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 A crowd of immigrants awaits entry into the state employment office at 7:15 a.m. Monday. Police officers were standing within and around the immigrants to keep order. (T-G Photo by David Melson [Click to enlarge] [Order this photo] |
But personnel at the state employment office say they must accept job applications from everyone who shows up, no matter where they are from.
Concerns have once again risen in Shelbyville about immigrants and refugees coming to Bedford County to apply for jobs at the Tyson Foods poultry plant.
Law enforcement were called out early Monday to quell a disturbance at the state unemployment office downtown after about 150 people, including a large number of refugees and others brought from Nashville by various charitable organizations, began cutting in line for the coveted jobs.
But readers of the Times-Gazette and others in the community have expressed anger that the jobs are being taken by large groups of foreign nationals instead of local people.
County mayor Eugene Ray said Tuesday that he "didn't feel real good" about refugees taking jobs that could be filled by local residents.
"We've got people that lost their jobs in plants here like Summit, Sanford and all the other places and I would like to see people here locally have an opportunity for the jobs first."
Ray said that the political refugees should apply for jobs in the areas where they are from, which would be Nashville in this case.
"I know jobs attract people from a lot of places, but I'd like to see our people locally get these jobs first," Ray said, adding that if companies can find local workers, it would be unnecessary to hire from other labor pools.
Moving from Egypt
On Tuesday, Shahdi Michael, an organizer from the St. Mina Coptic Orthodox Church in Nashville, stopped by the police department to gather information about how to find housing for 50 families, mostly immigrants from Egypt, who will be working at the Tyson plant.
"The problem is that they just came from Egypt and they don't have any credit history and I'm looking for an apartment complex where that is not required," he said. An officer with the Shelbyville Police Department suggested Davis Estates, where many refugees from Somalia lived last year.
Michael said he was sent by Father Boutros Boutros to find out what Shelbyville is like, places to shop, the situation with the economy, and what other job options were available if they find themselves without employment with Tyson Foods.
Father Boutros said Wednesday that the Egyptians were not refugees, but legal immigrants that were admitted to this country through a lottery visa.
According to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Diversity Lottery (DV) Program makes 55,000 immigrant visas available through a lottery to people who come from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States.
Other information requested by Michael was about the crime rate, and what public transportation is available, since the refugees do not currently have vehicles.
"It's going to be hard for these families, but if Tyson is just a mile and a half away, they can get bicycles," Michael said
Other questions were asked concerning the county's educational system, the location of the public library, and the number of banks.
"They don't know anything about the states, so they're starting from scratch," Michael said of the families. "Father Boutros asked me to come down to find out what we can tell these families about this town."
List causes problems
Major Jan Phillips of the Shelbyville Police said that a group of people have been waiting since Sunday afternoon to put in applications for Tyson Foods. Police had been informed the day before that a "pretty large group" would be there.
Phillips assigned an officer to the employment office early Monday, but a second officer was sent when the crowd became "more irate."
The problem appeared to stem from a worker with World Relief who made up a list of who was to be accepted first for applications and was issuing numbers, Phillips said, but the refugees who had stayed overnight became angry about the newcomers who were brought from Nashville that morning breaking into the line.
"There was some controversy ... some said the list wasn't fair, not done properly and he took it upon himself to do that," Phillips said of the World Relief official.
After employment managers contacted their supervisors in Nashville about the situation, "they felt the best thing to do was accept applications from everyone," Phillips said.
The sheriff's department and Tennessee Highway Patrol were called in to join city police and display "a show of force to calm the situation so we wouldn't have problems," Phillips said.
Locals started it
However, the resettlement director for World Relief said Tuesday that it was local residents who jumped to the front of the line at the employment office, not refugees and immigrants.
Nathan Kinser stated that Tyson in Shelbyville is one of the few places in Tennessee that is hiring in the sluggish job market and that World Relief only transported 25 refugees to Shelbyville, although other groups brought others here as well.
Kinser attributed the negative reaction by local residents to the refugees as "miseducation and misunderstanding" about the refugees, whom he described as legal immigrants who are just like everybody else looking for a job.
He stated that many people believe the refugees are illegal immigrants because they speak a different language.
Kinser said refugees are brought to Shelbyville for the jobs as openings occur and Tyson hires them "because they are hard workers."
A van from World Relief stayed with the refugees to take them where they need to go, Kinser said, and they slept on the sidewalk overnight in their wait for the jobs, he said.
The refugees apply for many jobs in Nashville as well as Shelbyville and with the economy in the dumps, the lines at the employment offices are longer, Kinser said.
The refugees have been forced out their countries and are just trying to make a life for themselves in America, he added.
"They're here and they have as much rights to a job as everyone else," Kinser said.
Can't discriminate
Lynda Reed with the Tennessee Department of Labor and Workforce Development in Shelbyville said her office took 112 applications from the immigrants who lined up over the weekend for the jobs.
Tyson had requested 100 referrals for jobs at the poultry plant this week, Reed said.
Gary Mickelson, director of media relations with Tyson Foods, said the company accepts applications through the state employment office and the qualified applicants are sent to Tyson for consideration.
He added that the applications were taken to fill jobs left vacant by "normal attrition."
He also said that Tyson Foods was not aware of any Egyptians coming to work for the company in Shelbyville.
"The exact number of people they need to hire would depend on their turnover rate," Reed said. Last week, Tyson asked for 25 referrals and Monday's request from Tyson was the largest Reed has seen "and will take care of all their referrals for this month."
Ray told county commissioners Tuesday night that Tyson tells the local employment office about its hiring needs -- but that office is a state agency, and relays the information to the state, which is how out-of-town applicants hear about the vacancies.
Those who were left here Sunday afternoon slept in front of the building, with some walking to a nearby convenience store to use the rest room, Reed said.
James Cupp, of the employment office, said they have had long lines before. The main problem was with communications, Cupp said, with so many different languages spoken by the refugees and immigrants.
Once order was restored, "things went smoothly after that," Cupp said.
However, equal opportunity laws prevent the office from discriminating against those who come here to apply for jobs.
"If you or I want to go to Nashville to apply for jobs, we can," Cupp said. "Tyson has even expressed to us they would like to hire locally, but I don't know a legal way around that."
Cupp said that Tyson Foods has not been causing the problems, "but you have this World Relief organization in Nashville ... it is their mission to help people find jobs, people like immigrants that are displaced like Somalians, people from Burma, Egypt ...they go where the jobs are and they are willing to move."
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Tyson's is not hiring locally anyways we would be better off if they moved somewhere else.They are the ones bringing in all the problems.
These people need to stay in Nashville or go back where they are from. Shelbyville is full!!!
Local people should be upset . . . they are the ones who live here and need jobs and why should these outside groups from different cities think they should get preferential treatment or be first in line. The quality if life in this town seems to keep going down each year and this is just one of the many factors that has caused it. I know it definitely changed the quality of Davis Estates.
I guess Tyson's doesn't understand about being a productive member of the community that allows it to exist and operate here. If local citizens aren't good enough to work in their facility then we as citizens should consider them not good enough to buy their products and I don't and haven't for years.
shelbyville is it me or are we ready for change its time to get rid of our county and city leaders and get some who can fix the problems we are having. 1st we need to attract buisnesses that want to hire legal local workers. i belive the mayor and the county mayor have failed us and if we all just sit back and let it happen then we are to blame. ive called everyone i can and they all want to pass the blame to the next in line well that needs to stop today we need leaders who will take responabilty and lead not duck behind there doors. so lets all come together as a city and stop this now. and if we dont stop it now then we will be to blame think about your children and think about your families my child goes to school at eakin and he is only one of a few in his class that speaks english now how is he gonna get a decent education? he's not. so lets do this if your tired of these politics call me 9317356143 my name is andy and im ready to fight for change. our city government is doing nothing to stop the flow of jobs leaving our city and they are doing nothing to stop the flow of refugees and illegals from taking the jobs we already have. its time for change its time to join together screw republican screw democrate cause if you remeber the old united we stand divided we fall and it is tru shelbyville used to be a great place to live and raise your children and now it's like living in hell lets get a petition together and get rid of these leaders cause that is the first step towards change again if your interested in chaging this city call me so we can get petions together to remove these greedy pigs from office
BTW . . . here is the email address of Father Boutros Boutros from St. Mina Coptic Orthodox Church who is part of one these organizations that aids in bringing these individuals to Shelbyville. Make sure and express your opinions and concerns with their practices and let them know you dont approve(in a civilized way).
Father Boutros Boutros - frbbah@aol.com
Here is the Nashville contact email for World Relief also - menashville@wr.org
Let them know of your concerns and frustrations!
Why didnt the outreach get them jobs in Nashville. H**l is going to end up breakin loose in Shelbyville and I cant blame the residents for whatever they do. They have worked hard to build homes for there familys and payed taxes only to get a slap in the face. My heart goes out to the hardworkers of Shelbyville.
If Tyson Foods wanted to hire locally then they would not contact World Relief they would put an ad in Shelbyville's newspaper like many other employers do.. they do not have to use Employment Services in Shelbyville..they can hire straight from their plant.
When I was a child and Uniroyal was in full swing, I recall that most of the people working for Uniroyal lived in the Mill village. The company provided housing, a school, a little community store, churches, a skating rink and much more. If Tyson is so intent on continually bringing immigrants into this city, and the Federal Government wants to pay them to come here, Then I suggest that Tyson's and the Federal government partner together to buy out that community, provide their workers with everything they need, confine them to that area and leave the rest of us alone. I won't eat their chicken, because frankly, I don't want anyone who wipes their butt with their bare left hand handling my food or anything else for that matter. Many of these people have probably refused vaccinations that would prohibit them from carrying TB, and other infectious diseases that America has worked hard to eradicate over the years. I also wonder how much of the trillion dollar stimulus package that my children and grandchildren will have to work to repay will go into these people's pockets? Certainly if they work and get a W-2 they will receive the same amount of money the American citizens receive. People who wanted change had better hold on tight, I believe we're in for the roller coaster ride of our lives!
I have lived in Shelbyville since I was a child. I used to love living here and thought there was no place better. We as citizens have got to do something NOW or our way of life will be lost. No one in Bedford County should rent to them. If they have no place to live that may help a little. Not to mention that they trash any place they live. I'm with Andy, Something has to give!
in the garden . . . I know several people who would have never thought about working at Tysons but due to job loss and lack of other places hiring, they were forced to apply to Tysons because they needed a job and I am sure there are many people in the same boat here. So this argument that they can not find local citizens to hire has no more merit now.
I am really tiring of your negative perception of the people of this town and it is probably good that someone of your some what limited and negative mindset doesnt live here anymore. I guess it is easy to pass judgment when you aren't the one experiencing it first hand or dealing with the impact. If you hate the town so much and its people then why do you continue to come to the local newspaper and peruse its pages?
in the garden is probably someone from World Relief
I personally would not want to work at tyson but im sure there are people in Shelbyville that will do anything for a little bit of income right now. The economy is in really bad shape and more people are going to lose thier jobs. It's not the city governments job to take care of the immigration problem in Shelbyville but the companies that are hiring them to work there need to realize that the people that live here really need the work, and hire those from bedford county first. That would solve a lot of our problems.
People that are on unemployment have to go through the unemployment office also, correct??? Has the unemployment office not sent these people collecting benefits down there? I know it's not easy to get a job in this town. I know of someone who got laid off from a local business due to the business closing. W/no education except a GED and by the next week had another job. Also, another one that lost a job due to lay offs, found another in a nearby town. Is Tyson the only company that has job openings in Bedford County? I can't say that everyone that is unemployed doesn't want to work, but from what "I'VE" seen most of the people that are unemployed in Bedford County have been that way for a while. Tyson has been hiring immigrants for many many years now. This is nothing new with that company. As a company owner, I want to hire hard working individuals. I don't care what race they are. Isn't there some law that you can't be discriminated because of race, sex, religion? I would really like to know how many immigrants are receiving unemployment benefits? To my knowledge most(not all)come here looking for a better life. Most(not all)want to work. It's a dog eat dog world. Nothing is fair. But what can you do?
Amen. Haven't seen many locals lined up to get a job EVER in Bedford County.. Anyone receiving un-employment benefits should be forced to chase chickens around these barns awhile. I bet this debate would end rather quickly.
I used to think I'd never leave this little town. I loved it so much...I almost hate to stay here now. I understand Tyson's has to take applications from everyone, but why can't they give the locals the first jobs and if there are jobs left over, hire immigrants? I hate to say it, but I wish they'd move Tyson's to Mexico so we could be rid of most of the problems those they import to work there. They don't want to hire locals anyway, what would we lose?
if we could get one of them ragheads to run for commissioner or mayor or possibly give mr. cupps job to a cameljockey, i bet we would find a legal way around it. if tyson doesnt hire anyone local-how are we benifiting from tyson's being in shelbyville? the immigrants send 99% of their money home anyways
Just as a little test: How many of you "locals" even knew Tyson Foods was hiring? Have any of you been told by Tyson Foods recently they were not hiring at this time? Did the people that worked there even know there was job openings?
If the local people do not know that Tyson is hiring how are they suppose to apply?
shelbyville is it me or are we ready for change its time to get rid of our county and city leaders and get some who can fix the problems we are having. 1st we need to attract buisnesses that want to hire legal local workers. i belive the mayor and the county mayor have failed us and if we all just sit back and let it happen then we are to blame. ive called everyone i can and they all want to pass the blame to the next in line well that needs to stop today we need leaders who will take responabilty and lead not duck behind there doors. so lets all come together as a city and stop this now. and if we dont stop it now then we will be to blame think about your children and think about your families my child goes to school at eakin and he is only one of a few in his class that speaks english now how is he gonna get a decent education? he's not. so lets do this if your tired of these politics call me 9317356143 my name is andy and im ready to fight for change. our city government is doing nothing to stop the flow of jobs leaving our city and they are doing nothing to stop the flow of refugees and illegals from taking the jobs we already have. its time for change its time to join together screw republican screw democrate cause if you remeber the old united we stand divided we fall and it is tru shelbyville used to be a great place to live and raise your children and now it's like living in hell lets get a petition together and get rid of these leaders cause that is the first step towards change again if your interested in chaging this city call me so we can get petions together to remove these greedy pigs from office
Army recruiters, are you getting this?
EVERY DAY I SEE IN THE COMMENTS HERE .. NOTHING BUT YOU ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS AN THAT !!!!!!! BUT YOU DON'T DO!!!!! ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING!!!! YOU SIT THERE ON YOUR BUTT AN DO NOTHING BUT COMPLAIN!!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING!!!
My husband has had applications in for 6 weeks at any place in Shelbyville that gives out paychecks. Thank God I have a good job or we wouldn't have anywhere to live. He told those folks at the EO he would take anything...he was told no one was hiring, he said 'Not even Tyson?" and they told him "No".
Tyson will not hire local people because they do not get a government kick-back. They hired illegals until they got into trouble!! Tyson should have been run out of town then and our officials should be bending over backwards to get and keep decent jobs. I'm tired of getting behind stinking Tyson's trucks full of dead chickens. Take a good look next time...just from the back crates I counted 6 obviously dead chickens last time I got behind one. They might say they don't process them, but I would bet on it. I always know when Tyson picks up because there are always dead chickens on the sides of the roads, or in the middle of it. I don't and will not buy Tyson products. Dried beans, rice and stuff from my garden and livestock pen will do me just fine.
So World (Reach) Out (and strip a community of its resources), take your load of legals and find somewhere else to take them. Our schools can't handle your overload of non-English speaking children, our roads can't handle your drivers who don't have enough experience (or insurance), our people don't have anything left to give. We have been stripped of jobs, our roads are not as safe as they once were, and our markets have become unbearable. I get up to go to Kroger and Wal-Mart at 5:00 am. If I give the reasons why, I will be labeled racist, or not culturally sensitive.
How campy.
I grew up in Shelbyville. But it breaks my heart when I visit and see the conditions. When the Scudder mansion was destroyed, that was the end.
So sad to see and no more Tyson's chicken will my family buy.
Marguerite Crigler Morrison
The population of the Nashville area is 36 times the size of Shelbyville.
Unless they were VERY SPECIFICALLY asked to, why would anyone drag a bus load of people 60 miles south to our town ???
SOOOO...... WHO IS ASKING THEM TO BE BROUGHT HERE ???
Those that have applied for a job at Tyson or filed an application to accept Any Available job through the Unemployment office, and has not recieved a job, or been called, need to file a "Discrimination Charge" against Tyson and the Unemployment office. And make sure it gets on the news, so Americans can be aware that this is going on.
Geesh, Tarra, don't you get hoarse with all that "yelling"? Chill out and try to present your arguments in a calm, logical manner.
Terra,
If you do not like the complaining then dont read the comments since you know so much how do you suppose anyone can stop this its been going on for years. Get a life and leave us to our complaining, ha.
Why couldn't the EO accept applications, and the locals hire each other? We all know who we are. Stonewalling practiced over a period of time is very effective.
in the garden,
You need to get out of the garden and back to reality and see what is going on around you. They choose to live in low income because they are the only ones that will allow 20 people to live in one house. They could take some of the money that they send back home and but a nice home oh but see they go back home when they have to start paying taxes. If you love em so much you hire them to help you out in the garden.
dianatn, you are right. i know for a fact that world relief has an inside contact at tyson's and the so-called "REFUGEE'S" (i like to call them leaches) get first and i mean FIRST DIBS AT ANY JOB POSITION TYSON IS HIRING FOR!!!!! they also find out about the positions days ahead of time. maybe since the egyptians are here ; they will probably start building pyramid's and ain't no telling what else. IT IS TIME FOR SHELBYVILLE TO WAKE UP AND STOP IGNORING WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND US.
"SHAKE AND BAKE"
They are trying to blame local citizens for the police having to be called in. That's funny becaue the story that ran Monday Feb 9th, this is what it stated: "Sheriff Randall Boyce said they were called to stop the refugees from cutting line and pushing and shoving." So is the unemployment office calling our Sheriff a liar??
In the garden:
Do you know what is so hilarious about your comments...you call us "you people", but didn't you come from here?? You call us "you people" like we are from some strange land, but wasn't you born here?? You say we like to just sit on the internet boards and cry all day, but aren't you posting messages too?? You look down on this town, and the citizens of this town, but yet you still continue to read our paper. Do you miss us that bad??
MoMmYoF2bOyZ
Naw.. You know that can't be right because Locals don't apply to Tyson Foods so why would locals be in line and get upset over this? :>)
Dianatn:
I am sure that you are right because, since we are American if we try to apply for a job at Tyson, we are told they are not hiring. Imagine that.......
Moreover, discrediting my very valid points by saying I'm somehow in on this is equally retarded. Posted by in the garden on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 3:47 PM
We may live in Shelbyville Tennessee but we are smart enough to know: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...It's a duck!
mommy of 2 boys:
do you notice "in the garden" has replied back to every comment someone has left them but yet we sit on the computer all day and their surprised we know how to turn on a computer im surprised they got out of the garden long enough to go buy a computer (haha)!! seems to me like they really miss "us Shelbyville people" LOL na its just someone who likes to argue im guessing.
If they want to bus them somewhere, I say take them to join our military and fight for our country and let some of our soldiers come home. I am sure they would prefer to work at Tyson's and get to go home to their families at night. The people that come to our country seem to want all the benefits and freedoms that they think we have, but don't volunteer to fight them along side us!! That would be a perfect job for them as far as I am concerned, then bring them back here and they will have earned the right to call this country home!
Our town is yet again in the national spotlight - and not in a good way, thanks to this current issue with Tyson and immigration.
Our city and county "officials" are attemtping to attract more jobs to this county. Corporations that are looking to expand have people who research new locations THOROUGHLY. How do we look now?
Here is but one interesting link:
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpres...
I think Mr. Kinser needs to mind his own business. We have enough locals in Bedford County looking for work. We don't need a bunch of immigrants to come take our jobs. And contrary to Mr. Kinser's poorly educated assumption, I am NOT miseducated or misinformed. I am well aware of the devastating implications immigration is having on this country. I do not agree with lottery visas and never have. Our nation is over-populated as it is, and we have no business adding to the problem. I think all lottery visa that have not been converted to naturalization status should be recalled. Ship them back and let them apply the old fashion way. That would take a great burden off of our struggling nation.
You go there titansfan that is a great idea,if they want to be an American then they have to pay to be here just like us.
WE THE PEOPLE MUST DEMAND E-Verify stays in the Stimulus package. It could save--SAVE--American taxpayers Hundreds of billions of dollars in social services.
Construction of the border fence by itself, will never be the ultimate deterrent from stopping illegal alien crossing into our sovereign nation. It must start with paramount inescapable issue itself? Which is the predatory employers who exploit this illegal workforce. Until we mandate the E-verify system of verification of those individuals who have a right to work and denying work to those here without federal authority The onslaught of poverty stricken escapees from foreign nations will be perpetual and be a continue drain of billions of dollars on taxpayers.
Baucus, a powerful Senator from Montana, is trying to KILL the provision in the Stimulus bill that safeguards AMERICAN JOBS. HE is the leader to slaughter this law in the Senate to remove the E-Verify Law that removes illegal aliens from the workplace
ISN'T THIS STIMULUS BILL SUPPOSED TO GENERATE WORK FOR AMERICANS, NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO BROKE OUR LAWS?
Bombard pro-illegal alien, anti-American sovereignty corrupt politicians with your angry faxes and calls
Baucus Office, Washington D.C.
(202) 224-2651(Office)
(202) 224-9412 (Fax)
Washington Switchboard at 202-224-3121. for your Senator or Congressman.
Look at the picture. Do you call that a line? No wonder there was pushing and shoving. Who ever was organizing this should have had an orderly single line formed. Doesn't Tysons hire immigrants because the gov't pays half their wages for a certain period of time? That way Tysons is getting really cheap help. If they hired locals they would have to pay at least minimum wage. We have a lot invested in our homes, family and friends here and I am ashamed to bring out of town friends and family here to see what has become of Shelbyville. I guess we are just not ready to live like the Mexicans, Somalians, and illegals do. We take pride in our homes, yards, familys and town. So much has been spent fixing the square and getting in new restaurants and shopping, but drive down Madison St, Depot St, and several others and look at the mess. Someone tell us what we need to do and we will all help to alleviate this disgracful scene.
The Unites States is insane. These Egyptian men are probably almost ALL Muslim. What part of "stupidity" does this nation NOT understand. Anyone who allows all of these people who practice a religion calling for the extermination of those who do not practice the religion has to be absolutely, completely stark-raving mad.
If Tyson's would move out of Shelbyville Most of Shelbyville's problems would go with them. Maybe if they would leave our city maybe our city would appeal to some of the other industries and Shelbyville would once again be a decent place to live & raise a family.
mommy_of_an_angel :
My thoughts exactly! =)
This is to Andy. I do understand how you feel but it is not our local elects fault. As bad as I would like to agree with you it is the higher ups that lay down the rules when it come to a problem like we have here. I did not vote for all that we elected. As long as we have people that make money off from them being here it want change. Like renting by the head not by the week. One Dr. that is well known to want only refugees because they charge more to our own gov. This DR. also wants all the babies born here as possible to inlarge business. So do you see that it is not the mayor or other elects fault alone. I would like for them to load all the boats they can and give them enough fuel to get them half way back to their country and see where the ocean took them. I pray that things do not get worse, but its coming.
in the garden
I do believe what the people on this board is saying that America needs to start taking care of its own before we let other countries come here and take jobs that we need right now. When we have taken care of the poor and starving people of this country then we can help others that are here legally and not asking for a hand out like they are entitled to something and want us to adapt to their way of life. I have no problems with people coming here and want to practice their way of life but don't expect us Americans to change ours!!!
How about a reverse lottery??????? REVERSE there asses back to where they came from,and send the agency helping them back with them.
I am by no means a racist person. I have a huge problem with immigrants that come here and take jobs that our citizens should occupy. We have stretched ourselves thin in this country trying to apply food, housing, and other assistance for immigrants. I pay for those services with my tax money. I should have the right to say how those services are used. I think the government should charter a greyhound bus and fill it to the rim next Monday when Tyson takes more applications. Maybe, people should start bycotting chicken produced by Tyson. I've already started along with 20 of my coworkers.
In the garden- Considering the fact that you quite obviously feel so mentally superior to all of the people in you home town, I would think that you would know better than to use the word "retarded" as an insult.
It's quite offensive to many people, regardless of their race or nationality. It seems to me that any intelligent adult should know better.
in the garden . . . you breed as much ignorance as the ones you decry about on this website. Sure, there are some comments that are tacky and uncalled for on this post and others which definitely doesn't help the debate but that doesn't invalidate the comments and feelings of others. I figured if you were as smart as you claim to be you would see that but evidently your capacity for learning wasn't that great.
I have not lived here my whole live plus I am fairly well educated and yet I still see the hypocrisy of your comments and see the validity of many of the comments on this post. Again, your arguments and accusations about the people of this town and the situation at hand lacks any credibility when you aren't here experiencing it first hand or dealing with the consequences of those actions. But hey, it is not like you are actually going to answer any real questions or engage anyone in any real debate that doesn't contain name calling or stereotypes.
Mr. Kinsers contact info is listed below.
http://www.bwoc.org/
info@churchattheglobe.com
160 8th Ave North
Nashville, TN 37203
Office: 615-371-1000 (Bethel Brentwood)
I am tired of my long posts as many of you may be as well.
Let me surmise my concerns regarding this current situation with two words.
CIVIL WAR.
In The Garden:
Again, you are not interpretting some of our cheif complaints, you no longer live here, you do not understand what we are seeing everyday. We are loosing our jobs so fast, this town is dying, the ones here that still have jobs, they are fighting tooth and nail to keep them, again this town is dying. However when an American local attempts to apply for a job at Tyson Foods, we are advised that there is not one, however we get a "slap in the face" upon reading the paper and discovering that these jobs were being reserved for Immigrants. They are coming from cities the size of Nashville, and are close to places like Franklin, instead they are coming to Shelbyville and "cut throating" locals out of a fair chance at a job. Surely there is some part of you that understands our frustration???
This is my opinion... its nothing more than GREED!! Greed makes the world go round. Its quite evident that the powers that be at tysons in Arkansas could careless about our problems here.....its all about the money. To this day i have never understood how Tyson's won that lawsuit accusing them of hiring illegal mexicans...when i worked their i worked beside them everyday many of them told me this, many of them told me there real names, if its not true then those people lied to me , but they would have no reason to lie to me. I considered myself friends with a lot of them,but I guess i was dreaming these things so i guess it wasn't true:) I do know a GOOD KIND man committed suicide because of that drama...i'm not going to speculate on the reason....but ..well i'll just leave that alone....but how did they win the Case.
If the right thing would have happend back then, I can gurantee you that we would not be having this problem now. Whats happening here is happening all over the United States....i personally think its to late to reverse whats going on...because of the personal greed of some indivduals we have destroyed ourselves from within. There is no telling how many terrorist are here now in the United States...you can't tell me that there are none here, do you think these people care about the United States.
Here is one way of looking at this whole situation.
You work hard to season a steak your liking, then grill it and bake a potato and take your plate out to the deck to eat. Remembering your tea glass, you go back inside to get it. When you return outside, a squirrel has your steak and potato. Knowing that the squirrel has a family to feed you decide to just forget the steak and make a burger. You once again work hard getting the meat seasoned to your liking then you cook it and some fries. You go inside to get ketchup for your fries and when you come back out, a crow has gotten your burger and fries. You know the crow has a family also so you decide that you will be happy with a bologna and cheese sandwich with chips. You work hard getting the sandwich made like you like it and put your plate down to get more ice for your tea. When you turn around your cat has your sandwich and your dog has eaten your chips. Now, you have worked hard all day preparing meal after meal and the only thing you have to show for it is the cheese wrapper, bologna skin ring, and a bunch of dirty dishes.
This situation is similar. We, the working class, work hard to be able to have things such as food, shelter, and clothing. We do not begrudge anyone the same. All we ask is that you pull your own weight and EARN what you get. Immigrants that came through Ellis Island from the "Old Country" came here to start a new life. Most of the time they left everything behind and some even changed their names to "start over". BUT they all worked hard and struggled to get EVERYTHING they needed. No hand outs but hand ups. The government programs that are in place to HELP people are well intended. My problem isn't people that use these programs to help them get over a difficult period in their life but with the people that make these programs their life. They make little to no effort to help themselves. I don't care if you are red, blue, green, purple, black, white or indigo, you need to pay your way and earn your keep.
hey inthegarden , i have an idea ; how about you go to one of these "REFUGEE COUNTRIES" and help them as much as you want . i bet you support P.E.T.A. AND ALL THE OTHER LEFT WING SOCIALISTIC LIBERALS. you and people like you spread more hate and discontent among society more than us who try to take care of our own families.
Yet another example of what I am talking about.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29147091/?gt...
I especially like the part about her NBC interview (the last paragraph) and that her PUBLICIST couldn't be reached for comment. There has to be a village somewhere missing their idiot.
I heard on one of the talk shows her medical bills for having these last eight and their after care will be well over 1 million dollars. Of course the hospital and doctors are looking to Medi-Cal for payment. California is broke and writing IOU's now so just how are they planning on paying this woman's bills? Let me give you a clue STIMULUS
This would be hilarious if it were not true....
I don't live in Shelbyville anymore so let me get this straight:
1) Locals go to the EO and are told no one is hiring
2) Tyson then puts in a request for 100 applications
3) Busload of fresh faced Egyptians show up the morning of application as if by magic (hey we were just passing through....)
At some point, the city is going to have to use the leverage it does have. Maybe a spot building inspection. Maybe random truck manifest checks. Work on the local power poles that cuts off power for a few hours...or days.
C'mon guys MAN UP. If you're in a leadership position then LEAD.
People of Bedford and surrounding counties.Have we not learned from the recent economic problems that WE have the power to make them change!! It takes just one snowflake to start an avalanche.....so here it goes.
http://www.t-g.com/story/1500980.html
I know that everyone that reads this has E-mail. I want everyone to take the above http highlight it and right click it click copy. Go to your email. Pick 5 people that you know will pass this on. Tell them the other side of the story. On your E-mail right click again and press paste. Let them know how we feel as a community and that we will protest all chicken products from TYSON until the Management agrees to hiring people from their own "pool" that is their community not bringing immigrants from other places that have to live homeless on our streets. We need to show force in numbers and the only way to show them is in their BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!
The irony here is that ALL of those who think the locals must be hired first, are also the same people who are planning to boycott Tyson and believe whole-heartedly that they are trying to ruin Bedford County. Then explain why it is you would want locals signing up for a company that you plan to put out of business..
All I can say is... this country WOULDN'T EXIST if it weren't for illegal immigrants taking over, just ask the Native Americans... The first form of illegal immigrants to ever lay foot on American soil were white men from Europe.
Just funny how history repeats itself and those who practice exclusion rather than inclusion always seem to just be a matter of history rather than any sort of world power today.
I hate to argue with darrick but the first white man were not illegal. Nobody owned the countries, the Native Americans came from Europe and Asia too.
I don't know about you but I am not a immigrant. I was born in the United States of America as was my parents, grand parents and my great grand parents. I have worked and paid taxes in this great land for the better part of my adult life as did my ancestors. My father and my grand father and my great grand father fought in wars to keep your butt free. So do not even go there saying they have as much right to be here and use the same resources as Americans do because they do not. I am sick of supporting immigrants and illegals with my taxes who walk into this country thinking I owe them because they come from a country they have destroyed with their violence, when my fellow Americans struggle to live. It is one thing to help those who are less fortunate but it is completely different to take from my neighbor to give to someone who has never done one thing for this country except bad mouth us.
You may be carrying a different tune when immigrants are doing YOUR job for $6.00 an hour. Driving our economy into the ground worse than it is now.
But don't worry we can continue to leave the door open and allow every immigrant who wishes to walk into the United States free passage and the United States will be in the same shape as the country these immigrants are trying to flee from...
REPEAT.....
CIVIL WAR.....
Someone please explain to me how Tyson is benefiting the citizens. It is apparent they have no concern for the residents and paying decent living wages. Another fine example of big corporate greed. Shame on you Tyson.
Any native born kids here in town come down yet with TB from the Somalies ?
Or any of the other fun diseases they came with ??
I wonder what new diseases this latest batch with drag in with them.
WHEN THE HELL ARE THOSE IN POWER HERE GONNA WAKE UP ??
Must be a money thing, an epidemic garners more Fed funds that not allowing one to start.
First of all we are not here illegally!! secondly; we just escaped from the terrorism in our countries!! so don't think that only you are suffering!! we would back to our homeland countries rather than begging and straggling for a dirty job if our countries are off fight!! please jump over those racial feelings, we are in 2009!!
I was born in shelbyville and still have many relatives in the area.. I now live in Michigan and have been trying to follow the "Tyson story"
It seems as though Tyson is set on hiring these people from other countries no matter who or what anyone says, and they will have there way,it is their company, i just know as far as tyson sales in stores, and places like KFC.. people around here are noticing the dedication Tyson is showing the American worker..and as far as sales of Tyson products here... they might as well move their headquarters to Egypt,israil,somalia,pakistan or where ever.. because American workers will only take so many excuses for not hiring American workers. Good Luck Shelbyville we're behind you.
Someone in this article is not being very truthful. I know for a FACT that there were people waiting in line at the employment office as early as 10:30pm Sunday night for these applications. The van loads of Egyptians showed up at around daylight and they did attempt to force themselves in line ahead of those who had been waiting all night. The very same thing happened the previous Monday, only it was Somalians attempting to push themselves in line ahead of those who had waited all night. The Egyptians showing up the way they did was obviously a coordinated effort between Tyson Foods, and the agencies that provided transportation. To believe otherwise is rediculous! Now it appears that we will have to provide housing for 50 more families who can't read our road signs, understand our language or customs, and have already shown that they are downright rude.
I live in Wisconsin and I don't buy anything from Tyson. What stunned me was that all KFC is Tyson chicken.
What should we do, with peanut paste, and people who wipe in a cup, can we run away from germs. We have to remember each and every time, we touch anything that has been touched by someone, we will always be touched. Regardless.
This situation is similar. We, the working class, work hard to be able to have things such as food, shelter, and clothing. We do not begrudge anyone the same. All we ask is that you pull your own weight and EARN what you get. Immigrants that came through Ellis Island from the "Old Country" came here to start a new life. Most of the time they left everything behind and some even changed their names to "start over". BUT they all worked hard and struggled to get EVERYTHING they needed. No hand outs but hand ups. The government programs that are in place to HELP people are well intended. My problem isn't people that use these programs to help them get over a difficult period in their life but with the people that make these programs their life. They make little to no effort to help themselves. I don't care if you are red, blue, green, purple, black, white or indigo, you need to pay your way and earn your keep.
-- Posted by Bamadoc72 on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 8:39 PM
The only problem with that is, the government will not assist you when you are struggling. These programs,albeit designed for the purpose of helping people get back on their feet, have turned into a complete way of life for alot of people, costing those of us who work hard and pay our taxes a massive amount of money that even we cannot utilize during rough times. Not to mention the fact that I have to undergo random drug testing to keep my job and their are no requirements like that to receive government assistance. So I will go to work just so others can sit back, watch tv, visit with family and wait on that next check to come in and their EBT card to be reloaded.
darrick_04 . . . do you really read the comments you make and think about what you say. The reason why people would boycott Tyson is that the only way you can influence a company to change their ways is to hit them where it hurts and that happens to be profits. While I doubt Tysons will ever change their ways it doesn't hurt to at least let them know that their hiring practices are very misguided and not beneficial to this community and that the we disapprove of their actions. What is wrong with that? I figure someone of your "supposed knowledge" would understand that theory but yet again you prove your intelligence definitely has limitations that are bound to your own limited views.
Also, the first immigrants to North America were the Native Americans themselves . . . it is believed that the first Native Americans arrived during the last ice-age, approximately 20,000 - 30,000 years ago through a land-bridge across the Bering Sound, from northeastern Siberia into Alaska. So Asians were the first to immigrate to North America. Maybe you should know your history and geography better before belittling others. ;-)
Ignorance is why racism still exists today. I am disgusted by the mayor's statement. That is the most insensitive comment I have ever encountered. The United States of America is known as land of the promise. These people are not "illegal immigrants". They are "refuges". Any educated American would know the difference. Please study the facts before making riculous remarks.
"Kinser said refugees are brought to Shelbyville for the jobs as openings occur and Tyson hires them "because they are hard workers." "
Is this statement in itself racial profiling? Tyson is hiring people of a different race "because they are hard workers." Does this statement and practice suggest that all other races are not hard workers? Should Tyson be on trial for discrimination?
SEND THESE FOREIGNERS BACK TO THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY CAME FROM. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF US CITIZENS WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK AT TYSONS. I FOR ONE.TYSON SHOULD HIRE AMERICANS OR GET OUT OF SHELBYVILLE. THESE EGYPTIANS AND SOMALIS WILL COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST AMERICANS AND LAUGH ABOUT IT.
In the garden,
You are saying something about others leaving comments and sitting around on the computer all day your not real smart yourself considering you have left 3 to 4 comments yourself and because we do not agree with you we are racist. Tell ya what why dont you let some of them live with you. What about all the people who died in 911 while you talk about these poor souls living in such a bad country we have our own problems. Most people are just stating you come to America then live by our ways if you dont want to go home.
I just heard from an inside source from Tysons that they give the orentations in nine different languages and the man who gives them speaks all nine but doesn't speak english.
Maybe someone needs to file a lawsuit for discriminating against hiring locals that might would wake them up.
WOW!!!! So much anger!!!
Understandably so..I for one am planning on relocating. Shelbyville has nothing more to offer me. Sorry Shelbyville, you were a sweet little town a few years ago.
Maybe if the leaders of this town took note on how many more are leaving, they may figure out no one will be spending their money here either.
Oh that's right. World Outreach will help, silly me, I forgot...
I didn't read through all the comments bc I just don't have that kind of time right now, but I did read a few. First, as I have stated MANY times already, there are Legal Americans both black and white that work at Tyson's, my spouse being one of them. My spouse works in the plant with plenty of American workers, so there again if Tyson's was to leave there would be even MORE Amiercan workers out of work, why would some of you wish that on your fellow Americans just bc they don't hire all Americans?
I do not agree with the hiring of the refugees, but that is their choice. Also, am I the only one that read that the World Relief calls Tyson on Fridays to see if they are going to be taking applications on the following Monday? If that is the case, can't the Americans call too?
Most, not all, but most companies that hire through the UE office usually do not run ads in the paper bc there is no need to, especially in times like this. Someone I know, knew about Tyson accepting applications at the UE office a few weeks ago, so word does get out some how to the Americans and this guy did not get the information from my spouse.
I don't think anyone ever said there wasn't Americans working at Tyson Foods but most of the Americans there have been there for years and years and Tyson Foods just hasn't come up with a reason to get rid of them yet.
Shouldn't the Americans that went to the EO office over the coarse of the past few weeks be called for a job before these immigrants was given a job. I was always under the impression once you put your application in the EO they were suppose to contact you about job openings?
I just heard from an inside source from Tysons that they give the orentations in nine different languages and the man who gives them speaks all nine but doesn't speak english.
-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 8:35 AM
That is interesting bc the person that conducted my spouses orientation conducted all the other employees in the groups orientation, with a variety of races being hispanic, somalians, white, and black. My spouse only speaks english. I would also like to add that in the orientation the majority were Americans in the group, by the time the week long orientation was complete there were only 2 Americans left bc the other Americans stopped showing up. I am by no means taking up for the refugees, but they seem to be willing to do the work that some un-employed Americans won't do, regardless of if it's fair to the American workers or not.
I don't think anyone ever said there wasn't Americans working at Tyson Foods but most of the Americans there have been there for years and years and Tyson Foods just hasn't come up with a reason to get rid of them yet.
Shouldn't the Americans that went to the EO office over the coarse of the past few weeks be called for a job before these immigrants was given a job. I was always under the impression once you put your application in the EO they were suppose to contact you about job openings?
-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 10:13 AM
My spouse has only been there 2 months. I realize that no one has said that there are not American workers at Tyson's. My quote was, "My spouse works in the plant with plenty of American workers, so there again if Tyson's was to leave there would be even MORE Amiercan workers out of work, why would some of you wish that on your fellow Americans just bc they don't hire all Americans?" Do some of you really want them out of business so bad that you are willing to risk your fellow Americans loosing their jobs? I thought you were fighting for American jobs? A boycott or running them out of town is only going to hurt more American workers and the refugess will just go take a different American job else where, possibly here in Shelbyville.
If I'm not mistaken, which I may be, it is up to the person drawing UE or applying to the UE office to check on jobs weekly. I wouldn't think that it is the UE office's responsibility to contact you for a job. If someone needs a job, I would think they would be calling or going to the UE office weekly instead of relying on someone else to do the work for them. And yes I agree that the Americans should be priority over the refugees from other towns, but I can't honestly give a reason as to why the UE office would send over the refugees applications and not the Americans. You would think that they (the UE office) would send over a variety as to not be sued for discrimination, regardless to what Tyson's is asking for.
>>>If I'm not mistaken, which I may be, it is up to the person drawing UE or applying to the UE office to check on jobs weekly<<<<
Actually people drawing unemployment call in their information now. And if it is not Employment Services job to contact people who have applied to them for a job, then what is their job? I haven't been in an employment services office in years but I know they "use" to send out cards when there was a job available to people who had applied to them for employment. Do they not do that any more?
Tyson's need to hire LEGAL Shelbyville citizens first, then legal immigrants. All illegals need to get out of here!
There is more to it than just the jobs, our school system is overpopulated with children, (More books, supplies, furniture, portables, teachers possibly) and some that need extra help with language. Our Welfare dept. is probably overpopulated with more imigrants and refugees on the welfare system. And I bet none of them is being reported on the Census Status to varify How many people are living in Shelbyville. Our city/county gets so much money for the population that is living in our town. Shelbyville is not that big, the jobs are more scarce here, the economy in America is in horrible shape right now. I do not say this as to discriminate against anyone, and I am not saying we should not have any immigrants or refugees, but I feel their should be a (LIMIT) as to how many Non-Ameircan citizens, immigrants, or refugees that can be brought to a city, state, work place, schools, and the United States of America depending on the Economy status of that place in the first place. I feel that the mayor, city, and county officials that we elect to run our city and county should be able to have a right to put a limit on "How many" Tyson or any other company are aloud to hire persons of Non-American citizenship status (for a Govt. check) into thier company especially at a time when our local citizens are having to go out of town themselves to look for work, that is just common sense.
Winslowpa
I would like to enlighten my ignorance from your obvious wealth of itelligence by asking why Egyptians qualify as being classified "refugees". To my knowlege there are no war torn conditions in that country at this time, and because of their vast wealth, they are not experiencing famine, or natural disasters. I would also like to question your calling our black mayor a "racist". I hope Mr. Ray reads that comment. I'm really interested to know how he would respond to being pegged a "racist".
Actually people drawing unemployment call in their information now. And if it is not Employment Services job to contact people who have applied to them for a job, then what is their job? I haven't been in an employment services office in years but I know they "use" to send out cards when there was a job available to people who had applied to them for employment. Do they not do that any more?
-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 10:50 AM
I am not sure bc I haven't been in the UE office in years either. *knock on wood* I know when I did go there back in 1997 it was my responsibility to check with them if I wanted to find a job and I did have to call in to the automated thing weekly, but that was just for the UE benefits. The first day I applied for the benefits I was giving cards to places that were hiring and told to go to those places, but after that day I had no contact with anyone at the UE office other than the automated service, but that was over 10 years ago.
I think the UE offices job is to be there and assist you with applying for UE benefits and applying for the positions that they have open. It's not their responsibilty to call "Sam" every time that have an opening that "Sam" is suited for. I've been in a position where we had a waiting list. Those that stayed "in my face" got called, those that waited for me to do the work for them are probably still at home. I'm sure the UE office sees enough people daily to not have to make phone calls.
Many THNAKS Mayor Eugene Ray for stepping up to bat for BEDFORD COUINTIANS that are in despreate need of JOBS. We need more leaders to take the bull by the horns and hang on for America. It's not to late YET.
GOD BLESS YOU for that decision you made.
If Tyson Foods wanted to hire locally then they would not contact World Relief they would put an ad in Shelbyville's newspaper like many other employers do.. they do not have to use Employment Services in Shelbyville..they can hire straight from their plant.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Feb 11, 2009, at 11:44 AM
Yes Tyson can only accept applications from the unemployment office. Remember that "little" federal trouble they got into a few years ago about hiring undocumented workers? They weasled thier way out of a huge fine by only accepting applications through the state agency.
Dianatn:
Okay so here is your answer, bc unfortuantely I am on UE, I was laid-off on January 22 from National Pen, I was in the call center, as a customer service rep. The UE office no longer sends out these cards, bc there is such a high UE rate, they do not havce the time to keep up with the extra paper. It is very frustrating to me, because I have searched Shelbyville with a fine tooth comb for a job, with zero luck. Since I have two small boys it is so hard to go outside of Bedford county to work, you would think that the UE office would do more for us to get a job. However, National Pen had an UE seminar for the 100 folks they laid off, and the TN Dept of Workforce had a speaker come, and they told us they would help us w/ schooling, sounds awesome huh?? When I started checking into certain classes, I found that the out-of-pocket expense would be all mine, but since I do not have a job, how would I pay for this??
People get a life. If you hate Tyson so much, then stop buying meats all together (chicken, beef, pork, sandwich meats, hot dogs, bacon, sausage, seafood, eggs............)at the grocery story, kill your own animals. Stop buying pet food products, feed you pets the meat from the animals you killed. Also don't buy anything that contains corn, soy or any other grain that is grown. Tyson has a hand in that too. Grow your own vegetables. Good luck finding any fertilizer for your garden that Tyson didn't have some part of. And guess what else, Tyson is currently building a Hugh plant that will make alternative gasoline. So soon you will have to stop buying gasoline I guess you will go back to the old days with horse and buggy. Shelbyville needs to get off their butts and stop complaining and Thank God we have a company in town that is still hiring and not laying off, trying to help our Economy by letting people WORK!!!
Those who arrived here via World Relief are, according to Joe Pascal, NOT Egyptian citizens. They are refugees from other countries in Africa that made their way to Egypt and were for some reason brought here.
WHO THE HELL IS RUNNING OUR GOVERNMENT ??
Obamasesssss
The federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly benefit of $1,890.00
plus a monthly socail security benefit of $580.00.
A grand total of $2,470.00 wow!
Interestingling enough a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years can only recieve a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in an old age pension. WTF????????
Egypt didn't want them either?
Many of us have worked at Tyson's over the years. Then many of us moved on when we found a better paying job, with better benefits. Tyson's has and always will be an employee of so called refugees. In the early 70's it was the boat peple or Laotians from Laos. As they left for greener pastures and better paying jobs, in comes all the others. Latins,Somalians, and now Eygptians.
Anyone who has ever worked at Tysons knows what goes on there. It's not a pretty sight. And I'm not talking about all the dead chickens. They are the most racial plant in Shelbyville. The line supervisors are also the most racist in Tennessee. Myself, I really have no problem with who a man or woman is married to. As long as it does not marr their vision. You have blacks married to whites, white married to Mexicans, whites married to Somalians. On and on it goes. But before you jump me, I make this comment for a purpose.
Years ago you had whites and blacks working together at Tysons, side by side, and working in harmony. Everyone pretty much got along with each other and those who didn't, just stayed away from each other. Then when Tysons started bring in illeagals to replace other workers, war stated brewing there. Now if a white person wears something that offends one of the many other races or if a black man does the same, it is the American that is 9 out of 10 times fired, for causing trouble.
The Somalians have been given privileges that the American do not have. That would be the religion card for those who care. They are allowed to urinate in the bathroom floors and nothing is said. The illeagal Latin men come in here and marry our young women by picking out the ones they think no one else wants, thus being allowed to stay here legally, because by then the wife has had a baby. Now we face the influx of yet another nations rejects.
While the United States is opening her arms to everyone to relocate here for a better way of life, the ones who were born and raised here are suffering more each day. Go to the DHS office. I have, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. But I was denied any help because we own a small home and are both on SS and we have a car and a truck. Yet while I have sat there in the DHS waiting room, I watched as one after another so called refugee or illeagal comes out, smiling and thanking the workers there for helping them. Go to the Health Department. Sit there and wait and wait for a simple flu shot, while woman after pregnant woman from other countries recieve free health care. I dare you to go to any drug store in town and stand back and watch to see how many of these "refugees" pay for medicine out of their own pockets. Most all of them pay with TennCare. Which thousnads of sick and elderly were cut off of. While you are at these places, watch as one after another elderly American is told they have too much to quilfy for assitance.
Tyson's is always going to hire whoever will work the cheapest. That is why so many of the ones in corporate positions live high on the hog. Pardon my pon. Drive by the homes of all these refugees. 3 out of 4 of them are trashy and smelly. Yea, maybe they are willing to live 20 to a house. Why must we, who have worked our whole lives to have something, be penaliized for that? As Americans, we have had all of our shots before we entered school. By letting all these people in with their families, we run the risk of outbreaks of things like measles, even more outbreaks of HIV and no telling whatelse.
I feel sorry for the people who live in these countries. But if our own country continues to bring in all the sick and homeless from every other country, I fear that we will end up in the same mess they are in. More and more Americans are living on the streets while more and more refugees are learning how to work the government to benefit them. Tysons talks about not discriminating against all of the immigrants. How about what they are doing to the people who have been born and raised here. Tyson does discrimminate everyday. Only it is against the American born people, not the refugees and illegals. It's time Tyson's answers for all the wrong they are doing and have done in the past.
inthegarden - (n) - idiot, (v), to be clueless; lost.
Thank you Mr Webster for your definition of libel (lI-b>l),
There is just one small thing missing from your definition though in order to claim libel it must be an untruth.
So are you claiming you know more than the very people who live in this town? The people who see this everyday that are forced to live among these immigrants? I guess you also know more than people who work for Tyson Foods and see what is happening right before their eyes...yes I know many people who work there they have been there for years and their stories are all the same. Maybe you also know more than the unemployed of Shelbyville that have been to the employment office only to be told Tyson Foods was not hiring when in fact they were hiring, just not their race? I guess you also know how these "refugees" live, more than the people who rent to them?
Actually the only person I see that the word Libel pertains to is you, in the garden. You come in here and called people racist and bigots and uneducated when you have no idea who any of these people are...
The ball is in your court, in the garden!!!
dianatn,
Heh I know who this person is, call me sometime.
in the garden,
Failing? It's grown to over 7000 percent in the past year. I have expanding into three other states with offices there. Have two software releases coming within the next 6 months and I am failing. Pretty bold statement for someone that is incognito and told to leave Shelbyville.
WHAT AN INSULT TO THE PEOPLE OF SHELBYVILLE. SAYING THAT THESE FOREIGNERS ARE HARD WORKERS BUT THE PEOPLE OF SHELBYVILLE ARE NOT. OUR POLITICAL LEADERS SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. FORCE TYSON TO HIRE AMERICANS.
Describing an illegal immigrant an undocumentd worker is tantamount to describing a drug dealer as an unlicensed pharmacist.
Ok people, there comes a time when you simply have to see ignorance for what it is and just ignore it and eventually it will disappear in the stupidity that it came forth from.
So basically I am saying just ignore "in the garden" because some people will forever remain ignorant and I have a feeling this is someone who just likes to provoke because their own life is sad and pathetic so why give this person the attention that they must be craving.
I am done with that sad pathetic excuse of a human being and so should the rest of you. :-)
The line supervisors are also the most racist in Tennessee.
As Americans, we have had all of our shots before we entered school. By letting all these people in with their families, we run the risk of outbreaks of things like measles, even more outbreaks of HIV and no telling whatelse.
-- Posted by CharlotteGail on Thu, Feb 12, 2009, at 6:21 PM
CharlotteGail,
Could please elaborate on the first comment above? How long has it been since you worked at Tysons? I would like your elboration before I take offense and feel the need to comment on "the line supervisors are also the most racist in Tennessee".
As for all the Americans having to have shots before they enter school, this has bothered me A LOT since having a child of my own, now it's not only the refugees, etc... that aren't having immunizations, it's also American children that are no longer having them either. My child has had all of her shots bc I won't take the risk, but like I said it's not just the refugees that could infect us, it's some American families too. I don't agree with this at all, but just like everything else, we have our government to blame.
it's about the money. tyson is not ignorant...just greedy like everyone else. this is the new shelbyville 2009.....and nashville is the mecca to deliver foreigners throughout middle tennessee for their benefits....it's only the beginning...locals.
Evil
I lost your number :>(
lucky2be
Tennessee children still must have shots to enter school. Each child in Tennessee schools must present a copy of the official State of Tennessee health record indicating which immunizations a child has had,and that a physical examination has been completed.This card may be obtained from the
Health Department or your pediatrician.
The problem here is Somalia has a very high rate of TB and HIV none of our children that attend school have these as required shots. TB was pretty much wiped out in the United States years ago but it is making a come back due to the influx of immigrants bringing the disease back into the States.
lucky2be
Tennessee children still must have shots to enter school. Each child in Tennessee schools must present a copy of the official State of Tennessee health record indicating which immunizations a child has had,and that a physical examination has been completed.This card may be obtained from the
Health Department or your pediatrician.
The problem here is Somalia has a very high rate of TB and HIV none of our children that attend school have these as required shots. TB was pretty much wiped out in the United States years ago but it is making a come back due to the influx of immigrants bringing the disease back into the States.
-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 10:31 AM
Some Americans are stating that it is for religious reasons, as the Refugees are. There are waivers that have to be signed, just like the Refugees sign that allow children to now enter most school systems without having the required immunizations.
Here's the link to the waiver.
http://tennessee.gov/education/schoolhea...
I would also like to add that I do not understand why the government would allow this. It is just a matter of time before a huge out break of some type occurs that will effect not only the unprotected refugess, but our fellow Americans as well. I do not understand not immunizing your children, unless it is a medical condition. I believe the religion "card" is being abused, as is the race card in most cases now days. When I was a child it wasn't this way.
There is Nothing discriminatory about the truth..please feel free to look up info yourself about Somalia. The information in all over the internet about the high rate of TB/HIV.
here's a couple for you
http://appablog.wordpress.com/2008/05/14...
http://www.cdc.gov/TB/EthnographicGuides...
http://www.chestjournal.org/content/119/...
HIV is a blood born disease if a child gets cut and another child comes in contact with the blood they are at risk for infection.
TB is an airborne disease it is spread through coughing or sneezing.
lucky2be, it's none of your business when I worked at Tyson's. Suffice it to say, I left for a better job and one where i was not constantly having to slap mens hands off me. Tyson's need to be held accountable for all their actions. They have cut peoples pay over the years and taken them off jobs that they had been on for years, siting the excuse that they didn't have enough education to do those jobs. Yet they did the jobs just fine up until they were taken off. And yes, I know this for a fact.
And I know for a fact how the Americans who work out in the plant, play second fiddle to the non-Americans. Tyson's got out of having to pay a lot of employees back pay, when the judge tossed out the case. But at some point, they will have to pay the piper. It really is sad to watch all the Tyson Food commercials on television, talking about family. Because Tyson's use to treat the employees like family. They had a plant picnic every year and the families had fun playing BINGO and softball. They gave away nice prizes. Now for Christmas all they get are a couple of coupons to buy some chicken. When they use to get a bonus check. But then like I said there are some there you really are, "lucky2b". aren't there?
Okay, it's blatantly obvious that in the garden isn't aware that there are more than two methods by which HIV can be transmitted. Have you ever seen a kid get a cut or scrape and need a band-aid? Apparantly, in the garden hasn't spent much time in reality at all.
charlottegail, For someone who claims they are a Christian on another comment story, you really are living it up on all the comment stories. You put your two cents worth in just to cause an uproar. The imigrants need to go back so americans can have jobs. And now, you can retalliate with the same comment you made the other day and I quote "Bedford countians can jump off a cliff". Your anger and a comment like that......you really are a Christian. (sarcasm on my part) My bad!
It's all about "GREED" Tyson has always gone about things the wrong way especially in the past 15 or so years. They will hire 2 locals & hire 10 illegals, refugees or whatever you wanna call them. I believe it was Tysons that had illegals shipped out by the bus loads a few years ago, only to be right back at work for Tysons a few days later. If Obama wants to do something he needs to cut off the flow of illegals/refugees that are overrunning our country. i wonder how leaders of their countries would feel if we flooded their borders. We would probably be shot on sight. THEY ALL NEED TO GO ! WE NEED TO HAVE A PROTEST AGAINST THIS AT THE CAPITOL BUILDING IN NASHVILLE> IT WORKS FOR EVERY OTHER GROUP COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS> WE PAY TAXES & THEY DON'T
I have hired many peaple that are locals and they were so happy to get out of Tyson for several reasons. The way I took it is that Tyson is a place to work while you are looking for a real job. Too many short cuts taken and not near enough pay for the job. And these were some of the better jobs at the plant? I don't know because I have never worked there but have heard many stories that will keep them off my list of trying to get a job at.
lucky2be, it's none of your business when I worked at Tyson's. Suffice it to say, I left for a better job and one where i was not constantly having to slap mens hands off me. Tyson's need to be held accountable for all their actions. They have cut peoples pay over the years and taken them off jobs that they had been on for years, siting the excuse that they didn't have enough education to do those jobs. Yet they did the jobs just fine up until they were taken off. And yes, I know this for a fact.
And I know for a fact how the Americans who work out in the plant, play second fiddle to the non-Americans. Tyson's got out of having to pay a lot of employees back pay, when the judge tossed out the case. But at some point, they will have to pay the piper. It really is sad to watch all the Tyson Food commercials on television, talking about family. Because Tyson's use to treat the employees like family. They had a plant picnic every year and the families had fun playing BINGO and softball. They gave away nice prizes. Now for Christmas all they get are a couple of coupons to buy some chicken. When they use to get a bonus check. But then like I said there are some there you really are, "lucky2b". aren't there?
-- Posted by CharlotteGail on Fri, Feb 13, 2009, at 6:21 PM
CharlotteGail,
You seemed to "attack" me for no valid reason. I asked how long ago you worked there bc obviously you have no idea what you are talking about regarding "the line supervisors being the most racist in Tennessee". I was looking for you to validate your ridiculous comment, since it was a very bold and inaccurate statement. You included my spouse in the garbage that you were spilling and I can tell you that my spouse does not care what race you are, as long as you do YOUR job, there are no problems. Seems to me that in a position like that, it would be hard to be racist and still hold that position considering a lot of the employees are not white. Could it be that you are the one that is truly racist?
Who cares what Tyson's used to do? With the economy like it is, most companies are doing away with bonuses, picnics, and prizes. My spouse goes to work at Tyson's everyday for a paycheck to provide for our American family, not for picnics and prizes.
As far as my screen name, yes we are "lucky2be" bc we both have jobs and in today's economy we are very LUCKY to have them, regardless as to where they are at.
I have hired many peaple that are locals and they were so happy to get out of Tyson for several reasons. The way I took it is that Tyson is a place to work while you are looking for a real job. Too many short cuts taken and not near enough pay for the job. And these were some of the better jobs at the plant? I don't know because I have never worked there but have heard many stories that will keep them off my list of trying to get a job at.
-- Posted by kahoona on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:19 AM
I'm not sure what you consider a "real" job, but to my family and many other families, Tysons is a real job. McDonald's is where you work until you get a real job. (Not attacking you, just stating my opinion) Tyson's was never on our list of places to work either, but when times get hard you do what you have to do and in our case it proved to be a great opportunity and allowed us to squash a lot of the "nasty" rumors we were always told. I have hired many ex-employees of Tyson's so I'm sure I have heard them all, but I've heard rumors about how terrible and un-fair most companies are, so it's nothing new.
Website ERROR? Why is the Front page still stuck on Feb. 11 date?
because Hiro froze time?
TSK, TSK. My bad blessed2be. I forgot to say I was white didn't I? But rest assured, I am well informed as to what goes on at Tyson's. How long has your little hubby been there? Mine's been there a long time. As has many other members of my family.Let's just drop this comment line and find something worth commenting on. Money will always win out, no matter what. By the way what kind of Christmas bonus did your husband get this year?
My question would be, why don't local people get there before the foreign hords get there. Do we see ourselves as intitled to jobs just because we live here? Can't we call the emloyment office the day before and be down there early or are we entited to lay in bed until mid morning and be mad because the early bird won out? Hey, beats me......
Black Swan
Do you think maybe it could be because locals are told they are not hiring? Did you know World Relief was bring in refugees by the bus load to get jobs no one knew existed?
And according to EO it was locals who started the fight at EO so evidently there MUST have been a few locals there on Monday morning looking for a job...of course the refugees was brought in on Sunday nite to camp out in front. But I am sure they were just riding around and decided to stop over at the EO office 65 miles away afterall it is such a well known campsite.
TSK, TSK. My bad blessed2be. I forgot to say I was white didn't I? But rest assured, I am well informed as to what goes on at Tyson's. How long has your little hubby been there? Mine's been there a long time. As has many other members of my family.Let's just drop this comment line and find something worth commenting on. Money will always win out, no matter what. By the way what kind of Christmas bonus did your husband get this year?
-- Posted by CharlotteGail on Tue, Feb 17, 2009, at 5:46 PM
I figured that you are white, which is why I stated, "Could it be that you are the one that is truly racist?" If it is such a terrible place to work and you hate Tysons so much, why is your husband still there? Could it be because it helps to pay the bills?
I thought you were both on SS?
Does it matter how long my husband has been there? I didn't think so. As far as a Christmas bonus, not that it's any of your business but, no he did not receive one. He didn't take the job for bonuses. He took the job to take care of our Family. I'm pretty positive that Tyson Foods is not the only company that did not give Christmas bonuses.
McDonald's is where you work until you get a real job.
Posted by lucky2be on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:46 AM
HELLO.....I work at McDonald's busting my tail off over 40+ hours a week. IT IS A REAL JOB, people with families and bills work there, it is not where you work til you get a real job, lucky2be, you will be continue to be lucky unless I find out who you are and I have the displeasure of serving you. I love my job, make great money, and have made a career out of it, you shouldn't come on here belittling someone's job. I get verbally abused, stuff thrown at me, and called numerous names over policies I have nothing to do with. It will be pretty sad if you lose your job and OMG heaven forbid, have to come to work at McDonald's. TO MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHER FAMILIES, McDonald's is a real job. You really should read what you type before you post it. I most likely make more than you do, and have a ball while I am at work.
McDonald's is where you work until you get a real job.
Posted by lucky2be on Mon, Feb 16, 2009, at 11:46 AM
HELLO.....I work at McDonald's busting my tail off over 40+ hours a week. IT IS A REAL JOB, people with families and bills work there, it is not where you work til you get a real job, lucky2be, you will be continue to be lucky unless I find out who you are and I have the displeasure of serving you. I love my job, make great money, and have made a career out of it, you shouldn't come on here belittling someone's job. I get verbally abused, stuff thrown at me, and called numerous names over policies I have nothing to do with. It will be pretty sad if you lose your job and OMG heaven forbid, have to come to work at McDonald's. TO MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHER FAMILIES, McDonald's is a real job. You really should read what you type before you post it. I most likely make more than you do, and have a ball while I am at work.
-- Posted by Disturbia on Wed, Feb 18, 2009, at 10:53 PM
Calm down there Disturbia. Did you read the whole post? I was not belittling your job, if that was the case I should have ATTACKED Kahoona, as she was "belittling" my spouses job at Tysons. My comment was more directed to teenagers bc most of them work at fast food places, before they get FT jobs. I believe you have a HUGE chip on your shoulder. My family is not above working in that type of environment, as one of us did last year to help make ends meets, so don't throw your attitude at me. If you have a ball at work, why come on here and complain about how the public treats you? Without people like you, there would be no McDonalds, Wendy's, etc.....
Oh and don't threaten me. I'm sure your superiors at McDoanld's would love to see their beloved EE making threats to someone and running off customers. That's a STAR employee right there, they are lucky to have you!!
This place is getting more and more pitiful all the time. I must wonder tho why some peoples remarks are considered offensive and deleted. While others such as this lucky2be person is allowed to put all of you down. It seems she is the only one who deems her comments important or her point of view. Maybe the powers that be at the Gazette know something we don't, since they seem to allow name calling and straying from the subject. lucky2be, you really do owe a lot of people on here an apology. And that is all I have to say. I suggest we all move on to another topic.
lucky2b, why would you assume to know enough about my husband and I and our income? Really lady, you need to get a life. Maybe next time you go to McDonald's, Disturbia would be happy if you introduced yourself. Or are we to assume that you think that Disturbia would actually threaten you, here in writing? Really find another subject and get over your holier than tho self.