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GoogleThe most recent attempt, engineered by the Cobb campaign, has also failed to gather the three men together.
Both Cobb and Brown agreed, but Marsh has declined to participate in the debate scheduled for Saturday.
"I said all three candidates," said T-G editor Kent Flanagan. "If we didn't get all three, we aren't going to have it."
Flanagan said Cobb and Brown could have their debate but someone else would have to moderate it.
Representatives at the Marsh campaign headquarters were asked Friday if Marsh would appear. They said no, telling the T-G that the presence of several Democratic gubernatorial candidates planned here this weekend felt like "sandbagging."
Keith Talley, communications director for the Tennessee Democractic Party, said the candidates were here for a Get Out The Vote campaign, not for the debate. He laughed when he was told Marsh would not participate in the planned debate.
"You know, they have criticized Ty Cobb for having to work and they come up with these last-minute scheduled debates in partisan town hall venues, but when we come up with a nonpartisan venue and moderator, they don't want to take part," he said. "It's very hypocritical."
The race has been hotly contested almost since the minute former representative Curt Cobb (Ty Cobb's brother) announced his resignation in late June. The district includes all of Bedford County, and parts of Lincoln and Rutherford counties.
So far, there have been at least five attempts to get the candidates together to air their views.
Before the primary, five of the six candidates -- Marsh, Brown, Bobby Scott, Casey Walters, and Joseph Byrd -- for the vacant state House seat faced each other in a candidate forum Aug. 18 at Central High School, sponsored by the Bedford County Republican Women. Cobb did not appear.
Marsh won the Aug. 27 Republican primary for the vacant 62nd District Tennessee House of Representatives seat. Unofficial vote totals had him drawing more votes than his three opponents combined. District-wide, Marsh drew 1,826 votes to Scott's 397, Walters' 348 and Byrd's 48.
Cobb was unopposed in the Democratic primary. He received 557 courtesy votes district-wide, including 332 in Bedford County.
Early in September, Marsh challenged Cobb to a debate.
"I believe that the people of Bedford, Lincoln and Rutherford counties have a right to know where the candidates stand on the issues. The best way to do that is by having a series of joint appearances throughout the district," Marsh said in a letter that his campaign said had been hand-delivered to Cobb's campaign office. "A joint forum would allow the voters to hear our ideas and plans to put people back to work."
Even then, the T-G was trying to establish a debate. Prior to the release of Marsh's press release, the newspaper had begun contacting the campaigns about their willingness to participate. A call to Cobb was returned by his campaign manager, Rolland Hughes, who told the T-G at the time that Cobb's schedule would not permit him to participate in any debates.
Brown scheduled his own forum for Sept. 21, offering a question and answer session. He said he had not been contacted about any of the debates the Democrats and Republicans were trying to arrange.
When the Webb School Young Democrats and Young Republicans organized their town hall-style question and answer forum for last Tuesday, Cobb again did not show, citing a former commitment with the Right to Life organization.
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A VOTE FOR COBB - IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA
"You know, they have criticized Ty Cobb for having to work and they come up with these last-minute scheduled debates in partisan town hall venues, but when we come up with a nonpartisan venue and moderator, they don't want to take part," he said. "It's very hypocritical."
I didn't realize that the Webb School town hall meeting was a last minute effort and that the event was partisan when it was being sponsored by both the Webb School Young Democrats and Young Republicans? Ty Cobb just didn't want to attend and rather attend something else (aka Right to Life recognition party). Also, why would someone schedule a debate so close to the end of the campaign and especially after early voting has ended? Sorry Ty but even though I voted for your brother, I have decided to vote for someone else who seems more interested in the voters and the district.
(THE GOOD OLD BOYS CANT PLAY )WE ALL NEED TO VOTE CHRIS BROWN THE OTHER TWO ARE ACTING LIKE (FITH GRADERS ON THE PLAY GROUND )
I guess Marsh will be flying by private jet to his $3000,000 beachfront condo that his staff said he didnt have or the jet that his supporters have.He will be far to busy to deal with the common folk he must be with the Country Club folk and play golf and be whisk around by private jet.
And we wonder why nothing gets done in the government. Can't agree on a darn debate that the people want/need. Pitiful! You all should be ashamed at yourselves!
Most of us are either hardshell Democrats or Republicans,but maybe we need to take a lot other ways.Chris Brown wasn't borned with a silver spoon in his mouth,he was brought up rough and he knows hard times.Is that not the kind of person that knows how to represent us?He knows what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck, he has served our country and is a VERY proud citizen.If I depended on one of the three to stand up and take my back,with word or action,it would be CHRIS BROWN! Glad to know this gentleman!
Tinytoes,
So what if he has 3,000,000 condo. So what if he has a private jet . Further, why do you care if he plays golf at the country club?
As a business owner he will still be able to earn a living even while he is in session. The same CANNOT be said of a UPS driver. Which of the two do you think will be able to devote the attention necessary to the sate without worrying about his job?
Get over your class envy.
"I guess Marsh will be flying by private jet to his $3000,000 beachfront condo that his staff said he didnt have or the jet that his supporters have.He will be far to busy to deal with the common folk he must be with the Country Club folk and play golf and be whisk around by private jet."
-- Posted by tinytoes on Fri, Oct 9, 2009, at 12:11 PM
Really, this is what you have against a candidate? Not his views, beliefs, etc. I would have more respect for you, if you came out of the closet and just said;
'I'm a liberal/Democrat, because I was raised Democrat. I don't like conservative/republicans or any of their ideas.'
While I would disagree with you, I'd still respect that as a valid stance on an issue.
I'm NOT voting for COBB, NOT because he's poor, or he's white, NOT because he goes to a different church, or that he thinks Carter was the best President ever.
I'm NOT voting for COBB because he's running for the "Robin Hood" party, (take from the rich, give to the poor) as apposed to helping the poor become richer, through achievement on their own merit, and encouraging people and business to succeed. I don't judge people by how much money they have, but I'm adult enought to know I've never been hired by a poor man.
I'm not sure if you are referring to one or both, Pat Marsh and/or Ty Cobb, being born with a silver spoon in his/their mouth. I don't know about Mr. Marsh, maybe he was, but Ty Cobb certainly was not. Ty does come from a well-known & successful family, but I can say Ty has not been given everything in life. He has worked for UPS for over 20 years. Ty does have an agreement with UPS that will allow him to serve as representative. Furthermore, I know Mr. Marsh is a successful businessman, but there are documents to prove that he has failed to pay taxes. My question is, if he can't see to it that ALL taxes are paid now without being representative, how is he going make sure his business is handled properly if he does become state representative???? Or maybe he's planning to just get those taxes swept under the rug.
Well, I can see that Chris Brown is willing to be at any of the debates and the other two keep arguing about them. He just says, give me the place and time. I'm sorry, if my buddy wasn't running I'd almost have to not vote. I'm so sick of all the criticism and all. Now they both have commercials that cost more than I make in 3 to 4 yrs. This is sooooo sad. I have family and friends living from paycheck to paycheck and barely getting by and they have the money to just blow on stupid commercials that make them look like two kids fighting on the playground. I mean 60,000 dollars for these commercials. Get real, people!!! Can't you see what is happening? I'm sorry for all of you that feel that this is okay. We are suppose to be in a economical crisis and they have money to play with when people are starving. You think if they do this now, that they are going to care about us when they do get to Nashville? I'm sorry, it's all about control and the two parties already have the control. Both men are decent men, but these parties are the ones being voted in, not the men. Wake up!!
My question for Mr. Cobb, Is his work going to get in the way of the representation that the county needs if he wins? I sure he is a nice guy, but still, even now, I'm not sure of his politics. But is he going to leave work and take a chance on loosing a good job to be in Nashville to vote on every issue that affects this area? If he can't make the two debates because of work, how can a have a warm and fuzzy about him making it to the roll call votes?
" I know Mr. Marsh is a successful businessman, but there are documents to prove that he has failed to pay taxes. My question is, if he can't see to it that ALL taxes are paid now without being representative, how is he going make sure his business is handled properly if he does become state representative???? Or maybe he's planning to just get those taxes swept under the rug."
-- Posted by oh my on Fri, Oct 9, 2009, at 3:08 PM
I do not know what Mr. Marsh has or has not done concerning taxes. All I've heard is rumor of such. That aside, I think someone who is aware of the over complicated, crippling tax code that not only burdens corporations but individuals as well, would be an asset in the House. I long for the day of a consumption or FAIR TAX.
Who to vote for -- Ty Cobb or Pat Marsh, in the District 62 state House race?
It's a hard choice because of principles that don't change: I am a Christian, first; a pro-life, anti-abortion voter, second; a classical conservative, third; a Republican, fourth.
I can't remember voting for a candidate who was not endorsed by the Tennessee Right To Life (TRL) organization. If life begins at conception, all other issues fade in comparison to the importance of the life/abortion issue. Almost always, I vote Republican because the party (and usually its candidates) reflects what I believe.
Democrat Ty Cobb won the TRL endorsement. He is "100% pro-life", TRL said, taking the anti-abortion/life position on all related issues.
But the endorsement and the attack ads it has spawned do not tell the whole story, as I have discovered through numerous email exchanges with TRL and the Marsh campaign.
Cobb pledges to support legislation that bans abortion, except for imminent danger to the mother -- no exceptions for rape and incest -- and to vote against the election of a pro-abortion House Speaker, said Brian Harris, president of TRL.
The Marsh positions are highly disputed, because Marsh (or someone in his campaign) filled out two TRL surveys that contradict each other -- a fact agreed upon by both TRL and the Marsh campaign.
In the second TRL survey, Marsh's positions include pledges to:
* Vote to "prohibit abortions except to prevent the death of the mother and in cases of pregnancy resulting from rape or incest";
* Vote for legislation supporting a constitutional amendment that would allow voters to decide if the state constitution conveys a right to abortion;
* Oppose the election of a pro-abortion House speaker.
Marsh is also against the use of cloning to create human embryos, said Mike McCrady, Marsh campaign manager. He did not address the issue of stem cell research in emails to me, although Marsh said in a primary forum that he was in favor of any research.
"He believes that life begins at conception, said McCrady. (This answer would indicate opposition to stem-cell research with human embryos.)
"Those are the answers he gave on the (second) TRL survey," he said. "Pat would also be willing to publicly name a TRL sponsored pro-life bill as one of his legislative priorities."
The first survey included support for human cloning and destructive embryo stem cell research and did not include voting against a pro-abortion House speaker, said Harris. Marsh was "unable to make a meeting" that other Republican primary candidates attended, to clarify his views, he said.
"When we held final meetings with Mr. Cobb and Mr. Marsh, Pat was unable to articulate even the most basic basis for his 'pro-life commitments'", said Harris. "Most candidates fill out the survey eagerly and without prompting. Most meet eagerly with TRL. I don't know another who has filled out multiple surveys but rather most express their sincere positions in the (first) survey.
"Based on the unusual and strange circumstances surrounding all the campaign's responses and positions and multiple explanations for them, it is our opinion that the first survey most accurately represents his positions. The second appears to have been completed by political folks hoping to negate the damage of his first survey."
The Marsh campaign disputes the TRL conclusions. The first survey was "a clerical error and, once it was seen, we provided TRL an updated survey," said McCrady.
"It was a simple mistake and it was corrected once it was discovered," he said, adding that Marsh met with TRL to "clear up any confusion as a result of the error". He added, "If we give democrats control again, pro-life legislation will once again be left to die in committee, like it has for the last 18 years under the former Speaker's term."
The Marsh campaign points out that Cobb has not attended four opportunities for debate on such issues. "It is easy to be for or against an issue if you never have to face voters and explain your position," said McCrady.
Marsh's pastor, Rev. Stephen Caine, of First Presbyterian Church, charges that TRL "has not endorsed him because he didn't want to play their games." (The comments came in a letter that went to "brothers and sisters in Christ".)
"In their desire to gain media coverage the TRL has supported Pat's democratic opponent in this race," said Caine.
TRL points out it did not endorse any democrat candidates for state House in 2008 and it "should help to underscore how seriously we view the weakness of Mr. Marsh's position and the strength of Mr. Cobb's."
Caine said he wrote the letter to "clear the air on Pat Marsh and his pro-life views". However, the letter doesn't give specifics and the denomination of which the church is a member, is pro-abortion. It adds that Marsh has served as a deacon and elder in the church and has been active in the men's fellowship and Navigator's Bible study.
"It is my hope that this letter will clear up the misinformation and confusion concerning the TRL and their endorsement of Pat's opponent. Pat is a Christian man, a pro-life candidate, and he is strong in his anti-abortion stance."
McCrady says TRL "is not seeing the big picture. It wasn't until Republicans took control of the House that their legislation was allowed to get out of committee and be voted on the House floor. By giving Democrats control again, pro-life legislation will once again be left to die in committee, like it has for the last 18 years under the former speaker's term."
Harris says, "Having watched up close, since 1992, the political games played by both sides with the lives of children and vulnerable moms who enjoy no protection through state law, it is pretty easy to pick out those who come to the political venue out of a shared commitment and desire to protect life, from those who are either pro-abortion or, perhaps worse, willing to mouth the right words in order to gain some votes and support of pro-life advocates."
He pointed out that the House will remain under Republican control, regardless of the election outcome. "This uneasy balance actually resulted in the greatest gains for our movement in a couple of decades," he said, adding that partisanship caused Republicans to bottle up pro-life legislation (SJR 127) because they did not want to allow any pro-life democrats to sign onto the resolution as co-sponsors.
"Our responsibility is to be fair to those of both parties because absolute truth doesn't belong to either one," Harris said. "We're charged with identifying and supporting the strongest voices and candidates who will make the cause of life a priority, not a peripheral matter. One only has to look at the manner in which the candidates have handled the matter of life during this campaign to get a good sense of which is most likely to do so."
So, who to vote for?
Oh good grief, drewhayes.
Our state has bigger issues than abortion. It will always be a polarizing issue, best handled by legal abortions with the statement of 'if you don't want one, don't have one.'
Tennessee has an embarrassing percntage of residents with a college degree (without handing them out, of course), abysmmal health statistics, and sorely needs new economic opportunites. Please stop harping on abortion while we have more pressing issues.
I believe some residents would rather have a complete idiot in office who will worship at their anti-choice altar than someone who can solve problems.
Word on the street is Pat Marsh and Jim Tracy were at a church revival Wed night along with Rev Bobby Scott asking for votes.This was not the time or place for this.This tells alot about these men,somethings are just not done!
Both the Democratic Party and the Repbublican Party have acted like fools in this election.Both parties are bringing in staffers to campaign.
I am so sick of all the phone calls and JUNK MAIL from the parties ( not the candidates ). The candidates are just being used by the parties.
No one from out of town cared about this election before....
This is the main reason I am voting for Chris Brown.
They offer chocolate or vanilla. I'm voting Strawberry!!!!!!!!!
tinytoes,
I have tried to read some of the comments to stay in touch with what people are discussing. I see that you made the statement about my being at Fair Haven the other night in this article as well as in the blog.
I answered it here: http://www.t-g.com/blogs/1199/entry/3056...
I would invite all readers to read my comment made at the link above concerning "word on the street".
Bobby Scott
bobby scott: you can see out responce below yours in the blog: for those that dont know about the blog here are the facts as told to my husband and myself at dinner tonight.Several couples that are members of Fair Haven Church stated tonight that both Jim tracy and Pat Marsh were at the church on Wed night and WERE asking for votes.this was witnessed by several differant people!They even said the Pastor of the church even announced that Pat Marsh and Jim Tracy were in attendence. I say it again EVERYONE IS WELCOME IN CHURCH but this was not the time or place for this.some things are just not done. My Husband and I also gathered that this was not appreciated by many of those at the church. GOSSIP NO TACKY YES
To tinytoes,,,,,Sounds to me that you and others are just envious of Pat. I know a lot of people in Bedford County that own condos in Florida. That will not hinder his representing our district. Can Ty Cobb afford to quit his job with UPS in order to carry out the duties this office entails? We need some one with a business back ground. I'm afraid that Ty Cobb does not have the back ground or any experience. You people are just jealous of anyone
who owns a profitable business, has a jet??, and is seen at the country club.
As a former longtime activist member of one of the two big parties (Republican), I can assure you that the "We don't need another party" is, just, one of the oft-repeated propaganda lines that have saturated the general public, but originated with party loyalists as contrived, self-protective snake oil. It's, just, like the lines "A third party can never win", or, as some prefer, "It'll take forty years to build a new party." These are all deceptive (and untrue)messages that were originally despensed with the intents that they would be repeated often and, eventually, would become a self-fulfilling prophecy. To those who say, "A third party can never win," I say, you'd better hope you are wrong, because if your right, the unvarnished truth is America has no (political) hope. Don't waste your time trying to transform a terminally corrupt two-spiggoted cesspool into fresh water drinking fountain.
Folks, the elites at the top of both big parties have a stranglehold on the control of those parties and are quite able to make sure that no one can wrest power from their hands. In fact, quite a few of the big money controllers are bipartisan (to hedge their bets).
Would more competiton in the marketplace be bad? Would a new supermarket with better product lines (made in America) at lower prices "complicate" the matter or improve the buyers situation?
Clell Drumheller
Houston, TX
Thank you for your support. I feel as a Constitution Party member and candidate that we can make a difference and believe that with God all things are possible. May God bless us all!
Chris Brown is Constitution Party candidate is the only one who has been available for all the debates. He has debated the Republican candidate but the Democratic candidate has not been there. Now the democratic candidate wants a debate for tomorrow, Saturday, October 10, but the Republican candidate, as of this writing (Friday 7pm) will not be available. What's wrong with this picture?Is this politics as usual? When the same two political parties, (who I am a former member of one of them because of things like this) don't have time, won't take time, or can't make time as a priority to debate the other candidates for the good of the people there is a problem. This is why people need to vote their principles not their parties or they get the same thing over and over again. Both major party members and independents are looking for a viable option and they have it in Chris Brown. Let's see, approximately registered voter breakdown is something like this: 35-40% are democrats, 35-40% are republican and the remaining 20-30% are independents. So thinking your throwing your vote away doesn't hold water. If people will vote their principles Chris Brown will win! America will win, the people will win because the Constitution party will win because we are bound by the Constitution, America's founding principles, and God's principles-- oh I almost forgot they are all go hand in hand despite what the many in the media, in government and the other political parties would say. The chose is yours to make, pray about this election. We in the Constitution party do as that is one of our cornerstones, just as the Founding Fathers did! Check out www.votechrisbrown.info God bless.
Kermit SteckChairman
Northeast TN Southwest
VA Constitution Party
Thank you for your support
TN Democratic Party NewsRepublican State House Candidate's Endorsement Sign Of Desperation
October 9th, 2009 by TNDP Print This Post
An ultra-conservative Republican presidential candidate's ironic endorsement of state House candidate Pat Marsh is the desperate attempt of an out-of-touch campaign to salvage support from a disillusioned base of support.
"Mike Huckabee might be surprised to know that Pat Marsh voted either for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential primary last year, not for him," Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester said. "And Mr. Huckabee probably should have asked more questions of Mr. Marsh before endorsing him, given the Republican presidential candidate's hard-line stance on certain moral issues.
"It would have been easier for Pat Marsh to clear up where he stands on the issues by debating Ty Cobb on Saturday. Instead, Mr. Marsh chose to dodge that debate and ask for an endorsement from someone who doesn't even live in Tennessee. Mr. Marsh's campaign is obviously falling apart.
"I'm afraid Mr. Marsh's credibility is in need of some immediate repair after all the bad advice he has taken lately from the clueless Republican leadership in Nashville," Forrester added.
A debate among the State House District 62 candidates had tentatively been schedule for Saturday afternoon, Oct. 10, at the courthouse, located on Shelbyville's Public Square. Marsh, however, declined to participate.
The State House District 62 seat has been vacant since this past summer when Ty Cobb's brother, Curt, resigned the post after accepting a position with the Bedford County Chancery Court.
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Republican House Candidate Pat Marsh Refuses Honest, Non-partisan Debate
October 9th, 2009 by TNDP Print This Post
State House candidate Pat Marsh has refused to debate his opponents at a forum that was to be moderated by the local newspaper at the Shelbyville Courthouse this weekend.
"His refusal to participate in a fair, honest debate about pertinent issues facing the people of Bedford, Lincoln and Rutherford counties indicates how out of touch he is," Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester said.
"And it shows just how disingenuous Mr. Marsh has been in his call to debate Ty Cobb. Mr. Marsh is talking out of both sides of his mouth here. He clearly doesn't want to debate the issues on neutral ground and before a non-partisan moderator.
"Instead Mr. Marsh's campaign wants to grandstand and smear someone's good name because that person happens to be a working man who has to punch a time clock. Mr. Marsh evidently has taken some bad advice from the clueless Republican leadership in Nashville," the chairman added.
The tentatively scheduled debate between the candidates was planned for Saturday afternoon, Oct. 10, at the courthouse, located on Shelbyville's Public Square. The State House District 62 seat has been vacant since this past summer when Ty Cobb's brother Curt resigned the post after accepting a position with the Bedford County Chancery Court.
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Statement From TNDP Chair Concerning Nobel Peace Prize Awarded To
No show Pat he got dot'ed an shut down at the schale house mon back...hes doing the chicken dance with Manchester DOT..-----------------------
With the House District 62 special election only four days away, the Republican and Democratic candidates sent us dueling press releases within 10 minutes of each other this morning to explain why a debate won't take place tomorrow morning.
The first one we got came from the Tennessee Democratic Party, which said Republican candidate Pat Marsh had refused to take part in an "honest, non-partisan debate" that would be moderated by a local newspaper at the Shelbyville courthouse.
"[I]t shows just how disingenuous Mr. Marsh has been in his call to debate Ty Cobb. Mr. Marsh is talking out of both sides of his mouth here. He clearly doesn't want to debate the issues on neutral ground and before a non-partisan moderator."
Marsh's campaign says it refused because it didn't like Democrat Ty Cobb's terms. It said Marsh will take place if they agree to five terms: that third-party candidate Chris Brown also participate, that it have a town hall format, that the questions come only from District 62 voters, that it take place in a neutral location and that no restrictions be placed on subject matter.
They said Marsh will agree to a debate on Oct. 12 moderated by Shelbyville Times-Gazette editor Kent Flanagan if those terms are met.
"Over the last month, Pat has participated in three separate town hall events in which your candidate, Ty Cobb was invited, but did not attend. We also previously provided you with three separate dates in which Pat was available for debate and we never received a response. Seeing as how the voters were not given the chance to see all three candidates together at these events, my hope is that you will accept this offer for debate on Monday."
A big sticking point has been what the debate will cover. As Marsh's letter states, his camp wants no restrictions on content, but Democrats are loathe to open the door to polemics on the Obama administration. They insist that the debate should cover only state issues.
Perhaps the two sides will come to a compromise over the weekend. Otherwise, it looks like District 62 voters will go to the polls without the two top candidates squaring off.
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IS Chris Brown the only one that can pourwater out of the Boot without the dir.on the bottom.
Pat marsh is a dem TY Cobb is a dem can we have a run off so Chris Brown knows what OBOMACRAT he's running against
And we wonder why nothing gets done in the government. Can't agree on a darn debate that the people want/need. Pitiful! You all should be ashamed at yourselves!
-- Posted by neighborhood mom on Fri, Oct 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM
Please dont use the word ALL .(use NOSHOW TY)(NOSHOW PAT MARSH )(MR CHRISTOPHER (circle) (T)BROWN) SHOWED UP TO ALL 3 THEN TOLD COBB HE WOULD BE AT THE COURT HOUSE WITH HIS DOG AN ICECREAM CONE SAT FOR HIM (COBB) TO BE THERE..IS BROWN A MAN OF HIS WORD I WILL BE THERE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF DOG HE HAS
Sorry, I should have clarified, but I was ticked off after reading the article...you all (in regards to Marsh/Cobb) should be ashamed at yourselves...ALONG with both of their Parties! Kudos Chris Brown for being available to the people.
To Brooklynn: If you will reread my post you will see a pattern already showing anout Mr Marsh. he said he is OK with abortion and cloning,now he is not (WHICH IS IT FOR OR AGAINST?) his staff were ask specific questions that people ALREADY knew the answer to and they lied! EX.They said Pat did NOT own a condo in Fla.when he really does at Aquavista in Bay Co. WHY LIE ABOUT IT? they were also ask if certain people in Shelbyville were backing his race they again said NO to be more specific 3 owners of Large trucking comp In Shelbyville are backing Marsh this has been proven WHY NOT TELL THE TRUTH? also the questionwas ask if Marsh ownes a MILLION dollar hunting lodge again the answer was NO but again PROVEN TRUE so WHY LIE? also specific questions were ask as to some people backing Marsh having a private jet again the answer was NO but the Jet is Parked at the airport in Shelbyville this was confirmed by a former employee? WHY LIE. and Now Marsh and Jim Tracy were at Fair Haven church during a revival asking for votes! this was witnessed by several people on Wed. night.this was not the time or place for this. I am not jealous of Mr Marsh or his wealthy friends but a clear pattern of lies have already been proven and he has not even been elected yet! WHAT DOES THIS SAY? Marsh and Tracy have said Cobb wont debate now MARSH WONT DEBATE! either make a stand on the issues or stop being wishy washy. Marsh and Tracy say TY Cobb shouldnt be elected because he is a WORKING MAN what is wrong with being a working man? NOW I ask you who is the BIG I LITTLE YOU in this race. But they say Pat is just a good ole boy that has "Worked " hard.. but a working man is not fit to serve the people many who ARE workingmen and women. Marsh says Cobb has sent out alot of negative letters BUT WE Have got just as much JUNK from Marsh as COBB. Mabey Mr Marsh doesnt know what is being sent out.His staff said he didnt know what was going on he had PEOPLE doing it for him he was too busy asking for votes.so he doesnt even have control of his campaign! He DID NOT PAY HIS TAXES and blamed it on his employees but it is HIS company! WHO WILL MARSH BLAME HIS MISTAKES ON IF HE IS ELECTED?
Wrong this is what CHRIS & Pat Marhs said BE at the court house today 2 oclock oclock3
http://www.youtube.com/user/1313GARFIELD...
I heard that Chris Brown and Ty Cobb showed up at the courthouse. Chris was there at 2:00 to make sure there weren't any surprises. He showed up with his miniture schnauzer, who was wearing a Tennessee sweater and hat. He said one of Pat's guys was up at the square waiting around when he arrived at 2:00, but left around 2:30 after Chris let him know that he saw him. At 3:00 Ty was there and Chris was still there, so they met and talked on some subjects of concern. They had the pledge and prayer. None of the people showed up. Huh, isn't that weird, no Pat, no people. Can it possibly be that they were only Pat's people? or is it because it was set up by the Democrat's? Or because the paper wouldn't be there, because Pat didn't show. I'm sorry, I only see one person showing for all these debates and questions and answer forums. Chris has been to all of them. I'm proud to call him my friend. Way to go, Chris, I know you are loyal. I thought you was joking about taking Dusty though, I bet he had a ball at the courthouse. I bet he was barking at everyone he saw. I know you said your wife took him home before the debate, but at least when you told them you'd be there with your dog, you spoke the truth. Sorry people, you had another chance and missed it. Everyone needs to learn, if Chris says he'll be somewhere, believe me, he'll be there unless something happens. He's a man of his word.
SO MARSH WAS THE NO SHOW AT THE DEBATE TODAY! well well that is an ABOUT FACE lol oh he was far to busy with his BIG I LITTLE YOU friends to come to a debate,he cannot be at the courthouse and HIs beachfront condo at the same time he might miss his T time..
To be fair Mr Marsh cant be expected to be out on a Saturday! even though he travels by private jet he couldn't possibly be seen with the common working folk,what would the people at "THE CLUB" think OH DEAR!!!
I do not know what Mr. Marsh has or has not done concerning taxes. All I've heard is rumor of such. That aside, I think someone who is aware of the over complicated, crippling tax code that not only burdens corporations but individuals as well, would be an asset in the House. I long for the day of a consumption or FAIR TAX.
-- Posted by Junto on Fri, Oct 9, 2009, at 4:59 PM
OK pat marsh said he handles his bla bla
Fact PAT MARSH HAS A high driver turnover he has made his money of truckers having to cheat on some of there log books .IF the driver ran by the book they would go broke .THEN if a driver says something about it ther are fired then there name is put on a dac report other wise called a BLACK LIST that hurts a driver .plus he acts like jims puppy dog .Now bobby is acting the same way .if he only new what the old farts said when he ran ..he should drop out to make it easer for pat
(tracy JR)..JIM TRACY want speak to his owe BROTHER STEVE at MACKD's just go there an ask the people that know steve(he is one of GODS kids )JIM
go back to the PIG FARM
All these people that are complaining about the accusation that Pat Marsh did not pay some taxes need to look at their President's selection of some appointees. Geitner, the head of the revenue dep't didn't pay taxes on money he earned. Former Senator Dashel was appointed, but withdrew after it came to light that he had undeclared income he owed taxes on. Congress Rangle chairman,head of the tax writing committe, is under investigation in the house because he did not report income and pay taxes on it.
HOW DARE THE DEMOCRATS COMPLAIN ABOUT UNPAID TAXES!!!
Tinytoes,
Can't you stop with the class envy? Enough is enough.
gottago: the truth is the truth and it hurts somtimes! Oh Where was Marsh at Saturday he WASNT at the debate? NO SHOW!
I like both candidates as people, and I personally don't care about Marsh's condo... I wish I had one! I voted for Ty because I think he has something we are lacking in Nashville.... the views of a working class person who has punched a clock and put in a hard days work day after day. We have too many lawyers and independently wealthy people there already... I'm ready for someone who can represent me!
See, that's what I don't understand. Everyone doesn't even consider Brown, because he is not a Republican or Democrat. People, those are the two parties that have got us into the mess we are in. I wish the world would wake up and see what is happening. Chris is about the hardest working man of the three. He ran across this country, leaving his family, and run anywhere from 15 to 20 hrs a day, not 5 days a week, but seven. There was no time clock, because he was running so you people could have stuff that you needed in the stores. I'm sorry people, the truck drivers of this nation are about the hardest working people there is whether you believe it or not. Chris has run hard for the people of this nation and you people think Ty works hard. I'm sorry, he gets to go home at night and sleep in his bed and eat at his table. It goes to show that the people only see what they want to see and will hand everything over to the government without even thinking.
For Real: That is MY point too.there is no way Marsh is going to care about the working man..so folks get out and vote.
http://www.t-g.com/story/1577812.html
What good was this debate for these people?