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Sen. Hillary Clinton, in the Democratic presidential primary, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, in the Republican primary, carried Bedford County in Tuesday's elections, echoing statewide results. Both had convincing margins in Bedford County.
A total of 7,312 votes were cast locally. All vote totals are unofficial until certified by the county election commission.
Democrats
 Sen. Hillary Clinton |
Among the inactive Democratic candidates, Sen. John Edwards had 204 votes, Sen. Joe Biden received 11, Gov. Bill Richardson 8, Sen. Chris Dodd 4, and Sen. Dennis Kucinich 3. The ballot had been locked in weeks ago -- well before the start of early voting -- and could not be changed just because of a candidate's withdrawal from campaigning. Some of the now-inactive candidates, like Edwards, were still campaining when the early voting period started.
In the local Democratic primary, unopposed incumbent Assessor of Property Ronda Clanton drew 2,871 courtesy votes, with unopposed incumbent Highway Superintendent Stanley Smotherman receiving 2,996 courtesy votes.
Republicans
 Former Gov. Mike Huckabee [Click to enlarge] |
Among inactive candidates, former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson drew 89, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani 17, former Assistant Secretary of State Alan Keyes 7, Rep. Duncan Hunter 5 and Rep. Tom Tancredo 1.
Some Tennesseans had said they would vote for Thompson despite his withdrawal from the race, either as a statement in support of his policies or in order to send his particular roster of delegates to the GOP convention.
Women voters helped Clinton win the Democratic primary statewide, according to exit polling, while evangelical Christians delivered the edge for Huckabee in a tight Republican race.
A majority of voters in the Democratic primary were white and women, and Clinton ran strongly in both demographics, according to exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.
Huckabee had 34 percent in the Republican primary, more than 2 percentage points ahead of McCain. Romney was third with 24 percent.
Huckabee, a former Southern Baptist preacher, ran strong among evangelical Christians and conservatives, while McCain did best among moderates and those ranking "the right experience" and ability to win in the general election as most important.
Robert Parham, executive director of the Baptist Center for Ethics in Nashville, said Huckabee won despite opposition from the Republican establishment.
"Baptist churches clearly opened their doors to him, and Baptist clergy placed their moral mantle on him," Parham said. The Southern Baptist Convention has its headquarters in Tennessee.
Associated Press reports contributed to this story.
CNN, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC.. NONE of them are mentioning this, does anyone wonder why? They also haven't counted the Maine results from TWO WEEKS AGO.. Wonder why that is? Perhaps b/c RON PAUL WON THEM!!!
http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=78...
Socialism already exists, everywhere... You just don't notice it.
Mr. Darrick - One final comment: I do not want Socialism in the U.S. in any form, including socialized medicine.
I would advise you to check out the problems with socialized medicine before accepting it as "gospel".
Nothing is perfect, but what we have in the U.S. is far better than socialized medicine. As I've said before, Montel Williams has witnessed Socialized medicine "in action" and it's not what you think it is.
As I said yesterday, most of the "care" will be contracted out to private firms anyway but at a much greater expense.
Regardless of whether or not we're allowed to keep our current coverage, it will result in much higher taxes across the board.
Anyway, we can agree to disagree on this subject.
I just checked the link again and it went straight to the page on my computer with no problem.
I reposted this one:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
A brief copy of what I found when I searched 'problems with healthcare':
Unfortunately for those requiring care, a mostly socialist health care system still has problems. The articles and commentaries in this section identify some disasters caused by government intervention in the British health care system.
One in eight patients waiting over a year for treatment, admits minister
- John Carvel, June 8, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]
Audit Office asked to investigate record £500m NHS underspend
- John Carvel, May 30, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]
The drugs the NHS won't give you
- May 11, 2007 [Telegraph UK]
UK lagging behind on cancer drug access, study finds
- May 10, 2007 [Guardian Unlimited]
Specialist stroke care 'lottery'
- May 9, 2007 [BBC News]
Smokers and the obese banned from UK hospitals
- May 2, 2007 [Healthcare News]
Cancer patients told life-prolonging treatment is too expensive for NHS
- Lyndsay Moss, February 13, 2007 [The Scotsman]
UK health service "harms 10 percent of patients"
- Kate Kelland, July 7, 2006 [Reuters]
5,000 elderly 'killed each year' by lack of care beds
- June 26, 2006 [Telegraph UK]
This goes to the same page I got with the first link I posted. I don't time to repost the others discussing the same problems in Canada and Japan.
it's not your computer they don't work
It could very well be my computer, but I could not get a single one of those links to work!
Some links regarding problems with other countries healthcare systems which may explain the reservations that some of us have who have observed the development of such systems in other countries over decades:
(That means that we are at least over 30,40,50 and deal more directly with healthcare in general than say someone who is still on their parents'insurance policy)
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt......
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt......
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt......
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt......
http://www.imshealth.com/ims/portal/fron......
http://homepage.mac.com/macaddict4life/w......
-- Posted by stardust on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 7:55 PM
Puppydinks, One question and I am done. When, for some unfortunate reason, your insurance decides to drop you, deny you coverage, or pay less than they said they would, and you end up mortgaging your house off in order to finance your medical bills, can you still believe that socialized healthcare will be that bad?
Hillary's plan is not going to take away the private insurance companies coverage of those who have the abiliity to afford it. Here is one last question for you.. Did you know that it is supposed to be illegal for the government to tax you on your property, yet you don't mind paying for that? Did you know that you are REQUIRED to have car insurance, if you drive... Did you know that we pay millions of dollars in taxpayer money towards treating the smptoms and diseases of terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay? As Diana mentioned, we provide the same services for the lowest people in our society, those who rot in jail because of horrific crimes? If those people have access to free healthcare and don't contribute to society, and you pay for it, why can't you accept that you'd be doing something GOOD for someone else, who actually deserves it!
Again, let me repost this information, which you obviously ignored...
And your scare tactic of those people paying 80% of all their income on taxes is completely laughable... It is more like 40-50%, which is in the same percentile as America and it INCLUDES no worrying about getting your children, yourself, or a loved one taken care of when times are hard.
We are no. 7 on the list of longest lifespan, with France, Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, and Japan, all living longer.
They each have +/= the amount of doctors and nurses per patient...
We rank highest in healthcare cost as compared to GDP, and per capita expenditure.
We have the highest infant mortality rate of all the other 7...
We have largest % of revenue spent on health, and the least amount of healthcare cost paid by the government...
I didn't even vote for Hillary, but common sense rises above dissenting opinions..
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 3:32 PM
Disturbia - Read my comments again - I said that the 47 million figure INCLUDES illegals - but then again maybe you just read what you wanted to read...
In any case, I can only assume that Diana and yourself have no problems with Hillary's socialist agenda. I don't believe for one second that her health plan won't include those who already have health insurance. In 1992 she wanted a full-scale overhaul of the entire healthcare system by eliminating insurance companies and FORCING EVERYONE under the government controlled system.
I doubt that this so-called "revised" plan will be any different, regardless of what she says.
You also must remember that socialized healthcare systems are very expensive for ALL TAXPAYERS and as I've said before, countries with socialized medicine pay as much as 80% of their salaries in total taxes, the bulk of which is for healthcare and related services.
So, either way, you pay the Piper, but by paying it to the government, because the government is so wasteful, you will end up eventually paying much more than you would pay otherwise, through a private insurer.
Why? Because there's no competition in any government program or project.
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me, that if Hillary Care is ever implemented, most of the "services" will be contracted out and believe me, it will end up being far more expensive and cumbersome than what we have now!
I don't mind the kids being treated as long as the other assistance being provided to the family is being appropriately used. I also believe that the family should be deported if they are here illegally so that their country(ies) can pay for their care or the company paying them to be here should have to pay.
Romney drops out of the race. Could Huckabee in the race or will McCain grab up all the delegates?
Great point Diana,
IF our government is going to let them be here then treat them. I don't want what they have either. And not to mention the innocent children that come with their parents and have no choice but to be here, I can't, in good conscience, believe that it's okay to let a child suffer,even if they are an illegal.
The problem with America is that most people have lost their hearts and only think with money, which is the root of all evil.
As far as the illegals getting Free Health Care ..my theory on that is : if our government is going to allow them to come into our country and do nothing about them being here...Then YES give them health care because whatever they have ...I certainly do not want to catch it.
Dianatn,
He/she didn't see it, they won't read it, they just want to slam it. I think it's great plan, especially being on of the 47 million not offered health care. My husband works 60+ hours a week and his company doesn't offer insurance because they don't have to. They have a certain number working and that excuses them from offering any type of insurance and if you have looked at the family rates on health insurance, it would take a whole weekly check a month to pay for it and then we would be homeless.
The 47 million are ILLEGALS...it's impossible to count illegals DUH....It's 47 million hard working middle class americans that don't have insurance or can't afford what company they work for offers.
Puppydinks, I am glad you are one of the fortunate ones, But I never seen someone so cold hearted. God forbid it was your children, grandchildren, parents, grandparents, that could benefit from Sen. Clinton's bill.
Once again, just go and read it THOROUGHLY before you come back on here slamming it.
You know, we are all supposed to look after our brothers and sisters but I am thinking Puppy is one that would pass by someone less fortunate and spit on them or at the least, laugh at them.
Maybe you didn't see this part of the plan:
Americans who are satisfied with the coverage they have today can keep it, while benefiting from lower premiums and higher quality.
Reducing Costs: By removing hidden taxes, stressing prevention and a focus on efficiency and modernization, the plan will improve quality and lower costs.
Strengthening Security: The plan ensures that job loss or family illnesses will never lead to a loss of coverage or exorbitant costs.
End to Unfair Health Insurance Discrimination: By creating a level-playing field of insurance rules across states and markets, the plan ensures that no American is denied coverage, refused renewal, unfairly priced out of the market, or forced to pay excessive insurance company premiums.
One more thing - Socialism usually starts with as many government controlled functions as possible, medicine being one.
Socialism can also evolve into communism or worse...
Yes Diana I do see the picture, BUT that shouldn't mean that those of us that have health insurance should be FORCED into a government system.
We should be allowed to keep what we have and only have the OPTION to go into a government controlled system. As Richard said earlier, it's mainly due to government interference that has led to the situation we now have.
Of those 47 million you mention, did you know that includes ILLEGALS?
In any case, socialized medicine may be fine for some, including those groups you mention (except for illegals), but ONLY as an OPTION and not a requirement.
My elderly mother is very pleased with Medicare and her private insurance and she should be able to keep what she has, and NOT be forced into something she neither wants or needs- and neither should anyone else who's happy with what they already have.
There are an estimated 47 million Americans without any form of healthcare this includes the middle class working who do not qualify for any type of medical health help either state or federal funded but still can not afford health care insurance.
A large part of these uninsured are Veterans men and women who have put their lives on the line for our freedom but yet we can not even give them the healthcare they need. The elderly is another big example of falling through the cracks. The elderly should never have to decide whether they need medication or food more but unfortunately many many elderly do without either food or medicine just in order to live on their small Social Security checks. If you think Medicare pays all their expenses please do think again it does not even come close.
The number of children in the US who have no health insurance whatsoever is 8.7 million.
The percent of employers who even offer healthcare in the US is 60%.
But yet our prisons are full of rapist, murderers, thieves and we not only feed them daily and provide their daily needs we GIVE them healthcare. Sounds to me like we take better care of our criminals than we do our honest hard working American Families. Something is wrong with this picture and if you don't see it, then you truly need to take those Rose colored glasses off.
Thank You, Sharon22 & Richard!
Giving the Government more control over our lives is NOT the answer-
As the U.S. continues down the path to Socialism, our greatness as the most successful form of government in the history of the world will end and once that happens there's no turning back!
Interesting that people (notably foreign leaders) from all over the world come to the U.S. for major medical treatment because when all is said and done, WE ARE THE BEST!!
Luckily I don't depend on universal healthcare, but I'd like it to be an option, for the government to protect me when the giant, money sucking insurance corporations decide not to.
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 6:37 PM
But who is going to protect us from the giant, money sucking government?
Look at the history of health care in our country. Government regulation created the system we have today. I don't think more government regulation is the answer.
I have followed the T-G blogs since the start and have found the interactions very interesting and informative, but until now not felt a need to reply. I'm not sure of the occupations of those that are pro socialized medicine, but are fairly certain they are only on the receiving end of health care and not the giving end. I have been involved in health care for 17 years and I know that we have a broken health care system, but also realize that socialized medicine will NOT fix it. I have worked at both rural and urban hospitals have not seen too many incidents where a patient was totally denied treatment, in fact due to federal laws in place ER's can not deny treatment without being seen by a healthcare professional. I take care of people each day I work that are "private pay" patients, which in most cases is code for "no pay" and therefore a charity case. The people I care for are not typically denied care dependant on the ability to pay, most care is modified due to type of health insurance a person has, which is actually more frustrating for the healthcare team. I have also seen first hand health care systems in other countries where care is provided "free", provided that 1, you can provide transportation to the provider and 2, you only want to recieve the most basic care the government provides and not allowed access to specialized care. One last comment. If socialized medicine is such a cure all, how come most medical mission work comes from the United States to underprivleged areas of the world? I don't see too many medical missions coming from other countries to provide care for our underserved population, but if you really look around many health care people in this country give of their time to free clinics to provide for our underserved population.
I don't have a problem with universal healthcare, but I don't see how it can be implemented under the current framework that we have across the govt. in general. It's not going to matter what party is in the presidential office or the congress. I personally have a problem with continuing to provide healthcare to people who are not U.S. citizens or who are not appropriately applying the assistance they already receive.
Some links regarding problems with other countries healthcare systems which may explain the reservations that some of us have who have observed the development of such systems in other countries over decades:
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healt...
http://www.imshealth.com/ims/portal/fron...
http://homepage.mac.com/macaddict4life/w...
YOUR IDEAS OF SHARING OUR HOMELANDS WITH OTHERS HAS PUT US IN THE BAD SPOTS WE ARE IN HEALTH CARE SOCIAL SECURITY FOOD STAMPS ALL THAT GOVERMENT NONSENSE IS NOTHIN BUT ANOTHER EXCUSE TO GIVE YOUR HARD EARNED AMERICAN DOLLERS TO SOME LAZY IMMAGRANT WITH TEN NAMES SO HE CAN RECIEVE MORE OF IT COMMIT CRIMES AND RUN BACK TO THIER HOMELAND LAUGHING AT AMERICANS IGNORANCE. ITS NATION FOR NATION INTERGRATION IS A JOKE IT DOESNT WORK STOP GIVING WHAT IS OURS TO OTHERS WHO ARE NOT IN NEED AND HAVE NEVER EARNED IT THATS WHY OTHER MAIN COUNTRIES DONT FACE WHAT ALL WE DO (THEY HAVE PROBLEMS IM SURE BUT [profanity removed] PEOPLE0 THEY DONT FACE WHAT WE DO BECAUSE OUR SO CALLED BELOVED GOVERMENT GIVES EVERYTHING WE GOT AWAY AMERICA IS NOT THE SAVOUIR OF THE WORLD IT CAINT EVEN SAVE ITS SELF FOR CRYING OUTLOUD STOP BRINGING IMMAGRANT HERE AND GIVING OUR RESOURCES AWAY TAKE IT BACK AMERICANS TAKE IT BACK.FIX US BEFORE YOU TRY FIXING OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE TO LAZY OR STUPID TO FIX THERE SELVES ALOT OF DEAD AMERICANS WOULDNT BE DEAD NOW IF AMERICA WOULD KEEP THIER NOSE OUTTA EVERYONE ELSES [vulgarity removed].
a man who caint salute our flag or wear our flag is running and people vote for him.i feelno pity for the pathetic souls who vote for that ignorant anti american muslim terrorist.all anyone can do is talk and never act because of being scared .and when someone does act or speak out they get labeled terrorist or supremists.[profanity removed] right i am if thats what you wanna call me for saying aint no muslim terrorist or even a ignorant liberal [vulgarity removed] like hillary going to make rules for what i can or caint do.america is still land of the free and i will be free no goverment tyrrany will control meALL THESE MUSLIMS BEING BROUGHT HERE ARE SEEDS IN A PLOT OF TERRORISM WAITING FOR THE TIME TO STRIKE AND WHEN THEY DO IT WILL BE TO LATE BECAUSE YOU AS SO CALLED AMERICANS HAVE LET THEM TAKE OVER IF YOU WERE AMERICANS YOU WOULD STOP THE TYRRANY OF THE GOVERMENT AND TAKE BACK AND KEEP WHAT IS YOURS INSTEAD OF GIVING AND HAVING TAKING AWAY FROM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.TO HELL WITH THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE TERRORIST MUSLIMS AND DEFITNITLY THOSE WHO HELP VOTE ONE IN. RON PAUL 08 PEOPLE A AMERICAN FOR AMERICANS NOT A MUSLIM WITH A HIDDEN AGENDA IN A TERROR PLOT. AND NO MR JOHN CARNEY THIS IS NOT HATE SPEECH BUT TRUTH YOU MAY DELETE THIS AND BLOCK MY NAME BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR PAPER SUPPORT THESE TERRORISTS BUT YOU CAN NOT AND WILL NOT STOP THE VOICE OF REAL AMERICANS WHO WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES AND STAND UP FOR WHAT IS THIERS.
Exactly.... People like that don't care until it effects them...
Typical, being reactive instead of proactive gets results, but you have to endure the hardships that could be avoided...
Luckily I don't depend on universal healthcare, but I'd like it to be an option, for the government to protect me when the giant, money sucking insurance corporations decide not to.
Cut out the waste and fraud in healthcare. That will be more than enough to finance the moochers out there.
-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 4:26 PM
I am not sure what you mean by "moochers" but by NO means are people that have to go to free clinics, the health department, the er or get tenn care (well not all of them) are moochers, they are the working middle class america that can't afford insurance or aren't offered it...so looks to me like you should "OPEN MOUTH AND INSERT FOOT"
God forbid you find yourself without insurance and WITH cancer or a heart condition or even the flu. Hope you find someone that cares.
"Tracy nursing home bill draws fire from consumer group". This is also a headline and if you don't have anyone in a nursing home then perhaps you don't have a clue why this is just as important a concern as the ones posted here. The government needs to address this segment of society just as much as healthcare. If Tracy has his way, then families of these seniors will have no recourse when facing some of the atrocities of some long-term care facilities unless some other bill is mandated to provide quality care without families having to sue.
Yet, some of you continue to believe that the offfice of the president is the end-all and that these other elected officials have no influence on policy. I still believe that the president is only one person who cannot control everything and that we need to be just as concerned about who we elect into government whether it be at the local,state, or federal levels. Afterall, many presidential candidates started out in hometown elections.
Cut out the waste and fraud in healthcare. That will be more than enough to finance the moochers out there.
"It is evident from some of the comments here that they lacking in higher brain function."
Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 3:04 PM
I agree and their names are PUPPYDINKS (yeah, okay), Chef Boy R.D.( go make some ravioli and quit putting down those of us that actually CARE about people) and road runner (shouldn't you be outrunning the coyote in the desert?)
How many people here in America DIE of simple and curable causes such as pnuemonia because they can't even afford to go to the doctor and wait in line? How many children die in this counrty because they have no access to treatments needed, how many times have YOU contributed to numerous fundraisers for children with cancer in our own community because their parents don't have the insurance to get them the treatment they need? Healthcare should be a RIGHT, not a privelege for the few that can afford it. Noone should be allowed to lay in bed and die when they can be saved, but that seems to be what Puppydinks, the good ole Chef and Roadrunner want...
and TENN CARE is a JOKE...if you even make 6 dollars over what you should, then they tell you to A. Quit your job and find a lower paying one or B. stop working overtime. Those programs only help MOSTLY minorities and immigrants so get real on that subject. They would rather have you in total poverty than working to help yourself and just needing some insurance. You would be shocked at the companies that have very few employees that don't offer any insurance help at all.
We are no. 7 on the list of longest lifespan, with France, Canada, the UK, Germany, Australia, and Japan, all living longer.
They each have +/= the amount of doctors and nurses per patient...
We rank highest in healthcare cost as compared to GDP, and per capita expenditure.
We have the highest infant mortality rate of all the other 7...
We have largest % of revenue spent on health, and the least amount of healthcare cost paid by the government...
I didn't even vote for Hillary, but common sense rises above dissenting opinions..
Chef Boy R.D., puppydinks, and roadrunner...
Have you ever been to those countries and had to wait in a line? Have you ever receieved a prescription from there? Do you even know what you are talking about? I have done more than watched "Sicko" which essentially sums it up better than I can.. I have researched this issue, to no end.
The results are staggering. The people in some of those countries, actually live longer, happier lives. They pay higher taxes, but atleast they know where the tax money is being spent. What you don't mention is that in a few of those countries, you are REQUIRED to take a MINIMUM of FIVE weeks off of work every year. Yeah, that's required... and you are compensated for it. In America you would be fired for that.
The reason you people are afraid of socialized healthcare is perhaps a very good logic. You know exactly how erroneously your government allocates its tax dollars, you know we borrow 3 billion dollars a day, just to finance our global empire, and we are up to hear ears in debt. You, presumably understand that the people you eleceted 8 years ago, have all but ruined our finances, ruined our stances in the world, and we as individuals have be the receiver of those unfortunate events. So yes, government mandated healthcare can be horrible, if you have a government like we've had trying to finance it. Lastly, I am not quite sure if Hillary is going to force government healthcare on people who willingly pay thousands of dollars for it, sometimes to no avail... She is, however, offering relief for those who aren't fortunate enough to afford it.
It is evident from some of the comments here that they lacking in higher brain function. Let '04 go to some countries with socialized medicine and try it out. If you survive the wait. Any time tax dollars are involved, you can rest assured of waste and fraud, no matter who is in the White House.
Seems to me that the "progressives" here may be much more satisfied living in Great Britain, Sweden, the Netherlands and other such countries with socialized medicine.
Sweden and the Netherlands pay upwards of 80% of their incomes in taxes for their "Nanny".
Hey- try Canada, the drugs are cheaper, IF you can get to the doctor for a prescription. Of course, the Canadians who can afford it, come to the good old USA for surgery, because of the months & months of waiting in Canada. For those who don't have the bucks to do that, they just have to deal with the wait...and some of them DIE waiting!!
So tell me folks, why not offer "universal" healthcare to those who don't have private health insurance and those who already have health insurance, leave them alone?
Why should those who are perfectly happy with their current insurance plan be FORCED into a government controlled plan?
Why the push for socialized medicine? We already have Medicare and Medicaid, so why not concentrate on getting the uninsured on those or similar programs?
The vast majority of people already have satisfactory health insurance coverage. Government sponsored healthcare can be offered to those who either can't get private insurance or don't want it.
Heaven help us all if another Chilton gets in office. After about one year you won't be able to find anyone that voted for her.
Healthcare will be a joke!!!!
HALLELUJAH DARRICK!!! GREAT COMMENT AND NOTHING FURTHER NEEDS TO BE ADDED...YOU AMAZE ME!!
Hey puppydinks... Well, if my taxes are going to increase, because my government is involved in illegal wars, if my taxes are going to increase because the federal deficit is so bad, it'll take more than three generations to pay it off... if my taxes are going to increase because of petty pork barrel spending, and other meaningless congressional expenditures, and I have no say in it... then yeah i'm pissed. But HEAVEN forbid, we actually be our brothers keepers, and help insure those who aren't nearly as fortunate, as say you and I? Heaven forbid, we be a great nation again, and actually understand the word "UNITED".. You speak of this UNITED country that you love, yet you and your respective party only seek to divide it further and further.
I don't mind privatized healthcare, like I currently don't use often but do have... But profits shouldn't come at the expesne of sick Americans, and if you can sleep at night, with the fact that 50,000,000 are uninsured, 100,000,000 more are insured but get jerked around and denied by those insurance companies, and only worry about yourself, then that's fine. Your conscience and mine are two very different things, mine will rest easy knowing, I contributed to the well being of individuals in my OWN COUNTRY, not the never ending resourcecs being allocated to third world countries that don't even appreciate it...
Socialism, isn't always bad... If you only knew the things that our government socialize already... You'd understand!
Richard, you have no control over which insurance company your employer has now so I am not sure why it would matter if your employer wanted you to use another plan or not.
Now if I am reading this plan correctly:
When you are working then your premiums would be taken out of your pay in the form of a tax..if eligible you would be given this amount back in the form of a tax credit. So she is saying if you get this tax credit and do not pay your insurance tax if you are self employed or unemployed you will be penalized ..Which I agree with.. if the government gives you money in a tax credit to purchase this insurance and you fail to do so then you Should be penalized.
Before you complain so much about Hillary's Health Care Plan try reading about it
-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 6, 2008, at 1:21 PM
Here are a couple of concerns I have after reading about it:
"Americans who are satisfied with the coverage they have today can keep it, while benefiting from lower premiums and higher quality."
If a public healthcare plan becomes avaliable, why would employers continue to offer coverage? Wouldn't they just drop their current healthcare benefits, making everyone have to use this government plan.
"Individuals: will be required to get and keep insurance in a system where insurance is affordable and accessible."
How would they enforce this? Would they penalize people who don't keep health insurance? If so, what would the penalty be?
Instead of believing what you HEAR..try watching "Sicko" and get a real eyeopener on the sorry state of medical care in this once great nation. It's a joke and I will openly welcome anyone that can fix it.
I, personally, wouldn't mind a few dollars being taken out of my check to help people that need medical care, most definently the elderly and children. NOONE should be denied medical attention and noone should be treated any less because they can't afford it. We all deserve the best medicine has to offer, no matter your financial situation, but sadly in America, noone wants to help the poor and the sick, the elderly and the young.
It's people like puppydinks that are so selfish and afraid of change, that have screwed this country up beyond repair.
Here's another idea, click on Diana's link to the health care proposal and READ it, sounds like a good and fair plan. And will help those that may not be fortunate enough to obtain insurance. What does it say about America, when thousands of people have to travel to foreign countries to get affordable health care? Just makes us an even bigger joke than we already are.
You say "Be very careful for what you wish for because it might come true!!"
I say " Be careful who you vote for ..you may get something you would Never wish for"
Mr.Bush was part of the Satanic cult known as the Skull and Bones., once known as the Brotherhood of Death.
The America we KNEW and loved ceased to exist the day Mr.Bush was elected President. The America we have now needs to cease to exist and needs to be rebuilt. That will, I fear, take more than 8 years of ANY president.
Montel Williams who I admire greatly, is very much against Hillary Care. He has traveled to countries that have Socialized medicine and says that the ability we now have to go to our choice of physicians at any time and choice medical plans, will be controlled by Government "gatekeepers".
THEY will be the ones who will determine who gets to see a doctor or have medical tests or surgery. Plus it won't be cheaper, it will be a "tax" that will continue to rise and baby you'll be stuck with it forever!! You won't have the option to "switch" to something else!
Be very careful for what you wish for because it might come true!!
Well, Mr. Darrick, if Hillary becomes president, I fear that America will cease to exist as we know it!!
Remember, she was a member of the Communist Party when she was in college!!
Before you complain so much about Hillary's Health Care Plan try reading about it
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/he...
and in reality aren't your wages garnished by health care premiums now? How would this be different except maybe cheaper and all Americans would have healthcare.
A dark place is where the country has been for the last 8 years, the previous 8 years were much better....
A dark place is where this country will go if the senator from New York goes on. I watched the debate last week with "Barry" Obama and it was frightining. A Clinton white house will force socialized medicine on us and polarize our government as never before. Be sure this is what you want before you vote this fall. Sometimes what you wish for is not what you really need.
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The LDS Church is politically neutral. We are not taught or even hinted to vote in block, not even in the least.
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Thom, devan, jaxspike, Dianatn, myself and others...
Thanks! Part of 30,000 really smart people in Tennessee! If people quit saying, "well I like Ron Paul, but he doesn't have a chance" and actually vote for him, he may actually win. Everyone who thinks like that, is the basic reason nobody knows about him.
Wartrace, Unionville, and Flat Creek seem to have the most educated voters... HAHA! I live in one of those cities :)
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Feb 5, 2008, at 10:31 PM
So do I Darrick, and despite our recent exchanges on Ron Paul issues, I voted for him also. After finishing my "homework" on Paul I decided that he was the best choice after all. Your passion on this issue might have had something to do with it too.
Hillary gave a speech the other day (4th) and said that in order to implement "Universal" healthcare (i.e. Socialized medicine), EVERYONE's wages would be garnished.
That, effectively FORCES people into this so-called healthcare system she wants. Of course, she and members of Congress would be exempt!!
I live in Wartrace and so I am one of the Ron Paul votes. LOL!
I am really disappointed in my home state of Tennessee. You church people are so leming like, that you are no different then the Mormons voting in block for Romns. You have no minds of your own, only what your pastor is telling you to do. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. The highest wage earners in Tennessee are US that work for Federal Government jobs at Arnold AFB, Fort Campbell, Fort Knox and Oak Ridge. THE BASE JOBS DRIVE THE ECONOMY IN THE SOUTH. MCCAIN MADE THOSE JOBS. Remember that when the unemployment comes to a county near you.
Some may have been early voters, Diana -- we've pointed that out in some of our stories, and even did a poll about the fact that early voting puts you at risk of voting for someone who has left the race by Election Day.
But some people may have intentionally voted for an inactive candidate even though they knew he had dropped out of active campaigning.
On the Republican side, the delegate slate for each candidate was listed on the ballot. There were some people who said they were going to vote for Fred Thompson regardless, either to make a statement in support of Thompson's policies or because they wanted to send Thompson's particular slate of delegates (which included some of the state's most prominent Republicans) to the GOP convention.
There was one year that Paul Tsongas dropped out of the Democratic primary race but later, frustrated at the way things were going, got back in. John Edwards had the chance to take his name off of some northern primary ballot and specifically decided not to do so. Perhaps he was keeping his options open.
Yes, Diana, I believe most were. 69 or Thompson's 89 votes were early votes. I'd say the other 20 were from either uninformed or bitter voters aiming to make a point. It's going to be tough to have to choose between what will be two terrible candidates in November. God help this Country over the next few years, we will need it!
were they maybe absentee or early voters?
Yeah, Disturbia, we live in the most technologically advanced nation, and we can't even take inactive voters off the ballot.. How pathetic... But Carney wrote about it in one of his columns or something!
Wartrace, Unionville, and Flat Creek seem to have the most educated voters... HAHA! I live in one of those cities :)
uh yeah, I would like to know who the people are wasting their votes voting for INACTIVE candidates. That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Yeah, sadly less than 200 Bedfordcountians have a clue!!!! How awesome huh? Ron Paul, is still the only honest, genuine, and consistent candidate to grace the stage, yet receive so little attention.. Oh, the irony!
Well, there are six other people in Bell Buckle that seem to give a crap about our country. Sadly though, Huckabee seems to be what most of this county wants. So it looks like Clinton and Clinton-lite are the victors here.