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Steve Mills

How would JFK rate with the current Democratic Party?

Posted Monday, October 28, 2019, at 11:24 AM
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    The demonrat party today would treat JFK badly. Because he wouldn't be socialist enough for them. The MSM would protect him like they did in the past and as is their habit for anyone of the demonrat persuasion.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Oct 28, 2019, at 8:03 PM
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    Had Kennedy not gotten Assassinated, Yes he would have received the same treatment from the Deep State and their News Media as Trump - BECAUSE - Kennedy was planning on doing some of the things Trump has done and is doing.

    JF Kennedy gave a speech to a college telling them that there was a higher force using the office of the President to do their agenda. I think his Mistress Marilyn Monroe was set up by the Deep State to go to JF Kennedy and find out what he knew. After they found out what she knew, they had the CIA throw MM out of her High Rise Apartment Building.

    Yes the Deep State was just as evil back then as it is today!!!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Oct 28, 2019, at 8:42 PM
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    Sui, Marilyn lived in a house. She wasn't thrown out and didn't jump. She died of a barbiturate overdose. The powers that be claim it was self inflicted, possibly accidental. My money would be on RFK or his associates or la Cosa Nostra. Only thing I know for sure is it wasn't Jumping Joe.

    The Kennedys seem like a nice family, except for their propensity for offing women. They sure knew how to party.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Oct 29, 2019, at 12:10 AM
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    J.F.K. was fighting for the same ideas back then as the Democrats of today.

    Here’s a clip of him taking about raising the minimum wage and universal healthcare. I guess back then they might have called it “KennedyCare”?


    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Tue, Oct 29, 2019, at 4:30 PM
  • Boy, sure did like his speeches. I need to go back and see what they were proposing at that time.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 29, 2019, at 9:16 PM
  • John F.Kennedy was an idealist who envisioned making the country better for ALL of us. ALL OF US. He gave us hope and strived tirelessly to bring about change for the greater good. He projected his class and we behaved accordingly. He was not perfect in all instances but he tried to be where it mattered. He was the most positive political influence of my lifetime.........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Oct 30, 2019, at 12:05 PM
  • I should have said "where it mattered to the country ".

    It all mattered......Obviously to some more than others...

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Oct 30, 2019, at 12:55 PM
  • As soon as JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you", modern dems would scream at the sky and run for a safe space.

    Same with "Every dollar released from taxation, that is spent or invested, will create a new job and a new salary".

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Oct 30, 2019, at 6:03 PM
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    They wouldn't even hear the "Ask what you can do for your country" what with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Even though JFK was a Demoncrat, I do have to give him props for being a positive political influence. And it might have been possible if he hadn't been taken out by the deep state, or whoever, that he could have even risen to the level of Reagan or Trump.

    But Heaven forbade us from all behaving accordingly to the class he projected. Otherwise poor Marilyn would have had much more wear and tear.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 30, 2019, at 9:35 PM
  • " Ask Not " was one of my favorite lines from his speeches and I am a modern Dem.....This is what we believe regardless of the spin others would have you believe....

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Oct 30, 2019, at 11:32 PM
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    Trump has surpassed JFK by a thousand fold. Trump has already done more than JFK even thought about doing. I could tell you things that are going on in the USA today that Trump is fighting and defeating that would blow your mind and get me banned from this website forever! These are things that a good News Media would be reporting on to inform the people.

    Trump is not only fighting with the Republicans, Democrats, Judges, the Lower courts, the State Courts, the Federal Courts, the Main Stream Media, the Shadow Government, the Deep State, the Ninth Circle, the illuminati and Demons from hell. I am talking, the Devil's #1 and #2 Level DEMONS and Trump is winning over all of them.

    JFK had no idea who and what he would have to fight to win America back for the people.

    Trump KNOWS!

    Donald John Trump is a genus and the Greatest President and White Man in the history of these united States of America... bar none!

    I know things that most people will never know in their entire lifetime. I will also say again, "I know things that no man should ever be allowed to know".

    Now you can really show EVERYONE your ignorance.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Oct 31, 2019, at 1:34 AM
  • Palindrome, I too loved that speech. Wish we could hear it at every inauguration.

    Quiet Mike, I liked that other quote as well about taxation and pulled up this comparison of Kennedy and Trump. https://www.creators.com/read/stephen-moore/12/17/what-john-f-kennedy-and-donald...

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Oct 31, 2019, at 1:00 PM
  • Palindrome,

    I've been asking for years for an example of anything democrats do that isn't based on avoiding personal responsibility and getting free stuff. No one has answered yet.


    Good article and spot on. Some like to claim tax cuts cause deficits, but government revenue increases every time taxes are cut. It's not a revenue problem, but a spending problem.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Oct 31, 2019, at 7:16 PM
  • Steve,

    The article skims the surface of a very complex subject. Having made my living as an accountant I see beyond the superficial comparisons. Generalizations do not show the big picture specifically enough to reveal what really happened between the individual tax and the effect of that tax. Who was taxed and by how much is not fully addressed in this opinion piece. Until detailed comparisons are made no qualified opinion can be made. Without specificity it is easy to spin apples into oranges.......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sat, Nov 2, 2019, at 8:48 AM
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    Sometimes people get too fixated on details, trying to find the tree, bush, or twig, that they don't see the forest. Sometimes this can be due to difficulty prioritizing and handling more than one piece of information at a time. Other times it can be because they know what the big picture shows and they are terrified of seeing it.

    Kennedy tax cut. Reagan tax cut. Trump tax cut. There is a pattern. And it follows what a reasonably analytical mind would predict. Less money confiscated by the government up front leaves more money in the economy to stimulate it which raises the tide for all boats and let's the government take a smaller amount from more people to end up with a bigger pot to blow on their favorite pork.

    Under this scenario, the government is still taking from those that have earned to give to those that haven't. But at least they are taking relatively less.

    It really is just basic math. Such a shame so many people have so much trouble with the basics.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Nov 2, 2019, at 10:58 AM
  • So you are saying a tax cut is a tax cut is a tax cut ? HAHAHAHAHA......Pretty insulting post for such thin information.

    This is why I rarely post anything here even though the subject matter often interests me. Beyond being uninformed, closed-minded and biased the sarcastic tone and gang mentality are not worth the trouble......

    And if you think it is just basic math, here is what I have to say....HAHAHAHAHAHA

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sat, Nov 2, 2019, at 11:17 AM
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    It must be sooooo frustrating that the economy keeps booming with Trump as President. Especially after barry said there was no way it could be done.

    I think we should all be laughing, on our way to the bank.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Nov 2, 2019, at 11:51 AM
  • Oops, hope you read this. I thought you were asking about the post where Pelosi was going on the “Late Show”.

    My comments about Kennedy were all real.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Nov 2, 2019, at 12:48 PM
  • Palindrome,

    You're not going to attempt to answer my question either?

    The disagreement about taxation boils down to one question.

    Who can make money work better?

    A country 21 trillion in debt or the folks who have "too much" money?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Nov 3, 2019, at 12:38 AM
  • Quiet mike, I don’t know if Palindrome has come back but I am not clear about your question. Could you try another analogy or comparison?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Nov 3, 2019, at 7:18 AM
  • Democrats like to claim government is better at running things like charity than regular people. Lots of advocates, like Paul Krugman, even tout a "multiplier effect" that magically happens when tax money is spent, rather than letting the people who earned the money keep it and invest it how they choose.

    They claim it's not "simple math".

    Reality shows us rampant government waste, abuse, and fraud, and government makes no effort to differentiate between those who legitimately need help and those who just need a kick in the pants.

    Nevermind there's a million more open jobs now than unemployed people, so no one should be on the dole without a serious, legitimate disability.

    So,with this in mind, who manages money better, a government deeply in debt, or those evil rich people with too much money? If you were an investor, where would you put your money?

    FWIW-I was asking Palindrome if he was going to answer my question about anything democrats do politically not based on avoiding personal responsibility and getting freebies.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Nov 3, 2019, at 9:45 AM
  • Gotcha. I hope Palindrome rejoins the conversation, especially since it now seems to have become a discussion rather than the wild west Show we often see develop.

    That is the way I would love to see most of them go but since few wish to weather the abuse these anonymous forums seem to encourage, many serious responders may take a pass.

    My conversations about gardening, pets, hobbies etc. don’t get the deviant tangents but then again, they don’t get many responses either.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Nov 3, 2019, at 11:27 AM
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    The answers are in the U.S. Constitution!

    Article I, Section 2, clause 3:

    ...direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States (This provision clearly establishes the fact that the Representatives, although elected by the people, were to be State Representatives, just like the situation with the Constitutional Convention. This provision also provides that any taxes were to be paid by the State, not the people. Direct taxation of the people by the Union was prohibited. - This provision provided that if a tax was imposed that it would be based on the population of the State. This would insure that every individual would pay an equal and fair share of the costs of operating the Union.)

    Therefore to tax an individual and not everyone in the State would be an "DIRECT TAX" which is a tax on Property. So a Tax on Property is unconstitutional unless everyone in the State paid the exact same amount.

    An INDIRECT TAX is a tax on a benefit or privilege: There are no provisions concerning the taxing of individuals, that's why the Income Tax Amendment was created. The Federal Government has no power to tax the People's Businesses UNLESS you purchase a business license or selling Acohol, Tobacco or Fire Arms etc..)

    Section 8, clause 1, The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; (The clause that requires uniformity throughout the United States is to preclude State from setting different Duties, Imposts, and Excises in order to compete for trade imports into the country.

    Section 9, Clause 4, No Capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    (Here again, any taxes that are imposed must be in proportion to the Census, or Enumeration taken every ten years. How can an individual be taxed based on a census of all the people? They can't. These are taxes that are due from a State to help Finance the operations of the Federal Treaty Organization, i.e., the Federal Government, and they are proportioned out to the States based on their population. This restriction is why the Income Tax Amendment was proposed.


    16th amendment:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever sources derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. (This is a bogus attempt to enslave the people).

    First off, Your wages or compensation is "PROPERTY". It is not taxable unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. (See Section 9, clause 4 above).

    So that means the 16th amendment income tax is a InDirect Tax on a benefit or privilege of doing business in your State (If) you purchase a Business License or are a federal citizen (government employee or a 14th amendment citizen aka US citizen).

    Also income Tax is a voluntary tax (which You volunteered for when you filled out a w2 form letting your boss take out taxes.

    To stop paying income tax you have to unvolunteer - which is stupid now because POTUS is shutting down the IRS and going with a 14% sales tax next year. People will be getting tax money back when it is done.

    The Internal Revenue Manuel tells you that Corporations were set up to pay the Taxes and also government employees who get government money paid to them and of course immigrants who are US citizens subject to the federal government.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Nov 27, 2019, at 3:49 PM
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