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The remains of the Johnny Wayne Crowson home and two burned vehicles are seen here. Crowson complains that a red gas can wasn't fingerprinted or investigated by authorities. (T-G Photo by David Melson) [Order this photo] |
A man who lost his Warners Bridge Road home and belongings to fire early Tuesday says a girlfriend intentionally set the blaze.
Johnny Wayne Crowson, 51, claims authorities failed to fully investigate the fire, or an alleged threat by the ex-girlfriend to burn the house, until the next day.
"They said they couldn't investigate because there was no death in the house," Sheryl Lankford, a friend of Crowson's who was with him at the charred remains Thursday, said she was told early Tuesday by a Shelbyville Fire Department employee. "They didn't rope it off until Wednesday afternoon, they put a fire hose on it then."
 Sheryl Lankford, left, and Johnny Wayne Crowson say a threat was received on her cell phone to burn his home. Flames erupted minutes later, they say. (T-G Photo by David Melson) [Click to enlarge] [Order this photo] |
Shelbyville Fire Chief John Habel said an investigation was in progress as of Thursday morning.
"We were notified a little after midnight," Habel said.
"Our investigator was on vacation. It was being investigated this (Thursday) morning. Our fire inspector, assistant chief and the state fire marshal's office were there.
"No one contacted me or came to my office. If there had been an injury or claim of arson we would have been right there."
Crowson told officers an ex-girlfriend left harassing messages on his and his present girlfriend's cell phones Monday night, including one in which she allegedly threatened to burn the house down.
"During the course of a profanity-laced rant I did hear her say that 'the house was gonna be gone'", Lt. Jason Williams of the Shelbyville Police Department said of a message left on Lankford's phone.
"She threatened (over the phone) to burn it down and about 10 or 15 minutes later it burned down," Crowson said.
The woman identified to police by Crowson as the suspect was across the street when emergency personnel arrived, Lt. Jason Williams said.
"I saw the house fully engulfed in flames and in the process of burning down," Lt. Jason Williams of the Shelbyville Police Department said. "A white female was standing outside the residence across the street yelling, 'Johnny.'"
The 54-year-old woman told officers she lived in the burning house and no one was inside.
She allegedly told officers she shared the home with Crowson, who "was at Bedford Manor Apartments with his other girlfriend."
"He said he had been seeing both (the suspect) as well as another woman, who was at the police department, and (the suspect) had become jealous," Williams said.
Bedford County Emergency Medical Service personnel checked the suspect at the scene.
"She was visibly upset about the house burning," Williams said.
Crowson repairs cars at his home. "We lost two (customers') cars and a truck. Another car suffered fire damage to the front end."
The home was uninsured, Crowson said.
Jars for donations sought by Crowson are at West Lane Market, West Lane Street, and D & T Market, Madison Street. Crowson can be reached at (931) 492-2345.
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I think that Shelbyville Fire Department Assistant Chief Brian Nicholson did a good job on the TV video news report on channel 4 at 600pm.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/21396379/detail...
Its good to know that we have a professional, like Brian, that works for the citizens of Shelbyville.
Brett
I actually agree with you Brett: Brian is a good guy.
Hi there I am the victims sister and there may have been a good job done on the news but the fact remains that the ball was dropped. This fire was started Monday night and fought through the wee hours of Tuesday morning. The suspect was there also. Numerous people were told about the threat made on the cell phone and no one wanted to listen. Yes, it was ignored. At the time the fire was out all left and NO ONE returned until about 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon to tape the area off because I, my brother and Sherry Lankford went to the fire department Wednesday afternoon and asked what was going to be done. A young fire fighter there told us three that nothing would be done simply because no one had perished in the fire. The young man made a phone call on his cell phone to confirm this and repeat again that nothing would be done. Sherry made the statement that he had lost his dog and we were told that it wasn't human and this was the laws that we all had to live with. I regret now that I didn't get his name and the person that he contacted, but hide sight is 20/20. Wayne was given a copy of the report and was told that if there was a voice message that the best thing to do was go over to the police dept. and talk to them, which we did right then. After talking to Det. Merlo we were told that the suspect would be questioned after checking with the fire dept. to be assured that nothing would be done on there end. But Det. Merlo was vague about what would happen if the suspect refused a lie detector test, that she could refuse. We explained the voice message but was not asked to hear it. We left then talked in the parking lot. Sherry went to the fire department and asked for the State Fire Marshal's number and asked about the area not being taped off, a different man from the first told her that it should have been, she said it wasn't, we were in the parking lot and watch someone leave going in that direction and the tape was there within minutes. I personally called the fire marshal and was directed to the Bomb and Arson Squad where I filed a complaint. I was told that someone would get to it ASAP. A friend of Wayne's contacted the 3 news channels and channel 4 thought that it was a worth while story. We all spoke with Mr. Martin.
Mr. Martin talked with the fire chief either Wednesday night or Thursday morning and an investigation was started Thursday morning. The suspect by the way was placed at a local motel by the red cross, supposedly given a large amount of money, because she lied and said that she owned the house. And was taken by a red cross rep. to get clothes. While my brother was given $166.00 and wished the best of luck. He has nothing and is now faced with worries that the City will come down hard on him to get the mess cleaned up. Several people have donated and I took him shopping to get him the essentials that he would need for day to day life. But he has no home, no vehicle. We his family will do all that we can. But the event has scarred him immensely.
I am glad that some thing is being down I just regret that it took this to get it started. If the fire dept. had been on there game it wouldn't have taken so many days for an investigation and there would be the lies to cover it up. This is the truth and if there are questions I will be glad to answer. God Bless you all and please remember Wayne in your prayers. M. Sanders
P.S. I wrote an email to the T-g and was told that they knew nothing about it. Guess Wayne and little Copper weren't a good enough story for the fire dept. to inform the paper about.
Also one other thing someone from the fire dept. made the statement that they were there on Tuesday, most of the day investigating, no one was there all day except those curious, family and friends. As I said before noone in a official capacity was there from the time they left early Tuesday morning until the tape was place late Wednesday afternoon. As this story states nothing was done until the next day, WRONG it was several days.
Why did he not have insurance? And where is the co-owner of the house? Insurance would of paid the rent on another house and covered the contents. Normally you get an "upfront" amount to help with trying to get it rebuilt and establishing yourself again. However, I don't believe insurance will pay if arson was involved.
His house was paid for and due to the lack of funds he had no insurance. There is no co-owner. And as you stated insurance probably would not have paid since is was arson.
Sounds like more social discrimination due to the fact the victim seemed to have not been well endowed.
The officials in this town should be ashamed of themselves coming off as a caring town, but yet, ignores the ones who really need the services.
riebenchild,
Thanks for your comment I have a tendency to agree!
Why is everyone running to the fire dept? I thought Police made arrests, not fire departments.
what does this have to do with the fire dept. anyway? they can't arrest anyone , plus the actual fire dept. doesn't give out money when people's home burns(they just fight the fire and put it out)that's the red cross or other agencies like that, it's a sad story but sounds like police should have been involved more.
to m.sanders
city fire dept's aren't fire marshals or dectectives. i'm not biased and do not have any affliation with the city fd, but I do know the way an arson investigation works, and trust me it would take the state atleast a day or two(they never move fast, even if they say they do) , so they can come down collect all the evidence. Just for your info I want you to know that actually getting a conviction on an arson case is TOUGH, there basically has to be a witness and or a credible source that saw the actual crime go down, it's impossible to unburn evidence,and one of the toughest crimes to prove just ask anyone in the fire service, but good luck and I hope they catch whoever did it.
gettin-by,
I am well aware of what the fire dept. is and is not. The point that I am trying to make is that if other folks had not been called in there would have never been any type of investigation to begin with. Her voice on the voice message should be witness and credible source enough. It was a poor job done. And will forever be that in my eyes. Me and my family or very afraid that if she gets away with this she will come after my brother.
I can also remember several years ago when a pair murdered and burn a man in Shelbyville, they new exactly what was poured on him.
I wil never trust the city of Shelbyville again, they did wrong they know it and have back peddled to cover it up. I listened to Brian Nicholson this afternoon tell my brother that he believed that everything was done right and that he apologized for what was said to us Wed. afternoon.
Plain and simple if it had been one of Shelbyville's elite we would never hear the end of it and it would not have been takin so lightly. I guess it is who you know after all.
God Bless Us All!
And what does the fire department have to do with it....WELL....wouldn't it their decision as to whether there needed to be an investigation or not. They just were not listening. And he has not ask for a dime from anyone. The Red Cross was called by Curtis Stacey.
And Tater said that Bubba said that Tinkey Mae said that Jewell said that Winnie said that Cornbread said......
lol at tatersue!
Could the Fire Department have prevented the fire? NO
Could the police have prevented the fire? NO
I agree that it should not have taken several days to determine if there needed to be an investigation, especially if there was evidence of a threat. Still all you are complaining about is that they should have started their investigation quicker. OK, fine, be mad at them but the BLAME and your ANGER should be toward the person that did this, if anyone at all.
You are just PO'ed because no one in the city stopped everything they were doing and did exactly what you wanted them to do when you wanted it.
Sorry about the house, sorry about not having insurance. I'm sure the people of Shelbyville and Bedford County will be glad to help, I know I will.
Riebenchild, "Social discrimination"; "not well endowed"; if that is not a joke and a sexual innuendo you are an idiot.
Insurance will pay off on arson if the insured is not the one who set the fire. Unfortunately, no insurance is real bad because now you have nothing but burnt embers and anger. I hope that you get justice and that the perpetrator is punished but that doesn't bring back the house and the cars. Hopefully, the cars were insured...Otherwise that could result in a lawsuit. I'm glad that no one was injured but sorry that the pet was an innocent victim. Best of luck to the family.
m. sanders
Obiviously you have hard feelings toward the fire dept. but you still aren't understanding the PROCESS of fire investigation!!! Without a DEATH or SERIOUS injury they are not gonna jump and go arrest someone today or tommorrow, fire investigation takes time and clearly your not willing to wait but in saying that you have to let the process do it's thing. Just cause someone says "i'm gonna burn it down" does not mean they can be arrested what it does mean is they can be brought in by the POLICE (not the FD) to be questioned then if the police think they have a case they will then arrest the person. The city of shelbyville can't go around dictating everyone in this town and tell them what to do or how to act, so therefor I still don't understand why your so upset with them? I do think they could have secured the scene better but honestly how will they do that at a fire scene because yellow caution tape will still not keep folks out. Like I said earlier since your family has this voice message that's wonderful for your case against his EX, not the city! Learn to pick your fights because I can promise you fighting with the people(PD & FD) that are trying to arrest his EX will not help you. I would be down there cooperating with both authorities to get whoever did it, not how they handle it and cause an uproar over something that you can't change!
what goes around, comes around!!
Just want to say Please tell your brother I am sorry for his loss.
gettin-by, i think you are right.... here is a man that lost everything ...why? he let his ex-girlfriend live in his house.... and maybe he couldn't get her out... so why didn't he just call the law.. and have them put here out.. and he would have been living in there.. and she would have been angry at him..instead of him being upset at the fire dept...
i have seen the fire dept a time or two at wrecks, and one time i saw them going into a burning house.... so if those guys risk their lives why would anyone put them guys down ? i saw on 6 o'clock news there was a bad fire killing some people.. and they said they have to wait till the fire marshal came to investigate.... is this guy mad because FD didn't put up some of that yellow tape... i am sure it was an over sight... but come on ... i still remember 9 11 where all those fireman die ....wasn't they trying to save a building and other people lives?
thanks old timer!
people give fireman heck about everything but what they fail to realize is some of the guys fighting those fires are volunteers. actually 75 percent of fireman are volunteers(and their are volunteers in the city), that means they get nothing for risking their lives to fight fire and help other civilians. I know we have a paid dept in the city and alot of good men work there, but i'm sick of this blame game stuff! Your right old timer his EX never should have been in the house with him dating another woman!! I'm sorry for his loss ,I truly am but I have no sympathy for someone who bashes a FD(any FD), cause truthfully 75% could be home with their wives,children, or family! Work hard to find the suspect not bash local government and call in news stories to the local stations! Cause truthfully it just looks like a blame game on your part m.sanders
Everyone can say what they want because everyone is entitled to there opinion. Just as I have mine. I tried to tell you guys the other side of the story and still most of you don't understand that some things that were on the t.v. and in the paper are not correct. But that is okay I can be the better person here. I will look to the Lord to take care of what is his. And let the rest sit on there pedestal. God Bless!
And tatersue it is thinking like yours that made this a less appealing job for every official involved.
My name is Brian Nicholson and I am proud to be a member of the Shelbyville Fire Department. Let me start by saying that this is not my chosen forum for communication, but it seems necessary for me to address some questions that you may have. My investigation began on Tuesday morning October 20th, 2009 at 9:00am. This was when I made my first visual inspection of the scene and I was there on the scene for about 45 minutes, in spite of what some have said. During that time, the point of origin was determined, measurments were taken and information was gathered for my preliminary report. That report was prepared at the station between 10:am and noon. The only other information that the fire department had at that time, to my understanding, was that an ongoing domestic situation was involved. My initial investigation revealed that the home in question contained many products that would contaminate physical evidence. Also, some things that would ordinarily look out of place were common place at this residence. I am not at liberty to address specifics of the investigation but I can assure you all that we were doing everything that was prudent to do at the time and the Police Department had also initiated a report the morning of the fire.
Our fire line tape is used as caution tape to alert the public of a hazard and is usually put up as fire crews leave the scene. The tape is for safety and not crime scene security. Not putting up the tape was an oversite after a long night's battle.
We pride ourselves on customer service. Where else can you dial a 3 digit number and get 15 well-trained professionals and over a half- million dollars of equipment in 5 minutes?
There were obvious misunderstandings and a miscomunication that occured due to my absence on Wednesday and for that I apologize, but the fact remains that the Shelbyville Fire Department responded when called and has done nothing but try to help all concerned to the best of our ability from start to finish. If I can help to clarify any further questions please contact me through the Fire Department non-emergency number 684-6241
Thank You
Brian Nicholson / SFD
I have one question for m. sanders. You stated that when you visited the Shelbyville Fire Department that your brother,Wayne, was given a report. So, here is my question: Who do you think generated that report and how was it generated? Isn't that report which Wayne received on Wednesday the preliminary report that was made from the inspector's investigation on TUESDAY? Look at the date on the report.
Outstanding reply Brian. Professionalism to a tee.
Of course Brian, you should now realize now that you are officially a blogger, lol, errrrr.
Let me repeat this again for those that did not get it the first time. And yes that means you m.sanders.
Its good to know that we have a professional, like Brian, that works for the citizens of Shelbyville.
Brett
My applause to you, Brian Nicholson! A great response indeed. I agree with Brett Favre by saying that it's good to know what we have professionals like Brian working for the citizens of Shelbyville and also Bedford County. These men and women often get talked about negatively, but they are the ones called upon in emergency situations. They put their lives on the line each shift they report for work, and for that I am grateful knowing they are there for me should I need them.
As the wife/daughter/sister/niece of four men who work for four different departments--two are fire fighters, two are law officers--I am very proud of the work that they do and the way they represent their departments.
grateful citizen nope it wasn't it was a report that there was a fire and yes that it was put out. And how could there have been and "inspectors report since the chief stated that he was on vacation! And I said report because that was what the FD called it. It was a few pieces of paper saying when the call was received, the arrival time, that there were no vehicles involved there are three involved.
And Mr. Nicholson thank you for joining the forum. And you just pretty much said the same thing that you told Wayne earlier today. But there are still many things were being overlooked and you know that not all is true. But that is okay I have my opinion and will hold true to that. Just as I am sure you will yours. And talking to you would not help one bit I have read what you have to say.
I guess the hurt and the anger that I feel and that is at the suspect I let get out of bounds. but what I wanted to see happen was the suspect being punished. But in order for that to happen the fire department had to let the PD know that there was suspected arson. And when the fire department had not done an investigation then when would it be determined that the PD should get involved. And as for the tape it has been misunderstood Sherry asked why hadn't tape been put up because of the danger, and I could probably understand why the tape wasn't put up Tuesday right after the fire but did Mr. Nicholson do it during his so called 45 minutes. You know what I am so very tired of beating a dead horse. I know what I know I feel the way that I feel. Each and everyone of you that reads and responds to these blogs do it for your own reasons. Just as I did it for my own today. There were things that did and did not happen and things that a blind eye were turned to. But as with anything that has to do with official capacity it will be mulled over and placed in the pick and choose category. That's fine, I will help my own, but not run and hide because I help my family stand up for what is right. I now wish that we had said nothing and I am dam near positive that nothing would have been done to start the investigation to lock this sick, and demented woman up. That is what all this was about in the first place. But that is okay myself and my family will be the bad guys. Wayne allowed a demented woman back into his home after her latest stint in jail because she had no other place to go, that was stupid, but should stupidity make you immune from the horrible act that has occurred. This one thing is not what has turned me against the system, many years ago out brother Terry shot and killed Donnie Hazelwood and never served time....why because they were just a speck on the census report. Then while still being investigated he went and shot William Seibers and nothing was done....why because they were nothing. Then he went and shot our brother Philip and even though it was 1st degree murder he was found guilty of 2nd degree murder. He is out and living in a cardboard box somewhere in this city.
This is not the first nor will it be last time that some facet of the City of Shelbyville has failed my family. But I guess as I get older I will never be able to escape the shock at those who don't know and who are too blind to see. And before you folks get on my case asking what does this has to with the fire, nothing just that the apple doesn't fail far from the tree, nothing was done then and nothing will be done now. Good Night All!
My applause to you all!!!!LOL
To m. sanders:
Yes mam, I was on vacation the day before and the day after, but chose to come in and begin my investigation on Tuesday. I WAS there and it was investigated and the State Investigators concoured with my original findings. The investigation is ongoing and will be conducted in a professional manner. If you have helpful information, please feel free to share it with the proper authorities. Misinformation could hamper the investigative efforts.
The article says that the victim said he had been seeing both women...so quit trying to divert attention by trying to make the fire dept. look bad. This is a terrible thing to happen to anyone, but be thankful no one was injured and learn that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...not excusing, but guys, it's a fact. There are consequences to our actions, even when those actions are just being an old hound dog...just look at Steve McNair as only one of the latest examples.
"P.S. I wrote an email to the T-g and was told that they knew nothing about it. Guess Wayne and little Copper weren't a good enough story for the fire dept. to inform the paper about."
Do you honestly think that it is the fire departments responsibility to report information to the paper?? Seriously?
Who was it that you "reported" this to the night of the fire? If it was a firefighter, I would not blame them for ignoring you... They were trying to save any property that they could. It should have been reported to a police officer on scene and they would initiate any investigation from that.
m.sanders
Before I begin, let me say that I am sorry for the loss your brother has suffered. This is an unimaginable loss, and I will keep him in my prayers. Just be grateful that no human life was lost.
Now, in saying that, I am also referring to the sons, fathers, Brothers, etc that went to your brother's house, while it was an inferno and risked their lives to battle this fire. It takes a special type of person to go out and risk their own life for the safety of others. I have some friends & family in the FD here and in surrounding counties; nowhere does it state in their job description that they must report to the local paper in regards to a fire. Now here is the thing, you have complaints about when the investigation started, when Mr. Nicholson has already stated that he was out the next day to begin his investigation. What do you possibly think he could have done in the night? He took time out of his own vacation to do his job, yet our FD is still under your criticism? I understand that there are two sides to every story and you are just telling yours, but maybe yours is a little narrow minded.
just stop replying to her nonsense! she's just grasping for straws at this point!
obviously none of ya'll understand how this really works. i know how it should work, because i done seen these things on tv.
first the firemen put out the fire, this takes about 2 minutes, then they discover the body. there is always a body. then the detectives investigate & figure out who is guilty. this is always a surprise, because it is never the obvious person. after that the detectives trick the guilty person into giving themselves away. this whole investigation takes another 25-30 minutes.
finally we have a trial. at first it looks easy, because they done tricked the guilty person into giving theirself away. but then some sneaky lawyer gets the evidence disqualified and it looks like the guilty person will get away before the prosecutor either tricks the guilty person into giving themselves away on the stand, and/or makes this inspiring closing argument that wins over the jury. then they come back with a guilty verdict. the trial takes about 30 more minutes. from setting the fire to going to jail should be accomplished in just under an hour (including commercials).
but here our fire department took all night just to put out the fire, and 45 minutes just for the preliminary report... and we didnt even find the body (there is always a body). obviously gross incompetence. we need to get us some of those tv cops & firemen.
Good Morning All,
Thank you all for the comments after I retired last night. I could say just as many hurtful things to you as you have said to me. Fine. I wrote my opinion and I opened myself up for your hate and discrimination, that was my fault, and once again that is fine. The only thing that comes to my exhausted mind right now is WHATEVER. If the OFFICIALS, CHOOSE not to help because of what I have said IT WOULD BE EXPECTED. Each and everyone of you have a wonderful life, and I am glad that me and my family gave you something to do for a few hours. This has been unbelieveable. I never realized that there were so many hateful and non understanding people in this town. I was telling HOW I FEEL,I wasn't asking you to feel the same as me. UNBELIEVEABLE! God Bless!! OH I bet I shouldn't have said that either. LOL
if you don't like it here MOVE! don't live in this terrible place called Shelbyville, you obiviously are so bitter towards those officials, so just show them how you feel and MOVE!
That is exactly what I did I don't live in Shelbyville. And moved for this exact reason. And by the way you mentioned earlier in this blog that you would be willing to give, please DON'T!
Hi Benjamin!!!Your dad said you were reading all this silly stuff. Sorry I have lowered my pedestal to their level. And I've only typed one curse word! LOL
good for you m.sanders!
m.sanders,
I understand this is apparently a very difficult time for you.
The Officials of the City of Shelbyville are servants to the Public. I know many of them, and trust me they all attempt to serve the public to the best of their ability.
There is no conspiracy concerning this unfortunate fire that I am aware of.
I wish you peace and wish you well.
I am sorry for your loss during this time and also sorry that you feel that you have been somehow been mistreated during this event with the fire.
Mr. Nicholson has offered you a forum for communication if you so chose to do so. I would recommend that you talk with him if you have any concerns regarding the fire that may bring new evidence to support your concerns or thoughts.
Brett
Let him without sin cast the first stone. I cannot believe some of you people. You are talking about the fact that he was dating 2 women. Does that bother you? As if he is the first man to do that one! I would like to see just one of you lose everything you own, and not want something done about it. The family knows who did it. It may have to be investigated by the police for an official charge to be made, but THEY KNOW. If you knew the person who burned your house to the ground, with everything you owned in it, which one of you on here would not want SOMETHING done? m.sanders is the sister of Wayne, who lost his home and everything in it. She is also the sister to Terry, who took the life of Philip Crowson. She said he is living in a "cardboard box somewhere in this city." Personally, I wish someone had set his cardboard box on fire. At least he would have deserved it. Wayne did nothing more than make a bad choice of women. This has nothing to do with who he dated, or liking where you live. It was simply a sister coming here to explain to those who wanted the family side of the story. "If you don't like it, Move." That was a very touching comment to someone who just wanted to give you their side of things. Yes, m.sanders, you know me. Think about it.
Yes I do know you and you will forever hold a special place in my heart. Thank you for your words here, I just wish that it hadn't been in vain. Everyone has an opinion regardless of whether we agree or not. My intent when I began this was not to get everyone to agree with me just to get out Wayne's side of the story. There was a misprint in the T-G story about these women both being his girlfriends. The suspect was an ex and the relationship has long been over. The need to help her and the belief that she had changed was what compelled Wayne to help her. She had no place to go and has no family locally. His only intent was to help her get on her feet. Her mentality made her burn down the only habit that she had. I pray that she is punished and is given the treatment that she so well deserves. But in turn I pray that Wayne is treated respectfully. I know that all can be replaced and memories of little Copper are set in stone and Wayne will go on, and I will always have my opinion and this is mine to live with.
God Bless you all! m. sanders
And m.sanders told Betty Jean who told Terry Wayne who told Pearl who said it wasn't true but told Louise May anyway who promptly fainted.
Folks you do not know this but the person using the screen name TaterSue is really our Aunt Sue. She is upset because she asked for some of the stuff that has been donated and was refused. All I can say is it is a shame that you cannot pick your relatives. But I would like to tell her that I still love her and wish her all the best. God Bless You!
P.S. Once I got past the pity I feel for Aunt Sue I actually laughed cause Betty Jean, Terry Wayne, and Louise May actually Louisa May are her children and mamas name. Bless her heart guess it's time to think about a home.
m.sanders it has just occurred to me that your just looking for attention.
I hope that you have enjoyed your 5 or so days of attention on this blog site.
This blog will end within a week or so and so will your ability to post on it.
I recommend that you contact Jerry Springer for your next moment of fame.
Oh my goodness!! I am tryin to figure out now if m.sanders really thinks tater sue is kin to her!! LOL!!! I know who tater sue is and I am afraid that "she" isn't your Aunt Sue. As tater sue would say.....Pearl..................
ROTFLMAO.......I will be glad when this blog ends so I won't feel compelled to comment on your commments. And you can tell "tatersue" just as I will tell you....hide behind your screen name and talk bad to me all you want. And if you couldn't tell that it was a joke then you have no sense of humor just as "tater sue" doesn't. I have lurked on this blog for along time and have read her bad mouth folks just because it makes her BIG in her own mind. And for you Roland, please tell me what kind of attention could I possibly get from this blog. When I could go down to Cousin Pearl's and talk with the rest of my family from them thar hills. LOL
MY DAD LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM WAYNE. HE TOLD ME THE NIGHT IT HAPPENED SHE CAME RUNNING TO HIS HOUSE WITH HER DOGS ALL UPSET. HE ASKED HER WHAT HAPPENED AND SHE SAID "I DON'T KNOW, BUT I SET IT ON FIRE." SHE SAVED HER DOGS BUT NOT POOR COPPER!!! SHOULDN'T THAT BE ENOUGH TO ARREST HER? WHY DON'T THE POLICE QUESTION THE NEIGHBORS? THEY MAY FIND OUT MORE THAN THEY REALIZE!!!!
DON'T TAKE THAT THE WRONG WAY. IT'S NOTHING BAD ABOUT WAYNE. I'M TALKING ABOUT HER. SHE WAS MORE TROUBLE THAN SHE IS WORTH!!!!!
WHY DON'T THE POLICE QUESTION THE NEIGHBORS?
Posted by KDUBOIS77 on Mon, Oct 26, 2009, at 7:39 AM
Too much trouble. They had rather just right a little report and be done with it. If it is not one of the buddies they have little interest in finding the truth. Wayne was probably not in the click.
I agree the FD done there job.They came when called and risk there lives to put out the fire.But if i had left a threatening message on a voice mail and a house had burned i would already be under the jail.I understand Mr.crowson is a nobody and shelbyvile PD does not care but who is this woman that she is not under the jail?
You know...If this house had belonged to somebody "important" in this city whoever did this WOULD already be under the jail.
You're right nurse_01.
I thought there couldn't be an arrest until an investigation was complete and evidence was found to make said arrest?
bedfordcoresident,
I think the people with the burnt house are complaining about the lack of an investigation.
Is the ex-girlfriend who allegedly burned the house the same one the police recevied several calls on as being an unwanted person who Mr. Crowson told the officers had drugs in the house? But, when it went to court he testified that the drugs weren't hers, and the Judge asked the D.A.'s office to file charges against Crowson for filing a false report?
I'm not that old, but I can remember the days that if you lived in the county, there wasn't a FD. My grandfather lost a house because all we had was a pond and loving family & neighbors to carry water in buckets. We couldn't even pay the FD enough to come to the house. Be thankful that now we do have a FD with people that are willing to risk their lives to save your property. These firemen have families at home that are always afraid that each call may be the last call they answer. I know because I have waited at home with an infant daughter, praying that her dad is safe and will walk through the back door. If you don't appreciate the jobs that our FD & PD do, then don't call 911.
If I read the previous blog correctly, it is your brother that is living in a box in Shelbyville, after shooting 3 people. If that's correct, then it sounds like your family knew someone that pulled some strings at one time. The idea that you would even suggest that he is walking free because a life wasn't worth the trouble of prosecuting. It doesn't matter who a person is what they have or haven't done, their life is just as precious to their family as yours is to your family. We are all God's children and we are equal. One life isn't any more precious than another.
If in fact the 'lady' of the house ran next door and told the neighbor that she set the house on fire, has that neighbor been to the police department to make a statement? Maybe you should stop and think what steps your brother needs to be taking instead of blaming everyone for what happened. It is devastating to loose everything you have, and even more so if you THINK you know who is responsible. You can't go off like a loose cannon and expect things to turn out the way you want them to, just because you want it.
I'm with one of the previous bloggers, if you want help then don't bite the hand that is feeding you and in this case that is the FD & PD. Let these qualified people do their job, furnish them with evidence (if you have any) and ask the neighbor to make a statement.
We have all made empty threats during our lifetime and just because the 'lady' of the house said she was going to burn the house down in a monent of anger isn't proof.
This is also another reason why adults need to be responsible adults. You always have to prepare for the unexpected. I know times are tough, but your brother should have had insurance on his home. You just learn to do without the wants and take care of the needs.
While you praying for others ask God to guide you and your family according to His will.
M. Sanders you have made it known what you feel has happened, or is happening with you brother and his situation, sometimes people have to speak out about things. But please do not respond any more on the blogs about his case. It sounds like their is still a need for investigations, and possible prosecution. If their was a lawyer involved he would tell you to not discuss the case, at this point and time you could be damaging efforts of your brother getting justice for his loss.
Please have your brother ask the neighbors to go to police with any information they may have or witnessed. I know it is easy to get emotional when people are saying negative things about a tragedy to you or a loved one and you end up trying to defend yourself or a loved one. But the more information you put out in the open, a person (suspect)can twist it to their advantage in many ways. I am trully sorry for your brothers loss. I know it is hard to believe right now, but God does here prayers and he will make a way out of no way.
Things may seem sad, wrong and dreary now, but trouble don't last always, sunshine will come. Just pray that God will step in and make everything alright, and just know that he will. Perhaps people that your brother know fairly well, and some close family members could help with cleaning up the damages, some of them may even have friends or family that specialize in this type of thing. From the picture looks like one side of the house is a total lost, I can't tell, but it almost look like some of the house you may be able to gut out. Like putting in new sheet rock & maybe insulation, roofing and new wiring possibly, I don't know; just a thought to consider.
Stay focused, watch who you talk to, or give information to. Make sure your "brother is involved in all this not just you, because it is his house. Just please do not respond any more about you brothers case, you and he find out all you can report it to the people doing the investigation, keep praying and ask for help with getting this home back together. Make sure he gets some type of insurance to the next rebuild or refurbish he has. The property is still his, make use of it the best way he can, and tell your brother don't be afraid to ask for help, we all have to sometimes. Good luck my prayers to your brother, and God Bless.
Has there been anymore info released about this? Any updates on whom or why?