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Flume damage at 'worst case' level

Friday, May 8, 2009

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Public Works director Mark Clanton, looking up, emerges from under Shelbyville to give officials the bad news -- about 200 feet of the city's drainage system has been severely damaged and it could get worse if more heavy rains come.
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Public Works director Mark Clanton had bad news for city officials Thursday after he emerged from underneath Shelbyville following the inspection of a collapsed stormwater flume.

"Our worst fears are realized," Clanton told Mayor Wallace Cartwright, city manager Ed Craig and others who gathered at the entrance to the flume Thursday morning.

A section of about 200 feet has been undermined by water flowing under the flume and has pushed up the metal pipe about 10 to 11 feet, Clanton said.

But that's not all. The top of the flume has also fallen in at one point and there is a three-inch hole "with water just pouring in ... it's running in like a waterfall from the top."

Water is still getting through the flume because there is currently a normal flow, channeling around both sides of the damaged area, which has been pushed up in an inverted "V," Clanton said. The area where the water is flowing is about three feet wide.

"The only question is what happens when we get a big rain event," he said. He said more water would keep undermining the flume.

Clanton also said that back pressure occurred inside the flume when the Duck River rose during this past weekend's flooding.

Major cost

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A 200-foot damage stretch is shown.
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Clanton said he had rough estimates of what the costs could be to fix the damage when the problem was first discovered this past weekend, saying to just to replace the pipe would cost in the neighborhood of $100,000 to $200,000. This cost would not include the excavation, he said.

But now that he's seen the extent of the damage underground, he's saying it "will be at least double that amount ... it's hard to really put a figure on it."

The trick is replacing the flume, Clanton said, but when excavation work is done, workers will have to find where the pipe is undermined.

"But if we keep getting rain before we get anything done, it's going to keep undermining ... the cost could be anywhere from $100,000 to astronomical," Clanton said.

"It's a major undertaking," Clanton said about repair work facing the city after he emerged from underground. He also said he believed that the underground damage stretches beneath North Main Street.

Clanton estimated from what he observed that there is 70 to 80 percent restriction of water flow in the flume.

"It's 12 foot tall by 18 foot wide and the entire bottom (of the flume) is bowed up," Clanton said.

The damage is also working its way back to one of the entrances to the flume system near the corner of Madison Street and North Brittain Street, Clanton said.

Also, the right hand side of the walls coming from Madison is "undermined" and is bowed in at least three feet, Clanton said.

Could get worse

Aside from looking underground, Clanton was keeping an eye to the skies Thursday, because the National Weather Service was calling for more rain for our area, and that would make the situation worse, Clanton said. He explained that more water flowing under the flume could buck up the pipe further.

The city is moving in an expeditious mode to fix the problem, Clanton said, to "get on this and get it fixed before it gets too far gone."

Clanton is hoping that workers will be ready to get started next week to repair the damage.

"If we get more rain, it could be too dangerous of a situation ... it could float the flume plumb out of the ground," Clanton said, adding there are still a lot of unknowns with the flume damage.

"It's major and it will go further," he told Craig and Cartwright. "If we have another flash flood, we're going to have a problem."

Clanton also told the mayor and city manager that "this is pretty much what our worse case scenario is."

He added that the city is now at a point where an engineer needs to enter the tunnel as soon as possible and inspect it, which he said was to happen today.

Clanton said the engineer is a specialist in this type of work and exact measurement will be taken of the damage and then a plan of action can be devised.

Road closed

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Another concern is traffic on North Main Street. City officials closed off about a block of the main thoroughfare that contains a number of businesses because "we were worried about the unknown," Clanton explained.

But now that they've seen the extent of the damage, no traffic at all can be allowed on the road because any vibration on the flume or near it could magnify the undermining effect.

North Main will be closed for "30 days at a minimum," Clanton said. "It's going to be a long process, it really is."

Even a closure of up to 60 days is not out of the question, he said.

The northbound Lane of North Cannon Boulevard is also closed, as is the section of North Brittain Street that was previously closed.

A number of firefighters accompanied Clanton into the flume, which had to be cleared of a great deal of logs and debris before they could enter. Firefighters were tied together at 100-foot intervals in case something went wrong, according to fire chief John Habel.


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My question is did the work that has been going on N. Brittain St. cause this colapse? Does the city ever inspect these flumes? You would think they should being that it affects a large portion of businesses and residents.

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 11:23 AM

I was thinking the same thing. I work for an utilities company and we are constantly inspecting our piping. We have an individual whose job role is specifically that. What about maintenance?

-- Posted by honda14 on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 11:32 AM

My daughter works at Rite Aid are they going to fall in a whole are they safe.

-- Posted by delepooh on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 11:45 AM

THE CITY DONT CARE THATS CAUSED FROM POOR PAVING AND IN A HURRY TO FIX STUFF.

-- Posted by i do on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 12:48 PM

I think all the foreigners and illegals caused it!

-- Posted by Par for the Course on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:02 PM

I think all the foreigners and illegals caused it!

-- Posted by Par for the Course on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:02 PM

Come to think about it you may be right!!! Do you think this is really a secret tunnel to Mexico?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:14 PM

DID THE WORK AT NORTH BRITTAIN CAUSE THE FLUME TO BECOME WATER UNDERMINED?WHY WAS WORK BEING DONE ON NORTH BRITTAIN TO BEGIN WITH?

-- Posted by grandpat on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 2:11 PM

I understand that they are inspected once a year and last inspection found no problems at all.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 2:33 PM

The cost I think will be $ 1 million PLUS $$$$

and I say just sit back and wait a year or 2 ,it might be done by then, LOL.

The city does't have a clue as what needs to be done.

I do start digging and get it done.

-- Posted by lonewolf2110 on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 2:50 PM

I think all the foreigners and illegals caused it!

-- Posted by Par for the Course on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:02 PM

Come to think about it you may be right!!! Do you think this is really a secret tunnel to Mexico?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:14 PM

More like poor engineering.... If you look at RiteAid, it is as if they are on a sink hole. Both roads are torn apart and inaccessible. I seriously don't know how it and adjacent businesses are still in one piece.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 10:17 PM

nascarfanatic

I hope you realize I wasn't being serious

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, May 9, 2009, at 12:56 AM

from the map it looks like lots of buildings are over the flumes and might be lots of trouble ahead instead of a million in repairs it might be a billion come to think when they built the flumes years ago the engineering was probably not top priority cause they didn't think what kinda modern buildings would be built over em many years later just my 2 cents

-- Posted by kitbuilder on Sat, May 9, 2009, at 6:59 PM

A good portion of the properties in the area are relatively new...I wonder if Kip Green at the Codes Dept has anything to do with this? As long as they can charge you an ambiguous tax they don't care whats done in the Good O'l Boy network. Try going thru that dept to add a deck, pool, structural changes of any signifigance....(the tax could be tolerable if they could handle their business in a more timely manner) it will drive you crazy! But for certain this dept is notorious for its sexist backwoods inbred manner of treating the community and SUPOSEDLY NOTHING IS BUILT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. What inspector missed what? How much money was waisted over how many years of effort and who is responsible for how and where things are constructed in this town?

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 5:49 PM

Or Global Warming...

-- Posted by big daddy rabbit on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 5:52 PM

big daddy rabbit

lol

-- Posted by Brett Favre on Sun, May 10, 2009, at 6:48 PM

There has been some blasting (while working on the flume) going on and I wonder if that has played a part in the problem?

-- Posted by reader_2 on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:12 AM

There has been some blasting (while working on the flume) going on and I wonder if that has played a part in the problem?

-- Posted by reader_2 on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:12 AM

Maybe all this water traveling under the culvert was caused from the work done by the city engineer 15 years ago. Drilling holes in the middle of town to drain water into the cave system probably wasn't a good idea.

-- Posted by honestabe on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:26 AM

It is my opinion that Global Warming has caused the flume to collapse.

The flume is buried in the ground, and as such sucks oxygen from the air and emits carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

I was talking with Al Gore the other day regarding this, and he expressed his concern with the flume to me.

Al said Brett, we need to save the planet, and I see this flume in Shelbyville contributing to CO 2 emissions. I said Al, how can a flume do such a thing. Al told me that well Mr. Favre I have been awarded with the Noble Prize and I know everything about everything, and also I authored the movie the inconvenient truth.

So, I asked Mr. Gore what should we do then? Al told me that what we needed to do as citizens of the United States of America was to do whatever he said regarding CO 2 emissions.

I asked Al, well this is strange, I breathe air as a person, and then I tend to exhale CO 2. Then I asked him how plants; trees, scrubs, grass grow. I told him about this little known thing that our children are no longer taught in science class in school called photosynthesis. Hey Al, I said to him plants require CO 2 to produce O 2 or oxygen. Al, had a puzzled look on his face and said shhhhhisssssssh.

It was also at this time that Al told me that he could get me a sweet deal with his cap and trade company.

If anyone gets this, email me at greenbayfan@hotmail.com

-- Posted by Brett Favre on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 10:13 PM

if they had done it right the first time. we wouldnt have this problem. shelbyville wastes money on what i call crap instead of fixing pipes and drains. i dont see y they are so upset bout having to pay so much. if they can pay for other worthless contstruction because it makes shelbyville "LOOK BEAUTIFUL" <--, then they can pay for this without having such negative comments about having to spend so much money on it.

-- Posted by Mommy_of_2_girls on Fri, May 15, 2009, at 4:48 PM


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