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Why are there only two choices in the poll?
Posted Friday, September 12, 2008, at 11:05 PM
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The first thing that I noticed when I brought up the Times-Gazette website was the online poll. I took a look at then noticed that the questions ONLY refer to the "two parties" or the "other party". It seems as though the Times-Gazette has fallen into the same habits of most media. That would be assuming that there are no other parties aside from the Republicans and Democrats. I am so tired of people telling me that they would vote for this "other party candidate" or that "other party candidate" but that they would just be throwing their votes away if they did that. I know both Democrats and Republicans that would vote for other candidates besides McCain or Obama except that they don't want the "other" major party candidate to win. If everyone that wants to vote for a newer party candidate votes for one of the major party candidates, then we will ALWAYS have two party elections and we will ALWAYS have two candidates that are no better than each other. Rather than voting AGAINST someone you don't like, why not vote FOR someone you do.


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I would have to agree, and I wish it could be changed.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 10:24 AM

The day an independent candidate raises $380 million dollars, unfortunately.. is the day they'll win. Otherwise their names never become known in time. Also, they have to have written signatures to be on state ballots, which is also absurd, but a sad reality.

I am not saying these SHOULD be what it takes to win as an Independent, I am saying that sadly they will need to become more vocal, raise more money, and get national media attention... Grassroot campaigns are growing, but in general they will not result in a "V" on election day.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:02 PM

Disturbia,

You seem to know something we dont, so why dont you enlighten us as to why an independent couldnt win.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 8:42 AM

They will never win as long as there are people who feel like they HAVE to vote for one with a "D" or an "R" next to their names.

-- Posted by Thom on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:22 PM

they will never win because they dont have an "R" or a "D" by there name.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Maybe... Maybe not.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:25 PM

After looking into both Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, I am going to vote for Bob Barr. I know that I've stated in the past that I'm going to write in Ron Paul, but that's not nearly as realistic as voting for an actual candidate. Dr. Paul most likely wouldn't even accept if he were to win (by some miracle).

Of the two candidates, Barr or Baldwin, I decided that Bob Barr is the one that is most in line with my idea of what I want in a President. In addition to that reason, Chuck Baldwin is a minister. A man, or woman, that has devoted his, or her, life to God is too engaged in one particular religion to truly be objective. Personally, I feel that a religious person as President is a good thing, it means that they believe in something larger than themselves. That's something that I think is rare in Washington these days.

-- Posted by Thom on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:01 PM

they will never win because they dont have an "R" or a "D" by there name.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:44 PM

And for some reason, they will never win...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 3:16 PM

I have been looking at the Libertarian Bob Barr, and also Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution party. There are issues that I disagree with both candidates on, but no where near as much as our 2 major party candidates. Both of these independent choices are really close to my views. Smaller govt, less spending, less and more fair taxes and less involvment of govt in my life.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 12:43 PM

I have considered voting for an Independent candidate, but nobody here is says they are going to, can name one independent candidate they support or why... Other than, they don't Obama or McCain, which is hardly about the issues.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 9:20 PM

Voting independent doesn't giving me any less right and your assumption of such darrick_04 goes to prove the limitation in your thinking and why we are stuck with only two parties.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 11:19 AM

There is absolutely NO limited thinking here bud. Also, my question wasn't who did you vote for, it was who are you voting for? Just curious.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 7:03 PM

I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.

And what did I say that didnt make sense?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 3:35 PM

Yeah, except what you stated makes absolutely NO sense, because I voted for NEITHER of the "two parties" in the primaries... Talk about limited thinking.

Voting independent... Who are you voting for?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 12:26 PM

As long as I vote period, I can complain about the choices made for the next 4 years by any of the candidates who get elected. Voting independent doesn't giving me any less right and your assumption of such darrick_04 goes to prove the limitation in your thinking and why we are stuck with only two parties.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 11:19 AM

I voted* for Ron Paul in February, and he is now out of the running... Typo.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 9:08 PM

I hate that we only have two realistic choices, but since I want to complain for the next four years, I will vote for one of the two choices. ;) As we all know, I certainly did not vote party line in the Presidential primaries, and I didn't vote party line for every candidate in 2004, or 2006...

I vote for Republican Congressman Ron Paul, who doesn't endorse the Republican nominee ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 9:04 PM

That is what I have beeing saying all along Thom . . . it has been surprising how many people have told me that I am just wasting my vote when I vote for a third party candidate or an independent. I have also been told by several people who are voting for Obama that since I am not voting for him then I am a Republican and voting for McCain even though I am not. That mentality is just silly and stupid and pretty much limits us to the horrible selections we have during this election. If I vote for someone that best represents my interests and views then that is not a wasted vote, that is a vote with meaning and purpose and not just following some silly party line.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 3:10 PM

The primary reason for the two party system, I think, is if we had multi-party elections we would have winners who only had maybe 25-30% of the vote, maybe less, and this would greatly inhibit their ability to function since maybe 75% plus didn't want them.

I reissue my suggestion from my prior blog. Do away with party labels and the primary system and let all who want to run and can qualify run in a "preleminary" election in Aug. and the two top vote getters run in the general election in Nov. thus assuring a winner with 50% or more of the vote.

This can be done within the constitutional requirements re the electoral college or some other system seeking to assure thinly populated states had a voice in the outcome.

-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 11:06 AM

Going back and taking a second look at the question, I probably could have worded that third option a different way to account for the possibility of candidates from outside the two-party system.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 8:58 AM

To be fair, the poll question had to do with whether people vote based on the party or the candidate.

No, the two major parties aren't the only choices. But for the purposes of this particular poll question, it would be hard to vote a straight Libertarian party ticket -- for example -- unless there's a Libertarian running for each and every contested office in a partisan election. And often, third-party candidates run in Tennessee as independents, meaning their party affiliation isn't even listed on the Tennessee ballot. So I don't think it was unfair to word that particular question based on the two-party system. The specific behavior about which I was asking relates most directly to those two parties.

-- Posted by Jicarney on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 8:55 AM

Thank you for the interesting topic. I agree with you all the way, but I do not know if we will ever see that happen. I do not think the majority of the voters have as much knowledge about politics as most of the posters here. They appear to vote based on a few implied ideals and there are so many similarities between the 2 major parties that anything else is at least to some extent considered radical by many voters. I also do not think the domination by the two parties is accidental. If everyone were involved and took a chance and voted for who they believed were the right candidates, we could see change. I doubt we will see much change with our main parties though, even if both campaigns promise it.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 2:20 AM


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