Finally, a candidate I can get behind

Oh ok That's just what we need a "Has Been" Actor.

Fred Thompson was a mole for the whitehouse during Watergate.

Just as Thompson once staunchly defended Nixon, Thompson urged a pardon for Libby, who was convicted in March of obstructing justice in the investigation into who leaked a CIA operative's name.

Not to mention Nixon himself called Thompson "Dumb as Hell"

The way I see it:

Fred Thompson is an aider and abettor of Nixon and an apologist for Bush, is the Republican Party's last, best hope of retaining control of the White House.

Yep, that's just what we need another 4 or 8 years of the same ole BS. Warrantless searches, not enforcing immigration laws and giving the Country away to line their already fat pockets.

I wouldn't vote for Fred Thompson to be dog catcher.

As for which candidate has the better moral values? Well I'm sure some have "better" than others, but it's not much to begin with. I'm not so worried about who has the morals, but rather who can effectively lead this Country. I'm sick of politicians that want to legislate morality, but then those laws don't apply to them, their families or political friends.

I must respectfully disagree with each of you, Thom & Michael.\

William

Wow, someone really can't stand George W.

I would think a majority of the country can't stand George Bush... And I would hope a majority of the country won't listen to Republican propaganda of false promises and misguided hope.

Fred Thompson may be a local Tennessean, but he reminds me a lot of Regean, a has been actor... with no real political backbone.

And here we go with morals B.S. HorseGentler said it best, we are sick of politicians legislating morality to the people, only to pretend it doesn't pretain to them as well. You know what else, I WANT A CONGRESS that is too afraid to give raises to THEMSELVES, and instead giving raises to the people of this country.

Three things will decide the elections: Getting out of Iraq is the first priority, Stabilizing the economy (which has primarily been done while Democrats are in office) is second, and a president who will not allow HUGE tax cuts to large corporation, who then pass on HUGE price increases to consumers (oil companies to name one, pharmacuetical to name another) while their CEOs and upper management make hundreds of millions in CLEARED INCOME, better known as bonuses after profit.

Whoever can honestly do those three things within their first 4 years will get my vote... Regardless of political affiliation. Thompson is at best, the last hope for Republicans, but he gives no hope for the country.

Yep, there are a lot of folks out there that really can't stand W. and I can certainly understand that. I honestly believe that if there were a better opponent running than Kerry (or Gore) then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Personally, I'm just hoping this next general election isn't about voting in the lesser of two evils. I really wish we could see a couple of candidates get up there that actually have some substance and leadership qualities. I believe Fred Thompson has that and he is as close to a Consitutionalist as we're going to get in any general election in the near future.

MyNeighbor, the answer to your question is NO ONE. There is no such person. The reason there is no such person is because humans are sinners, we are imperfect and it happens to the best of us.

Alot of people are judging the "party", not the man. It's easier for them to make him what they need him to be that way.

I'm not afraid of name calling. I have probably been called every name you can think of at one point in time, maybe not outloud but I'm sure in their own heads.

It is amazing how people can take a fact and make it mean whatever they need it to. I was once and the judge told the guy in front of me "It never ceases to amaze me how dumb people are willing to make themselves look in order to read what is black and white and make it say what they want it to."

When a man states that if he were President He would pardon a known criminal which Our Justice system convicted...This is a little more than skeletons in a closet.

If I wanted to say anything about skeletons I would have talked about the way Thompson left his wife of 30 years to run with Hollywood starlets, but I didn't.

The Bush people are backing this guy - that is ALL you need to know. Run screaming away from Thompson.

Too many people also classify the entire Democratic party as LIBERALS based of vague ideologies of a few elite leftist. That will never change....

The only candidate worth voting for is none of them.. Honestly! But as long as I vote my conscious and the electoral college chooses the winner, it will never be fair, regardless who wins...

All I am saying is that this is a new election cycle and each individual candidate needs to be judged on their merits, not as a party.

Unfortunately darrick, the Democrats have allowed their party leadership to be hijacked by folks way left of center. That left a lot of centrist candidates hanging (see Joe Lieberman). But you are right in that the talking heads seem to paint everyone with the same brush and that too is unfair and reflects poorly on their position (see Rush, Sean Hannity).

The only candidate worth voting for is the one who most closely reflects how you view the role of government. In our republic, none of the above is a nice idea but simply is not a responsible position for our form of government.

"Unfortunately darrick, the Democrats have allowed their party leadership to be hijacked by folks way left of center."

What left-wing liberal has hijacked the Democratic Party? Last time I checked, the American people overturned to Congressional majority with a striking reflection of opinion, and placed Democratic leaders in power. They are not all great leaders, and many are not even doing their jobs. But to say a party has been "hi-jacked", and not realize Bush, Cheney, Abramof, Libby, Delay, Rove, and Gonzales and numerous other supposed "christian, right-wing, conservatives" have not hi-jacked the very party that was ousted in the last elections, is a narrow view of the whole problem.

I do realize there are radical left-wing and right-wing leaders, the difference is... The executive branch (the one that is not involved in checks and balances anymore) has been hi-jacked by people who instill fear into their country, in order to get them to do anything they want, with the stroke of a pen.

Oh and thanks jesuslovesevery1, I didn't feel like saying all that.

So what exactly is Fred Thompson's platform?

I know he voted for the War in Iraq.

I know he still believes in the War in Iraq, and I know he is against abortion.I also know he Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy.

But other than that what is he going to do for/or to Americans?

Yes he voted for the Iraq invasion based on the information he had at the time. So did most everyone else in Congress. But he also understands that completely pulling out now would leave a huge void that would cause two things 1) Wholesale slaughter in a civil war 2) Producing a huge power void that would be filled by Iran and Syria. Given that Iran is actively developing nuclear weapons, that is simply unacceptable. Even if you disagree with the premise for the war, having Iran as the major power in the region is a direct threat to US interests.

Yes he voted to defund government funding of solar energy. He feels that the private sector and individual local utilities can provide incentives that will drive that sector of the economy. Also, individuals can incorporate these new technologies themselves when building new homes. He also plans a new (I call it new since we really don't have one) comprehensive energy policy that will stress the importance of energy self reliance.

Yes, he is very pro-life. But I would point out that the issue is a red herring since the executive branch has very little influence on the actual court rulings. He does believe in original intent in interpreting the consitution.

He is also going to be very agressive in securing the borders. This, in my mind, is the most pressing issue facing the US. This dovetails with national security closely. As a member of the Senate Intelligence committee, he had first hand knowlege of how this can lead to a calamatous effect on our own soil.

If you want to know more, go to Fred08.com and check out some of his positions. Look around, kick the tires and see if you agree. There are lots of articles from third party sources as well as videos and commentaires.

And to respond to a couple of comments above:

1) "Has been actor"? I believe if you check he was a working actor up until May.

2) Reagan "no real political backbone"? Are you serious?

Against same sex marriage

Pro-Life

For sending more troops and more money to Iraq

Thanks but no Thanks he sounds too much like Bush already.

Or many Democrats who seem to have enough backbone to vote in favor of the popular opinion in their respective districts. The Democrats were eleceted to do a few jobs, and start some change. But all that change is stagnant under the current, veto all legislation that calls for change, administration.

Can someone honestly give me a list of all the cabinet members and intelligence officials who started when Bush first took office, and how many are still with him? Seriously.

From what I could tell, the writer kept accusing and Thompson's group kept denying and saying show us the proof. There seemed to be no tangible proof, just he said, she said, BUT, since Fred is a Republican, he MUST be lying.

It is time to tune this discussion out. It does not appear to be going anywhere constructive. I doubt that anyone will be changing their minds.

-- Posted by MyNeighbor on Thu, Sep 6, 2007, at 10:11 PM

You said it and I'll agree...if his lips are moving and words are coming out, he's lying.

William

Ok darrick I get it. You hate Bush. You hate republicans.

As far as Iraq, no I don't think that the evidence presented was completely factual. But the fact is, we are there. We can't take it back. But if you want an example of what can happen, look at Vietnam after we left. Hundreds of thousands of south Vietnamese were either killed, sent to prison camps or simply disappeared. As far as weapons in Iraq, I live in a military town full of recently retired officers. Batallion commanders, post commanders and intelligence officers. I have never spoken to one who thought that Iraq wasn't in possesion of trying to possess WMD. I've also never spoken to one that thought Rumsfeld was the least bit competent. Hence, the Iraq we have now.

No Iran doesn't currently have nuclear weapons. But they have installed hundreds (they claim 3000 but that may be an overstatement) of centrifuges to purify plutonium. Draw your own conclusions.

The illegal situation is a conundrum. Yes, they provide cheap labor. They also provide an avenue for easy access for terrorists. Yes, I know the terrorists on September 11 DIDN'T cross the Mexican border (they crossed from the equally porous Canadian border). I know you are not willing to exchange cheap tomatoes for security,neither am I.

Only if he knows how to pronounce the words that are so nicely typed up for him.. without the constan, "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" (as if searching for the correct things to say)between every other word.

Example: "Iraq has, uhhhhh... uhh, has the uhhhh ability to uhhhh begin a NUCULAR weapons program." - - When a man searches for words he doesn't know what he's talking about, when he can't pronounce nuclear, he should have gotten a better education back in Texas, and at Yale...

do a search on utube for Bush OBGYN, that is a good one.

Fred Thompson should keep his butt in Lawrenceburg or whereever the heck he lives and leave Leno for the interesting people.

Buck Fama, I think I know where your name comes from...

Lol, I think Leno (being a part of NBC) was more than likely not given much of a choice to interview Thompson.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Sep 8, 2007

Hmmmm...care to enlighten me, wait nevermind. LOL.

Yea, I have to agree that it was not Leno's choice.

Let's talk about records:

* Attacked and took over two countries.

* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

* First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

* Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.

* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

* Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

* Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

* My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).

* First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.

* Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

* First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.

* Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

* Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

* First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

* Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

* Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

* Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

* Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

* First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

* All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

* My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

* Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

* First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

* First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

* First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

* Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

* With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

* First US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

* First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

* Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

* Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

* Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

* Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

* In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

* Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

* In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

* Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

That a kid Darrick! You have simply helped me make my point-niether one of these two guys are worth arguing over!

Read on:

The Administration of William Jefferson Clinton

A record of of incompetence in government.

CONCERN FOR CHILDREN? Clinton refuses to agree to a treaty outlawing anti-personnel mines. Avoided by soldiers, these mines stay on the ground long after the end of hostilities, crippling farmers and children.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE? Neglecting the government's hard-won breakup of the telephone industry, Clinton's Justice Department agreed to the merger of Bell Atlantic and NYNEX, sparing consumers the possibility of competition and lower prices.

SPEEDY JUSTICE? Clinton has neglected his responsibility to appoint federal judges, leaving the courts with a worsening backlog. He places the blame on a failure of Senators to make recommendations. This is a specious claim. Constitutionally, the responsibility is the president's to forward the names. He's passing the buck for abrogating his job.

HONESTY? Clinton apparently lied to the people about his philandering. Although he could have admitted mistakes, claimed privacy, or even changed the subject, he chose to proclaim innocence about his bent. This leads one to wonder what else he may have lied about.

FREE SPEECH? Clinton supporters at the 1992 Democratic convention prevented participation by Jerry Brown (now of We the People) and Robert Casey, both of whom had been elected governor of major states.

MERIT IN HIRING? The Clinton administration demanded that appointees prove they had supported his campaign early in the nomination process. This unrealistic demand excluded from consideration thousands of competent people, loyal to country and party, who either supported other candidates (such as the late Paul Tsongas or L. Douglas Wilder) or declined to take sides so early.

PROMPT DECISION-MAKING? After taking office in 1993, Clinton left many key agencies in the hands of inept Bush administration holdovers for months for his failure to nominate replacements. (The Washington Monthly attributed the plane crash that took the life of South Dakota Governor George S. Mickelson to the lack of regulation caused by one of these vacancies.)

NATIONAL SECURITY? Clinton exposed gay military personnel to blackmail and arbitrary harassment with the unworkable "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

CONSTITUENT SERVICE? Clinton cut the White House staff so drastically that they could not properly handle the flow of communication by mail from the American people. If people complain to the administration, Clinton never hears. If people ask about how to get things done, they don't get answers.

LOYALTY? Instead of supporting his designees, he abandoned them. In the worst case, brilliant legal scholar Lani Guinier, who opposed racial quotas, was labeled a "quota queen" and then denied any opportunity to set the record straight. In September, 1997, Clinton said of (Republican) William Weld, "I believe when a president nominates someone for a job, that person's entitled to a hearing before the Foreign Relations Committee." Yet he denied Guinier her hearing. This policy of abandonment has damaged morale within government and scared away from federal service prominent Americans who cannot afford to have their reputations ruined.

ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY The Social Security Administration chose a trustee to administer the finances of several mentally incompetent people in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Under insufficient supervision, the trustee embezzled several hundred thousand dollars, bankrupting the people so they could no longer pay for nursing home care. The SSA claims it has no responsibility to reimburse the money that was lost because of its negligence.

COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE? After a promise to reform health care and seven years to work on it, all Clinton has produced is one peculiar proposal that couldn't get through Congress. The program would have required employers to cover health insurance costs, discouraging hiring of disabled people and placing an unfair burden on moonlighters.

A REEFER IN EVERY POT? Marijuana overdose has never killed anyone, making it one of the safest drugs in use. Recognizing this, several states decriminalized marijuana in the 1970's. Aside from its popularity as a recreational drug, marijuana is a cheap, effective treatment for preventing blindness from glaucoma and relieving the pain of AIDS. Alternative medications for these conditions have adverse side effects and are weak and expensive. After voters in two states endorsed permitting marijuana to be prescribed, Attorney General Janet Reno threatened to punish not only physicians who prescribe the drug, but also those who recommend it. It appears that a doctor who prescribes marijuana will be stripped of the right to prescribe marijuana. Instead of giving patients the help they need, health practitioners will have to say, "I recommend that you don't take the drug that will do you the most good." The Justice Department claimed voters in California and Arizona were sending children a "mixed message", despite the clear message the rest of us heard. They have gone so far as to endorse the policy of the AMA, the doctor's union that fought Clinton's health care policy. Since Clinton has admitted smoking marijuana himself, his hypocritical stance is aptly called the "'Do as I say, not as I do' policy" by comedian Jay Leno. The widespread use of marijuana by people who were and remain healthy reveals federal law enforcement to be misdirected. The public tolerance of marijuana promises that government resources dedicated to banning it will be completely wasted. For that matter, the War on Drugs is a lost cause.

RECOGNIZING A HERO? After a security guard Richard Jewell reported a suspiscious package at the Atlanta Olympics that later turned out to be a bomb, an FBI employee unprofessionally leaked to the press that the Jewell was under investigation. Instead of apologizing and emphasizing the importance of thorough investigation to rule out suspects, they left Jewell in unemployable limbo for nearly three months. The next person who sees a crime in progress may think twice about reporting it.

LAW ENFORCEMENT? Mark Whitacre reported criminal activity to the FBI. He cooperated with investigators by taping discussion of an international price-fixing conspiracy at Archer Daniels Midland Co. The evidence helped secure a record criminal antitrust fine of $100 million from ADM. Did the government protect Whitacre? Did it reward him with part of the fine? No. It indicted him.

CIVIL JUSTICE? Lawyers in the Justice Department have claimed that David Koresh bears sole responsibility for the deaths of Branch Davidians in Wacko (according to a 14 July 2000 report by Jean Jadhon of WDBJ-TV News). How can a government release from blame hundreds of people who did little or nothing to help children escape from a fire? Consider how dangerous it is for a government to endorse the concept that many people who abandon their will to one charismatic figure can escape responsibility for the consequences.

PUTTING THE PUBLIC FIRST? When there were some security problems at the White House, Clinton allowed a block of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the building to be closed, indefinitely detouring the heavy traffic on that street several blocks away. The additional margin of safety this provided can be only a fraction of what would have been gained by moving the president's office to a location outside the city of Washington.

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION? The Clinton administration has done nothing to control the cost of directory assistance calls, which used to be free from pay phones. Phone companies not only charge us to use their equipment, they also charge us for the information necessary to use their equipment.

AVAILABILITY OF INFORMATION? The Bureau of Census refuses to provide its 1990 block maps for inspection, referring the public to the Library of Congress. The Library of Congress claims to have sent them to the National Archives in College Park. The National Archives lacks sets of maps for a number of areas, including the largest county in Texas. None of these agencies is willing to take responsibility to comply with legitimate public requests for information. Who are they supposed to be working for?

ACCURACY OF INFORMATION? Stewartsville, Chamblissburg, and Montvale are growing suburbs located respectively 9, 12, and 16 miles east of downtown Roanoke. Federal statistics include them in the metropolitan area of Lynchburg, at least 32 miles away. Because of this misassignment, an economic downturn, such as unemployment, in the three suburbs is likely to result in assistance to Lynchburg, too far away to help.

COATTAILS? Clinton lost both houses of Congress to the opposition in 1994. Then he couldn't get either of them back. Meanwhile, he never has and never will win the endorsement of a majority of the nation's voters. This is an indication that he has done too little to address widespread discontent with government.

DIVERSITY? Clinton's appointments for Secretary of Defense have continued the consistent domination of the armed forces by white males.

CONCLUSION: Although the imcumbent's heart is in the right place, he follows another organ. Lately, it has veered to the right. If we wanted a Republican, we would have voted that way.

For more about the damage done by the Clinton administration, read Jack Backwill, "Beyond Corporate Media".

See a list of Mysterious deaths of Clinton associates.

Clinton is the only president elected twice with a minority of the popular vote.

"And please get them from unbiased, unpolitically affiliated sites/resources." Sorry, no can do, can't find one- if it exists.......

Yes, people did die when he lied about not taking Bin Laden out when the Sudanese governnment tried to hand him over on a platter. I repeat: neither one of these guys are worth fighting over. For every crappy thing you can find on one there is an equal amount of the same for the other. Not worth anymore of my time and I bid you a fond farewell sir........

Actually I was watching the 9/11 commission on the History Channel today and it was actually the fault of the CIA and the FBI in the late 90's and early 2000's, they failed on all fronts and the readily admitted it.

After carefully reading all the comments, I have one observation to make. If we who post here are a valid cross section of the country, we are all doomed. If our founding fathers had only realized just how stupid people can get, they would have thrown up their hands in disgust, and gone back to their farms.

So true...Maybe Ron Paul is who you should look at voting for Thom!