Prepping

You have brought up an interesting subject. If our young generation can't go buy something already prepared or something to go into the micro-wave they are at a loss. If our electricity were to be cut off for any period of time, I thing they would just panic. Few people know how to hunt and kill wild life or how to prepare if they did. I feel scouts has taught a lot of children a lot about survival, which is wonderful. I am afraid sometime a terrible tragedy will hit this country again like 9/ll or omething and we will all need to know more about survival. There is more to survival than food, even though it is near the top of the list. Water and knowing what is safe to drink and what is not. I would like to see more important subjects like this taught in schools, however, our teachers themselves would have to go back to school. I am sure there will be a lot of comments on this subject.

gm - That's a great idea. Unfortunately a "set in stone" plan has to be flexible when the PHTF (substituting poop for the T-G). Considering that the economic situation in the U.S. doesn't really seem to be getting any better, we are going to have to be prepared for these personal disasters as well as a wide-spread one. If you do hold a class of sorts, please e-mail me with the details.

Thom, I am certainly glad you made that claarification, but I do think that being prepared is most important, but with something like what has happened in Japan, I really don't know where you would begin. It breaks my heart to watch it on TV. I do hope a fund is set up for aid to Japan. I will certainly contribute.

I have put a lot of thought into this very issue.

First if you had a shelter, (Storm or Tornado etc.) would you be anywhere near it to enjoy it's safety? My thought is I would be away from home when it hit. I would be at work or off somewhere. What about your kids in school or at someone's house at the time. The next thought is... can we all make it home to the shelter before we got killed. What happens if the storm piles trash up over the Shelter and you can't get out?

Would we need a shelter down low to protect from high winds and tornados or a shelter up high to protect from flooding which seems to be the most problems in TN lately.

If you had a shelter in the ground, would it get flooded? So much for a storm or Fire and Brimstone Shelter.

What about a meteor shower? The heat from a large Meteor or Asteroid would kill you before it hit the ground.

Food. Ah, yes, that's the thing. Do you actually realize just how much food you would have to store to keep a couple alive for a year? What about one month. Do you have a room big enough to store that much food and water? So much for that idea.

We try to keep a small stock of food and drinks that we consume each week. We buy it when it goes on sale.

If you have veg. stocked up all you need is a meet to go with it and a slice of bread or roll alone with a drink for a half way balanced meal.

By stocking canned vegetables when they are on sale we have our meal filler. Stocking cold drinks when they are on sale saves a lot of money than just buying them every day or week.

Next thing you know, when you go shopping, you can spend the vegetable and drink money on meat or first aid supplies.

We stock, not to own a supply of food, but to save money.

If a disaster strikes, the disaster may take away or destroy our stock. You just never know what a Tornado will do when it hits.

My wife and I look at it as a way to survive the increasing cost of living. If you buy one can of this and that each shopping day, you haven't saved any money. But if you buy several cans of something at a sale price, not only have you saved money, but it allows you to stock up.

On your next shopping spree you can spend more money stocking up on something else that is on sale, because you don't have to buy what you have already stocked up on.

If guest pop in unexpected, you have everything you need in the pantry. What a relief that is.

In our country, when some big disaster comes up and you aren't forced to leave your home (assuming you were home when it hit) you would have to protect your food stock from people who know you have food or supplies. Not only people, but we would have wild dogs and other animals looking for food which could be your arm or leg if you don't have a gun.

If F.E.M.A. comes around to your house, they can force you to relocate into one of their compounds. They would also confiscate your supply of food, water, drugs, fuels, guns and ammunition and even generators if you have them.

Gasoline and Kerosene is also things people should think about stocking up on besides just propane gas. These are limited supplies because of the danger of fire or explosions. Gasoline at today's prices should not be stocked. Anyone finds your loot of Gasoline and it will be gone. That is something to stock in your vehicles. Keep them full of gas with a locking gas cap.

The bible speaks of Fire and Brimstone and even Hail falling from heaven in the end times. Do we build for these disasters?

Just how many different shelters would we need to build to be protected? Just how much land would that take?

Can't you see the Government sending people out to see what you were doing building all those shelters and stocking them with thousands of dollars worth of food?

You would have to have a connecting tunnel to all of them under ground so you could go from one to the other when the different disasters hit or you wanted to go make a jelly sandwich.

God said not to worry about tomorrow. Live for today because tomorrow will have its own problems.

Matthew 6:34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

In short, stocking is a good thing and should be done every day in moderation as you can afford it. Over stocking could cause a shortage of money for other necessities.

Remember, we don't know when our economy is going to drop so low we can't afford to buy or stock up.

I personally don't see the economy getting any better at all PERIOD.

President Obama has told the people that the economy is better now, and we are coming out of the recession, but I do not see that happening at all. The experts said gas would come down because Japan won't be buying much for a while, but the price of gas went UP today not down.

Japan is a major trader with the US and they have bought a lot of US Bonds, which they will not be able to buy anymore for a while. In fact they may have to sell them, but who would buy them? Japan's disaster will hurt the US for sometime to come also, making the recession last even longer. We won't recover from this recession.

Watch the 2012 election. You will see Obama get re-elected for the biggest down fall of America.

I would still go with stocking food and some supplies. It's not the same as hoarding food. It makes it a lot easier in the winter time when the freezes and snow storms come along if you already have food put back.

I am guilty of not stocking water and that is one of the most valuable items you should keep around the house.

By stocking food, you can save a lot of money while just buying weekly groceries.

As for shelters, if you have a basement, that would be the best place to go. You would be below the area of debris being blown overhead. If you have a basement that means your house is above sea level and not in a flood district,so you wouldn't have too much trouble with flooding.

A tornando doesn't sit in one spot as a rule, so the rain would be the only water factor involved.

The main thing is to know when to use YOUR shelter and when to use another shelter wherever you might be. It may be too unsafe to try to return to your home shelter every time something comes up.

You can use plastic Milk Cartons or other plastic containers. On line you could find water containers.

Food Barrels is an excellent water source if you can find them. I located a source on Graigs List but never called them. They have several locations so don't know where the nearest location would be.

Actually, now that I think about it, that Feed Store next to the Airport had some 50 gal Food Barrels with a screw on lid. They came with olives in them. Wash then out and you could store anything in them including water.

To keep water you need to put one or two drops of Clorox of other Bleach per gallon to keep it drinkable and free of germs.

It is very easy to just buy bottled water now. Just put the cases on a shelf out of the way until needed.

In an emergency when you know about it, water can be saved in your bath tub for flushing toilets or even bathing. If your tub is clean, ol yeah right, you could drink it or use it for coffee water .

Of course, coffee is a big item in my house. We have to have our coffee, so we buy instant coffee. Water can be heated on any of several heating units (top of a kerosene heater, gas grill, camp stove, etc.)

I stock some meat if it is on sale, but Electricity is usually the first thing to go in a storm or disaster, so you would have to buy a lot of ice to keep your meat cold or you would lose it. Not a good idea! Buy only what you can consume in a day or two. Some food could be smoked to preserve them or just buy a smoked ham and keep it in the freezer.

I stock meat that comes in a can like chicken and beef and tuna fish. This way I have some kind of a meat to enjoy in a disaster. Already canned meat will last a long time if the cans don't rust. They now sell a whole boneless small chicken in a can.

My wife will not buy a can that is dented, even thou some stores have a dented can sale.

WARNING! My wife also tries to stock up on snack cakes and goodies, as we call them, but she doesn't have much luck building that stock up, LoL.

When talking about TORNADOs I tell my wife that your life is in God's hands if a Tornado comes. You can not prepare for a tornado.

A Tornado cam come straight for your house then jump your house and level everyone else's home or level your home and nobody else. You just have to sit and wait for a tornado to decide where it is going to hit.

The middle of your house is the safest place against flying glass and debris, but what if the Tornado crashes the house down on the middle closet you are in or on the basement you are in? What if it misses your house and hits your shelter outside?

In a Tornado, you won't likely need food and water unless you are trapped for days. Most Tornado damaged homes can be searched within hours of being hit.

Some things we have to trust in God that he will allow us to live through it with few injuries or miss us completely.

My last thought is this. Satan is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4), but God has the keys of death. It is the Devil who takes lives NOT GOD! God decides who lives or dies.

In the book of Job God tells Satan he can do anything to Job short of taking his life, but Satan was not allowed to kill Job. (Job 2:67)

Satan being the god of this world, has the power to cause disasters and even death.

However, God can prevent Satan from killing anyone if they have found favor with God.

We have to intervene in our own lives and make sure we are living and worshiping God as he commands us to.

That is the only thing that will keep you protected in the days ahead.

I didn't say that would keep you from having any pain or suffering or losing a loved one! Our bodies can get pretty broken up or inflicted with many diseases and still live. It all depends on how close you are to God.

Poksalad,

My wife pays attention to the freshness dates but I don't except for dairy products. Most freshness dates are just that, FRESHNESS Dates. Canned food should last years as long as the can or container doesn't go bad.

I don't can food so I don't know what to look for in home canned foods. I understand vegetables can be frozen in plastic bags if you take the air out or you can even dehydrate a lot of food. When you are ready to eat them you just add water.

If your bottled water goes bad, just add a drop of Bleach and your good to go.

Bagged goods may get mealy bugs, small worms or other bugs in them. Yummy, more meat to eat!

Actually I was thinking of a regular cooked ham in the freezer. It could be eaten pretty quickly by inviting the family over when the power goes off, LoL.

A smoked ham doesn't have to be refrigerated. After it is sliced it may taste better as a cold cut, but not necessary to keep refrigerated.

There are other meats that can be smoked to preserve also. That is what Beef Jerky is.

We have to remember that a Freezer or refrigerator has to have electricity to freeze food.

A Freezer or Refrigerator would hold a lot of food for a couple days if you put Ice in them with your perishables. They used to call them ice boxes because that is what we had to do... buy blocks of ice to put in the ice box to keep food cold. I was just a youngster back then, but I remember my dad bringing the ice home and putting it in the Ice Box.

Jack Daniels used to have books called the Firefox Book series (12 volumes) that were for the person who wanted to live off the land. They have a tremendous amount of survival information, but boy are they expensive.

I have read in them that if you have a cold mountain spring, you could build a shed over it without a floor in it to store your food that had to be refrigerated. You wouldn't need ice nor an ice box. The bottom of the shed would of course, have to have some sort of durable screen to keep the animals from getting your food in the shed.

Another idea in the winter time is to build a small room on the outside of your house with a door through the existing wall. The room will keep out varmints yet the cold would keep your food cold that you stored in that room. Like having a walk-in cooler in the winter time. You could insulate the room to keep everything from freezing in the winter and over heating in the summer. You would decide if you need a walk-in Freezer or walk-in Cooler.

We have such a walk-in Cooler and it's great for keeping drinks and prepared cold dishes when we have everyone in the family over for Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and Birthday Dinners/celebrations.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have the refrigerator space for all the prepared food and drinks, etc.. The room usually stays between 35 and 40 degrees in the winter. In the summer it is used just for stocking except for the small bar refrigerator we keep in there for cold drinks.

How about taking out a second mortgage on the house, buy a years supply of bullets and MRE's, while building a shelter. Just in case we need it, of course. lol

Another word of Caution!

The canned food in Japan is contaminated with Radiation and that radiation is must stronge when it is in canned goods.

Be careful not to stock canned food that has come from Japan this year.

A years supply of Reeses Peanut Butter cups, cheese burgers and Mom's banana pudding then! Come to think about it, I would only need one bullet in case I ran out of the above so I could just shoot myself. lol

Kroger is running a sale on vegetables - 12 cans for $5.99 this week. That is a case for $6.00 or 50 cents a can, for either, Sweet Corn, Cream Style Corn, Cut Green Beans or French Style Green Beans.

I bought 8 cases so far. Won't find them any cheaper anywhere else, except the smaller size vegetables

2Peter2

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

ALSO: Submission to Governing Authorities

Romans 13:1-5

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

4 For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

} My Answer:{

These United States of America is the ONLY country in the world where "We the People" ARE the...

"Governing Authorities".

[Power Still Remains with the People]

When this country achieved its independence the prerogatives of the crown devolved upon the people of the States. And this power still remains with them, except so far as they have delegated a portion of it to the Federal government. -- U. S. Supreme Court - Wheeler v. Smith, 9 How. 33

Also the supreme court favors what Paul said in the same book of Romans.

[The Sovereignty is Not Subject to the Law]

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. And the law is the definition and limitation of power. -- Yick Wo vs Hopkins and Woo Lee vs Hopkins (118 US S. Ct. 356)

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

and

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The US Constitution gives the Federal Government power over Washington, DC, military bases and personnel including all US armed forces, all needful builds, etc. and land ceded over to the US by the States with the consent of congress. It also has power over the U.S. Territories (which are NOT the States). The only powers it has within the states is listed in Article I Sect 8.

So I speak not against the Governing Authorities of These United States but the Corporate government controlled by Congress.

The fact that it has to shut down tonight at midnight and stay shutdown for at least the weekend............... pretty much says I told everyone so months ago. In fact I warned of this last year.

And don't forget, I have several times and still predict President Obama will be re-elected. The economy will not recover like Obama says it already has started recovering. That is just an Obamanation Unique Lie.

He should be tried for Treason, but he will be our president for another 4 years.

Alas....someone who knows and understands the precious Gospel.

All praise and glory to the Father who provided the atonement and adopted me along with my many brothers and sisters.

Midnight Rider,

Paul knew what he was talking about but he also said we who know all about being saved and repenting and receiving salvation, have to move on and teach other things besides salvation.

As you and everyone else can see, salvation is about the only thing people seem to be able to discuss today.

The theologians are finding out that there is more to the bible than they originally thought. Preachers are still teaching the things of the past that make the people feel safe and secure, or just what they want to know and not the truth.

A sermon isn't a sermon unless they can bring hell fire and damnation into it to get the attention of the sinners.

If the church is a good church why do they still have sinners who need to keep hearing the good news of "How to be saved"?

Shouldn't the preacher move on to other important messages? Then why do people only want to tell others the good news of "How to be saved"? Everyone must think they are the only ones who know how to be saved. It has been taught to the whole world. Some countries thou will behead you or imprison you if you speak of Christianity. (Blasphemy Law)

Hey, I know what! Why not teach the congregations a little something about the Blasphemy Law, because it is coming to America!

Oh, I know why not! It is not the good news everyone wants to hear. Learn the truth and the truth will set you free.

God wrote about it in his word.

Now I must leave you and go see if Food Lion still has their vegetables on sale for my "Prepping Project".

Prepping for all of you who will be Raptured up off the earth BEFORE all the trials and tribulations and the Blasphemy Law take their place in History, I would like to remind all of you...

All the Jews were taught by the Pharisees and Scribes that the scriptures spoke of the Messiah returning to save his people.

What a BIG Disappointment that was to the Jews. They even turned on him and killed him for not saving them from the control of the Roman Empire.

Does any of that ring a bell?

Do you think you are the only people who believed in God and think you will be saved from the Apocalypse of the New World Order?

No, it's coming and you might fair it better if you keep some food, water, candles, and medical supplies stored up.(just in case)

You can always leave them for the people who won't be in the rapture, lol.

I understand that the budget battle is over the payments to planned parenthood. It is very sad that our country is to a point that we can't have a budget passed because it DOES NOT include millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars going to pay for KILLING BABIES!

Prepping is indeed needed, for the day of judgement will surely come on this country and the world.

BA,

What is the Gospel?

Many definitions say the Gospel is the first four Books of the New Testament.

However, they were not written yet when Jesus said, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

So... did the Gospel may have meant preach what you have learned from me?

HOWEVER, Paul himself, added a lot of teachings to the Gospel that Jesus never taught them.

So... did the Gospel mean what Jesus had taught them and everything else that the Holy Spirit revealed to them?

Or does Gospel mean the "Word of God" as I have always took it to mean?

And if it meant the "Word of God" then it would include the whole bible from genesis to Revelation.

When I speak about things in Genesis to Revelations, I am not telling anyone to move away from the Gospel, but to E-X-P-A-N-D and consume the Gospel. The Truth or Word of God.

I only return to Rev 20:4-5 so you can see for yourself what the truth is about the Resurrection and who is Resurrected when and Why!

You say all the Christians go to heaven when they die, but then you say they go to a paradise somewhere in the center of the earth.

where Hell is!

You quote 1 Thess 4:14-18, but don't learn anything from it. You use it to mean a "secret Rapture of all Christians".

You also refuse to believe we sleep in Christ when we die and know nothing and do nothing and our memory is erased.

So let's see why you don't learn anything!

verse 14: "...them also which sleep in Jesus ...".

I'm sorry but I read the word "sleep" in that verse, meaning they are dead.

verse 15: "...shall not prevent them which are asleep."

I also read the word "asleep", meaning they are dead!

verse 16: "...with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:"

Nothing secret about the return of Christ.

also in verse 16: "...the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

That "Gospel" says the dead in Christ (See verse 14 and 15) shall rise first."

also in verse 16: "...shall rise first:"

That says the dead "Rise" first. It doesn't say the dead drop down from heaven, they are raised from the graves.

When Paul told this to the Thessalonians, it was back in 50-70 A.D.. Everything Paul wrote to the Corinthians was also written back in 50-70 A.D.. Paul knew nothing about John's visions that were revealed to John in Revelation 20-40 years later in 90 A.D..

In verse 17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,..."

Here Paul tells us that "he" and all the Christians which are still alive and remain - shall be caught "UP" - together with them in the clouds.

Who is Paul talking about? Those who were asleep in Christ who were just "Raised" first into the clouds.

You Posted: "Put your un-needed worrying about the ressurection and eternal judgement to rest and be comforted by Paul's teachings. We are one day closer to meeting Him and them that He brings with Him from Heaven in the air."

I don't preach on the Resurrection and eternal judgment. I only use them to explain what the bible is saying. You can't have a Resurrection of the Christians if they are all caught up in the clouds, which you have never been able to explain to me or anyone.

I have spoken on subjects from the creation in Genesis to Life after death as it is written in the "Gospel".

And now a word on Prepping!

Did anyone take advantage of the sale on vegetables at Food Lion this week?

They had canned vegetables on sale at 2 cans for 79ȼ. That is 39 cents a can, cheaper than Kroger's sale at 50ȼ a can when you bought 12 cans for $5.99.

At that price I had to purchase another 10 cartons of 12 cans per carton at Food Lion.

On the way home I had to buy gas. Yesterday it was $3.39. Today it was 3.66 per gallon.

Is the economy getting any better like President Obama said it was?

So far the economy has kept on getting worse instead of better like I predicted it would.

What about the unemployment Rate of 8.9% President Obama claims?

That is a false number of 9.8%. -that number only includes those who are currently in the system, not the number actually unemployed that have run out of benefits or taken a lower paying job.

Unique Lies and proof that things are still getting worse.

Just how much more has to happen before people stop listening to Obama and the News Media Reporters?

Prepping is the way to go Today.

U.L. I agree that it goes waaaaayyyy deeper. The abortion thing is just a symptom, along with homosexuality, porn, and unabased plundering. My comment was an attempt to point out how ridiculous of an arguement it is to stop the budgeting process because money earmarked for baby murders is cut out, and what a state our country is in that the soveriegn people would not be outraged at, what should be, an obvious injustice.

Some may call it a choice or, as you suggested, self defense, but I think it is child sacrifice, the sacrificing of a life for the prosperity of the one(s) doing the killing. These mothers and children may need help, but killing is not helping. It's hurting.

These things are all covered in the Bible and prepping should begin on ones knees. Without that, no amount of money (taxpayers or others), fruit, fuel, clothing, dried goods or medicine are going to save anyone. Remember, he who would save his life will lose it. Preparation is wise, and needful, but we need to be prepared for what is truly important, not laying up for ourselves things to avert disaster, but dealing justly with things that are already at hand. Someday, (maybe even now)all of ones storehouse will be called upon. Be prepared for what your answer will be when that call comes.

Blessed Assurance,

I thought I better clear you up on another matter you commented on above:

You posted: "Actually if you look at the verse you used above you will see he was instructing them to mature and move on from among other things the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.... which the verses of Revelation you obsessively dwell on focuses on."

So everyone will know what we are referring to, here is the verse:

Hebrews 6:2

2 You don't need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

The resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment that Paul was speaking about was the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the resurrections that took place in Paul's time, like the people who were resurrected by Christ and those who came up out of their graves after Jesus rose again. Paul did a lot of teaching about Resurrection telling everyone that because Jesus died and was resurrected so will we be resurrected. Paul had taught them thoroughly on resurrection and wanted to more on. The eternal judgment was commonly taught all the time back then, just as it is a fire and damnation sermon in the churches today.

You are forgetting one thing, John had not seen his visions of Revelation when Paul was teaching this. In fact, I do believe Paul had been beheaded long before John had his visions about the Revelations of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, Paul wasn't talking about the same Resurrections and Eternal judgment that I speak of.

In fact, if you read Rev 20:4-5 you will see that because Paul was beheaded for teaching the word of God, he will be in the first Resurrection and will become a king and priest here on earth when God resurrects the rest of the world, if he isn't one who is caught up in the clouds.

I on the other hand teach the Two Resurrections that John wrote about and "Life After Death". John even explained the "Battle of Armageddon" to us, yet the world and even the Theologians don't understand it.

John tells us in revelation that after everyone is resurrected, Satan and his gang will come against Christ and his people who are camped around God's City. This army of Satan's will be numbered as the sands of the beach.

THIS is after the Resurrections, yet it has been taught and is still being taught today, that this happens when the whole world comes against Israel and Christ returns.

Why no one can see it is beyond me. It is just another Unique Lie that is being taught.

If you care to comment further, let's take it to the Religion Blog:

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/thomwilliamson/...

You are absolutely right. I remember once reading a story about a guy named Joseph who stored grain when it was plentiful to sell back to the Egyptians when the famine came. Even the 11 Tribes had to get their grain from Joseph.

That is only one gospel of many.

The books of the bible are called gospels.

Accounts of certain stories are called gospels.

The word "Gospel" as being translated from Greek appears 17 times in the four gospels and 98 times in The New Testament. It does not appear in the old testament according to my word search of the KJV.

There are three variants of the word translated from Greek as "Gospel" according to Strongs concordance. Here they are;

1.)eujaggevlion Euaggelion (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on);

Word Origin: Greek, Noun Neuter, Strong #: 2098

a reward for good tidings

good tidings

the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. After the death of Christ, the term comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for the men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God

the glad tidings of salvation through Christ

the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Christ

the gospel

as the messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death, the narrative of the sayings, deeds, and death of Jesus Christ came to be called the gospel or glad tidings

2.)eujaggelivzw Euaggelizo (yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zo);

Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 2097

to bring good news, to announce glad tidings

used in the OT of any kind of good news

of the joyful tidings of God's kindness, in particular, of the Messianic blessings

in the NT used especially of the glad tidings of the coming kingdom of God, and of the salvation to be obtained in it through Christ, and of what relates to this salvation

glad tidings are brought to one, one has glad tidings proclaimed to him

to proclaim glad tidings

instruct (men) concerning the things that pertain to Christian salvation

3.)proeuaggelivzomai Proeuaggelizomai (pro-yoo-ang-ghel-id'-zom-ahee);

Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 4283

to announce or promise glad tidings beforehand

It does not appear in the old testament according to my word search of the KJV.

Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Apr 11, 2011, at 9:23 PM

For some reason much of the Old Testament did not translate to the same degree as the New Testament. Much like the example below from Isaiah that mentions the gospel.

Isaiah 61

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

That undoutedly is the gospel.

Well, well, well! The two of you have this gospel word all figured out.

According to both of you the only thing worth teaching is the gospel of the Life and Death and Resurrection and Eternal Life of Jesus Christ.

Both of you seem to share the same thoughtful and carefully researched information that Isaiah 61:1 is the only verse in the old testament that speaks of teaching the "good news", or "good tidings unto the meek" as it is written.

That would appear to me that you two are saying the "gospel" would only apply to (Isaiah 61:1) in the old testament and the rest of the old testament is just plain useless as far as teaching goes!

What a shame to have all those great books and nothing in them worth teaching, because there is no "good news" in them.

Now to be honest with you two, I find thousands of things worth teaching about in the old testament. Some "Good News and some not so Good News".

Irregardless, I don't see tearing out all those pages in the old testament that you two have deemed useless for teaching material.

When it is all said and done, you could wind up with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and a scrap piece of paper with Isaiah 61:1 on it for a "Good News" instructional manual.

I'll stick to all the books and all the pages even if I only use two verses in them to prove a point. It is not all "Good News".

Well, I got lucky Monday. I found a refrigerator and it was on sale at a price we could afford not to buy. So Prepping goes on.

Now if we can just get President Obama to keep us in mind amybe the economy will level out. NOT!

Pres Obama will tell us today that the recession is over and the economy is getting better. He will tell us again that he has magically produced millions of jobs, but it is going to cost all of us.

What he will mean is it will cost the poor people again.

President Obama will threaten congress with vetoing everything except cutting Soc. Sec., Medicare, and Medicaid UNLESS they raise the ceiling on spending and let him cut the taxes on the Rich and Big Corporations again.

Anything else would include raising the tax on the poor.

I don't see how they think cutting the taxes for Big Corporations and the top 2% of the rich will produce jobs? It hasn't worked yet since Obama became President. And P Obama has sure spent the money on the Rich and Big Corporations trying to prove it does.

P. Obama can't run the government the rest of the year unless they agree to let P. Obama spend Trillions of dollars to do it. A TRUE Sign of a weak leader and spendster.

The Good News is the United States is not only Bankrupt but it is broke as well, just like all the other countries. If the USA wasn't one of the leading countries in the IMF we would not be able to keep borrowing money.

The US is robbing Peter to pay Paul just to stay in business. The economy isn't getting any better. In fact gasoline just went up again this week to $3.66 a gallon in Bedford county, maybe more at some stations.

Vegetables and a refrigerator is the only thing I have seen that has lowered its price. The gas went up even after knowing the country has released several oil drilling permits or the gulf and other offshore sites. I thought they said the lack of oil drilling permits was one of the reasons the oil prices went up.

The unemployment rate is still high and they use their false reports to say its getting lower and people are finding jobs.

What I hear is Mac Donald is the big contributor of jobs now with something like 50,000 new job openings. That won't even employ students from high schools around the country. And what college student can pay back his/her loan working at MickyD.

We will have to wait and see if P. Obama and congress raises the ceiling on spending for the poor, ROFLMAO!

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you. The recession is NOT OVER by a long shot.

I just wanted everyone to see President Obama will be re-elected even thou he is ...............!

Today they will argue and Pres Obama will get his Spending Ceiling Raised and a continued tax cut for the rich, but Obama will say, "at his lose", HE SAVED the Soc. Sec., Medicare, Medicaid, and other Welfare programs.

Hopefully, they will all just laugh at his 4 Trillion Dollar budget cut in the next 12 years. Obama will spend more than that in his next term.

Barrack Obama was nominated for the sole purpose of working with the Arabic countries to get the peace treaty signed with Israel. Until that happens the New One World Order is at a stand still.

They jumped the gun, so they will have to keep him in another term. Evidently the Muslin Brother Hood and the Labor Unions set them back a little.

As President Obama gave his speech, I could swear I was listening to Donald Trump!

He came on very strong with we have to do this and we have to do that, then he took a 180 and said these things will not happen as long as I am the president.

He almost got a standing ovation for that sentence. They clapped at that seemingly patriotic statement.

It was nothing short of a re-election speech, that may even get him re-elected.

What did we learn from his speech. When his mouth opened, out came little spurts of Unique Lies.

Tonight, I doubt if they will have it all solved in time for P Obama to give another speech. We do know that they are going to raise the spending ceiling and not touch Soc. Sec., or any other low income programs. The Federal Government will leave those decisions up to the individual States.

And speaking of low income programs, does the Planned Parenthood Program offer free chest x-rays to screen for cancer for men, free social disease testing and treatment and free Hemorrhoid Surgery for the poor men? All I hear is females tested for female problems and social diseases and abortions.

The Banks will tell you that the Federal Reserve Notes are backed by the good credit of the United States AND THE PRODUCTIVITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

You already know the United States is Broke, so it is backed by your money you make from your Job and what you own or are paying for.

Add a little "Good News" there, blessed Assurance.

You have all been kept in the dark by all that good news the government has told you to the point you believe what they say, and this is what they do when you least expect it.

WAKE UP!

They are taking Glenn Back off the air. He was told to leave because he was scaring all those government loving people who believe the government will save them. Big Mistake!

memyselfi,

Thanks for the encouraging words.

I already had my coronary in 2006. Even gave up my smoking habit in 2006.

1. Taxation is perfectly legal when it is applied to the person made liable for the tax. For example you would not pay a baby sitting tax if you don't baby sit.

Another good example would be; If you don't live or work in Africa, you wouldn't pay taxes to Africa.

We don't live in Washington,DC, so we don't owe Washington, DC, a Federal Income Tax. We WOULD owe a State Income Tax (IF) Tennessee had a State Income Tax.

President William Taft passed a law making the Corporation liable for a excise tax which is a tax on the privilege of doing business as an artificial entity. Big Corporations were taxed for the purpose of paying the deficit. (See 1939 Internal Revenue Manual).

2. Obama is a liar. He says one thing and does the exact opposite. If you have ever listened to him you would know this. His speech Weds was a very good example of what I am saying. He wants to tax the rich, cut the Soc. Sec., Medicare, Medicaid, and other welfare programs. Stop spending and keep the deficit ceiling where it is or lower. Before his speech was over he said "that won't happen while I am president."

Obama just made a re-election campaign speech.

Obama said he was a Muslim and the Radical Muslim brotherhood is slowly taking over countries. Obama has said we would never fight the Muslims, That doesn't make me feel secure. Obama said we have to protect our borders, then does not make any attempt to stop the Mexicans nor anyone from Canada from crossing over.

Obama settled for a mere 38.5 million dollar cut which won't even pay for our involvement in Lybia.

3.Glenn Beck is a very intelligent instructor. He has proven just about everything he has ever said and begged the president or anyone who thought he was wrong to call him and make him prove what he was saying. there were no callers. If you just watch what is happening right now in the news, you need to stop and ask yourself, "What is happening under my nose while this is happening?"

4. The national debt is way out of balance and will never be paid off. The economy was always good when we were at war, until Clinton and Bush declared war on terrorists and Obama tried to follow in their footsteps. Obama has already spent Trillions and hasn't paid anything on the deficit. Hell, he can't even keep the government running without begging for more money.

5. China is the only country I even worry about, simple because you don't hear much out of China. I don't fear China of calling in the loan as much as I know Japan will have to sell our Bonds to rebuild. We don't know what the buyers will do.

6. The Tea Party is going about it the wrong way. It is too concerned with the deficit. It does need to stay on protecting the constitution.

7. Today the Lawmakers in Washington said the Muslim Brotherhood has taken control of Egypt and its constitution. How did that happen? The Lawmakers said they have no strategy on fighting the Brotherhood. Obama has already said the USA would never fight the Muslims so go figure. You may want to be a little concerned with what is happening.

If we let our constitutional rights go, we won't have a chance to defend ourselves against the Shariah Law which will be in our constitution.

It is being fought in Europe today.

God didn't give us all these rights and a Unique Country, the only country in the world where the people are the Sovereignty, just to let us give it all away to a false religion.

Life IS too short. I am 69, so it is very short for me. I just can't stand to see people ignorant of their constitutional rights. It is the only thing that can save your life in some cases.

1. That's just it. No one has the time to read anything today. They just want the government to tell them what to do and when to do it and let the Leaders do as they please.

There are Supreme Court decisions that say They can not tax a man's paycheck because it is his property.

The Supreme court ruled that you can not have a Direct tax unless it is apportioned.

The 16th Amendment has never been settled yet. It works both ways.

A. It is constitutional because it doesn't change the constitution at all. A Direct Tax must be apportioned, so therefore a Direct tax on Property is not taxable because it isn't apportioned. ("In exercising its constitutional power to make all needful regulations respecting territory belonging to the United States, Congress...is not subject to the same constitutional limitations as when legislating for the United States")

B. It can be applied to Federal Citizens because Congress can make ANY LAWS they want to that can be applied to them WITHOUT Constitutional Limitations or Restrictions. (Here's How) It just makes it possible to tax the "INCOME" from property, which the average man/woman does not earn a profit on his paycheck. He/She earns what he/she worked for. No Profit or Gain... No Income. A Corporation on the other hand has a profit or Gain but pay lawyers with the money they get back from congress to find loop holes and show no profit.

The working man/woman doesn't have a profit but would have a profit from a lottery winning or other gambling win, winning law suit settlements, Tips, Interests earned. These are INCOME from Property that the 16th Amendment allows the IRS to collect. Not your compensation for labor.

Also the IRS Codes say it must be from a "Trade or Business" (within) the United States. This means a trade or business inside Washington, DC or other Federal territory (Article I, Section 8 clause 17 and Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2

) or government Official or Officer. You must also pay a tax on any government contracts you enter into.

2. Yes. However, Obama said he would not cut Soc. Soc. Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Nor turn Medicare into a voucher program as long as he was the President. That is EXACTLY WHAT HE DID!

3. Beck forecast what the Muslim Brotherhood was doing and what to watch out for.

The Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt and is in Libya and other countries in the middle east. Our lawmakers said they have no strategy to fight the Muslim Brotherhood. That sounds like something the Homeland Security Agency would say. Also Obama is turning against Israel.

4. The historical context does not apply in our future race to destruction. The past has never seen a budget as high as 14 Trillion dollars before. Our Leaders couldn't even come up with 60 billion dollars to run the government for the rest of the fiscal year. All they could come up with was 38.5 Billion, then found $125 Billion in their misc account of waste and fraud yesterday.

The constitution give congress the right to lay and collect a (Direct Tax) after a war to recover money spent. Congress doesn't do that, because the wars today are not even wars. The Presidents are just sending our troops into foreign lands to be sitting ducks, and without the consent of congress.

5. Rebuilding countries we have bombed does not help our economy at all. It just makes the building material cost more in our country. As I was building on my house I was also supplying material for Iraq out of my pocket. The economy got better because we were paying double.

6. So then you could say our debt to Japan is just another Stimulus Bill we couldn't afford in the first place. We can't afford to pay any of them off, only pay a minute amount on.

Its far from the end of the world. that is what I am saying. All these things are going to happen in the end times and everyone needs to see we are there.

7. You can bet your last dollar that our Leaders have taken part in helping the Muslin Brotherhood take possession of the east. Our President will be inviting them to our country as well. You have no idea what you are thinking when you say some degree of power. All they have to do is get their foot in the door and it will be over as you know it.

Let's add;

8. Then yesterday the National News stated that the "WORLD BANK" has steeply increased the price of Food. What would possess the "WORLD BANK", of all things, to raise the price of Food during a triple recession that HAS NOT started to recover yet? And the Feds are planning on increasing the interest rate.

9. What about our borders President Obama said we have to protect? Or the Education budget we need?

10. Yesterday they discovered that our Leaders have over paid the United Nations 186 Million Dollars for their services against Libya. Our government servants are not paying attention... they are only paying out, because that's all they know what to do.

Now if you have been paying attention to what is going on around you, you should be able to see that the Leaders have full intentions of taking the middle class out of the middle class and inserting them in the poor class where they can control them.

Famine, Pestilence, Wars and rumors of wars like never before in history are coming to a country near YOU!

You see, I won't be here much longer, so it probably won't effect me so much, Per se.

The courts are saying now that the rights protected by the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution only protect your rights against the United States Federal Government and against Congress, but not the States. So that leads one to believe that you must also know you State Constitutional Rights if you want your rights protected because most problems that come up will be in your state.

Congress and the President will be like termites eating away at our rights and country until it is GONE!

The Tea Party is the ONLY Organization that is even trying to stop Congress and the President from destroying our country. If we can't do anything , the least we should do is back them. It is our last line of defense!

I have stated over and over again that Obama will be re-elected. I hate the thought, but nothing changes my mind even though I am very much against Obama being re-elected. Even the polls they are taking is showing Obama as the next president.

HOW CAN THAT BE? Obama has not done one thing good for this country that I know of.

Times Gazette should open a blog where people can tell me something President Obama has done FOR our County or its People.

Blessed Assurance,

I am LIKE the Wealthy, in that respect! I render unto Caesar, what is Caesars. But at the present time, "I do not earn any reportable income from a trade or business within the United States."

In Foley Brothers, Inc V. Filardo, the Court said, "It is a well established principle of law that all federal legislation applies only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States unless a contrary intent appears."

Again, the territorial jurisdiction of the United States is defined as property owned by the United States, not the States themselves. This is further clarified in Hooven v. Evatt in which the Court said,

"In exercising its constitutional power to make all needful regulations respecting territory belonging to the United States, Congress...is not subject to the same constitutional limitations as when legislating for the United States" (Also see Article I, Section 8, cl. 17 and Article 4, section 3, cl 2 of U.S. Constitution.)

When you read the next clause, 18: To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof."

We see that... If legislation coming from Congress is to have force and affect of law within the States, the legislation must be specific and specify the intent, otherwise, the legislation is made pursuant to making all needful rules and regulations for within its territorial jurisdiction. Congress has long forgotten about this requirement to specify which laws apply to the States and which apply only to federal territory.

I do believe Federal Income Tax is Federal Legislation. Therefore, congress must include a contrary intent if that law, code, or statute applies to private citizens of the states. The IRS can lawfully tax the States, but not the people, unless they are federal citizens (14th Amendment Citizens) or Corporations, artificial entities and government employees, officers and officials (aka) persons who earn income from a trade or business within the boundaries of the Federal United States and its Territories.

Without such a law being specific about who must pay the income tax... well!

The 16th Amendment is not such a law with a contrary intent to include the private sector.

It tells congress What it can do, but NOT WHO it can do it to, so it must be assumed to apply to the federal territories unless the courts can prove otherwise.

Another good example is... the charges against a non-taxpayer is brought on by the Government. The IRS is not a Government corporation owned by the United States. The Judge is on the side of the United States. That is a conflict of interest and makes the judge Bias against the person charged which make that hearing in violation of due process of the law and must be dismissed, because all judges would be rooting for the United States.

HOWEVER, I do not recommend anyone trying to stop paying their Income Tax. You are better off paying your taxes, unless you understand these and about a thousand other laws.

Ah, a little wind blowing from the Southwest today.

Yes, suppose to be another storm like the 240 we had this weekend killing 45 and hitting 14 states.

But that's not all that happened this weekend.

I found out that President Obama took 500,000,000,000 dollars (500 Billion dollars), (1/2 of a Trillion dollars) out of the Medicare Program and put it in his Obama Health care package to get it started, long before he stated that the Medicare program would not become a voucher program as long as he was the president.

[That, as I see it is fraud, theft by conversion, misuse of appropriated funds, extortion and grand theft, and congress knew all about it when it happened and said nothing to the people.]

All the different Christian denominations are meeting in (I believe) Washington with the Muslim religions for a get together.

The Christian God has said no other gods before you. God told the Israelites to kill all the men, women and children in the countries they were taking over, so they would not be influenced by other gods and religions.

The Airlines are not happy yet with all the money they are making from the customers. They have decided to make you pay extra for services they have been giving away on flights.

The credit score of the United States is being lowered because of the spending of Congress and the President.

The Secretary of the Treasury stated over the weekend that the Spending Ceiling will have to be increased, not lowered.

Obama extended the tax cut for the rich, because they provide jobs.

I have to Ask! Where are all these jobs? This tax freeze has been in place for 4+ years or more. I don't see any jobs coming from the Rich people getting tax breaks nor from Big Corporation getting Tax breaks.

Then we have all those fires in Texas. Every county except 2 counties have fires in them. One homeless person has been charged with Arson because he left his campfire to go get beer.

How could one homeless person cause all those fires by not being there?

Just how stupid is the government? They just keep getting stupider and stupider! No one could set that many fires if their life depended on it.

So, you think the recession is getting better? I just don't see it working. Even the feds are going to raise the interest rate in the middle of it all. Oil prices dropped over the weekend but the Gasoline price went up and is continuing to go up.

This recession isn't going to end until all of the middle class people are in the poorhouse.

TVA just went into their new rates this month, but that only happens for 2 months then they will fly into a much higher rate for the 4 summer months, stealing more of your income.

Look at all the homes destroyed and jobs lost. Who is going to be able to rebuild unless the government guarantees rebuilding loans? Then the gov will sock it to them when they try to pay it back. The insurance companies won't be able to pay off, but we are suppose to think Obama Health care will!

I have one more post and then I am leaving all of you along in your world of peace and happiness.

I just want to say first, that the government Tyranny is running wild and its Usurped corruption is taking over the country faster than I can report it. It isn't even waiting for the Muslim Brotherhood to take control of our Constitution. Our Sovereignty is deteriorating FAST right along with what used to be America.

It is beginning to get too dangerously stupid to try to convince Americans what is REALLY going on in our country.

If I have time this afternoon or evening, I will post my last comment for everyone to ignore.

Until then, everyone has this time to say anything they want to about any of my issues if they want them addressed.

1). New Photo Voter ID cards: Government making it harder to vote, so they can control the polls.

2). Obama will get re-elected no matter who you vote for.

3). State Governors firing your elected officials and do with your town and property what he wants to. (EFM)

3). Obama has meeting on Immigration problem but doesn't invite Governors of Texas and Arizona!

4). 1 million acres on fire in Texas or all the counties except 2. What is that all about?

5). World Bank raise Food Prices.

6). Oil price goes down, so our supplier stops pumping.

7). Price of gasoline keeps going up even with oil price down.

8). Utility Companies raise rates (I predicted them a good source for stock market investors).

9). Government behind the Gun running into Mexico. Same guns killed ICE Agents.

These are not conspiracies. These events are happening right now, TODAY! It's in the World News everyday! You don't need me to explain them!

Unique, Sorry it has taken so long to reply. I have been busy this week. Unfortunately, you have raised way too many topics for me to address all at once.

1. Taxation - Yes, the Supreme Court has said that, but not recently. That was the reason to amend the Constitution. The courts have been pretty consistent in their support of the income tax. It is Constitutional.

A. The amendment does not give the right to tax; it just removes the question over whether or not the tax is direct or not. It is irrelevant.

B. Your reasoning is circular and semantic. "from whatever source derived" does not leave much to doubt.

The IRS Code at any given time is irrelevant. It represents only a specific implementation of the authority, not the actual authority.

2. Yes, politicians lie. "Vietnam...""I am not a crook" "peace in the middle east" "no arms for hostages" "read my lips" "I did not have..." "Weapons of mass.." I do not know what Obama will do in regard to the things you mentioned, but there is a very good chance that he will lie.

3. You may not want to hear this, but western powers do not discriminate. They do not care about a group's religion. It would also be a mistake to assume that are they very concerned with their politics, provided they are a client state and serve their higher purpose-namely whatever we want them to do.

4. While 15 trillion has never been reached before, a better measure is the ratio of debt/GDP. We have seen a similar ratio at several times in history. It is not good, but there is no impending doom. Of course, it must be paid down, and it will be.

5. No one claimed that what was good for the economy was also good for you specifically. In fact, most economic indicators are partial to only a small segment of society. The aftermath of war is good for anyone who is left to supply and consume resources through trade with the defeated. We will not see as much of that benefit here at the lower levels of society for these wars though, as our manufacturing base has shrunk. It is the multi-nationals that will see the benefit, along with those nations who produce large amounts of export goods.

6. I imagine that "we" could easily pay off the entire debt in no time, if that were really an objective.

7. I do not believe for one second that anyone is planning to supplant Christianity, or our political world dominance, with the Muslim Brotherhood. If any such relationship exists, it is one of convenience and subjugation.

8. The World Bank acts only as an extension of the neo-liberal political and economic junta who seek nothing more than wealth accumulation and protection.

Of course there is class competition. There always has been. I don't just mean here, but everywhere, since the beginning of time. There has always been a ruling class and a class of the ruled. The reality is nuanced and somewhat back and forth, but nevertheless always present. There is also nothing new about famine, pestilence, or war. "There is nothing new under the sun."

I don't have the time to go through the rest this morning, but I will try to sometime this weekend.

Blessed,

The world itself may not be peace and happiness but there is a Peace and Joy to be had even amidst all the trials and tribulations.

It surpasses all understanding.

Whoa! I see you haven't been "Raptured Up" yet!

Your "peace and joy even amidst the trials and tribulations" is just what I have always taught.

God will provide us with the protection we deserve during the Trials and Tribulation period if we believe and trust in him and obey and are patient. But we can not be sleeping. We must know what is going on around us.

You just said it best.

I do not see anyone's clothes neatly folded and sitting in the spot that they were standing in when they were "Raptured up". Must not have taken place yet. Keep watching, it's coming soon. People will be going about their eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.

Revelation 16:15 "Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and "remains clothed", so as "not to go naked and be shamefully exposed"."

(Matthew 24:36-38)

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

memyselfi,

Take your Time. I too have other things to do today.

I was waiting to make sure I have my stories straight, but only discovered move events happened yesterday.

I will post soon, but I need it to be accurate.

I can see that You don't understand your constitutional rights from your 16th Amendment defense.

ANY and EVERY Law that is contrary to or inconsistent with our U.S. Constitution is "Null and Void".

The 16th Amendment is contrary to the Constitution that says a Direct Tax must be apportioned. However, because the 16th Amendment doesn't say a Direct Tax, but "from whatever source derived" it becomes an Indirect Tax and therefore is Constitutional.

As I explained, the "from whatever source derived" is the interest (INCOME) you earn on your savings or checking account, money (INCOME) you win gambling, money (INCOME) you win in a law suit, Capital Gain (INCOME) from the sale of your property, and any profit (INCOME) your earn for your business.

The 16th Amendment does not create a Direct Tax on your paycheck nor your home unless you sell it for more money than your house is worth (which won't happen now unless the economy changes drastically).

I Gotta go spend some money to help the economy out a little. I will return!

TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART I >

(a) General definition

Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following items:

(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits, and similar items;

(2) Gross income derived from business;

(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;

(4) Interest;

(5) Rents;

(6) Royalties;

(7) Dividends;

(8) Alimony and separate maintenance payments;

(9) Annuities;

(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;

(11) Pensions;

(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;

(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;

(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and

(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.

(b) Cross references

For items specifically included in gross income, see part II (sec. 71 and following). For items specifically excluded from gross income, see part III (sec. 101 and following).

You can google any other items.

Blessed,

I have not seen any Peace and Joy in you. Actually you still appear to be in bondage.

The trials and tribulations I was referring to are the ones that have been going on since before John wrote Revelation even up until today and into the future.

John even starts out in the first chapter of Revelation with tribulations.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Apr 22, 2011, at 6:33 PM

(Revelation 1:9) - John had hidden himself in a cave in the isle that is called Patmos, so he would be safe from persecution while writing the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

John was in the middle of a Tribulation period where the Romans were out to kill the followers of Christ and later conquered Israel, including the Temple in Jerusalem and enslaved those they didn't kill or burn to death.

(2 Thessalonians 1:4) Then Paul goes on, but start at verse 3. (2 Thessalonians 1:3-10) Paul tells them they are growing in their faith and they have increasing Love for each other even as the Tribulations are upon them. Paul is telling the other churches "we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring."

NOW LOOK GOOD AT VERSES 5-12 - Paul tells them that God will punish those who trouble you. (Tribulation) and give relief to you who are troubled. (abused)

Paul goes on to tell them when God will pay them back - This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed.

It appears that Paul is telling them now that they ARE being persecuted and not caught up in the clouds, but God will punish their persecutors when God returns.

Then Rome destroys Israel and captures the Jews later on, but no "caught up in the clouds" come for them.

Then in verses 11-12 ; 11 With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may bring to fruition your every desire for goodness and your every deed prompted by faith.

12 We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Paul tells them "With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling."

Paul is telling them that the churches are constantly praying for them so God may make them worthy of his calling. (You teach once saved always saved and yon don't have to prove your worthiness.) Paul differs from your belief.

Paul also says, " We pray this so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ."

Paul seems to be repeating himself on this praying for them so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in them, and they in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ. If we are saved by grace and never have to worry about losing our salvation, why does Paul feel the churches need to pray for their righteousness to remain in Christ?

Is Paul worried that their Trials and Tribulation may be too great for them to remain in Christ?

(Romans 5:3)

This is worth repeating:

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Paul tells us that we glory in Tribulations because it strengthens us by giving us Patience, Love, Experience and Hope. So with that in mind, why would anyone think they would be "Raptured up" out of this Glory, Love, Faith, Hope, Experience and Patience worthiness to remain in God?

I have always taught that even through the Trials and Tribulation periods minor or the End Time Tribulation, those who believe in God have nothing to worry about, even thou many will die for his name sake.

As you can plainly see, both Paul and John speak of Trial and Tribulations brought on God's people that can only make them stronger in their faith and belief. The Trials and tribulations that Paul and John spoke of were minor and life threatening tribulations.

Christianity was becoming a crime in the time of Paul and John and any Christian could lose his/her life if confessed.

I believe that if you are a true born again Christian then God lives within you and you won't sin because of that. I also believe that all the Christians living in the last days will remain on the earth with the sinners until Christ returns.

The Christians who are righteous Christians will remain alive to witness the first resurrection and those who are not true born again Christians who remain righteous will die in the Tribulation period or will accept the Mark of the beast through ignorance of what the world is doing, or not wanting to give up their wealth so they accept the mark of the beast. Many will worship this new One World False Religion because they don't want to be killed for Blasphemy.

These are the thing Christians need to be warned about before it happens. Like most people, Christian will say that could never happen in this country. Or our Government wouldn't let this happen.

Our so called government cares nothing about you and has already taken over most our your life unknowingly to any of YOU!

Now you say Blessed Assurance, "Actually you still appear to be in bondage."

I have to ask you - who is really in Bondage.

The one who sucks up to a tyrant Government or someone who stands up for their rights?

Who is in Bondage because they pay taxes to a non-government agency who wasn't given power to lay and collect taxes by the U.S. Constitution?

Who is in Bondage when they go to court and found guilty for a crime that doesn't even apply to them?

Who is in Bondage when the One World Bank raises the Price on Food and they don't take advantage of sales and stock up a little while there is food?

Who is in Bondage when the government keeps spending money and is going to raise the spending ceiling even higher in the next few months?

Who is in Bondage when the Christians and Muslims try to come together next month on the 7th or 17th.

Who is in Bondage when the Home Land Security says high alert on Easter day, but no information about what is expected or where and who should be concerned and what they should do for their safety?

Who is in bondage when they think they will be Raptured up and it doesn't happen and they took no steps to plan otherwise?

Who is in Bondage? I don't think it is me! I believe if you know the truth, the truth will set you free.

PREPPING is not just stocking up food and supplies. It is preparing for hard times ahead. When we see what is happening all around us, we have to see that this has never ever happened in such intensity before now. I would appear we are heading into a very rough and tough times or worse.

How can you prepare for anything if you don't know what is coming? Now is the time to start prepping for something that has never happened before in the history of this world. What is it?

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)

funny thing about those who teach that salvation can be "lost", when you ask them if they have ever "lost" theirs, the answer is no.

27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one." John 10: 28-30 (NIV)

Paul is telling them that the churches are constantly praying for them so God may make them worthy of his calling. (You teach once saved always saved and yon don't have to prove your worthiness.) Paul differs from your belief.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Apr 23, 2011, at 1:45 PM

Unique,

You really need to patiently and methodically study the following:

1 - Justification

2 - Sanctification

3 - Glorification

I truly think if you could distinguish between the three you would see your errors and might possibly find this Peace and Joy I wish for you.

My Blessed Assurance is encapsulated with Peace and Joy which are some Fruits of the Spirit.

Midnight Rider,

(1 John 1:5-7)

5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.

Verse 5 ...there is no darkness AT ALL!

IF you are born again you walk in the light - do not sin.

Verse 6 ...IF we walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

Verse 7 ...IF we walk in the light, ...his Son, PURIFIES us from ALL SIN.

Therefore If we are born again AND walk in the Light, we will not sin, but if we do not walk in the Light, we SIN.

In verses 8 we can't say we have never sinned or are without sin without deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

However in verse 9 John tells us if we confess our sins God will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (This is being Born Again.)

In verse 10 John says If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us, or (we have not been Born Again.)

These are the people who just say they are Christians because they believe in God.

Midnight Rider,

I forgot to answer your last verses!

The main verse to concentrate on is the first one - (John 10:27)

"My sheep listen to my voice;

I know them, and they follow me."

If you read his word (listen to him) he knows you and this TRUE Born Again Christians will follow him and stay in the light. (That means they will not sin but follow his word).

What happens if they do not Listen to him and follow his word? They become liars and devils and false teachers and false prophets.

They become the things I am being accused of becoming.

Verses 28 and 29 verify that no one can snatch you out of his hands (IF) you Listen and Follow him, because you are dead to sin and living in the spirit

In verse 30 Jesus is stating that he (Jesus) and his father (God) are one.

(Romans 8:9-10)

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (You are no longer living in the flesh 'or Body' because God dwells within you, Therefore you can not sin again while God dwells within you.)

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

(Further proof that you don't sin when Christ is in you, because the body that sins (is dead), but the spirit within you is righteousness).

A Born Again Christian can not sin if walking in the light of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. They sin only if they turn from the way of truth and righteousness.

(Hebrews 6:4-6)

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Midnight Rider,

I have said many times that I have sinned an therefore I must admit that I have lost my salvation because it is handed out only once. Christ will not allow himself to be crucified over and over again.

I realized this and have tried to warn others to follow the Lord and stay in his light. I don't think of myself as a devil, so I stay in his word and teach what I learn.

Am I a liar and a devil? You have to decide that by what I teach. What I teach is my fruit. If everyone thinks it is a lie then so be it. I do not agree with what I believe is from the devil nor do I teach it, but others don't see things as I do.

Too many people are followers and they will follow the wrong person just because someone else (or even many) do. The whole world is suppose to come against Israel in the last days that the experts claim will be World War III.

If they would just read the Bible they would see that it is not Israel that the world comes against. It isn't even going to happen until we are resurrected. The scriptures say the devil and his armies will come against God's people in the camps around his holy city, but doesn't name the city. The name most likely won't be named Israel because that is a country not a city.

The World is coming against Christ when he returns, not Israel. Christ will defeat the Kings of the Earth and their armies.

This is the World War III people are talking about. It is actually called Armageddon and is not the LAST Battle between God and Satan.

If we read his word and watch the worldly news, we understand what the bible is telling us.

Am I a liar and a devil or do I know what I am talking about? Only you can read his word and decide for yourself. I can only say I am a sinner who was born again.

Listening to others I would still be a born again Christian according to their beliefs, yet they call me a devil, proving they believe what I say. If I was once saved by God's grace then I would always be saved, so why would they say I am a devil teaching lies and twisting the scriptures to deceive the people?

Either I am right or wrong. It doesn't work both ways. Everything I say comes from the bible.

To celebrate Easter Sunday in a church would make me a hypocrite because I don't go to church. I believe a man can pray in his closet or home. God talks to me through his word and I talk to God through my prayers. If I went to church and spoke out against the preacher I would be interrupting the service and putting the preacher on a spot. I rely on the Holy Spirit to teach me his word.

I have said many times that I have sinned an therefore I must admit that I have lost my salvation because it is handed out only once. Christ will not allow himself to be crucified over and over again.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 1:20 PM

Unique,

You simply just do not understand the Gospel.

Can a true Christian still sin? I believe he can, and probably will at some point.

Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Apr 24, 2011, at 8:49 PM

At some point? Like it is a rarity.

As long as we are in this tent of flesh, even in the process of sanctification, we almost continually fall short. It is not a rare "miss the mark" thing.

Just read the first commandment alone and it is evident we almost continually sin in the flesh.

Until the following happens sin will plague us all, including Christians:

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

B L A S P H E M Y

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I have been filled and in order to receive more I must teach what I already know.

John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

You two Posted: "Can a true Christian still sin? I believe he can, and probably will at some point."

ALSO posted was:

Mark 4:20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

21 And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?

22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear

To this I say:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So, if a man is born again of the Spirit, the flesh is dead

Does the Spirit that comes from God, Sin, Lie or live in the Flesh?

Were you two not born again in the Spirit that does not sin like the flesh?

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed posted: "As long as we are in this tent of flesh, even in the process of sanctification, we almost continually fall short. It is not a rare "miss the mark" thing."

Although, While we live on this earth we do live in a tent of flesh, inside that tent is suppose to be the Holy Spirit of GOD who does not sin. So are you living in the flesh in that tent or in the spirit in that tent?

You also posted: "Just read the first commandment alone and it is evident we almost continually sin in the flesh."

What say I?

Matthew 22:37-39

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Then you posted this stupid remark: "Until the following happens sin will plague us all, including Christians:"

First we will look at the word "SLEEP". Those who died "Sleep".

Next in vs 52: we see "at the LAST TRUMP". This is when Christ returns to take control of his kingdom. The end has come. This isn't before Christ returns to rule, as in some secret meeting with those who are caught up..

Also in vs 52 we read "the dead shall be raised incorruptible". This means the bodies will not be decayed. It has nothing to do with sin.

In vs 53 it states we must put on new undecayed bodies and our mortal bodies must put on immortality.

Acts 2:27-31 - thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Vs 54 explains it better for you. "then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." This can be found in Isiah 25.

Isiah 25:8 he will swallow up death forever.

The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears

from all faces;

he will remove his people's disgrace

from all the earth.

The LORD has spoken.

Here it is plain to see that if death is swallowed up, when you think the Christians are raptured up, the evil would never be killed by Christ because Death was swallowed up at the rapture.

Not the case.

This means the last trump is at the judgment day and that is when everyone is changed in the twinkle....

1 Corinthians 15:51-54

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

UL- Blasphemy you say! Who made you the judge?

Read the word of the Lord concerning the forgiveness of sin. If you want to take it literally then we get 490 tries?? How often and how many times will the Lord forgive? Will he command his disciples to do soemthing he would not do? The servant is not greater that the master in any area, including forgiveness.

Lu 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Lu 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Mt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mt 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Mt 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

Mt 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

Mt 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mt 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

Mt 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

Mt 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mt 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

Mt 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

Mt 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mt 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mt 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Mt 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

He knows my sin and the Holy Spirit rebukes me and sometimes my brothers in Christ also. Christ is very patient, forgiving and understanding. He knows our weaknesses, just as he knew Simons, forgiving him for denying he even knew him after all they had been through together.

If you have been filled, you merely need to LIVE what you already know, forgiving and being forgiven as Christ taught. The example of your life teaches much more than your words. If Christ hadn't done what no one else did, or could do, we probably wouldn't be studying his teachings either. PRAISE GOD HE DID!!!

I do not condone sin and I do my best to commit none, but I am constantly being shaped and made aware of my failures. The Holy Spirit does a good job of guiding me. It is my failure that I don't always listen and obey. As a result, I usually get a spanking for my disobedience which encourages me to be more attentive next time. I do love my father and read his word, but like the prodigal son I have gone astray and returned to him in repentance each time. He knows my heart and I trust HIS judgement and know HIS love.

And if you are no longer under the law nor sin, what keeps you obeying the law (making you a sinner) or keeps you from obeying the law (making you righteous)?

Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Apr 26, 2011, at 7:01 PM

Unique lie,

When you come into Grace and out from under the Law you are finally out of bondage and free to serve out of Love.

If you "have" to do something it is out of duty. You are in bondage and not set free and at liberty to unboundifully Love.

And most important of all is the need to correct you on your perceived definition of "righteous". You are not made righteous by "obeying the law" as you state above.

Only by Grace through Faith can you be declared righteous by God. It is the righteousness of Christ that is imputed to you.

The righteousness you talk of is self righteousness which is damnable. Your works may have fellow man declare you righteous, but not in God's eyes.

Do you not understand the Gospel at all?

UL

OK, I think I can see your logic here. That is a good point. There exists in the re-borne the spirit borne of God which cannot sin because it is of God. I agree! Paul also talks about it. There also exists our fleshly carnal mind/spirit which must be put to death as it is appointed to die beacuse of sin. They are at war in us and cannot co-exist in the same body. We can embrace either one.

Being physically in flesh bodies we can find ourselves not walking after the spirit, but after the flesh, although we earnestly desire the spirit. The spirit bears witness to us that we are being fleshly and not spiritual. We must repent and yield to the spirit of God, if not we are fooling ourselves and not walking after the spirit. That is not to say that we will not fall in the flesh while seeking to walk in the spirit. God knows the truth about which spirit we embrace and inwardly, so do we.

UL- You asked;

Who did Jesus Christ forgive in the bible after he was risen?

ANSWER; SAUL/PAUL, and everyone else since then.

We don't need any other sacrifice. We just need to walk in the spirit, not the flesh, this is not an easy task since we are living in a world of disobedience. God knows that! Walking in the spirit means to cry Abba Father if you fall, get up, and don't repeat the same mistake again. Run the good race! What father is not pleased and forgiving with his son who comes to him and says, "Dad, I messed up. I'm sorry. I won't do it again."?

Blessed A,

I posted: "And if you are no longer under the law nor sin, what keeps you obeying the law (making you a sinner) or keeps you from obeying the law (making you righteous)?"

Let me see if I can make it simple for you to understand. I teach like Paul so I have confused you.

1). if you are no longer under the law nor sin, what keeps you obeying the law (making you a sinner)

You and Liveforlight say you sin and always will until you die. So if you are not under the law... how can you sin? You are no longer under sin!

Go figure?

2). or keeps you from obeying the law (making you righteous)?"

Something is keeping you from obeying the law. You said it was Love. Good answer. So LOVE is keeping you from obeying the law (thereby making you righteous because you are not obeying the Law).

The righteousness I speak of is not self righteousness but what Paul taught.

That is all you know how to speak on and yet you don't seem to understand it clearly.

Liveforlight,

Yes Paul was the only man in the bible who he forgave after he had risen. You could say he forgave all 12 of his disciples also, because he told them to wait until the holy spirit descended upon them. That would have been a forgiveness.

Everyone else would have to be forgiven by God through Grace.

If we accidentally or unknowingly do something wrong we are not sinning because the only commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as much as you love yourself. If we obey those two commandment we have not sinned.

Therefore to sin is to willfully sin knowingly against God or our neighbor (anyone).

Blessed A,

I already covered that above.

Paul is saying if I do good I am wrong because I am obeying the law, but if I do wrong, I am doing good because I am not living by the law.

Then he goes on to say if he does wrong he is doing right but if he does good he is dong wrong but it isn't him but his flesh that sins.

Paul is saying he is dead in the flesh so if the flesh commits the sin it is not Paul but his flesh.

That is what I have asked you.

If you say you sin, how can that be, because a born again person does not sin, the flesh sins, but the spirit does not sin. Until you refuse to LOVE God and your neighbor, you have committed no sin, yet you say you do.

unique lies, go to the religion blog, I have something to say to you there

Really? You have a hard time understanding what I say, let alone Paul.

I know I sin and fall short.

I also know I have an advocate who makes intercession for me.

My calling doesn't apply to you.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, May 1, 2011, at 9:18 PM

Agreed. It appears (from your professions) that we are of two different kingdoms. With mercy and by grace through faith I am saved.

Saved - Lost

Seeing - Blind

God - Satan

Light - Dark

Day - Night

Heaven - Hell

Peace - Turmoil

Joy - Dread

Faith - Works

Grace - Law

Right - Left

Up - Down

Holy Spirit - Evil spirit

etc,. etc,. etc.,...

Yes indeed, most difinetly two different callings from two different kingdoms.

You must be adults in Christ to hear me. I speak not my words but those of the Holy Spirit.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, May 2, 2011, at 11:14 AM

Unique,

Since when did the Holy Spirit indwell the self professed lost?

You do realize that Satan can appear as an angel of light and be deceiving you.......don't you.

Again you speak with a forked tongue.

How can you say we can not lose our salvation once we are saved, then say and believe I an Satan after I have been saved?

You are telling Unique Lies again!

Either we are saved forever because we believe OR we can lose our Salvation if we turn back and are entangled in the world again.

You have to decide which you believe. You preach one belief then preach to the world another belief.

Romans 8

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

The Holy Spirit will bear witness if we are children of God.

Another spirit will bear witness to the lost of its kingdom.

Therefore and whereby I cry, Abba, Father.

What crieth thou unique lies?

---

My Father loveth me and chastises me when I do wrong and sin.

Yes. that is right, we will still sin after being justified by faith.

Hebrews 12

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

If you do not receive chastisement after sinning as a child of God then perhaps you are not a child of God

Hebrews 12

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

What beith thou unique lies....child or bastard?

Ouch! That seems a little harsh.

Posted by Midnight Rider on Wed, May 4, 2011, at 5:12 AM

Yes indeed, a little harsh, but straight out of scripture.

It has always appeared a little harsh when I read those verses in Hebrews 12 but it is what it is.

While it does appear a little harsh I must say I see the beauty that lies within those scriptures. I see a loving Father who chasteneth and disiplines His children when they fall short and sin.

Yes, I could have simply asked unique lies are you saved or lost as you basically did in an earlier post but I choose instead to ask as the writer of Hebrews does in Chapter 12.

Perhaps the writer of Hebrews prepared us earlier in Chapter 4 for his coming harshness in Chapter 12 when he said:

Hebrews 4

12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Whether you say "saved or lost" or "son or bastard" it basically accomplishes the same as seperating the sheep on the right side and the goats on the left side.

What a way to represent Christ!!! Arguing

Blessed Assurance wants everyone to believe I am Satan.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, May 8, 2011, at 4:26 PM

No unique, you are dreaming again.

You said you were lost.

I said you and I are therefore of two different kingdoms.

I do not think you are Satan. I do think however, Satan rules the lost.

unique.... it sometimes appears you are as lost as last years' easter egg.... in more ways than the one you profess.

Did anyone buy up any canned vegetables this past week while they were on sale at Food Lion? Two cans for $1.00. A pretty good sale if you ask me. I didn't think they would have another sale this late in the season.

I'm still stocking up to save money on Food.