite mike; and they dont put roadblocks in the middle of the desert, either.... wonder why that is???

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:12 PM
  • Obviously they know that all the illegals will try to sneak thru the roadblocks at the ports of entry.

    But on the off chance 1 or 2 might decide to try to avoid where they know people are looking for them and try to cross in the middle of nowhere, some sort of barrier would be nice.

    Since so many people are getting their feelings beyond butthurt about this, maybe it would be better to forget about the wall. Instead, we could build guard posts every hundred yards or so and man each with 2 guards. One could have a 50 caliber machine gun and the other a sniper rifle.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 11, 2019, at 11:58 PM
  • It is not "point" of entry, it is "Port" of Entry. Ports of Entry are any transportation system ingress into the US from outside the national borders, whether it is roads, airports, or harbors. And no, significant amounts of contraband are not entering across the open desert. Smugglers are not stupid. Crossing the open desert is a long and difficult task. Crossing into Texas has the added challenge of crossing the Rio Grande. The simple truth is, the volume of materials one person can transport (including necessary water and food) is very limited. Any material sent across the open desert is at far greater risk of detection than materials passing thru the Ports of Entry, where people and materials are supposed to be crossing the border.... There are 28 Ports of Entry on the Texas/Mexico border. I found the Customs data for the crossings at 12 of those Ports of Entry for 2017: 86,369 buses, 17,200,220 pedestrians, 34,580,524 passenger vehicles, 9,912 trains, and 4,161,049 tractor trailers. That means every day there was an average of 237 buses, 47,124 pedestrians, 94,741 passenger vehicles, 27 trains, and 11,400 tractor trailers crossing the border at Ports of Entry. And that was at only 12 of the 28 Ports of entry... It is a simple matter of logistics. Where would you try to get contraband across the border? On the backs of peons making an exposed crossing over miles of desert, where every person caught trying to cross is apprehended, or lost in a mass of vehicular and foot traffic, where almost all of them are allowed to pass? And, if you wanted to stem the flow of contraband, where would you focus your resources?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:35 AM
  • Lazarus,

    I asked you earlier and you never answered if the airports didn't have walls and just asked everyone nicely to report to the magnetometer for security screening, would you consider that adequate?

    As to why there are no roadblocks in the desert, it's because there is no physical barriers to funnel them to those roadblocks.

    At your ports of entry, where pedestrians and vehicles are checked are there physical barriers around them?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:42 AM
  • Wouldn't the assumption be that the wall would be manned, Fare? Do you actually believe it would stop anything if it weren't? It would be a lot cheaper just to have the guardposts... as you point out, they would be just as effective without the wall. It might be cheaper still to use 21st century technology, rather than 12th century technology, and use electronic surveillance to send mobile guardposts to where people are approaching the border....

    And, as far as your "Roadblocks" at the Ports of Entry...have you ever heard of the FAST Pass or SENTRI Pass programs? Do you think all those vehicles are actually being stopped and inspected at the border? Do you have any idea how easy it really is to carry contraband past customs?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 1:50 AM
  • Walls(or physical barriers to satisfy Lazarus) are the most cost effective form of security.

    Unlike tech they don't require updates, new programming, upgrades, or replacement power storage.

    Jim Acosta visited an unmanned wall and remarked on how nothing was happening anywhere around it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 3:19 AM
  • Having spent quite a bit of time in south Texas near the border I can tell you that contraband crosses the border every day. The local border patrol told us that when we see someone walking through our area to not confront them especially if they are wearing backpacks. They told us if they are carrying backpacks they are most likely drug mules and will be armed and prepared to shoot.

    These aren't just poor Mexicans trying to cross. There are also enemies of the U.S. crossing these open areas. Here is a video of a border patrol agent with Trump explaining this issue. You won't see this on the evening news.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0YNjavV0M

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 7:54 AM
  • Knowing these blogs often degrade into a quagmire of fruitless comments, I will just answer the Question "What should be done?" and call it quits.

    The laws says we have a border. The law says there are requirements to enter the U.S. legally. "What should be done" is ENFORCE THE LAW, using any and all means necessary, including physical barriers. Anything less is negligence on the part of our government.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 8:09 AM
  • Yes, laz, my assumption would be that the wall would be manned. Whether a concrete or metal wall, chicken wire and concertina (electrified) fence, or a line of people standing shoulder to shoulder, we need some sort of physical barrier and people ready to double tap with a precious metal(Pb) the invaders so we can funnel the mass of protoplasm through the designated ports of entry. And then search them and make them prove that they have permission to be here before we let them in. We could also slap an ankle bracelet on them before we set them loose. Maybe fix it to blow the leg off if it is tampered with or they stay too long.

    And, no, laz, I don't have any personal experience with moving contraband through a port of entry, so I guess I'll just have to defer to your judgment on the ease of doing it.🤔😁

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 9:56 AM
  • I wonder why none of the big farms use tech such as drones or sensors to keep the animals where they need to be rather than fences?

    Since the tech solution is more effective and cheaper.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 12, 2019, at 9:26 PM
  • Really QM, Now penning cattle is analogous to border security? How about screens? we use window screens to keep out flies. Maybe we could just put up a really big screen.

    Reading the various comments (so we can funnel the mass of protoplasm through the designated ports of entry. And then search them and make them prove that they have permission to be here before we let them in)(Walls(or physical barriers to satisfy Lazarus) are the most cost effective form of security) I realize that strong opinions are not an indication of any idea what is actually going on. Once again, check out the FAST Pass and SENTRI Pass programs... We are not searching everyone who comes thru the Ports of Entry. We are searching very few of them. And yes, Fare, in my wild and dissolute youth I have moved contraband through Ports of Entry. Something I would not admit, except the statute of limitations has expired many times over. A wall would not be the most cost effective way to protect the border with Mexico. That border is just less than 2,000 miles long, with about 580 miles of wall (in urban areas). A wall across open desert would have to be supported by either regular guardposts or technology, basically the same support that is needed to monitor the open desert without a wall. The wall is simply an additional expense, providing no additional protection. Do I think we need to do more to secure the border? Emphatically YES. Blowing $5 billion on a campaign stunt does not give us a more secure border.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:31 AM
  • Lazarus says a wall isn't more cost effective.

    Congress spent 62 billion on border security in 2013 on the "better, cheaper" tech solutions to the border crisis, and we're still having a border crisis.

    So less than 10% of that spending package is "money wasted".

    Only in the goofy world of liberalism.

    It's worth noting LAZARUS dodged my airport question AGAIN.

    But liberals always focus on irrelevant minutiae to avoid addressing the real issues.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 8:39 AM
  • *

    WHILE EVERYONE FOCUSES ON THE WALL, TRUMP JUST CRIPPLED THE GLOBAL BANKING CARTEL!

    Obama nominated Jim Yong Kim of China as the new President of the World Bank Group.

    Now that Trump is in office Jim Yong Kim is stepping down. That means Trump will be able to put who ever he wants to in the presidential chair of the World Bank. This will bring the shut down of the Central Banks much quicker, the Federal Reserve (which isn't Federal at all) and the IMF and the 2019 Recession coming in September or October.

    The illegals are coming to America and don't understand that Trump has shut down the Human Traffickers and soon the Federal Reserve and the Central Banks that will cause a Recession in America. Food Stamps and aid to dependent children is unconstitutional and will be done away with when Trump Protects our constitutional rights that all the women were afraid they were going to lose.

    With or without the Border Wall, the Mexicans will continue to come in the U.S. and the Business owners will hire them because they will work for less. When they get paid, they send the U.S. Dollars home to Mexico. Now Mexico has the U.S. Dollars and the U.S. has to print more U.S. Dollars to replace the missing dollars.

    The deficit rises and the value of the dollar declines, which in turn raises the cost of living and everything else.

    Americans are going to pay not matter which way things go as long as we let foreigners come in and run our country. Not all foreigners are patriotic citizens and would like to change America, JUST LIKE OBAMA DID!

    Are you prepared for the Marshal Law, Mass Arrests, Power Outage due to riots, Shut down of the Central Banks and the coming Recession? Wake Up People! Look at what the Gov. Shutdown has caused in just two weeks, and that just affects a small amount people. What Trump is doing is going World Wide. Not trying to scare you, just prepare you.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:18 PM
  • *

    Oh yeah! As for the Border Wall, Trump has everything under control. He can stop the shut down any time he wants to, but why shut down the shut down when he is going to shut down some gov. agencies permanently.

    Perfect time to do his Mass Arrests while the gov. is shutdown, don't you think?

    Why is everyone crying? Don't these people have parents or children they can turn to for food or a basement living quarters until hey get their back pay?

    If all the Christians believe that God will protect them from the Anti-Christ and keep them safe during the Trials and Tribulations when they will have to have the Mark of the Beast to buy or sell... Where's the Beef? lol.

    Everyone believes in God and everyone believes they are going to heaven, so I just don't understand the problem?

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 2:34 PM
  • Another mass arrest prediction?

    Are the odds for this one better than the one for most of congress getting arrested?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 4:09 PM
  • QM; The amount of money it costs is not what makes it a waste. Being useless is what makes it a waste. As you wall supporters yourselves say, it will not work without being manned. Well, out in the desert, where you can see anyone approaching for hours (or days), and anyone you see has no business crossing, the manpower would be enough to do the job without the wall. The wall is simply a wasted expenditure, use the $5 billion for more manpower.

    I am not ducking the silly questions. Airports, prisons, cow pastures, they are unrelated to border walls. What is there to duck when you make irrelevant connections? Of the three, at least airports are a different form of Port of Entry... and Ports of entry have barriers to move people in an orderly manner.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 8:20 PM
  • You claim walls are ineffective then dodge examples showing effective walls in use everyday, saying they're meaningless examples. Just as you claimed examples of Trump's success as meaningless, even though they're the same metrics you used to laud Obama as a sucessful president.

    And you wonder why folks say you're a liberal.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 13, 2019, at 9:24 PM
  • QM; your specious "examples" have nothing to do with the function of a border wall. Prisons, cow pastures, and airports are not desert borders... Why not add retaining walls, which hold back dirt, and the walls of your house, which keep the inside climate different than the outside climate (keeping out rodents requires additional measures!). The second part leaves me puzzled. Please show me any example of praising Obama, much less praising him for the same "metrics" that are not something the president controls.... And, to be honest, "folks" don't call me a liberal. Pretty much just you, and I don't think the word has any actual meaning as you use it, but is just a random pejorative.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 11:31 AM
  • Lazarus, a wall(fence, barrier), of any kind, has one function, keeping things separated. Where it's used is irrelevant, as the only difference is what is being separated. If it's a bank vault, it's to keep valuables separated from those who would take them. If it's a divided paper plate, it's to keep your turnip greens separated from your mashed potatoes. If it's a levee, its to keep water separate from areas you want to keep dry.

    I find it odd the function of physical barriers has to be explained, but it is what it is.

    If tech solutions would be cheaper and work better than a physical wall on the southern border, then tech would be even easier to use on a farm since cows have less cognitive ability than humans, at least most of us.

    Your claim is that tech solutions are more effective and cheaper than a physical barrier.

    I've pointed out that many times the amount being requested for a wall has already been spent on the tech solutions and obviously it was no solution at all.

    Yes, even with a wall (barrier, fence, etc.) there will still need to be a human presence. But with a wall (barrier, fence, etc.) fewer people would be needed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 10:36 PM
  • *

    Here's one for the record. The truckers are ****** at the gov. for the electronic Logs they have to keep. Makes their job a living hell.

    They are planning a strike in April if the gov. doesn't change it. this would be a FAST week or two of no deliveries for daily supplies. No Postal mail, no groceries, no gas, no auto supplies. no anything that trucks transport. Yes, that means the Banks will close also because the trucks won't be delivering money to banks.

    This would big a bigger disaster than the gov shutdown because it would effect everyone in the USA.

    Just saying?

    You have to know what is going on around you.

    Another reason to get prepared for a disaster. This one would be worse than a Hurricane or tornado except for the damage, because people don't think no food, water, groceries and jobs would effect how they live. Oh well, life goes on.

    Don't get scared, buy up supplies. Take some money out of the bank to get you thru a couple weeks, just incase you can find something to buy. - Hey, you can always use them when the next one hits. So far I have heard Gov. shutdown NOW and also maybe continued for months, Trucker's strike in April, Recession in Sept-Nov., and power outage from Mass arrests at anytime this year.

    It's all a game, but is it FUN? I even heard of an alien attack from space this year. However, this will be a fake invasion, so don't pay any attention to it.

    The biggest threat this year will be the Democrats and the Deep State.

    Now, I ask you, how do you build a wall to protect us from these life threatening conditions? There is no protection from them, no more than there is for a mass shooting. We just have to wake up and prepare for our own safety, whatever it is. Good Night everyone!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 14, 2019, at 10:48 PM
  • Hold on, quietmike; lazarus may be on to something. If we got high tech enough, maybe we could do without a human presence on the border. Once Space Force gets up and going, they could have a continual death ray painted along the entire length of the border. That should keep them out. But it will be a while before we can get that high tech.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jan 15, 2019, at 12:35 AM
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    If the democrats don't come yp with the Money for the wall in another 5 days, Trump can invoke a RIF "Reduction In Force" after gov has been shut down for 30 Days. That means Trump can shut down any gov agency for any length of time or forever after the gov has been shut down for 30 days. Trump is keeping the gov. shut down so all fingers will point to the democrats for keeping the gov. shut down.

    Tell me Trump isn't sly. I told everyone we needed a business man as the president back in 2016. He knows how to contract and break contracts and is friends with every Country, and won't back down. See how he is controlling the democrats and the people? And the thing is, he has the money for the wall, he just wants the people to see how the democrats should take the blame for no wall or our security.

    In stead - Trump spent the weekend in Washington, willing to work on a compromise to end the partial government shutdown, as about 30 Democrats headed south for a winter retreat in Puerto Rico. Fingers should point at them.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 2:20 AM
  • Trump should pay for the wall by fining all the people who don't want it...

    like obama did with obamacare.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 8:47 PM
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    Trump is working on Keeping the Gov Shutdown for a few months because it gives him the power to actually Fire Government employees after the gov has been shut down for 30 days.

    He is going to shut down the IRS this year and the Central Banks and Federal Reserve as well as the IMF. Word has it that 50% of the higher up Democrats will get arrested during the shutdown.

    Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama are in GITMO right now. Hillary will be executed sometime around first of March. Obama will remain alive longer as the exPresident imposter to extract more names involved in the Deep State and pedophilia.

    Obama has murdered hundreds or more children, so he will get executed for sure after they get what they want out of him.

    Hundreds have already been executed in 2018 and thousands will be tried and executed this year.

    Doctors will be arrested for prescribing poisonous drugs, miss diagnosis and murdering people and over charging for their services.

    The cure for cancer is here! People will be able to buy it in a small box at Walmart for a cheap price that anyone can afford. Inoculations will be halted as they cause the diseases they are suppose to cure.

    Trump isn't worried about the 2020 election because most of the democrats can't run from a prison cell. There are like 240 Democrats who are thinking about running for president and 160 republicans. Gonna be one hell of a nomination race.

    True UFO Facts will be coming out this year.

    The Trucker's Strike is scheduled for April 12th. Right now it is a one day strike, but I imagine it will take a week or more to get back to a normal schedule after the strike that will leave Americans without food, water, gas, electricity and money. Stores will be shut down for lack of products, that means no work and no money which causes lack of everything else.

    Nothing to worry about if people prepare now.

    Good night and sweet dreams.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 2:40 AM
  • Back in the world of reality...

    Obama's former border patrol chief urges Trump to stay the course on the border wall.

    https://www.newsweek.com/obama-border-patrol-chief-begs-trump-stay-course-border...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 8:51 AM
  • Sui since Obama is suppose to be in Gitmo now explain how they celebrated Michelle's birthday last night together with a big party.

    If what Cohen said about Dumpty telling him to lie about Trump Tower is true Goodbye Dumpty.Especially if they have emails,texts,docoments and witnesses to back it up.

    Where is Mitch? He refuses to bring a vote to the floor to open the government. Why.Is he that afraid of Dumpty?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 4:54 PM
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    LBR,

    Dumpty is keeping the gov shut down for a reason, which I have already explained.

    Ever hear of video taping? Did you see any boots on their foot? They posted a video recently , but it was recorded years ago.

    Cohen has confessed to a lot of crimes since he has been investigated. Most of them his own crimes. Don't you think if they had something on Trump the World would stop and they would impeach him? They don't have anything on Trump. The people who are in trouble are the ones who committed crimes on their own like Cohen, but have nothing to do with Trump colluding with Russia. All the colluding was with Hillary.

    Those are a lot of IF's you throw out there. If you put all those IFs in one hand and S*** in the other hand, you would just be left holding the S***!

    Mitch was told not to bring a vote to the floor to open the government. Dumpty is running the show. Sit back and enjoy the show. The Central Banks are starting to Crash now. Watch for the recession to come. Are you prepared for it?

    You think the Government workers are hurting, you better look at the big picture.

    Government agencies permanently shut down means millions people out of work - No Jobs, No Money, No Food, No Utilities, No Water, No Trucks Moving, No Way to Pay your Bills, and of course, No Banks Open! And NOW the Democrats want illegal aliens to come right on into America and make it Great Again! What are the democrats going to do with all those illegals with no money, food or jobs? They will just have to sell them into Human Trafficking to other countries like they have been doing.

    It will all be over before most of you will even realize it happened.

    OUTCOME? We will have to elect people to be Congress(men/women/senators) to replace all those who went to prison for the way they stole from the people and their corruption and human trafficking/cannibalism.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 6:28 PM
  • *

    Stop worrying about the Wall! Trump will stop the people from coming in. You need to look at the big Picture!

    The new story is the Gov is issuing Food Stamps and Snap Card refills for February NOW!

    That's the Good News!

    Here's the bad news. People will spend February's Food Stamps and Snap cards now BEFORE February. No Food Stamps or Snap cards will be issued in February, and maybe not in March.

    Also the people who have a lot of money will buy up the Food and supplies before the SHTF and sell it at a much higher price when no one can find these things in stores, because everything was bought up by the rich.

    If you are on Food Stamps or Snap cards or just barely getting by, you will not be able to buy things and 10 times their regular cost.

    Remember me saying that we will also have the illegals coming in thru the border at the same time as this chaos is happening? No Jobs + No Food + no money + no gas + no anything!

    Where are you going to be sitting when it starts! This is serious and not a Joke, but I have been warning everyone about this. This doesn't include the Marshal Law and Riots.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 18, 2019, at 9:21 PM
  • There you go again, unreal. Parroting the lying lunatic LSM. Did you hear your buddy bueller had one of his hired political assassins issue a statement that the Buzzardfeed article you referred to was "not accurate "? Ie Fake News, that is lying, or bovine caca. Same old, same old.

    If nancy was serious about doing her job, she would send the Senate a bill that had a chance of becoming law. She knows Mitch won't waste Senate time on a bill that doesn't have a chance because it doesn't provide for border security.

    Poor nancy, cant get a second free vacation in the first month back at "work". Seeing as how she planned to be out gallivanting around the world with her dimcrap buddies right now, she must be disappointed. Guess she has written off the women's March today. Time to dust off your pink hat, unreal. And wear it proudly with your anti-Semitic buddies.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 5:53 AM
  • What was the purpose of Pelosi’s trip?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 8:00 AM
  • Mueller only said descriptions of specific statement and characterizations of documents were not accurate.He did not deny it happened.Lets see if Dumpty praises Mueller when the truth comes out.

    Pelosi is second in line to the president as all other House speakers.You do not go to a war zone for vacation,but Dumpty would not know since he has not been.Since Dumpty told the world where they were going it would have been to dangerous to fly commercial.Why didn't Melania fly commercial to Mar-A-Largo for a weekend getaway.

    If they let Dumpty hold America hostage for this what next?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 12:29 PM
  • LBR, since you know why she was going, could you share it with us?

    Thinking of her as third in line is scary. God protect our Executive branch.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 5:01 PM
  • If they let Dumpty hold America hostage for this what next?

    -- Posted by lets be real

    ---

    Hostage?

    380,000 federal workers are furloughed, and I doubt anyone notices any difference in their daily lives.

    If missing one paycheck turns your life upside-down, the shutdown isn't your biggest problem.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jan 19, 2019, at 6:06 PM
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    Read my Lips!

    You have to research Government shutdown to know what is going on.

    If the Government is shut down for 22 working days or for 30 days straight, the President can keep the Government shut down indefinitely. Also when the Government is shut down for 22 working days or 30 straight days The president can do a "Reduction in Force" (RIF) which is simply laying people off permanently. Since they can't fire a Government employee, they can get rid of anyone who is Furloughed, by a RIF.

    Trump has said over and over again that the government is too big and needs to be cut. That is what he is planning on. after the 30 day shutdown, Trump can start laying off anyone who isn't doing their job.

    That will be a lot more people out of work with no money! I don't see them finding any work in America with Pelosi helping the illegal aliens come into America.

    The people who will get Laid off will be he people who didn't do their Government Jobs, so they won't be interested in applying for a hard job on the outside. They will just have to keep on begging for help.

    As I understand it, Pelosi and some other high level democrats were going to Terrorist Countries on a Publicity Tour? How much sense does that make? Those were Muslim Countries that don't look at women like Americans do.

    Of course, These are Deep State run Countries and Pelosi and friends are Deep State swamp creatures so they were probably going to try to encourage terrorism. Maybe she wanted to go to the Poppy Fields in Afghanistan and pick some Poppies before the troops pulled out of Afghanistan.

    I see no logical reason for them to go to these Countries, especially now!

    The only other thing I can think of is that she didn't want to be in the Country when Trump starts arresting 80% of the Democrats.

    Oops! Did I spoil the surprise?

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 12:19 AM
  • What they need to do is lock pelosi and her dimcrap house comrades in a room until they pass a budget (not just a continuing resolution) that can pass the Senate and get signed into law.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 2:18 AM
  • The only other thing I can think of is that she didn't want to be in the Country when Trump starts arresting 80% of the Democrats.-posted by sui

    ----

    Are these the same democrats who were going to be arrested before congress went back into session?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 9:42 AM
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    fair share,

    If you remember, a few days ago some 30 high level people went to Puerto Rico for a Vacation. It is my understanding that it wasn't a vacation! Who were they and where are they now? Is that why Pelosi doesn't want to call her demos back in session to deal with Trump because many of them may have gotten arrested in Puerto Rico? The executive Orders give Trump the authority to go into other Countries including U.S. Territories to arrest criminals.

    Trump refers to democrats as Sick Criminals - same as the Illegal Aliens! Is there a connection? One always agrees with the other. The Democrats want the illegal aliens in our society and the illegal aliens want the democrats in charge of them.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 3:42 PM
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    quietmike,

    Some of them are. What you don't see is the Boot locked on their foot. Most are under House Arrest and guarded by SS or CIA.

    GITMO is very active at this time. Several people are in GITMA right now, we just aren't hearing about it.

    If all these names came out right now, there would be Riots before they were all arrested, or arrested and convicted for their other crimes. You can be sure if they committed one crime they committed several crimes while in office.

    After this 30 Day Shutdown, Trump can Fire all the Gov. Employees who don't think they have to do anything because they can't be fired. They are going to find out that they CAN be Furloughed "RIF" (Same as being FIRED).

    I understand that Hillary is under House arrest while she is squealing and Naming the high level criminals and their crimes.

    You see, Hillary has committed Sooooooo many crimes that she has all the names of people involved in many, many crimes and Human Trafficking. There are so many charges against her that she will do anything to easy her punishment or give her more time before she Hangs by the neck until dead.

    Obama has been TRIED for several crimes, just not sent to GITMO yet. Same Story. A President with top secret crimes he has committed.

    Pope Francis was arrested and stood Trial by the International Common Law Court back in June.

    President George H W Bush confessed to several Crimes he committed and the names of those involved with him in exchange for a respected funeral service.

    George Bush Jr, has been arrested and agreed to take the responsibility for the war crimes he committed and the people acting with him (Richard Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld and others) in exchange for immunity for his other family members.

    President Obama, President Bush and President Clinton were all sent to court and found guilty of War Crimes. Other Trials coming for all of them. These are just some of the crimes they have committed as Presidents.

    Has anyone seen any current photos of our xPres/Muslim/Traitor Barrack Hussein Obama and Michael? The First Lady/Girly-man, Michelle (Michael), Looks just like a man with her short hair cut that looks like Barrack's.

    Yes, quietmike, These are the ones who got arrested before Congress went back to session, just not sent to GITMO because Trump isn't through with them yet!

    After the 30 day shutdown has come and gone, that is when we will see the demos furloughed and gone forever. Some will go to GITMO for Sedition/Treason and some just Laidoff from all Gov. positions for Life.

    Won't see this happen until the Shut down is over. Trump is doing everything by the Book, the Law Book!

    One last word. Trump didn't Indict these criminals!

    They were all Indicted by Grand Juries! The Grand Juries have determined that all these people have committed these crimes named in the Indictments. Now the courts must determine their Fate, not TRUMP!

    Attorney General Sessions and his 170 prosecutors did the investigating of the crimes and turned the information over to the Grand Juries. The Grand Juries determined which crimes and which criminals would be Indicted. THE END!

    The Indictments are opening... The Red Pills are handed out..

    The New Beginning! And some will wake up to Eternal Torment.

    How DEEP does the Rabbit Hole Go?

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 4:18 PM
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    Stevemills,

    What was the purpose of Pelosi’s trip?

    Nancy Pelosi is the daughter of a Mafia associate. Nancy is very corrupt. She made Millions with Insider trading and visa card deals, stealing water in California to use in other areas and provided children to Harry Reid. She is working with the deep state and CIA.

    Brussels (EU - Homas Terrorists)

    Egypt (MBH - Muslim Brother Hood)

    Afghanistan (CIA , Taliban Terrorists, and American Deep State Black Opps under George H.W. Bush)

    There was an assassination planned that day against Trump and VP Pence also.

    Nancy Pelosi was the 3rd in line to be in control if Trump AND VP Pence got assassinated by this #13th Assassination attempt. She didn't want to be here if Trump was going to be assassinated. She wanted to go visit her Deep State friends - Our Enemies while Trump was being Assassinated.

    I'm sure she would want to be there to assure our enemies that she would turn everything back over to the New World Order Deep State.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 5:32 PM
  • Amazing that the MSM already accuses Trump of being a fascist, with no evidence, yet mass arrests of members of government happens, and they don't report it.

    But somehow a conspiracy site, that makes Alex Jones look like snopes, has the skinny.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 6:32 PM
  • It seems as though nancy has been too busy vacationing and trying to outsmart Trump to spend much time at home lately. If she had been home last week, would she have still had the cops deport the illegals that were seeking sanctuary at her house? Or would she have done it herself?

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 8:17 PM
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    quietmike,

    Believe me, the MSM does know about the arrests. They just aren't going to report it. The Deep State doesn't want any publicity about Trump taking them down and winning. Anyone who publishes this news will go off the air.

    Sometimes, I don't even think the Deep State knows it.

    Trump is doing things in plain site that the Deep State and the Democrats don't see it! They do the opposite of what Trump tells them to do! How stupid is that? Actually, I think it is so funny how many times Trump has played the MSM to do what he wanted them to do.

    Just like Nancy and Chucky. Trump plays them all the time. Trump keep telling us to watch and enjoy the show. He shocked Nancy and Chucky into looking like Zombies on live TV.

    Even Fox doesn't report on most of the infor I have privy to.

    It's not just the MSM! The Central Banks are dealing with Trump's wrath also. They are doing exactly what Trump wants them to do and they don't even know it.

    This will lead to the shut down of the Central Banks, The Federal Reserve, IMF, Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 10:15 PM
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    fair share,

    I am surprised Nancy didn't load them up and carry them over to Harry Reid's house. Dirty Harry may be arrested also, but I haven't heard anything about him until today. Nothing here yet.

    Nancy is another story.

    Nancy had plans of taking 93 family members with her in the Military Aircraft to the Muslim Countries.

    Why on earth would she take her family with her on a secret mission to foreign Countries on a Military Plane? 93 Family members and children and 20 something admin members!

    Drinking all that blood has effected her brain. One report said she took a commercial flight to the countries in spite of the security risks. I kind of dubt that as I don't think security would let her do it.

    She needs to fly down to central America and join in one of those Caravans coming to America. She could get first hand knowledge of how they are.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jan 20, 2019, at 10:19 PM
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    speaking of shutting down the Government, I bet MLK is rolling over in his grave seeing how Trump shut down the government before he could this year. He must be mad as hell knowing Trump shut down the government longer than he gets to.

    It's just a shame MLK isn't alive TODAY to see how his Black race turned out after fighting for their Civil Rights. They have all gone back to their old days where they could riot, loot and burn and yell RACIST.

    Looks like MLK fought and died for nothing. It's a shame they don't appreciate what MLK did for them. We can blame Obama for that!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 2:23 PM
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    Reliable sources say RBG has confessed to several crimes and has made a plea deal to be executed or suicided or to just quietly disappear from sight.

    I could provide a list of names of mid level elite people who have been to court and/or going to court, but it is too much work for me to do at this time. I already have a life besides reporting the news that the news medias won't dare report.

    I don't mind throwing everyone a bone now and then.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 9:40 PM
  • Sui, if you ever need a bone, let me know. I got one I could toss your wa....wait a minute, I better not finish that or someone will take it the wrong way.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 11:24 PM
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    stevemills;

    OK Here she is and what she did - Nancy Pelosi!

    Donna Brazile tweeted Pelosi with this on the day of the assassination attempt:

    #MadamSpeaker today

    #PesidentPelosi shortly thereafter

    #MLKWeekend is underway

    Keep Hope Alive!

    (Donna Brazile is confessing that she knew about the Assassination plan that day.)

    President Trump knew about Pelosi-DeepState coup attempt well before it even began.

    "Never interfere with an enemy who is in the process of destroying himself."

    The NSA has always been a DeepState weapon - since 1952, when it was founded.

    The irony of it...is:

    Trump is using the DeepState weapons to destroy the DeepState.

    Here is the Plan:

    Two FBI Agents were working with (Taheb) the man hired to assassinate Trump. He was going to use an anti-tank rocket launcher to shoot a hole in the White House then rush in with automatic weapons and kill everyone they could.

    When will assassins learn you can't trust FBI agents to work with you? Lol.

    Trump to Pelosi: "A contract is a contract."

    Yes: a contract is when someone hires a Professional Killer to assaassinate someone else.

    Trump to Pelosi: "I will get back to you soon!"

    Why isn't she arrested you ask?

    Trump is draining the swamp. Pelosi knows she is going to Gitmo for Treason, she just doesn't know when. She knows you can't try to assassinate a President and not go to jail for life.

    Before Trump is through with Pelosi there will be more arrests.

    Trump said he was told that 80 to 140 Democrats will be arrested.

    You won't hear that on the MSM.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Jan 22, 2019, at 1:18 AM
  • Good thing it isn't pre-1980 or someone would be in an institution playing Candyland, crocheting potholders, and talking about their feelings in a big group.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jan 22, 2019, at 2:29 AM
  • Even in this day and age of craziness when so many people get so butthurt by the truth, this is a little hard to swallow. The stolen valor Indian (feather, not dot) "forgives" the kid he bullied/harassed but was unable to intimidate! Un be leivable!!

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jan 24, 2019, at 12:41 PM
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    Just how deep does the Rabbit Hole go?

    The Deep State is behind the latest assassination attempt. The Deep State's plan is to eliminate Trump and VP Pence so Nancy Pelosi will become the one in the Presidents chair. Then she will step down and give the Presidency to none other than the brain Dead Hillary Rotten Clinton. Hillary has already been arrested so she won't be the new President. I believe Nancy Pelosi is just about as Brain Dead as Hillary is. Child Trafficking and organ Harvesting has damaged their brains.

    You poor suckers have no idea how far the Rabbit hole goes. The Rabbit has brainwashed you into believing only the Deep State's MSM.

    I may have a big Bone for everyone as soon as I check out the facts.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jan 24, 2019, at 5:30 PM
  • as soon as I check out the facts.

    -- Posted by sui

    ----

    One of the funniest, and most ironic, things you've ever posted.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jan 24, 2019, at 10:20 PM
  • The Phillips - Sandman "confrontation" might have been the non-event of the year. But the responses have certainly been entertaining. The first I saw of it was the famous weird video of the goofy looking kid smirking while the old man beats a drum and the kid's buddies do the tomahawk chops and fake war dances. Credit my news sources, because the first thing I read was, that while it looked bad that video did not show the entire story. Indeed, it does not show the entire story, altho what story there is, I am not sure. Nobody laid a hand on anybody else. Nothing got broken, no one got hurt.

    I have to admit, the entire chronology remains unclear. But, what i do know; Covington School, an all male Ohio football powerhouse bused a bunch of students to Washington to hold a protest against abortion. By some accounts it was the whole student body, but that would have been about 600 kids. It didn't look like that many, but there were a lot of kids there. I am not sure whose bright idea that was, but they acted about like you would expect a hundred or so teenage boys to act in a group. I saw videos of them on the way to the protest; yelling at passing girls and otherwise behaving just about like you or I would have at that age, and in that situation. Once on site, they encountered a small group of a fringe religion called the Black Hebrews that got into verbal exchanges with them; and another small group of American Indians.... Now, we could speculate forever about who instigated what, but in reality nothing of any consequence happened. Three groups of protesters occupied the same space at the same time. None of them actually holding a position in conflict with one another. There was some yelling and some insults, but then, what do protesters do, if not yell insults at someone? But that was the extent of it.

    The real drama came when someone posted a video, and everyone seized on this non-incident to "prove" something. From one side, it is about those mean old white people disrespecting Indians. (You have to admit, the kid's smirk was pretty irritating). From the other side, it was how the media unfairly portrays the news (forgetting that they are also the media) and the white kids are somehow victims. Trump, of course, weighed in, as in a reality show dividing people is a key to winning. But, the funniest interpretation has to be yours, Fare. Really; you think that 70 year old man beating a drum struck fear in the heart of a 17/18 year old male, with a hundred friends behind him? You think that is bullying and intimidation? I would bet you that old guy was scared out of his wits. But those kids weren't there to hurt anybody. They were just there to act the fool, in the time honored tradition of teenage males. It is just a shame we live in a time where nothing can become a major event.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Jan 24, 2019, at 11:55 PM
  • "They were just there to act the fool, in the time honored tradition of teenage males."

    Posted by lazarus

    You've been watching too many Gillette commercials, laz.

    The stolen valor guy tried but failed to intimidate the kid, but maybe the old guy's fear and panic made him walk right up and invade the kid's personal space.

    To paraphrase Reagan, it's not what you don't know. It's what you know that ain't so. You know that Covington is in Ohio. But it is in Kentucky.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 1:21 AM
  • Lazarus you are missing the obvious, again. The lesson here is that there is a narrative that the left and the leftist media is eager to promote. That narrative is anti-Trump.

    This situation was a trap set for the boys to step into. Fortunately for them they didn't. The only thing the young man could have done to not lose, was to stand there, like he did. The look on his face did not matter. There was no face he could have put on that would have offset the narrative for those, such as yourself, who have an anti-Trump view.

    The only thing that held the media and the narrative at bay in this situation is the availability of alternate means of distributing the truth through the internet and social media. Otherwise, the only story there would have been, would be the story that fit the pre-conceived anti-Trump narrative.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 5:18 AM
  • I think you are both right. It was a non event until the media got involved and the media did little to clarify what was going on. Instead, they muddied and slanted it to “make news”.

    I was not sure exactly who was there, for what reason, and how they ended up together. Lazarus did a better job clarifying that than any news report I saw.

    The smirk was annoying but I empathized from my youth when I was confronted by someone in a similar fashion (not of Indian ethnicity) but did not want to show fear so I forced what appeared to be smug bravery.

    It appears that the Indian came right up to the young man, or did the young man purposely step in front of the Indian? What was the Indian fellow demonstrating about?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 7:35 AM
  • The old refrigerator repairman walked up on the teen, not the other way around. The advancing party is nearly always seen as the agressor.

    Later he tried to disrupt a church service with his tomtom.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 7:57 AM
  • Joke of the day:

    How is the less than honorably discharged Phillips like Elizabeth Warren?

    He is 1/1,024th Vietnam vet.

    He is also 1/1,024th victim.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 8:56 AM
  • I thought about moving to Steve's new (shorter) thread. But this is probably my last contribution on this topic... First, my apologies for moving Covington to Ohio. It is an easy mistake around Cincinnati (They could have easily been in Indiana as well). Second; it was seized on by all manner of people with axes to grind. The anti-Trump narrative; altho nothing there had anything to do with Trump. The anti-media narrative; altho the actual media made it clear from the beginning that what exactly happened was uncertain (if people read instead of just looking at the pictures). The woe-is-me, we-are-so-mistreated pro-Trump narrative. Y'all are not always victims. Not every event that happens requires an angry response and denigrating someone. Third; pictures are not always worth a thousand words. But, they can generate a million words, as everyone sees what they want to see, even when nothing actually happens.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 10:17 AM
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    I personally found that it wasn't worth watching nor talking about!

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 7:06 PM
  • The anti-Trump narrative; altho nothing there had anything to do with Trump.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 10:17 AM

    Lazarus, at this point I have to assume there is willingness to ignore the obvious. Of course it had to do with Trump. The boy(s) was wearing a MAGA hat which has everything to do with Trump. It wasn't the look on his face that brought offense it was the hat on his head.

    I by no means fit the "woe-is-me, we-are-so-mistreated pro-Trump" moniker.I don't particularly like Trump. He is blabber mouth and not well spoken by any means.

    But, I think he is trying to do what is best for America, maybe poorly, but he has at least got enough gumption to realize there is an immigration problem and try to do something about it.

    The countries morality, civility, and just plain common sense, has degraded terribly over the last decade. The media and the left is mostly to blame. There is a socialist agenda being foisted on us that is not going to end well. So, in that respect we all are victims.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 7:33 PM
  • I saw the hat every time but completely forgot it while writing. Thanks for bringing that back into the discussion.

    I agree that Trump is not the image I would like to have as president but as this “me too” movement progresses we find that many in the media are huge hypocrites when they criticize the Presidents crude comment s and actions when behind the scenes they are not much better, if at all.

    I blame Hollywood for putting this trash out there but also our society for allowing it and consuming it. How can anyone be surprised that the sexes disrespect each other when you see the lineup on even main stream, prime time TV?

    The channels we used to refer to as generic “cable” are even worse. I would add to their publicity by listing them and the “teasers” are maddening enough let alone think they have regular viewers.

    Any wonder why some foreigners and religious factions see the US as a cesspool of the devil?

    Getting back to Mr. Trump, who else running in 2016 could have weathered these attack’s with a “don’t give a d***n attitude? All our other politicians would have folded a long time ago.

    Organized or not, there is a behind the scenes power that is writhing like a snake with Trump in office since they can not control him. Money won’t do it and mudd slinging has had little affect. I hope the snake dies before they get more extreme.

    With the way the media plays along, it is easy to conclude they are either part of it, are bought out or so corrupt that they don’t care.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 8:27 PM
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    Everyone:

    Here is a quickie for you. How deep does the Rabbit hole go? The American Democrats don't want to protect our border with a wall. They want to invite all the illegal aliens into our Country and take care of them because they are Humans?

    What do the Hondurans say they want? They just want jobs so they can better their lives!

    Well, we elected Trump to protect our borders and to bring JOBS back to America. Trump did that by using his mean mentality and crude language and attitude and at the same time loving concern for the people involved.

    And so NOW the Democrats want the Mexicans, Hondurans and Central Americans to come right on in and take our jobs away from us that Trump has fought hard to get for us, using his abrupt methods to do it, that the American juveniles call him and his supports out on, calling us racists. It's not called racist, it's call defending ourselves from invaders.

    They won't just get our food stamps and debit cards and schooling, and our Social Security, Vehicles and Our JOBS that Trump brought back to America for Americans.

    Where are the people with the common sense?

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Jan 26, 2019, at 12:58 PM
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    Stevemills

    I know no one wants to hear it but, GOD is cleaning the Earth in our generation. GOD has groomed Trump for years to do His work here on Earth. The whole World is evil and going to hell. Trump has the job of Draining the swamp of the evil Deep State and corrupt Politicians AND CEO's of large corporations down to small business owners and employees of the Governments (Federal and State).

    Trump has to take down the Queen of England, the Pope and the Vatican, Former Presidents and cabinet members, and Congressmen/women/Senators, Supreme Court Justices, Judges and local government officials, Election Violators, Assassins, Human Traffickers, Human abusers of Children and adults *including the IRS, Central Banks, IMF, State Banks, Loan Companies, Mortgage Companies and Credit Card Companies.

    Trump has to default on the illegally established U.S. Deficit which will cause a "Limited Time Recession"! But before the Recession hits Trump will arrest the Main Stream Media for Treason for reporting lies about the news and what the President has done for the people,including Google, Facebook, Yahoo, and other Social Media Sites.

    This will apply to the World. Trump is removing the Deep State which has been controlling every Country. The U.S.A. has been the evil one behind all the wars and conflicts around the world.

    And the worse thing of all is TRUMP has to listen to the whiny Cry Babies in the united States of America who have no respect for this super loving man who is our President who is doing all this for the people who hate him.

    Trump had to increase the size of QITMO to house all the people who will be sent there as "enemy combatants". He has to use Military Tribunals to get justice because of all the corrupt judges and courts in the United States of America. The game is over for some 70,000 criminals. You will be shocked when you see the crimes these people committed and who they are.

    The latest is RBG is dead or on her death bed and kept out of the news BECAUSE, the deep state doesn't want Trump to appoint another Republican Justice of the SCOTUS. This would change the leverage of the SCOTUS out of the hands of the democrats for years to come.

    They are doing everything they can to assassinate or Impeach Trump so Nancy Pelosi will become the new President and she is suppose to step down and let Hillary be the President so the Deep State can completely destroy America and control the people.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Jan 26, 2019, at 1:22 PM
  • Hey Sui when is JFK Jr. coming to the rescue?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Jan 26, 2019, at 2:31 PM
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    I believe he makes his presence known to the public in March or April! The rescue as you put it has already come.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Jan 28, 2019, at 2:00 AM
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