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Steve Mills

Headlines of gun violence are putting the proverbial “cart before the horse”. Denver Colorado shooting at a STEM school

Posted Friday, May 10, 2019, at 2:59 PM
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    Kudos to the students that walked out. They know that if Kendrick or a responsible adult had a gun, Kendrick would probably be alive today. Nothing productive will happen to corral the crazy/evil people that do these things as long as the gun grabbers continue their assault on our rights.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, May 11, 2019, at 8:12 AM
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    I think that sums it up in a nutshell. Families need to be families again.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, May 11, 2019, at 1:00 PM
  • Mental health is definitely the issue. I submit that anyone who is biologically a male and thinks he is a female also has mental health issues.

    Society as a whole has some fault in the issue as well. It is also society as a whole that is suffering the consequences of those faults.

    It is terrible that innocent people suffer because of the mentally ill and evil people. That has been the case throughout human history. Denying good rational people the means to protect themselves only empowers the evil and mentally ill.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, May 11, 2019, at 8:38 PM
  • I agree that someone who feels they are trapped in the wrong body will have issues and our society needs to stop adding to the frustration and confusion by condemning the person. Our Lord is the only one who decides those things.

    I believe we are also seeing the results of our lenient society’s tolerance if not encouragement of violence with our video games and violent shows.

    We had sick people 50 years ago but I doubt that it was to this current level and guns were certainly around then.

    All the condoned violence desensitizes our youth and dehumanizes the damage they do. Do these mass murderers FEEL the loss of life, and tragedy they bring to others. Is it an unreal fantasy to them like a video game?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, May 11, 2019, at 9:09 PM
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    I agree that mental health is a big part of the issue. And it runs the gamut from the snowflakes with hurt feelings all the way to the floridly bat-poo crazy, ie true psychotic breakdown. But the psychotic end of the spectrum is small. Generally when they are in the middle of a breakdown, they don't have the ability to plan the work and work the plan.

    The biggest part of the problem is the various shades of butt hurt (usually) kids that never learned an effective way of dealing with life. This we can blame on society to some degree, but the parents that raise their kids to be mass murders, whiney little brats that are afraid of their own shadow, or liberal snowflakes bear the brunt of the responsibility.

    Violent games, movies, and music contribute to the problem. Should we ban them? No, I don't think so. I think people should be free to do whatever they want to, as long as they don't infringe on other people's rights. Should society thru peer pressure try to cut down on the violence being fed to kids? Sure. But more so should the parents not allow their kids to participate, or if they do, teach them to consume responsibly. To boil it down to way over 100 proof, sui had a very lucid moment when he said "Families need to be families again."

    Another small but definite part of the problem is truly evil people. Not much we can do about that other than protect ourselves from them. God will deal with them on judgment day.

    We, however, can deal with the rest of it. The most important thing we need to do is figure out away to get parents to do their job of parenting properly. Good luck with that. Another thing we can do is make sure people exercising their 2nd ammendment right are doing so responsibly. What some A-2ers and a lot of A-1ers on the left forget is that rights come attached with responsibilities. No one should (or can)(🤔) infringe my rights. But if I can't exercise my rights in a responsible manner, then I have given them up.

    People should be able to own and use guns until they show they are not doing so responsibly. To me, that means not using them to harm others and being in touch with reality. Having to get finger printed and pay the Crown money to carry your gun with you turns a right into a privilege. But I digress. Psychotic people are not in touch with reality and therefore don't have the right to bear arms. Know who else isn't in touch with reality? People who think they should sit when they really should stand to take a leak, or vice versa. Should they be allowed to sit instead of stand? Sure. But in the right bathroom. Should they have a gun? No. Should they get a trophy, sticker, or accolades from society? No. Maybe a nice cup of hot chocolate. Should they get our sympathy and some mental health help? Uh huh.

    Steve, I know that some of the people who used to comment and still lurk on this board are having a cow about now. And I know that you like cats. Assume for whatever reason you decide you want to be a cat and start identifying as such. Which would be the more sane thing for me to do? Agree and participate with you in your delusion that you are a cat? Or disagree with you and try to bring you back to reality?

    So, like I said before, when things like this happen the knee-jerk reaction of the left is to ban guns. And the non- libtard response will be to resist banning guns. So, not much progress will be made in solving the problem until the left decides to quit trying to deny us our fundamental rights.

    And yeah, people shouldn't bully others because they are confused about reality. But the kind thing to do is try to bring them back into reality, not encourage them in their confusion. Even kinder would be for their parents (plural) to teach them to grow a pair (either testes or ovaries, look down there if you don't know which they need) so they can effectively deal with this thing we call life.

    It all gets back to what quiet mike talks about from time to time: personal responsibility.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, May 12, 2019, at 2:51 AM
  • Family IS HUGE and parental oversight and discipline likewise. I hate to bring it all back to my generation but the 60-79’s was a big social revolution that probably started our slippery slope.

    We still had the moral upbringing to weather that revolution but we did not do as well with our kids. (As a society) Then society (the village) morals started changing, loosening and allowing things that shocked our parents. There are things that shock me now.

    I believe in freedom but there is a limit. I don’t want game manufacturers making violent games in the first place so parents don’t have to have a constant battle with their kids.

    I like the days when “prime time” strictly prohibited the violence, sex and off color humor we see today. Oh yes, they bleep out a few words but kids are sharp, they will find out what those words are and they will realize what is meant when two people get naked.

    I do not see myself as a prude, but I am in today’s society and that is sad. Parents should not have that to contend with either.

    Now to parents. If they have enough moral backbone to have standards, society should not tell them how to discipline their kids (within reason). A swift pop on the butt is not abuse but a slap or punch is going too far. How do you balance that?

    I and my siblings had a few meetings with the paddle. Not near bones and never anyplace but the butt. There was common sense and restraint. We survived just fine.

    We as a community allow more acting out and back-talk than we EVER would have gotten away with in our youth. If another adult chastises a child now, WATCH OUT! You get it from the parents and maybe even the courts.

    Bunch of misdirect crap.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, May 12, 2019, at 9:21 AM
  • When a society says killing an unborn baby is an empowering choice, should we really be surprised when a disaffected teen chooses to feel empowered by killing kids who are a few years older?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 12, 2019, at 10:23 PM
  • Quietmike, I agree. Food for thought for all folks in America.

    -- Posted by Wolf Clan on Mon, May 13, 2019, at 12:02 PM
  • Many might not see a correlation quietmike because of the way our society has degraded but there is more truth to this than many may admit.

    Everyone shouts that a woman has the right to do as she wishes with her body and that might be true, to a point. Once someone decides to engage unprotected sex, they've made a commitment to any child that may develop and that child, while needing their mother's body for a while should no longer be considered "part of her body".

    I understand that there are exceptions when the woman did not agree to sex. (Rape in any form)

    I wish there was a way to commit the male to the same standard but SOCIETY is the only entity that could have an influence. What seems like many years ago a man would be severely criticized and even jailed for not "doing the right thing" and accepting responsibility for that child.

    Now the "State" seems to have assumed the responsibility. Some because our irresponsible adults don't want it and some because the State wants it so they can tell us what to do and make us more dependent on them.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, May 13, 2019, at 12:31 PM
  • Steve,

    Have you seen the news where lefty celeb women are protesting Georgia's new law against abortion.

    They're saying they'll practice abstinence if they can't have abortions on demand.

    I guess that being the whole point is beyond their comprehension.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, May 15, 2019, at 4:40 AM
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    Let's all take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave young school children who lay down their lives to protect our right to bear arms.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Wed, May 15, 2019, at 10:33 AM
  • RV, I fear you miss the point of this blog. I am saying we should work on WHY young people feel the need to "sacrifice our brave young children", not by what means they were attacked.

    Since the only group that seems to "benefit" from children's death and trauma is the gun control groups, the dedication is from those who wish to take our rights away. Your statement should be revised to "Let's all take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave young school children who lay down their lives to" provide anti-gun fanatics the fodder they need to pursue their agenda.

    The fact that a politicized event was organized to gain traction for gun control, speaks for itself. The innocent children are the ones of clear mind that resent the use of their pain to foster a political movement.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, May 15, 2019, at 11:45 AM
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    Yeah, I saw that meme too, RV. Didn't laugh at it then or now.

    Better yet, let's all take a moment to honor the sacrifice our brave young men and women in uniform make on a daily basis that sometimes includes laying down their life so you can decide whether or not you want to exercise your rights.

    People can choose not to exercise their own rights. They don't get to make that decision for others.

    Isn't it a shame Colorado doesn't have a law making it illegal to kill people? Oh, wait a minute, I think they do! Does anyone really think a person that would violate that law would follow one that said they couldn't have a gun? I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell to those people.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, May 15, 2019, at 12:03 PM
  • Even rabidly anti gun folks, when faced with a violent criminal, will call someone with a gun to intervene.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, May 15, 2019, at 8:27 PM
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    fair share, I'm glad you didn't laugh at my post, because it wasn't meant to be humorous.

    Kinda surprising thou, since I have seen you make fun of women that were victims of sexual assault.

    Trump mocks the disabled and republicans are fine with that.

    I guess children massacred with assault weapons is where you draw the line?

    Good to know there actually is a line.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 7:59 AM
  • Trump mocks the disabled and republicans are fine with that.

    -posted by RocketValentine

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    I don't remember you getting all aflutter when obama compared his bowling to the special olympics.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 10:19 AM
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    RV, don't you think you are twisting things a bit? But that is such a typical tactic of the left.

    You have not seen me make fun of women because of their sexual assault victimhood. You have seen me make fun of the name they picked for their club. Why in the world would a woman claiming to be a victim of sexual assault want to join a group called Pound Me Too?

    And anyone that doesn't see the difference is either blind or a liar. But it is SOP for the left. If people really believe in A1,they believe people are able to say what they want. Hate speech is speech. We have the right to do that. Plenty of people on the left exercise that right all day long.

    I have the right to engage in hate speech and to make fun of women who are victims of sexual assault. I choose not to do that because that would put me on the same level as those that exploit school children that are massacred by criminals misusing weapons of defense to promote their misguided attempt at rights stealing.

    Since we still have A1 on the books, here is a joke. I hope no one gets offended. I don't dislike Italians, just think this is funny.

    Why don't Italians like Jehovah Witnesses? Italians don't like Any witnesses.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 10:29 AM
  • Hey, I have Italian heritage! My grandfather might take offense at being lumped in with the Mafioso but I don't so no protests being organized from here. No reparations either for the way the Italians were treated when they came to this country.

    My other side goes back to the pilgrims and may have some Indian in it as well. No reparations needed for them either although some casino rights would be nice. ;-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 12:24 PM
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    Steve, I also have a little Italian in me. Well, at least my Grandma did! Bada bing. Also English, French, (tho I don't claim that part), Indian (feather, not dot) and several other ingredients. At least I know enough to leave the cannoli and take the gun.

    Not much point in slugging thru day after day if we can't laugh at ourselves and others now and then. Of course some people make it easy to laugh at them regularly. Such as AOC.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 12:46 PM
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    Since you mentioned AOC, here's a trailer for an excellent documentary on Netflix. I can see why republicans are so terrified of her. She's brilliant.

    https://youtu.be/_wGZc8ZjFY4

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 2:07 PM
  • Terrified, No way. Pity is the word.

    -- Posted by Wolf Clan on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 5:14 PM
  • RV I do not know much about AOC. A friend is very interested in having a conversation about her so I expect to know more but I did not see anything brilliant in the trailer so I suppose you have seen the actual documentary?

    I heard she worked for Ted Kennedy's campaign and took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session,later becoming the LDZ Secretary of State while she attended Boston University. Was that in the documentary?

    I have no doubt that she is a "go-getter" and hard worker but seems to keep speaking before thinking. It is easy to do when you get fired up about something but in today's social media world, that can make one fodder for many criticisms and jokes.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM
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    Terrified? Hardly. Pity is the exact right word. It's a good thing she has a pleasant looking face (when she's not doing the jack *** hehaw) because she just ain't got it between the ears. Gotta give her credit for being good for a lot of laughs.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 8:11 PM
  • When someone says AOC, the person mesmerized by a garbage disposal, is brilliant, that tells you quite a bit about that person.

    Actually AOC is walking proof of the failure of our education system. She has a college degree, and is about as sharp as a billiard ball.

    If she was brilliant, why didn't she take up the $10,000 challenge to debate Ben Shapiro?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 8:55 PM
  • I plan to have a post just about some of the new Congress members so I will stay away from AOC further except to say that I learned some important insights about the value of education and real life.

    There is value in both but when it comes down to common sense a formal education means very little. That may be a good topic for another post as well, since there is a lot more to say.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 9:35 PM
  • I look forward to that post Steve.

    It is telling that the party who calls Trump "literally Hitler" has so many freshman members with openly anti-semetic comments.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, May 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM
  • It is obvious that the Democratic party has become the socialist party. AOC and Bernie Sanders openly declare their socialism.

    Hitler and socialist had no regard for life as they slaughtered millions that they deemed unworthy to live. Democrats do the same thing with abortion. One Democratic senator even said "kill them now or kill them later". Socialist always want to disarm those they want to control. Then, they can kill the defenseless, unwanted, "basket of deplorables", "later". A school shooting provides the perfect breeding grounds to push their evil agenda. Thankfully, these students were smart enough to recognize it for what it was.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, May 17, 2019, at 2:09 PM
  • Hitler was a failed liberal arts student (painter) who believed in universal healthcare, declared a subsection of the population as not really humans deserving legal protection, and convinced an angry mob all the country's problems were caused by the rich.

    Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, May 17, 2019, at 8:34 PM
  • -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, May 17, 2019, at 10:59 PM
  • This looks more like grandstanding to garner more support for her socialist views. AOC is only pointing out what numerous others before her had already done. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/opinion/prep-hiv-aids-drug.html

    Truvada was approved by the FDA in 2012. Gilead like other companies has exploited the greed (which we all have) of our government officials to get their way. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000026221&cycle=2018

    The failure with Truvada pricing rests with the government. If the research was done by the public, then the government should not allow Gilead to patent an invention not of their own making.

    By plundering the public treasury to fund a private company and then allowing the private company to plunder the people through price gouging is a prime example of government failure. Socialism is not the answer to that problem, it is a symptom.

    Our government has already gone to far socialist for the peoples own good. The Truvada and other corrupted medical industry products is evidence of that fact. The government take over of healthcare just adds fuel to the fire leaving the taxpayers on the hook for the cost of the burning.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 2:59 AM
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    Liveforlight, you claim "AOC is only pointing out what numerous others have already done, and then you reference a NYT opinion piece. That's great.

    Now let's look at our politicians that take millions from the pharmaceutical companies. AOC is one of the few in congress actually trying to stop the greed of big pharm. Republicans, just like with the NRA, take their money and let them write their own laws.

    Like I said...gotta love her.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 5:55 AM
  • As usual,RV only tells part of the story.

    Big pharma "donates" to both parties, with democrats getting more payouts.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=H04++

    Perhaps more importantly, which party wants more government control of healthcare?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 7:50 AM
  • In more medical news, Emily Ratajkowski, in addition to posing nude to protest Alabama's new abortion law (???), said the following...

    This week, 25 old white men voted to ban abortion in Alabama even in cases of incest and rape. These men in power are imposing their wills onto the bodies of women in order to uphold the patriarchy and perpetuate the industrial prison complex by presenting women of low income opportunity the right to chose not to reproduce. The states trying to ban abortions have the highest proportions of black women living there.

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    Maybe I'm misinterpreting her meaning, but it sounds like she's saying black babies should be killed before they grow up to be black criminals.

    Margaret Sanger had identical views.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 8:12 AM
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    Mikey, the point I was making is that we do finally have a politician that doesn't accept money from big pharm or corporate lobbyists.

    Someone who was a blue collar worker and fights to protect average Americans.

    Someone that's not a career politician.

    Her name is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 9:37 AM
  • RV, the point I was making is that the failure is with the government, mostly the Democrats but nearly equally GOP, who take the campaign money and lobbyist money. The other link I posted has tabs that break down where the money from Gilead went.

    If I knew nothing else about AOC, I know she is a socialist. That is enough reason to oppose her and her ideology.

    The Socialist in Nazi Germany also took control by pointing out the inadequacies of the government and then asserted that if they were in control it would be better. We all know how that ended.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 10:06 AM
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    And here's another clip of AOC showing her brilliance as she gets Trumps personal lawyer to admit that Trump has committed tax fraud.

    Watching this clip, its obvious that she's a very bright young woman.

    Republicans trying to paint her otherwise look foolish, but I guess they have to try something.

    https://youtu.be/SRK3FwmjH-Y

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 10:08 AM
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    RV, I appreciate you posting these links to AOC trying to act like an adult. Fun to watch once in a while. I don't always listen to Socialists, but when I do, I buy more ammo.

    The Democratic Socialists in America have a nice message: "Everything is free!". Too bad they can't be completely honest and tell us the rest of the story: "Except you".

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 2:17 PM
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    Thanks fairshare, I thought you and others might appreciate the links where you can actually see AOC intelligently speaking in congress. I'm sure your only other knowledge of her was from right-wing Facebook memes claiming her to be stupid. Glad I could at least clear that misconception up for you.

    You should also check out that Netflix documentary.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 3:52 PM
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    Sorry RV, but you didn't really clear up any non-misconception. Just because the paranoid schizophrenic thinks he is being followed, doesn't prove the CIA isn't watching him. And just because Facebook has some memes portraying AOC as stupid, doesn't prove she isn't a flaming idiot.

    I've seen a fair number of AOC memes. Many are funny. But my knowledge of her is based on what I see coming out of her mouth. Not a meme, not an opinion piece, but what she says.

    You can't tax your way to prosperity. You can't ban your way to safety. You can't appease your way to peace. You can't legislate your way to morality. Anyone who thinks or says differently is stupid. No matter how smart they might look when spit-shined with a script in front of a camera. Pretty simple.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 4:37 PM
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    Spit-shined with a script in front of a camera. Funny you'd say that. Analysis taken from Trump's speeches found that he's speaks at a 4th grade level.

    Now...I'm not sure if he's actually that dumb, or he's just trying to connect with his base. But it's most likely a combination of both.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 5:08 PM
  • AOC cost New York 25,000 jobs by blundering the Amazon headquarters deal. Then said instead of giving Amazon 3 billion in tax breaks, New York should give that 3 billion to teachers.

    She said ending climate change would stop racism.

    When asked to name the three branches of government, she replied the presidency, senate, and house of representatives.

    When asked about the Israel/Palestine conflict, she says it's about a lack of palestinian housing.

    That's how "intelligent" she is.

    But she is a socialist, offering freebies to losers, so dems adore her.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 6:00 PM
  • I may not have much discussion in the post about Freshman Congressmen. LOL

    RV I do not get Netflix so again I am curious of AOC was a worker for Ted Kennedy and if she took part in the National Hispanic Institute's Lorenzo de Zavala (LDZ) Youth Legislative Session,later becoming the LDZ Secretary of State while she attended Boston University, why would she say in the trailer that she did not think much about becoming a politician? She was at lest ankle deep in it through college.

    Did the documentary also discuss her initial attempt at business, book publisher?

    Did she accept any funds from the Democratic Party for her campaign? If so, she accepted some Pharma money and probably a few other companies she seems to dislike.

    Her questions were valid in the first clip we saw asking about pharmaceutical research funded by the U.S. but allowed to be patented privately. I do not know what investment the companies had in the employees, buildings and equipment used in that research. If that too was paid for by the US taxpayer, my eyebrows are raised in question as well.

    Anyone know the answer?

    By the way, I think Amazon was looking for an excuse to pull out of NYC so her objections, while not good for her constituents, probably helped Amazon.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 6:13 PM
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    Right on the Amazon deal, Steve. A corporate giant deal isn't just scrapped because of the opinion of one freshman congresswoman.

    But then, that's just Mikey proving that Trump speaking at a 4th grade level is connecting with his base.

    Mikey, please provide the quote or link where AOC says ending climate change would stop racism.

    You really to stop getting your information from Facebook memes.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 6:34 PM
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    She also wants to ban daylight savings time. Because that extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day contributes to global warming.

    In all honesty, I believe this is just a joke. I haven't (yet) actually seen her say this.

    Also in all honesty, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I did see it sometime. Because of all the stupid sh!t she does say.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 7:11 PM
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    I personally like the story Trump has repeated several times about wind turbines, where the woman can't watch television at her house because the winds not blowing. When it comes to saying stupid sh!t, Trump wins.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 10:55 PM
  • -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 11:12 PM
  • Nevermind AOCs claim of the world ending in 12 years if climate change is not fixed, with her green new deal, a claim she defended against several critics for some time.

    Now she says anyone who took the 12 year claim literally has the social intelligence of a sea sponge.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, May 18, 2019, at 11:47 PM
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    When I was a kid, we had a different term for climate change. We called it "seaons". Of course the state tried to indoctrinate us at school with the new ice age BS. When they couldn't show it was getting colder, they decided to push the global warming BS. When that didn't work, they switched it to climate change.

    That was brilliant of them. They finally found something that really works. Of course the climate changes. It always has. And it always will. But as usual, they haven't really thought this through to the end. The climate will only stop changing when there is no more climate, earth, or time.

    Or racism. So maybe AOC stumbled into being right whilst sounding like a total dumbf**k. Even a blind pig finds a truffle now and again. While ending racism is a noble endeavor, none of us will survive AOC's cure.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 12:43 AM
  • Good point Fair.

    For at least 50 years, leftys have been hysterical about some type of impending doom, and always looking for government to save them.

    Population bomb

    Silent spring

    Ice age

    Peak oil

    Acid rain

    Hole in the ozone

    global warming (hey it's not warming)

    Climate change (hey its been changing forever)

    GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION (that's overdramatic, even for us)

    and back to..

    Climate change

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 1:15 AM
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    Mikey, thanks for providing the link to show your claim AOC said ending climate change would stop racism was total fabrication on your part.

    So I'll print her direct quote on creating renewable energy jobs.

    “It’s not just possible that we will create jobs and economic activity by transitioning to renewable energy,” she said, “but it’s inevitable that we are going to create jobs, it’s inevitable that we are going to create industry, and it’s inevitable that we can use the transition to 100 percent renewable as the vehicle to truly deliver and establish economic, social and racial justice in the United States.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.teenvogue.com/story/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-cl...

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 3:40 AM
  • As usual, we have to dumb things down for RV.

    Delivering racial justice means exactly what?

    That there is currently some racial injustice.

    Racial injustice is a synonymous term for racism (google racial injustice).

    So if AOC says ending climate change (the entire purpose for her idiotic "green new deal") would bring racial justice, meaning ending racial injustice, ie racism.

    No wonder you pine for government to make all the decisions for you.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 5:29 AM
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    LOL, nice runaround you did there. Now maybe you can explain what Trump means when he says the noise from windmills causes cancer. Or, if when the wind stops blowing, the poor old lady at home can't watch her television.

    Since you had no trouble fabricating your AOC "quote", this should be easy for you.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 8:06 AM
  • With you not posting for so long, I've forgotten just how dense you are.

    FWIW-I didnt quote AOC. I gave examples of her stupidity.

    That you apparently don't understand synonyms is your stupidity.

    As for no TV if the wind stops blowing, Trump said this in response to AOCs green new deal, which suggests abandoning all non-renewable energy sources, leaving only things like windmills and solar cells to produce electricity.

    Now here's the really tricky part. If all you have are windmills and solar cells producing electricity, if the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, then....

    I think even you can muddle your way to that answer.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 8:21 AM
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    Your "example of her stupidity" was a disingenuous interpretation of what she actually said. She was talking about how creating multitudes of blue collar jobs could "deliver and establish economic, social, AND racial injustice.

    So she's talking about creating jobs for minorities. But somehow you get to "AOC says ending climate change will stop racism". She never said that.

    Now here's the tricky part, wind turbines and solar cells have charging banks that store energy (for when the suns not shining or the winds not blowing), so when poor Aunt Ethel, or whoever Trump is talking about in his ridiculous explanation, is at home and the wind isn't blowing, she'll still be able to watch her television.

    Sorry I had to dumb things down for you, but I hope it helps you to understand.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 8:45 AM
  • Sigh, If someone told you they drove their car to Nashville, then later said they drove their vehicle to Nashville, would they be lying with one story or are vehicles and cars used interchangeably?

    Racial injustice and racism are also interchangeable, but you can't admit that because you can't bring yourself to criticize a democrat.

    As for creating jobs for minorities, Trump has set records for doing that, but again you can't bring yourself to admit that.

    Most studys show wind and solar might possibly supply 80% of the country's energy needs by 2050. Too bad the world will be gone in 12 years, according to the "brilliant" AOC.

    So, if we do manage to survive until 2050, without bursting into flames like Vietnamese monks, solar and wind will still be at a 20% deficit, so how can energy be stored for later, when it isn't producing enough for now?

    Is that going to involve some of that Paul Krugman math?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 9:26 AM
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    "She was talking about how creating multitudes of blue collar jobs could "deliver and establish economic, social, AND racial injustice."

    Posted by RocketValentine

    So more jobs will deliver and establish racial injustice? Offering people of certain races is a racial injustice? Yup, sounds like a demoncrat. [Sidebar: she may be more suited for creating bloe jobs than blue collar jobs.]

    But in defense of AOC (or should we change it to AOK?), she has done more than anyone else to reduce the dumb blonde joke problem we had. With honorable mention going to her muslim sisters in the House.

    Well it is still early but looks like maybe sleepy uncle joe could be the demonrat 2020 nominee. I wonder what his campaign slogan might be. Maybe Grope And Change? With that funny little obummer logo inside the o.

    I've been thinking about the sex boycott Alyssa is encouraging for Georgia and other states. She doesn't want women to have sex because they might get pregnant. I wonder if she will ever realize they have had that power all along. The Catholic Church also says you shouldn't have sex unless you want to get pregnant. Hmmmmm. Very interesting.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM
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    Again, you're trying to equate AOC's plan for creating jobs for minorities, to somehow also meaning the end of some peoples beliefs that one race is superior to another. Your interpretation of her actual quote is totally off base and disingenuous.

    And since being elected, Trumps approval ratings among blacks has hovered around 8 to 12 percent.

    Is that the record setting phenomenon you're talking about?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 10:02 AM
  • RV,

    Even you really aren't that dumb are you?

    I suggested earlier you google racial injustice. It really is a synonym (synonyms are words with effectively the same meaning as another word) as racism.

    Racial injustice is not a synonym for unemployment.

    I said Trump has set records for black employment, nothing about black approval ratings.

    (are all these big words really that confusing to you?)

    But thanks for confirming what I said earlier about the type of person who would think AOC is brilliant.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 5:49 PM
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    Your inadequate reading comprehension just can't seem to decipher that when AOC was talking about creating jobs for minorities, that didn't mean those job opportunities would also end some peoples personal beliefs about one race being superior to another. I suggest you go back and read the original quote to yourself (slowly) and try again to grasp the context of her statement.

    I have faith that if you try, you can overcome your deficiency. I mean, look at Trump. He made it all the way to the Presidency with a 4th grade reading level. So there is still hope for you.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 6:23 PM
  • I guess you really are that stupid.

    Let's break it down even more for you.

    The Oxford dictionary defines injustice as a lack of fairness or justice.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/injustice

    Racial injustice adds the adjective racial to injustice.

    Adjectives are words describing nouns, giving extra information/specificity about them.

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/grammar/word-classes/adjectives

    So racial injustice means a lack of fairness based on race.

    Unemployment means not having a job.

    https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/unempl...

    So, as even hopefully you can see at this point, unemployment and injustice do not mean the same thing, as both people with and without a job can suffer from injustices.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 6:52 PM
  • On the off chance you still don't understand (who am I kidding, we all know it to be the case), simply do a google search for racial injustice as I suggested in the first place.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+racial+injustice

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 7:38 PM
  • RV do you support Socialism?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, May 19, 2019, at 9:32 PM
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    Liveforlight, I support our police and fire departments. I support our public schools, parks, and freeway systems. I support our military, social security and Medicare.

    Republicans like to use the word "socialism" like the boogeyman. They called FDR a socialist when he enacted The New Deal.

    Socialism by definition is a concept where everyone pays into a common system which is then used for the benefit of everyone. In that sense, we already use socialist programs every day.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 6:32 AM
  • One of the opposing concepts that AOC espouses is jobs for blue collar workers but higher taxes and controls on corporations/businesses. She is supposed to have tried her hand in the publishing business but failed, owing TAXES.

    She should have learned that you can’t have blue collar jobs without someone or corporation establishing a business with which the BC workers earn their living.

    You can’t encourage companies to grow their business by demonizing them and taxing them into oblivion. Everyone who has not run a business uses a few high profile companies to “assume” that all businesses are making a killing in profits.

    And profits should not be a dirty word. Who do you know who starts a business envisioning long hard days, weeks, months and years of sweat in order to break even. They might have an altruistic vision of what their company can do, but they still expect compensation (profit).

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 7:30 AM
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    Well, FDR was a socialist. And yes, we have socialist aspects of government and have had for a long time. We need to be getting as far away from as much of the socialism as we can. Not running full tilt off the edge into the abyss like the current demonrat elite have conned their proletariat comrades into swallowing with the koolaid.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 7:55 AM
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    Amazon made $11.2 billion in profits last year and paid absolutely $0 in federal taxes. Taxing them into oblivion? Hell, I paid more to the federal government than they did.

    In the 1950's the typical CEO earned 20 times the salary of the average worker.

    Today's CEO's earn 361 times more than the average worker.

    Capitalism, like socialism, can also get out of control if left totally unregulated.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 8:09 AM
  • Corporate taxes and tariffs are identical in their net effect to the consumer.

    All business expenses are passed down as higher prices on finished goods.

    Corporate taxes are simply hidden taxes on consumers.

    So why all the wailing about tariffs, while corporate taxes are sacrosanct?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 9:22 AM
  • FDR was not only a socialist, he is responsible for the starvation of many Americans during the depression.

    During the depression, food prices were falling, as part of natural market correction.

    FDR stymied this correction by putting the Agricultural Adjustment Act into effect. Under this act, the government paid farmers tens of millions, in depression era dollars, to burn or plow under their crops, and slaughter their livestock and leave them to rot.

    So at a time when there were no jobs to be had, and money legitimately scarce, FDR priced food out of reach of a population where starvation was a very real possibility.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 9:30 AM
  • RV I totally agree that we have many socialist style programs already.

    But, this is the definition of Socialism:

    so·cial·ism

    /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/

    Learn to pronounce

    noun

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Do you support socialism as defined above?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 10:13 AM
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    I wouldn't want complete socialism anymore than I'd want complete capitalism. I like that we have a combination. Republicans seem to think we can privatize everything. There are some things that a strong central government does better. Police, fire, military, clean food and drinking water, etc. Do you agree?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 12:09 PM
  • Police, fire, and drinking water are handled at the local level.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 12:23 PM
  • I wouldn't want complete socialism anymore than I'd want complete capitalism.

    Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 12:09 PM

    That sounds about right.

    You want the part of socialism that takes care of the "have nots" because they won't work to be taken care of by the part of capitalism that provides for the "haves" that do work.

    Kind of like wanting to have your cake and eating it at the same time.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 12:33 PM
  • I do agree that the services you mentioned are better controlled by the Government. In fact most of those are essential to the proper function of government.

    However, there is a difference between controlling the means of production, exchange, and distribution and controlling services.

    The definition of Capitalism:

    cap·i·tal·ism

    /ˈkapədlˌizəm/

    Learn to pronounce

    noun

    an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

    The phrase "for profit" is what most people on the left point to as greed. However, one doesn't have to be in business "for profit" although that is the primary reason.

    I also agree with your earlier statement about things getting out of hand in either system. This happens because it is generally human nature to gain the most (greed) for the least amount of effort. That is the nature of plunder. The difference in CEO pay vs labor pay ratio is evidence of that.

    No wealth is created without the efforts of the human being doing the work. A mountain of gold is worthless until someone digs it up and makes something (work) with it. The person who adds value deserves to keep that value, or at least the majority of it, not the community/government or a CEO. Doing so is called Plundering the person. That is what the law is supposed to prevent.

    Socialism is the means to plunder everyone of everything up to, and including, your life.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 12:38 PM
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    Blessed, is that how you feel when you use any of the social programs I listed above? Are you having your cake and eating it too?

    Mikey, police and fire are operated and maintained thru communal funds for the benefit of all. They are by definition "socialist" programs. Public drinking water systems are strictly regulated by the state and federal EPA.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 3:34 PM
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    One thing we need to keep in mind while traipsing down this road to full blown socialism. We can vote ourselves into socialism. We won't be able to vote ourselves out of it. The only way out is shooting your way out. Something to keep in mind when, for the most part, the socialists and the gun grabbers are one and the same.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 3:41 PM
  • RV

    You said they were better managed by "a strong central government".

    They are managed by independent local governments, not a strong central one.

    You have to study past the talking points.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 3:52 PM
  • Socialism is a parasitic economic ideology. To survive, it must feed off of a capitalist economy. Full socialism results in Cuba and Venezuela.

    Socialism also imposes the average on everyone, so only below average people would see a benefit in socialism.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 3:56 PM
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    Mikey, keep telling yourself that while you take full advantage of the socialist services you personally use everyday.

    You remind of a guy I used to work with, he also constantly complained about "liberals" and "big government", then one day I see him open up his wallet and out pops his EBT food card.

    Y'all self-righteous righties crack me up.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 4:46 PM
  • RV,

    I'd glady eliminate all the socialist programs, and have said as much for some time.

    You, and your liberal brethren, are always looking to shirk more responsibility and have government take it over.

    The really amazing part is someone can literally go from birth to death, living on the government dole, right now, but even that isn't enough for you leftys, who are always wanting more freebies.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 5:25 PM
  • RV I do not consider any of the things you mentioned to be "social programs". They are best defined as services.

    If you look at both of the definitions of socialism and capitalism posted by Liveforlight you should be able to easily comprehend that none of your mentioned services are considered a country's trade and industry production, distribution and exchange.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 6:04 PM
  • Public drinking water systems are strictly regulated by the state and federal EPA.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 3:34 PM

    RV there is the difference between "regulating" a non-profit service and controlling a for profit industry.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 6:11 PM
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    There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.

    So, whether you call them "programs" or "services" doesn't really matter. They are all forms of socialism

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 6:37 PM
  • Uh...don't think so. Nice try though.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 7:40 PM
  • RV I would have to agree that salaries (even of the "not for profit" agencies is way out of scale, but that is for free enterprise to adjust. There is no reason that a failed CEO from one company comes to another company and gets millions in pay. As a stockholder, they should object, but if they do, it is smothered.

    We have an example in our own State government where a Chief of Staff made way too much for their position. They may have had great experience but others can do the job and would be happy for half. THIS is where the people have every right to question salaries and demand more realistic pay scale. In this case I can't help but think something else is behind the high rate, and that something is not good.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 7:58 PM
  • QuietMike you made an interesting point about FDR and the Agricultural Adjustment Act. Saving the farmers was laudable but to do so and throw away food is just the opposite, despicable. Even now, food must not be thrown away for allowed to rot when the world could put it to good use.

    NOT GOVERNMENTS but how do you distribute it except with/through a government? More than likely the ruling force in an area of extreme hunger will use it for their benefit not the average family.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 8:24 PM
  • Robert Smith, the billionaire CEO, told graduates at Morehouse college he'd be paying off their collective 40 million dollars in student loans.

    He immediately received criticism from Bernie Sanders, who questioned why that money shouldn't have instead went to the needy federal government.

    (for the dullards the second paragraph didn't really happen, but is satire, as that is the argument for socialism, and against "greedy" CEOs)

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 8:38 PM
  • That was a class act. I hope after the initial exuberance the recipients of his generosity truly "pass it forward".

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 8:49 PM
  • Steve,

    It would be distributed just as it was before the depression, and after. Trucks and trains would deliver it to stores and other buyers, and the end consumer would buy from them. The only thing that would change is lower prices.

    FDR, and keynesian economists since, believe(d) that lower prices are the cause of downturns, instead of vice versa.

    Simple logic shows the fallacy of keynesian thinking. If a store has stock that isn't moving (a very localized downturn), often they respond by having a sale (lowered prices) to spur activity in their localized market.

    It's also worth noting there was a depression in 1920,where government took no action, instead letting the market corrrect itself. This correction happened so quickly, the 1920 depression is known as the "forgotten depression".

    FDRs actions both worsened and lengthened the great depression.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 8:54 PM
  • Socialism ALWAYS fails. Our own socialist type activities are pushing us deeper and deeper into debt. It all boils down to control/power/money. It does not matter which party, if any, you support. Both parties want control so they can plunder the people. Socialism gives them unfettered access to control/power/money.

    Margaret Thatcher probably said it best.

    "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they’re now trying to control everything by other means. They’re progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people."

    The progressive/socialist ideology is summed up pretty well by her statement.

    Until people realize that neither party is looking out for no ones interest but their own, things are only going to get worse. How/why would anyone think giving the political parties, who can't even balance a budget, more power would be a good thing?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 9:49 PM
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    QM, as you know, satire is based on an element of truth. And you hit that nail square on the head. I can see in my mind's eye burney making that very remark.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, May 20, 2019, at 10:10 PM
  • There are a very few things that the feds should do and they're clearly enumerated in the constitution.

    Things like national defense, coining money, etc.

    They shouldn't be involved in charity.

    It's odd that leftys deride "greedy billionaires".

    The same structure that Jeff Bezos and Sam Walton used is available to everyone else. They just made better use of it than most people.

    No different than giving me paints, brushes, and a canvas vs. giving them to Picasso.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, May 21, 2019, at 10:18 AM
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    Dang, quietmike, just when I thought you were a real conservative, there you go wanting people to give you stuff. Go out and get your own paints, brushes, and canvas. (😂😂😂)

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, May 21, 2019, at 5:49 PM
  • Trump just ordered everything related to the Russia investigation declassified, including the FISA warrant application.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, May 23, 2019, at 8:22 PM
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    Boy, I wish we could have seen this coming. If only someone in the know would have warned us earlier about it.

    But it looks like pelosi and crew are gonna ride their rotten ship all the way to the bottom screaming "collusion and obstruction".

    Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

    Question of the day: How many liberals does it take to defend America?

    Answer: No one knows. They've never tried.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, May 23, 2019, at 8:33 PM
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    So it looks like the democraps are finally gonna get what they've been crying for. It will be fun to see how badly they belch and moan when they get it. When will they learn they are not the prime time players they think they are. Next time they want to play chicken, they should play it with someone other than Trump.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, May 23, 2019, at 8:39 PM
  • Anyone else notice the Virginia Beach shooting isn't getting nearly the press coverage as usual?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 4:57 AM
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    You mean the one where the black guy killed a lot of white people?

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 5:24 AM
  • Excellent point QuietMike. I gu as the anti-gun movement does not see fertile ground there. Nor do they want to step on BLM?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 7:08 AM
  • Actually, I am surprised the press does not ask why the shooter had to be killed.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 7:09 AM
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