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Google"I don't think people realize what the survey is all about," said Alderman Scott Claxton. "When they go in and sign it, they are saying they are for it."
But that "it" is not liquor by the drink itself, he said. By signing the petition that is in the Wartrace town hall from now until Oct. 30, residents will be saying yes, they want the town to ask the state for the special exception that would allow the hotel to serve liquor by the drink.
The board voted at the last meeting to survey voting residents of the town. Joe Peters, owner of the hotel, had approached the board in February asking them to request the special exception from the state legislature to permit him to sell liquor by the drink. Brown-bagging is legal in Wartrace, but with fewer than 1,000 voters, the town cannot hold an LBD referendum.
Alderman Ed Simpson suggested the residents themselves be consulted. The board approved the idea and the survey was set out at the town hall.
Claxton said he heard that the office staff was trying to sway those coming in to sign the survey into not signing it, but Mayor Don Gallagher denies that.
"In fact," he said, "I've heard the opposite. Some people said they came and looked at it and the women made no comment. They're not supposed to comment one way or the other."
Phillip Smith, who operates the Blockade Runner between Bell Buckle and Wartrace, agrees.
"No, they were nice. There was no cold shoulder or anything like that," he said.
But Smith has other concerns. A resident of Wartrace, he was the third to sign the survey and his father, who owns property in Wartrace but lives outside city limits, soon followed.
"My dad went and signed, but I heard his name has been scratched out, but I'm not sure," said Smith. "My dad gets one legal vote since he has property in the city, so he can vote in a Wartrace election legally. That has him perturbed."
The senior Smith's name probably was discounted. According to Gallagher, the only signatures being counted on the survey are those of registered voters who actually live in Wartrace -- the signatures of those who own property there, but don't live there, don't count.
"There are 378 registered voters in Wartrace and we're taking a sample," said the mayor. "We're looking at a percentage."
"I don't care for that," said Smith.
He said his father -- and others who own property in Wartrace city limits -- have the right to vote in city elections and should have the right to sign the survey.
"What happens in city limits affects them, too," he said. "Either pro or against, it does affect them and even if they're for or against it, they should have a say."
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If you live in Wartrace and whether or not you are a registered voter you should be allowed to voice your opinion. I think the town is picking and choosing, once again.
I agree truckindaddy . . . I thought it was a petition(survey) and did not realize that those required you to be a registered voter.
Almost sounds like if your not a registered voter then they don't really care what you have to say on the matter.
They should let everyone with a Wartrace address voice their opinion via this survey. I consider myself to live in Wartrace and would really like to see the hotel succeed, but I live 3 miles down the road and can't voice my opinion on this survey. With successful establishments in our town, others will follow. Right now there is a lot of unkept buildings or businesses without class. Wet your Whistle has the right idea and if we get more establishments Wartrace could draw more visitors in. I still wonder why the Mayors wife is an alderwoman...conflict of interest.
Could you imagine being able to see a show at the Walking Horse Hotel, spend the night. Get coffee and a pastry at the Wet Your Whistle, and then spend the rest of your morning shopping with other OPEN successful businesses before getting back on I-24. Really give Bell Buckle a run for their money. If you want people to visit and spend money, they have to have a reason to visit and spend money. The sooner Wartrace realizes what a wonderful historic, tourist destination they could be, and help to encourage businesses to that end, the better.
Contryfolk are easily confused.
"Almost sounds like if your not a registered voter then they don't really care what you have to say on the matter."
if you dont bother to vote, why should you have a say in the matter?
Lazarus,
If I choose not to go to church does that still mean I'm going to hell?
tatersue,
That would be potato sue to some of us
C O U N T R Y F O L K. And I did spell check!
Almost sounds like if your not a registered voter then they don't really care what you have to say on the matter.
-- Posted by Average_Joe on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 1:46 PM
Well if you are not involved in the elective process, then you should not have a voice in the workings of the elected officials. Plain and simple, become a voter and have a say in it all.
Lazarus,
If I choose not to go to church does that still mean I'm going to hell?
-- Posted by truckindaddy on Fri, Oct 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM
Are you kidding me? If you are too lazy to register and vote in your town's political process, you have no say in the matter. That's the law, and you know what, to change that, you have to vote. Duh!
If you want more more folks to visit the hotel then why dont you get prostitutes to work the place,it would work dancing,drinking,throw in a little gambling on the side the rooms would be full..thats right lets attract all these wonderful folks to our town get their money and their TRASH... might as well have a stabbing,a shooting to go along with it...better hire some more local cops..I think Bell Buckle shows CLASS not TRASH...
The reason they require that you be a registered voter, is to one insure that the people signing the document are of legal age, and two that you are legal residents of the area under the jurisdiction of the body being petitioned. That is the easiest way to check names on the list, against the registered voter list.
tinytoes, I bet, no wait that's against the law and it might draw the wrong kind of people to Wartrace, let me rephrase that, I would hazard to guess that you are one of those people that think that no good will come from those darned kids and their fancy flying machines.
First you assume that I am not a registered voter.
Second looking at me would prove beyond a doubt I am of legal age (but thanks anyway).
Third the taxes that I pay every year by walking in that office proves my residency.
Fourth this is a small town and EVERYBODY knows everyone--Laura Gentry and Kim Curbow know everybody that walks in that office. There would be no mistakes there. It is just a tactic to keep the YES'S at a minimum.
And just a bit of info----second hand info tells me that the Chockley House once upon a time was a house of ill repute. So Wartrace has already had the HO'S and it vanished with alot of other things.
"If you want more more folks to visit the hotel then why dont you get prostitutes to work the place,it would work dancing,drinking,throw in a little gambling on the side the rooms would be full..thats right lets attract all these wonderful folks to our town get their money and their TRASH... might as well have a stabbing,a shooting to go along with it...better hire some more local cops..I think Bell Buckle shows CLASS not TRASH..."
-- Posted by tinytoes on Sat, Oct 3, 2009, at 12:09 AM
I'm sorry,... WHAT?....I think you're looking for "Pop-a-Top Again" or "The Supper Club" and you want to play the Tennessee Lottery.(You know the GOOD gambling). You can get your prostitute fix in Shebyville, they're not on street corners, just ask Jose. Si, no problem.
I think Wartace can handle itself. They can't do any worse than Shelbyville.
gtagrp; That is my point do we want a "Pop a TOP" or a "Supper Club", " BLOODY BUCKET" "KING OF CLUBS" "20 GRAND CLUB" and all the TRASH that comes with them in Wartrace...NO... call it what you want is is still a HONKY TONK..
See, there you go, we do agree on something. I too, do not want a "Honky Tonk" in Wartrace. It's a good thing $15 a ticket, $5-$7 a drink, and so on, "Weeds-out" your "Honky Tonk" clientele. If you want to "tie one on" and pick a fight for fun on a Friday night, be my guest. Your not likely to get dressed up, drive to Wartrace, pay those prices just to post bail the next morning. Are people who spend money perfect or better, of course not. Class warfare is stupid. And we are all God's children. But the target clientele of the Hotel is less likely to turn an establishment into a "Honky Tonk", or whatever evil "beer joint" everyone is so afraid of. Didn't Saint Patrick Swayze, teach us anything in Road House.
Boss Hog
LOL haven't you heard the news, we truck drivers sleep behind the wheel. And I bet you didn't sign the petition.
When I read your comments I am reminded about a saying my mother used to have...something about a butt and a hole in the ground. And by the way I am not the truck driver, my deceased father was. But I defend truckers the same way that I defend my right and others to have their opinion regardless of their voting status. And why don't you and I keep our comments on this subject and not each other's person. I am sure everyone would really appreciate that. You have a great Sunday!
Good morning all... Joe Peters here. For those of you that attended The Mystery Trip Band Concert on Friday night thank you. For those of you that didn't I'm already working on booking them again so you'll have a chance to see them. Somehow we managed to make it through the evening without a shooting, stabbing or telephone call to the police. I did at one point think our bouncer, Bruno, was going to have to rough up a little girl that dropped crumbs from her peanut butter cookie on the rosewood floor. And I believe the boys in the band kept the gambling and hookers confined to the hotel itself. Lions and tigers and bears... oh my! Don't worry tinytoes... I still love you and would like to extend a personal invitation for you to attend any musical event inside Chais Music Hall so you might better understand what we're really all about. To the rest of you... thank you so much for your opinions. Oh and Laura are Kim are great! Don't shoot the messenger. Enjoy your Sunday... Joe
You go Joe...... You Rock.....
Thats funny your ad says children not welcome funny how things change when people want something.Word in Wartrace is some new elected officials will come soon,and depending on the future some state offices may change too...
Tinytoes... to which ad are you referring? As I've previously indicated some events are available for children. I do not permit extremely young children (12 and above) simply because they can, by no fault of their own, be disruptive to others. That's not fair wouldn't you agree? Unfortunately, it is extremely difficult to please everyone. However, I do strive to find a balance that folks are comfortable whenever possible. As far as "things" changing... I've haven't changed at all. Well, maybe a few new grey hairs but I'm exactly the same. Concerning "new elected officials" I suppose that's in the hands of the voters. Personally, I can get along with anybody... including you. I just wish you would take a deep breath and be just a little more open minded.
tinytoes & truckindaddy
The cost of a dinner at the Walking Horse Hotel will exclude the type of people that frequent the Pop-A-Top, and the Supper Club, which I might add were opened as drinking establishments in the first place. I have yet to go into an Olive Garden and see a Ho, as you so eloquently put it, hanging at the bar. I have never seen a drug deal going down at the Chop House, nor the Outback Steak House. This sanctimonious tirade that you have used in the attempt to foster your opinion is just school yard trash talk. Let's hear one good reason this restaurant does not deserve to be able to compete with the dinning establishment in Shelbyville. I guess you have never been inside one of these fancy eatin places, like Chili's or Ruby Tuesday's cause they sell liquor and are corrupting the very fabric or our existence. I know every time I take my wife and children to one of these places to have a nice dinner, the entire evening is ruined from having to fight our way back to the car through all the prostitutes, and drug dealers, and poker players. Almost makes it not worth going out to eat anymore. LOL
WHOAAAAAAA Drama!
I never said one thing about being against this I am 120% for it. Like I said previously---Butt and hole in the ground.
My opinion is that those who don't vote should still have the right to sign the petition since they pay taxes and are residents of Wartrace.
The only thing school yard about this is they must have taught you how to spell.
And I really must be blind, I have never had to weed my way through ALL of the prostitutes, drug dealers and poker players when visiting any restaurant in Shelbyville.
And as for fancy eatin' places we prefer to eat at home more since we have that thar' fancy billiards table to eat from.
And you going on about never seeing drug deals or HO deals go down at such and such....I bet you don't think it happens...they don't have bill boards or business cards. I am truly amazed at your perception of life. Talk about DUH!
docudrama,
As well written as your argument may be, I don't think you are going to change any opinions. Logic and reason doesn't work on some people, and you have some people who are happy being miserable and arguing about anything. I however don't like being miserable, I like being happy. I don't like crime. I do like small business's succeeding. I do like common sense(very uncommon these days)
. I like the idea of finding a solution that will be in the best interest of the citizens and the future prosperity of Wartrace. I love Wartrace.
"Those convinced against their will, are of the same opinion still."
1st the adis in " Rutherford " mag. and YOU know it is there. Children NOT welcome for dinner. and 2nd docudrama if you would bother to find outthe facts before you respond it will keep things much clearer. the fact is the rest. in the hotel is CLOSED even Mr Peters has said this in another mag story unless he forgets it like he forgot the ad with " Children NOT welcome at dinner" so it is a whole differant ball game now ,it is not at all about having a drink with your dinner ( one must have an open rest to do this) it is about opening up a bar i e HONKY TONK. And Mr Peters I as wel as alot of other people in Wartrace ARE open minded we are just not stupid enough to let this kind 0f TRASH take over Wartrce.
Care full tinytoes, don't use all that energy hate'n on Mr. Peters, you won't have any left for Mr. Marsh. If you're going to constantly attach business owners, you have to pace yourself, spread it out a little. Don't want you getting winded. We'd have nobody to talk to.
Docudrama has a fan. LOL
tinytoes,
You forget, there is a caterer there on music nights, lest you forgot.
So apparently the ad in Rutherford Magazine was wrong and not intentional. It's not like you shop in Bedford County anyways so who cares what you think?
ouch!
Tinytoes... I'm not sure what Rutherford Magazine reported or when. I am confident it was accurate at the time. Our circumstances like millions of other business owners changed due to the economy. I'm not certain what children have to do with the topic of discussion. I can tell you that when my kids were little that they would not be going out with their mother and I to a restaurant or music venue like the Walking Horse Hotel or Chais Music Hall. In the last week you have referred to me as trash and the Walking Horse Hotel as a Honky Tonk. Yet I don't believe you know me nor have you ever dined or attended an event here. You see unlike you tinytoes, I have absolutely no problem with readers knowing exactly who I am. The point being, if you intend to criticize at least do it honorably.
Yes we have dined at the hotel a several times and have even listened to the music,as for children our children always dined with us as do our grandchildren and we have dined all over the world at places far better than yours.Believe it or not,not everyone in Bedford Co stops at the county line as if the world were flat.And the ad was very correct,as your staff turned down 2 of our friends at the last minute when they found out children would be dining with the party.I dont believe the people of Wartrace are going to allow this ,they will have the last word.
Tinytoes you don't even live in Wartrace so what's your problem? You are throwing your personal twisted viewpoint around like anyone cares what a nutt job like you has to say about a town you don't even live in! You dare to speak on hehalf of Christians and now the citizens of Wartrace... who are you? I'm not sure what you mean when you say everyone in Bedford county stops at the county line as if the world were flat. I think you need to give people a little more credit. I'm wondering what this is really all about? You act as if in some way the Walking Horse Hotel has personally attacked you. As far as your friends being turned away... get over it! You are just a hateful human being. And guess what, every restaurant and music venue is not well suited for children? Most adults enjoy an occasional evening out with other adults... without their children! And you dining all over the world at places better than the hotel says what exactly? Where you've been has nothing to do with the issue. It must be very sad to be such a bitter hag that you find it necessary to attack people for no reason. One things for sure, a Christian and a lady you definitely are not! You need to get to confession and beg for forgivness for being such a poor excuse for a human being. And if I'm not mistaken Christians sell liquor by the drink during mass. Maybe you should point some of that anger towards them... and they do it when children are present.
cantwejustgetalong: Yes we do live in Wartrace,and as long as I vote and pay taxes this subject IS my business. As far as Christians go they are doing alot of talking about this as we speak!Alcohol has never been served in any church that I have attended and I do not know any church that serves alcohol.I am not of the Catholic faith so Ido not know what they do at mass but I dont think they sell alcohol.As for my comment about people stopping at the county line,it just means that we have seen this kind of dog and pony show before and see right through it.It will bring money into Wartrace or it will attract business so we can be like Bell Buckle ha ha. Mr Peter can regulate the drinking if he can sell alcohol,it will be safer lol. He can solvethe problem now. ALLOW NO ALCOHOL PERIOD.. or the town policeman and the Tenn Highway patrol can set up roadblocks and see how many of these great people have had too much to drink! Hey thats an idea it would bring in added income to Wartrace in fines. Now as far af Mr Peters invitation to visit his establishment we have been there and done that and dont care to do it again. My late mother had a saying that works real good here." If You Lay Down With Dogs You Will Get Up With Fleas."
I also suggest that you read Bo Melsons blog on this website.about offending drunk drivers posted Oct 5 2009.and while you are reading it be sure and look at the beautiful young lady in the photograph.It Is titled"Warning Signal or Violating Rights"
Wow, never saw such a closed minded person in all of my life. You must have an awful existence. I feel sorry for you.
Yeah, you get the feeling tinytoes is so angry. I wonder where all that anger really comes from.
It's a real shame.
What harm is there in bringing revenue into Wartrace? I attended the Beatles Review last week and it was amazing. Great crowd, polite, respectful and everybody shared a wonderful night out. What could possiblhy be wrong with that? At one time Wartrace was quite the enterprising little town. Why wouldn't you want to see that again? I'll tell you why. It's because you don't own a business there and have nothing to lose. You hide behind your computer and pass judgment. The hotel is the heart of the town. Are you really that blind? You should count your blessings that someone with the passion Mr. Peters has came along. Have you ever considered what would happen to the hotel is he wasn't there? It would go back to being nothing just like it was before. Or it could have been purchased by an investor that would knock it down and build some ugly apartments in its place. How sad would that be? You are not only blind, you are clueless.
Hey Tinytoes. Here's an idea. I just heard on the news today that the government is looking for hotels and motels to house illegal aliens while they are being processed for deportation. Maybe Mr. Peters should consider the government's offer. Then he wouldn't have to put up with narrow-minded people trying to tell him how to run his business. You need to get a life!
ROFLMAO........LOL.....good one!!
Tinytoes problem is she's confusing the issue. This is not about drunk drivers or the safety of Wartrace's children. It's about a business wanting the opportunity to offer responsible adults the option of purchasing an alcoholic beverage inside his establishmnt. That's it! It has nothing to do with whether the restaurant did or didn't serve children, what Christians think or anything else. Tinytoes, could you for once just stay on the topic rather than going off to the races? I'm beginning to wonder if she's not hitting the bottle as she's typing. And tinytoes you may want to consider some anger management classes cause you are freaking out there! I've gone back and read all her ramblings and she appears to be so mad at Mr. Peters and/or the world but has nothing to contribute. Initially I was really starting to dislike her but now I'm beginning to feel sorry for her. And what church does she attend cause she apparently is not listening to the word or she wouldn't be so hateful! That lady needs to be saved... quickly!