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Steve Mills

Anyone want to comment about Mr. Romney's choice for VP running mate?

Posted Thursday, August 16, 2012, at 7:31 AM
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  • Paul Ryan was an excellent choice IMO. I was sure Rubio would be the choice to help carry Florida, but I'm very happy with the choice. Ryan is about the only person in Congress interested in having a grown up conversation about entitlement reform and spending reduction. It's bold and gutsy because it does open him to demagoguery for daring to discuss the sacred entitlements of Medicare and Social Security. He is an excellent speaker and can make coherent arguments about his positions. I think it also says a lot about Romney's decision making in this choice. Many conservatives have been lukewarm about getting behind Romney for concern he is a RINO but the choice of Ryan does strengthen that support base. My only hope is that they will truly walk the walk if elected.

    Obama ran a stronger than needed campaign in 2008 but I've been rather shocked by how poorly his campaign is being run this time around. Hope & Change have been replaced by Fear & Blame. Turn on the media arm of the DNC, MSNBC, and you're assaulted constantly by negative coverage of Romney and Ryan with little to no promotion of any positives of the Obama administration. Look for the DNC to try to frighten seniors that Paul Ryan will take away their SS and Medicare. Biden's "They gonna put y'all back in chains" pretty much sums up their fear mongering. "You didn't build that" pretty much sums up Obama's feelings about business. That type of rhetoric won't resonate with business owners and it's especially unappreciated when it comes from someone who never ran his own business. I don't think blaming Bush will work this time around. Obama's main successes are Obamacare, which is extremely unpopular, and the UAW bailout at the expense of bond holders and taxpayers. If you think GM has been saved, then I doubt you are stockholder. Obama has no vision for the future except one buried under entitlements and debt, swollen welfare rolls, and reduced opportunities for success. He can make the "millionaires and billionaires" pay "their fair share" all he wants and there will not be enough money to surmount Congressional spending.

    This election will be a referendum on whether we want to try and reach out for some level of fiscal sanity or settle for a new norm of high unemployment, increased cost of living and mediocrity. I can't guarantee Romney & Ryan will deliver the goods but the current administration isn't cutting it.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 4:28 PM
  • Sorry for being a little out of touch and i am not arguing about anything but what is RINO?

    And the UAW bailout?

    So... so far the opinion is Paul Ryan is a good selection. The talking heads were saying the opposite but I did not recognize any of them and I quickly change the channel when I see politics being discussed. ( I almost typed disgust, which might actually be appropriate)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 5:06 PM
  • RINO = Republican In Name Only

    UAW bailout was the GM bailout.


    Bondholders and nonunion pensioners got the shaft. A big thank you for union support during the 2008 election at taxpayer expense. Of course, the DNC would have you believe Romney is going around inflicting cancer on people.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 5:29 PM
  • Is he really? Just kidding.

    Thanks for bringing me up to date on some terms.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 8:51 PM
  • RINO is a term applied to centrist Republicans or those not far right. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an example. Many felt McCain was. Romney was governor of a fairly liberal state which leads many to believe he would not be very conservative. Whether he is a RINO or not is subjective and open to opinion.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Thu, Aug 16, 2012, at 9:05 PM
  • Ryan, in my opinion is a good, solid choice.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:10 AM
  • Ryan is a good choice,but will it be enough to make Obama a one term blunder? With the excessive use of "executive orders",Barry seems to be playing pin the tail on the fringe voters.It may be just enough to bite him in the behind.

    -- Posted by mdstover on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 7:31 AM
  • At first blush . . . . I think he has made a good choice.

    -- Posted by bbbluebird on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 9:41 AM
  • Ryan does not tell the truth just like Romney lies about his taxes.He opposed the stimulus then asked for 20 million for his district.

    Romney is on video several times stating he aggrees with Ryan plan for medicare. Which willcause seniors to pay more out of their pockets and end medicare as we know it.

    The 700 million they keep saying Obama took from medicare is also in Ryans bill.The difference is Obama used it to help seniors pay for medications and no co-pay for doctors visits. Ryan will cut budget on the backs of seniors and the poor to keep the rich from going from 36% to 39% tax increase that was done while Clinton was in office.Bush came along and lowered taxes on the rich to creat jobs.They have been lowered for 10 years. Where are the jobs.We lost jobs during the Bush years.We are in this mess because of that.Along with paying for 2 wars Bush lied about and got us into.Now Romney and Ryan wants to take us back to that. Is that what they mean when they say "they want to take our country back".Ryan does not want insurance to pay for birth control but will pay for viagra.All the talk about Obama being muslim which he isnt no ones saying anything about Romney being Morman which so many americans considered a cult till now.From what I have read unless you live and believe as they do they dont care about you. The only way Romney and Ryan might win is if the republicans keep trying to suppress the vote.They even want to cut food for headstart and school lunch for poor familys.God watches how we treat the poor and the elderly.Ryan is not ready to be president. When you are vice president you are only a heart beat away.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:03 PM
  • Good response Mercer!

    -- Posted by bbbluebird on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 12:39 PM
  • In fact, I heard Romney say that part if his choice for VP was just that. He wanted someone who could be a good President. As I said in the beginning, I don't know Ryan, so.... we'll see what the American public thinks.

    lets be real, your comment was too long an run together for me to really get your points but they sound like they may have come from "talking points" put out by the DNC.

    Can you come back with just a few at a time so we can give it better attention? How specifically will Ryan's plan put more on the Senior citizens?

    Ending Medicare as we know it might not necessarily be a bad thing and I getting close to qualifying so... I would like to know more.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 1:52 PM
  • The thing is, Ryan being a good choice or a bad choice has nothing to do with the quality of Ryan as a potential vice president or president. His choice, like any V-P choice, was driven by political considerations.

    In the recent primary/general election, Bedford County, with a population of nearly 50,000 had about 2,000 votes cast. Rutherford County, with a population nearing 300,000 had a little over 20,000 votes cast. Do the actions of the elected officials from these two counties represent the majority opinion of the population? Of course not. Most people in Bedford County do not want the county commissioners to bicker with the school board like children, and make critical decisions based on avenging perceived personal slights. Most of the people in Rutherford County are embarrassed at some of the things said by Murfreesboro's representatives. One does not have to be smart, competent, or represent the opinions of the population to be elected, but rather one must be the preferred choice of the majority of those motivated enough to vote.

    Ryan has to walk a tightrope. He has to be extreme enough to draw the lunatic fringe to the polls, while appearing sane enough to avoid motivating too many centrists to get off their butts and vote.

    As far as the Ryan "plan" is concerned, it fails to pass the test of math. Originally the elderly and the poor were supposed to fund the tax cuts for the wealthy and big business. Unfortunately, the elderly constitute a powerful voting block on which the party relies. No one is going to vote to be one of the ones who make a sacrifice. So now the medicare cuts in this "plan" have been moved out about a decade. It should be obvious that Ryan can not promise that cuts will be made by an administration still 3 elections away. This leaves the poor alone to compensate for the revenue cuts that are still planned to take place immediately. It is simple math. The revenue cuts exceed the possible cuts in expenditures.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 2:34 PM
  • lets be real,

    At least Romney has been in charge of something. Obama's never run so much as a hot dog stand, but if he ran one the way he has run the country, he would be out of money and hot dogs. Last I checked, Bush is not running for President. Who do you think is paying for Obama's wars and his drone attacks? Funny how the war protesters seem to wither away and Obama is awarded a flipping Nobel Peace Prize. For what pray tell? Obama the peacemaker.

    You don't worry that Biden is a heart beat away from being President? He generally can't seem to remember what city or century he is in. I'd feel much more comfortable with Ryan.

    Nobody on this board mentioned Obama being a Muslim but yet you choose to denigrate Mormons. I am at least comfortable that I know what religion Romney is. You have no proof that Romney has lied about his taxes. He's released what is required by law and they showed he gives a great deal to charity. There is no reason to release more as it would not convince you of anything. Meanwhile, Obama has gone to great lengths to seal his records and named a tax dodger as his Treasury Secretary.

    Your "tax cuts for the rich" is just another fear mongering DNC talking point. Why didn't Obama tax the rich when he took office and had a Dem majority in Congress and no one to oppose him? You ask where are the jobs but Obama has been in office for 3.5 years and the Dems ruled Congress since 2006. No blame for the Dem Congress? Only about half of us pay any Federal Income Tax at this point anyway, and it is good money after bad IMO. Would you gladly let Obama extract more money from the private sector to make political payoffs to the UAW by propping up GM or pour down the various black holes like Solyndra when the private sector could have invested that money usefully into something that would create jobs and improve industry just to satisfy you're sense of fairness? The government should not be picking winners and losers because they pick poorly. I don't need Obama to pick my investments. The Income Tax is progressive just like our dear leader. The ones living off the largess should send out thank you notes rather than indignantly demanding more. Congress has a spending problem not a tax problem. Romney pays so little tax because it is on capital gains. If you increase Income Tax, his capital gains taxes don't go up. You just hurt people like me who work for a living. The middle class bears the brunt of all tax increases. If you tax evil oil, I pay more at the pump. If you tax the evil corporate owner, I'll have to pay more for his products or he may fire me to pay the extra taxes. The purpose of taxation is not to "level the playing field."

    My insurance has never covered birth control and I could care less. I carry insurance in case of catastrophic illness. Just because the government requires insurance to cover birth control doesn't mean that you don't pay for it. Nothing is free and somebody pays. The Affordable Care Act has done nothing to contain health care costs for working people like myself. People have long acknowledged that entitlement spending threatens to bankrupt the nation but each administration chooses to kick the can further down the road. Yet you would criticize Ryan for wanting to ensure that it is sustainable enough to be there for people under 40 once they reach retirement age. They would also probably means test it which would make those of us who have responsibly saved for our old age will be out of luck when it comes to collecting anything we had put in. Besides Congress would still have to pass Ryan's budget which is not bloody likely with the lot that is in there now. Ryan's budget does not even balance the budget for over 20 years. Compare that to the President's budget which forsees trillion dollar deficits til the end of time and did not get any Congressional support from democrats.

    But since you're convinced, please tell me why I should re-elect Obama. What accomplishment has he that should make me send a vote to him? Obama inherited a recession but in my mind he has turned it into a stalled and stunted recovery. Don't give me any "fair share" or "tax the rich". Tell me of what his grand vision for the future is. Tell me what he has done that is so great and try to remember he is not running against Bush.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 3:40 PM
  • Let's be real,

    Just to let you know,since I do serve on the South Central Human Resorce Agency board, your president's government,or he,which ever you want to give credit to, has cut the Nutrition services for the elderly in our area $130,000.00 for this coming year. We served 110 thousand meals this past year.

    It is good that we didn't have a cut in the Head Start/Early Head Start Program for this coming year.

    -- Posted by walrite on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 4:14 PM
  • Ryan also voted against Obamas jobs bill that would have created over a million jobs.The republicans are putting their hatred for Obama before anything that will help the middle class.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 6:56 PM
  • Maybe the same reason the Senate doesn't vote on any of the House passed jobs bills. Anyway, I thought Obama's jobs bill died in the Senate. Paul Ryan is in the House. It was a bad bill besides. But, to make sure we're on the same page, post me a link where Ryan voted against it so I can be sure we're discussing the same bill.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Aug 17, 2012, at 8:17 PM
  • I'm sorry, but Senator Harry Reid's claim that an "anonymous" person called his office and stated Mr. Romney has not paid any income taxes in 10 years hardly qualifies as proof that he hasn't.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 12:42 AM
  • " "anonymous" person called his office and stated Mr. Romney has not paid any income taxes in 10 years" That was the proof used? By a Senator?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 8:18 AM
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMChd6QchaU



    "Let him prove he has paid taxes, because he hasn't." - Harry Reid. I guess now the burden proof is on the accused. He was also accused of killing a woman with cancer. Romney has released the tax returns that are legally required. There is no reason to release more because tax return releases do not help candidates. There is nothing in Romney's tax returns that will make people more willing to vote for him. That does not mean there is anything illegal there either. Obama just has nothing to run on and is trying to distract from his power grabs and failures. Romney needs to exchange his tax returns for Obama's college transcripts.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 9:47 AM
  • Actually, what Reid said was that he would not reveal his source. Equally as disingenuous as Romney stating that he had reviewed his own tax returns, and found them all satisfactory. All just politics as usual, and neither building my trust. I would assume that Romney, like pretty much every other American, has paid as little in taxes as he could get away with.

    The irony is that both candidates could build positive reasons to support their candidacy. While Romney may have been born to wealth and privilege, he has not just coasted thru life as a rich playboy. His record has been one of a moderate and competent administrator. It is obvious that Obama, as a mixed race child of a single mother, is a man of exceptional ability, to rise to the level he has risen. And despite all the forwarded e-mail "facts", his actions have been moderate, and he has shown the willingness to borrow the best ideas of the opposition. These are probably the two most capable candidates we have had in a while.

    That is not how the game is played these days, of course. Since only the highly motivated (and slightly unbalanced) people seem to vote, we have this scorched earth, nonsense campaign. The funny thing is, listening to the Romney supporters makes me want to vote for Obama, and listening to the Obama supporters makes me want to vote for Romney.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 9:50 AM
  • Well as Romney said he paid 13%. That is still not enough. Wonder what he paid on his off shore accounts.Why would he not invest his money in America.If people feel comfortable about him not thinking enough of us to show us his tax records then how can he be trusted.What is he afraid of?Ryan is speaking to seniors today in Florida.There was not a person of color in the crowd.Why didnt he address a normal group of people you see every day instead of a wealthy gated community.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 10:05 AM
  • "Well as Romney said he paid 13%. That is still not enough." That really caught my attention.

    I am not making anywhere near what Romney makes. Of course, I don't know, and I really don't care, but if I paid 13% of my income to taxes and someone says that is not enough, I would go ballistic.

    There is so much more I feel like saying, but I would not be able to keep my own policy of trying to keep it civil.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 12:23 PM
  • Ryan is speaking to seniors today in Florida.There was not a person of color in the crowd.Why didnt he address a normal group of people you see every day instead of a wealthy gated community.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 10:05 AM

    So therefore Ryan is a racist. Is that all you've got? Next you'll tell us he hates women too. I'm sorry sir, but your race card has been rejected. Obama has no positives to tout from his administration. That is why Romney's taxes are a big deal. He figures if he can show you just how rich he is, you'll hate him.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 1:27 PM
  • Mr. Romney's choice of Paul Ryan now presents another interesting situation. Conservative fundamentalist Christians will now have to vote for a Mormon AND a Catholic. Politics and religion always produces strange bedfellows.

    -- Posted by John Birchfield on Sun, Aug 19, 2012, at 12:35 PM
  • Obama's beliefs and resulting policy decisions are blatantly and unrepentedly socialist by their very nature. History itself offers irrefutable proof that socialism has led to the destruction of every society that has attempted it.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 1:59 AM
  • I don't care what Romney does with his money I only care what Obama does with mine.

    Romney has given more then 10% of his earning to his church & other charities, Obama gave 1%, That tells me alot about Obama, he likes to dip into other peoples pockets but he doesn't like to dip in his own.

    -- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 11:58 AM
  • that's odd.

    in the tax returns that were released by romney, his "giving" was at 15%

    the obamas' for that same year was 14%

    what turns me off the most is the endless false statements by both camps.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 4:59 PM
  • i cannot stand either one..

    -- Posted by 4fabfelines on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 6:09 PM
  • Americans are not stupid. The middle class knows who will look out for them.The only way Romney will win in November is if the republicans succeed in supressing the vote. When you have 80 and 90 year old americans that has been registered to vote for over 50 years and unable to get a birth certificate to get a photo ID it is a shame. In America I thought voting was a right. We should care that Romney hides his money to pay less taxes and wants to cut spending at the expense of poor americans.Romney is against Obamacare but he invented it in Mass.Ryan stated that hospitals will close because of it.Not true .Our hospital will be better off if everyone that uses the emergency will have insurance and people that do have insurance want have to pay for it.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 8:05 PM
  • I am definitely in the "middle class" and there are only a few basic things that I think government should "look out for me" and most of it has to do with the security and integrity of the nation and civil rights.

    I am not sure that producing a birth certificate is the best topic to bring up to bolster your position. I would bet that ANY 80-90 year old American,(who IS American)will be able to vote. Throwing that in is just fear mongering, not fact.

    Voting is a right of any legal citizen who has not committed a felony. However, because of all the undocumented aliens, voter fraud, etc., the requirements to prove citizenship and residence have become more stringent.

    Any persons making less than middle class should not be paying much taxes, if any. Therefore, I do not see how cutting spending is at the "expense". They just get less handouts.

    Some need them and I am all for that but MANY are taking advantage of the system (not the poor) and I am all for cleaning that up, BIG TIME.

    Someone is paying for health care, no matter where the payment comes from.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 8:58 AM
  • The Obama plan

    Lets assault the energy sector and funnel money to a boutique solution that our enviro-nutcase buddies want. We'll pretend it will generate the same level of jobs and hope no one will notice that energy costs will rise astronomically in the future.

    Lets put as many people as possible on the dole, funnel money to inefficient and corrupt government unions and rewrite contract law without saying so in so many words so that our union friends are put first in line for spoils when a business collapses and senior bondholders come just before common stock holders. Hopefully no one will notice that people are afraid to invest in new projects because they know we will rob them again.

    Lets grow the government as large as we can by pretending to spend money on critically-needed infrastructure while actually permanently growing the government. Hopefully no one will mind that we are stealing resources from the economic engine and giving them to our supporters under a political patronage regime.

    Lets do what we can to assault every business we can, placing new rules and unaccountable bureaucratic dictators in place and bypassing the Congress through executive fiat. Hopefully no one will notice

    Lets take over more of the economy, but we will leave the pretense of ownership in place even as WE decide what business can do so we can keep the scapegoats in place to take the blame for our failures. Hopefully no one will notice.

    Lets demagogue anyone who disagrees and reverse the meaning of words to keep the voters confused about who is promising what. Maybe they won't notice we call a tax increase a spending cut in the tax code...

    Lets not bother passing an actual budget as that leaves fingerprints. Maybe no one will notice.

    Hmmm. The economy's still bad. It must be George Bush's fault. Why aren't people risking money so I can take it?

    Quick, someone get sealed divorce papers on Romney unsealed so we can smear him. I can't run on my record. What???!! no divorce?? What else can we try to use to demagogue him? Maybe we can call him a rich guy. Get his tax returns. What?? He donated almost as much in charity as he paid in taxes?? Keep digging, we need more distractions!!

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Tue, Aug 21, 2012, at 8:47 PM
  • Some one must not have read the new voting law if you think registered voters can vote without photo ID. Also give me a good reason to decrease number of early voting days.This is not a scare tactic.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 12:35 PM
  • Please don't feign contempt of the voter ID law while actively supporting the party that gave us Jim Crow laws and turned a blind eye to ACORN in 2008. I guess you're also upset that AG Holder ignored the voter intimidation allegations against the New Black Panthers in 2008. The TN voter ID law provides exemptions for indigent people, people who object to being photographed for religious reasons and old people in nursing homes and assisted living. It doesn't even apply to absentee voters, just those who vote at polling places. So just tell them you're indigent when you go to vote. It is a pointless law because it has no teeth and IMO, a waste of time. It won't protect the integrity of the vote from anyone bound and determined to infringe on it. I'm highly doubtful you'll be able to point out one case of a person turned away because of it. In other words, I don't think it will make a difference either way.

    Besides, the voter ID laws are the grounds that Obama will use to contest the election results when he loses in November. Please start telling us what is so great Obama so that we can come to love him too. I'm not like the other people here. I don't think he's Muslim. He'd have to be willing to acknowledge a power greater than himself to be a Muslim. He's much too narcissistic for that.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 3:58 PM
  • My 80 year old aunt does not want to stay at home and say she is indigent. She has been a registered voter for over 50 years.It her right if she wants to go vote.She has no birth certifcate to get a photo ID.She was born in Tenn.She can vote by provisional ballot. After this she has 4 days to present gov. issued ID to election commission or her vote doesnt count.Even college students can not use college ID with photo to vote.But they can go fight for our country and buy a gun with it.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 8:57 PM
  • Don't get me wrong. I think the law is fairly useless so I have no interest in defending it, but has your aunt attempted to get a photo despite not having a birth certificate? I took my elderly mother to the DMV to get a photo ID with no birth certificate and they bent over backward to accomodate her, but she did already have a valid driver's license with no photo. They are supposed to work with individuals without birth certificates to help verify citizenship. Surely she has a SSN or Medicare ID. I'm truly interested in what they told her. Sounds like your local newspaper could be interested in this as a news story if she is unable to get a photo ID, and I suspect it would be picked up by the AP as well. In the meantime, she is eligible to absentee vote based on her age alone and does not have to be indigent to do that.

    All I've got to say for the college students is "That's tough buddy, get used to 'life ain't fair'." The sooner they realize it, the better off they'll be. If they are fighting for our country, their military ID will suffice and I thank them for their service.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Aug 24, 2012, at 10:45 PM
  • I went looking to see if a college i.d. was considered a valid prof of identification in Tennessee. I could only find it as a secondary, not primary. If anyone has proof of that, please let us know.

    Since I was a college student in the 70's my college i.d. was only good for college events or places, maybe some discounts around town but NEVER was I allowed to use it when a valid proof of identification was needed.

    If someone can point to an official source that says a college i.d. is a primary form of identification to purchase a firearm, I would like to see it. Different States have different laws and a "gun" can mean different things in the eyes of the law (rifle vs handgun, semi-automatic vs automatic), but I would be highly disappointed if a college photo i.d. was acceptable.

    When I signed up for military service, I do not recall a college i.d. ever being discussed. They knew me down to my skivvies and beyond, so a college photo meant nothing.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM
  • A person has to present a photo ID in order to buy medication, take out a loan, board a plane, to legally drive a car, to rent or lease certain property, pick up concert tickets, write a check and many other things. I can't for the life of me figure out why all the fuss about being required to present one when you vote.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sun, Aug 26, 2012, at 12:02 PM
  • Tim, it's just more distraction by the left to avoid talking about their failed leader and his lack of vision. I have repeatedly asked for positives regarding the Obama administration in this thread and instead I get comments about George Bush, Ryan's latent racism and made up 80 year old aunts who live off the grid without ID's or social security numbers. Obama's aunt has the same problem with documentation I hear.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Aug 26, 2012, at 5:33 PM
  • This is not a made up aunt.She is real and she is not alone.She has a social security number.She has never driven and has no photo ID.She was told she needed a birth certificate as one of her documents of proof.We will go back to the DMV and try again

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 12:04 PM
  • When you hear people like Republican PA house leader Turzai state "voter ID law will help Romney win"it is sad. With Obama getting 98% of black vote,60-70% hispanic vote and leading Romney in double digits with women it is looking good for Obama.If Romney and Ryan dont start trying to appeal to these groups they will not win.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 1:09 PM
  • So, you think Romney should subdivide voters according to racial and gender divisions and pander to each. Wouldn't that be racist and sexist by definition. I don't need a politician that only sees me as a skin color or by what I have between my legs. We're all in this together.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Aug 27, 2012, at 5:56 PM
  • lets be real, good luck to your aunt. My 94 year young mother-in-law got her photo I.D. from Tennessee with no birth certificate and never drove day in her life.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 28, 2012, at 9:15 AM
  • Paul Ryan sponsored a bill with the crazy Todd Akin of Missouri, to "redefine rape". It has been his belief, and the Republican party platform, that abortion should be illegal even in the cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother. So, if your wife or daughter got raped and became pregnant, these Republicans want to make it a LAW, to then force the woman to have her rapists baby. The Republican party has really gone off the deep end.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 5:23 AM
  • Did anyone watch Paul Ryan's speech at the RNC last night? I would think that most Republicans would feel insulted when their V.P. candidate gives a high profile speech, but then blatantly tells lie after lie to his supporters. Is it ignorance, or do they just not care. For one Republican I talked to, it was the latter. When I pointed out to him the lies told by Ryan, his response was, "all politicians lie". So, I guess some conservatives have just given up. The end justifies the means? I don't get it. But back to Ryan's speech. First, wether or not you agreed with President Obama's auto industry "bailout", it did save G.M. and millions of jobs. Paul Ryan came out last night and attacked President Obama for the G.M. plant in Janesville that didn't make it and had to close its doors. The only problem is that it actually closed in 2008, when Bush was still president. He blamed Obama for the failed Simpson Bowles deficit-cutting commission, when Ryan himself voted against it. Ryan condemned the 2009 stimulus, when Ryan himself requested millions for his home district for "jobs creation". He told the lie about Obama's plan for Medicare. Ryan's plan for Medicare actually takes the about the same amount from the program (716 billion). The difference is, Ryan's cuts would be used for tax cuts for the wealthy, while Obama's cuts would not touch benefits. It would cut funds to insurance companies, at the same time, adding free preventive care and new prescription drug coverage. Those are just a few of Ryan's false statements last night.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Aug 30, 2012, at 6:47 PM
  • I actually did not get to see the Ryan speech because I was working, but I'm glad you listened carefully and compiled the list for us. I have to agree with your friend that all politicians lie, bend the truth, or conveniently leave out pertinent information. Sometimes they like to refer to it as "spin." Partisanship aside, I'm not sure a completely honest politician could get elected. A lot of people look at elections as a choice between two evils. You could rephrase it to be a choice between whose lies you want to believe. You may think that is cynical, but I believe it is naive to take any politician at face value. Ultimately you will vote for whoever's philosophy jives most with your own and like their lies better. While I agree with your friend's response, maybe the friend was just not interested in an in depth conversation about it and thus gave a cursory response. There's some quote that goes 'never discuss politics and religion in polite company' or something like that, but it does depend on the friend. Let's not even get started on the promises politicians don't keep.

    I am curious what politician you consider to be the most honest? It can be anybody current or past. For me, I would say it's Ron Paul. He is willing to say unpopular things and stays pretty consistent. It's refreshing but hasn't helped much in his Presidential efforts and hasn't endeared to the Republican establishment either. I don't completely agree with him either but I don't get the sense that he's holding anything back.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 5:27 AM
  • To use a popular, if not mandated statement for some political ads, "I'm Steve Mills and I approve of your response" cortnerkin.

    It is a sad state of affairs when politicians who speak their mind honestly can not get elected, but it has probably been a reality ever since politics began.

    The problem seem to be described by the saying, "you can't please everyone, all of the time" so they "spin" to try to identify with the most electorate.

    Neither party can truly, homestly, call the other one names when it comes to spin, hence the the friends response that all politicians lie. If you tell the truth and speak your mind HONESTLY, you may only be a campaign politician, but not an office holder.

    AND that is why some folks, maybe Ron Paul, know they have an extremely small chance to win but use the campaign venue as a way to get what they believe is important be said to a larger audience.

    Disclaimer: This is just my opinion. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 8:39 AM
  • I really only scratched the surface on the list of lies told by Ryan in his speech. Even the ultra-conservative Fox News channel reported that Ryan might have damaged his credibility, as some fact checking folks had the number of lies at over 20. Now I know all about the "spin". I've seen politicians on the Sunday morning talk shows get asked the same question 2 or 3 times, but they avoid answering it every time. It drives me crazy. And yes, most all politicians will dodge a question, or put their "spin" on an issue now and then. But I believe there is a difference between that stuff, and outright lies. And I'm sorry, but the vast majority of these lies are constantly coming from the Republican side. Another example would be the Romney television spot running right now claiming that President Obama gutted the work requirements from the 1996 welfare reform bill, thus trying to make him look like the "free govt. handout" guy. The ad is a lie and has been debunked by republicans and democrats, but Romney continues to run the ad, and use the false claim in his speeches. Where and when, do we draw the line between "spin", and outright lie. I haven't seen President Obama engaging in this behavior, but if you have any specific examples, please tell me. I guess since Republicans haven't been very excited about Romney from the start, I can see your "lesser of two evils" example working for them. Republicans have such a deep hatred for The President, that they will hold their nose and pull that lever for Romney no matter what. For Republicans, he's the equivalent to a woman's 3am bar pickup, he has a pulse and no visable cold sores. On the other hand, I will proudly vote for President Obama again. He's accomplished some great things, despite the Republicans fighting him tooth and nail on everything, and all the lies told about him.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 8:45 AM
  • I am proudly independent (not tied to any party) but when it comes down to the two National parties, I lean Republican.

    That said, I see Republican faults but if you don't see the same stuff coming out of the Democratic side RV, there will probably be no ability to seek common ground.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 10:22 AM
  • Steve, I gave a few specific examples of the lies coming from the Republican side. And I was really just commenting on Paul Ryan, since that's what this thread was about originally. I didn't even get into some of the vicious attacks on our President that I hear everyday from the right. They call him a Muslam, Commie, socialist, Marxist. And then there's the crazy birth certificate thing. You seem like a pretty smart guy, are you really falling for all that stuff? And again, it's what I hear all the time from Republicans....both sides tell these lies. I gave several examples from Romney and Ryan. If you are another that claims that Obama has lied in this same manner, then please give me some examples. Tell me about a television ad that he's running about Romney that tells outright lies like the ones Romney is running. If you can't back up your statements, than you are probably right, we won't find any common ground.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 11:18 AM
  • Even after Romneys speech we still dont know what he stands for.HE seems fake and not convincing.HE has no compassion for the poor.Clint Eastwood was embarrassing and vulgar.I think he is getting senile.Why did anyone pick him to speak he was a disaster.Ryans speech was 1 lie after another.Most Americans will see through this.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 3:18 PM
  • Romney also never mentioned Medicaid,social security, welfare, Afganistan, or Iraq.And for him to stand up and say we are less safe under Obama is unamerican. Who was president when Osama Bin Laden attacked America.It wasnt Obama.Who went after him when Bush stated it was not of interest to him.Romney also said troops should not be pulled from Afganistan in the past and last night republicans cheered when it was stated at the convention to bring them home.You cannot run a country like you run a business.Bain made over 300 million while over 2,000 lost jobs. He didnt creat jobs.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 5:41 PM
  • Mitt made his millions by dismantling American companies and sending their jobs overseas. All the while stashing his money in off shore accounts in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying his taxes. He's basically Donald Trump without the freaky hair. He changes his mind on major issues on an almost daily basis, I guess it depends on the crowd he's addressing, so I find it almost impossible to know where he actually stands on issues.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Aug 31, 2012, at 6:25 PM
  • It's pretty easy to tell when Obama is lying... his lips move. I'm sure you feel the same about Romney. There are plenty of FactCheck.org articles that detail the various distortions made by both sides including those regarding Mitt Romney's time at Bain. It really wouldn't do any good to post any of it here since you already know which lies you want to believe. Since more Americans were watching "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" than the RNC, I don't know if they'll see through it or not. Some of it is what you want to see - Romney changes opinions, Obama evolves. I see Obama as a red diaper baby. I don't hate him for it, but I think it forms his world view which is antithetical to mine. You guys have a negative opinion of Romney but I like the majority of what I have read about his life and I belive he'll be a good leader. Ryan's embellishments were minor to me. I'll still vote Romney/Ryan. Maybe he'll convert you guys during the debates. No matter who wins, my life will go on. My Presidential vote doesn't matter that much anyway. I live in a solidly red state. Obama has no prayer in carrying Tennessee.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 2:25 AM
  • Oh and Clint Eastwood rocks.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 2:27 AM
  • Obama may carry Tenn since a lot of voter ID laws are being struck down. Everyone is seeing through voter suppression.Tenn sure did use a lot of stimulus money from Obama. Ryan lied when he said the GM plant closed under Obama.He knows it closed under Bush.What does that tell people when more people watch HONEY BOO BOO than republican convention.Using his wife and her illiness for political gain still will not make people like Romney anymore.The republican party not only sees Obama as invisible like Eastwood but most other nonwhite americans also are also invisible to them.I dont think I saw more than a handfull of people of color there.No one remembers what Romney said at convention.Everyone is talking about what Eastwood said.It was a mistake to put him on stage.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 9:29 AM
  • Ryan was not trying to imply that Obama went there and shackled the door of the factory. He was referring to a campaign speech candidate Obama had made there where he said, "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.." Whether Bush was out the door or not, the factory didn't benefit from any Obama recovery. Hardly a "pants on fire" moment at any rate.

    Why are you so hung up on race? I know the Democrat party is historically very racist but this is crazy. The "handful of people of color" apparently were the ones making the speeches: Mia Love, Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, Susan Martinez, Ted Cruz to name a few. While Obama was still in is red diapers, George Romney was marching in support of Civil Rights. http://usvoternews.com/2012/04/09/political-action-committees-martin-luther-king...

    The Democrats gave us the KKK and Jim Crow laws. If you think that was ancient history, there was Orval Faubus who called out the National Gaurd in Little Rock, Bull Connor, and Robert Byrd, who recently died in office, filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and had been a KKK member. Do a little research on Al Gore, Sr.'s voting record on civil rights. This is the party you support so don't go throwing stones. It's not that we don't see people of color... it's that we don't see people as colors.

    You and I could only hope to be as successful and relevant as Eastwood at 82. I agree with what Eastwood said. Time to let the empty chair go.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM
  • https://ia700507.us.archive.org/23/items/RacistDemocraticPartyLogo/alabama_democ...

    Incidentally, I met a man on the square in Shelbyville that had an amazing story about how he made all of Clint Eastwood's movie. Seems like he said he had something to do with Elvis too.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 7:42 PM
  • How could that G.M. plant benefit from the Obama recovery when it closed before he even took office. Ryan was trying to put the blame on Obama for that plant closing. Obama did save the U.S. auto industry, and millions of jobs with it. Republicans hate that, of course. Anything that makes Obama look good just eats them up. No matter if it's a good thing for our country or not. Just like they can't admit that Bush handed Obama the worst economic disaster since The Great Depression. But then when Obama goes after and kills the number one terrorist in the world, Osama Bin Laden, they can't even give him credit for that. If Bush would have caught Bin Laden, Republicans would have been trying to carve his goofy mug into the side of Mount Rushmore.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 7:47 PM
  • If you think Obama's handling of GM was good, you definitely weren't a bond holder or a non-union pensioner. If you think GM is safe, I suggest you buy their stock... it's real cheap right now. GM would have survived a structured bankruptcy but not at tax payer expense. They may yet be headed for bankruptcy again as the problems of Europe are hitting them hard. The UAW was the real beneficiary at the estimated cost of $23 billion to taxpayers. I am sure the UAW members will vote for Obama since he already bought their vote with my money. Let's not forget Solyndra either.


    About the only thing positive in Obama's Presidency was the assassination of Bin Laden but that was followed by a slew of White House security leaks. I doubt the Pakistani doctor that helped find Bin Laden feels the Hope and Change. These leaks put our allies at risk and make other brave people afraid to cooperate with us. The White House rained on it's own parade there. Lets not forget the ongoing war in Afghanistan. Bush is a war monger but Obama gets a Nobel Peace Prize. I'm sure if Romney is elected, the MSM will resume full coverage of the war there.


    Speaking of Mount Rushmore... http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/1/rains-wash-away-m...

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 8:45 PM
  • The republican party of today is not the same party as George Romneys era.Their main purpose now is to block anything that has Obamas name on it. Even if it hurts the economy.Mitch MConnell even said so.Since every one can vote now the democratic party has also changed.I have never seen such disrespect for a president before Obama.Not even for Bush after his lies got us in 2 wars and a depression. The world is looking when people like Eastwood talks down to an invisible President Obama. When you start talking to invisible people in chairs it is time to go to a home.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 9:09 PM
  • I love it when I see someone driving a Chevy with some Republican campaign bumper sticker on it. G.M. has paid their loan back to the Govt., and is again recording profits. I really don't think bankruptcy would have been a good thing, in fact, most economists say that the U.S. auto industry would have gone belly up. So yes, it probably would be a good stock to buy right now if you like to play the stock market.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 PM
  • Factcheck that


    According to Special Inspector General for TARP's Quarterly Report presented to Congress last month: "In order to recoup its total investment in GM, Treasury will need to recover an additional $27 billion in proceeds. This translates to an average of $53.98 per share on its remaining common shares in New GM, not taking into account dividend and interest payments received from the GM entities."




    Whose lies do you want to believe?

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 1, 2012, at 10:59 PM
  • Oh no, Paul Ryan has exaggerated his marathon running prowess. Guess he is a compulsive liar. We can't let him get away with that. What was I thinking? http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-paul-ryan-exaggerates-his-marathonrun...

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 12:30 AM
  • Maybe you should talk to one of the millions of people that still have a job as a direct result of Obama helping out the auto industry.The factory workers, Parts stores, Dealerships, etc. Obama saves the U.S. auto industry and Republicans still want to find a way to say its a bad thing. I love it when I see a brand new Chevy Camero going down the road. I think Chevy has always made the finest vehicles and I'm glad to see that they are still here. I really think that if Obama found a cure for cancer, Republicans would find the downside. They would complain that it would hurt the pharmaceutical companies and put hospital employees out of work. Its really sad to see people put a political party before their own country.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 5:52 AM
  • Yes, politically protected groups did OK and the UAW contributes heavily to Dem candidates and Obama. Cronyism at its worst. Meanwhile, plenty of non-union people lost their jobs. Secured creditors and non-union pensioners got the shaft. Funny you bring up the Camaro which is assembled in Oshawa, Canada but don't let that interupt your flag waving. I'll take a Honda built in Ohio over that any day. I'm sure if someone did cure cancer, Obama would be quick to point out, "You didn't cure that. You had help along the way. Government grants, student loans, and roads to get to your lab."

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 2:31 PM
  • Just remember that General Motors is still an American company. Honda might have a plant here, but the billions of dollars in profit go back to Japan. So if you yourself are waving a flag, it must have a big red dot in it. And this "you didn't build that" remark that President Obama made, that republicans have so pathetically latched onto. Mitt Romney made the exact same statements to Olympic athletes. Romney told them that they didn't get there on their own, they had great teachers and coaches, people that built the infrastructure. Romney wasn't trying to take anything away from their accomplishments, and when Obama told business people the exact same thing, he wasn't trying to take anything from them either. He was making the same point as Romney, that it takes people working together to make this country great. But republicans used that "spin", and actually used it as a pathetic slogan at the RNC. No wonder nobody tuned in.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 3:56 PM
  • And your flag has a maple leaf? How many Canadian car manufacturers are building assembly plants in the US? Honda employs American citizens who pay taxes and deserve better than to have their tax money be used to bail out the UAW. Honda also generates about $2.3 million per year for Ohio State University College and donates to the local community. So what if a Japanese company generates a profit from investing in America. That's how capitalism works. How many people will be interested in investing in GM after Obama ripped them off? What do you have against the Japanese anyway? Shelbyville has a Calsonic arena. Did you build that? Any company that wants to come create jobs in America and help build our communities deserves our welcome not our derision.

    GM paid the Manchester United soccer team half a billion dollars to put Chevrolet on their jersys. That's from a company partially owned by the American taxpayers.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Sep 2, 2012, at 5:42 PM
  • Donations from large companies to their community organizations are common. General Motors donates about 4.5 million a year for college scholarships. Also millions to places like The United Kidney Foundation, and The Red Cross. And I have nothing against the Japanese. I only pointed out that Honda is a Japanese company and it's billions in profits do go back to Japan. Sorry if that offended you. So hop in your little Honda, tune in Rush Limbaugh on the AM radio, drive down to Wal-Mart, then maybe over to Chick-Fil-A for lunch, and have a nice day!

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 7:44 AM
  • And I was pointing out that America needs jobs and not just ones that the taxpayers directly purchase. I guess GM shouldn't have been giving all that money away since they went broke. I doubt you could offend me if you you tried but go ahead and make your assumptions about me. I'll honk if I see a gas guzzling Canadian made Camaro with an Obama/Biden sticker, listening to NPR and driving around the cemetery signing up dead people to vote or coming back from the unemployment office. Thank you, I will have a nice day.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Sep 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM
  • Obama's beliefs and resulting policy decisions are blatantly and unrepentedly socialist by their very nature. History itself offers irrefutable proof that socialism has led to the destruction of every society that has attempted it.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Mon, Aug 20, 2012, at 1:59 AM

    ...says a guy whose employer is a government agency! Takes a lot of brass to call someone a socialist, when your paycheck is provided by taxpayers.

    If Obama is any sort of socialist, he is quite possibly the worst socialist in history, considering the Fortune 500 have never had more cash on their books in history, still paying the EXACT same tax rates as when W left office (some even less) and the stock market is up SIXTY-FIVE PERCENT since W left office.. some socialist.

    -- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 16, 2012, at 5:12 PM
  • Well Mitt has opened his big mouth again.Check out his latest leaked video. From his own mouth states he is not concerned with 47% of americans who dont pay taxes,neither does he. He states they are unworthy americans.So if you are a senior on medicare or social security,disable or a veteran or poor and working more than one job he is not concerned about you because we consider ourselves victums and only wants handouts.The real Romney has spoken.I cant wait for tomorrow to hear him say it wasnt me on video.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Sep 17, 2012, at 7:32 PM
  • Where is this video available and is it a complete conversation or excerpts? I would be interested in seeing it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 6:10 AM
  • Excerpts of the video can be found on you tube, but a quick search did not show the complete video. I actually heard more on one of the morning talk shows. Personally I see where he is comimg from, we do have way to many folks dependant on the government not interested in personal responsibility. Right or wrong one of the ways it started was social security and medicare. It is a mutli-complex is and will not be solved by the upcomimg election. It will probably not be solved until people wake up and return to some of the core roots that made this country so great and prosperous, hard work and personal responsibility.

    -- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 3:28 PM
  • 47% of the people pay no income taxes, 25% of whom WORK, but do not make enough to pay....

    NINE out of the TEN top states that pay the LEAST income taxes are Republican states with Republican governors...

    Nobody seems to care about the facts associated with the demographics of those who make the least amount of money. Ironic though, the richest candidate for president in history is disenfranchising his key electorate.

    -- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 8:38 PM
  • I'm all for a flat tax, no exemptions, all paying equal amount of taxes no matter what you earn.

    -- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Sep 18, 2012, at 11:32 PM
  • Could you share where you got the facts on "NINE out of the TEN top states that pay the LEAST income taxes"? I must not be searching correctly.

    From what I have read about a flat tax, it would be less than what we are paying now, so....it sounds intriguing.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 8:09 PM
  • How can Mitt talk about anyone not paying taxes when he makes millions and dont pay his fair share.That is why he invest in other countries. Most of us pay payroll taxes.Some of these people are seniors,veterans,the disable and ones who work and dont even make enough to pay taxes.Mitt and the ones at that dinner laughing have no idea what it is like to make less in 1 year than the cost of their $50.000 meal.That video showed his true nature. America saw the real Mitt.Now other top republicans are distancing themselves from him.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Sep 19, 2012, at 9:02 PM
  • What is his "fair share"? To my knowledge, he has not been accused of tax evasion, so his deductions must be legal.

    The democrats have controlled the House 70-79% of the time so they made most of the tax laws, so.......what is a fair share? Whatever you choose, should apply to everyone, to be fair. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 20, 2012, at 7:56 AM
  • I have no problem with Romney's 47% remarks. I have more of a problem with that 47% demanding that those of us that are paying for the federal government kick in even more. The timing of the release of this tape made in March tells me everything I need to know. The press was suddenly faced with the prospect of covering actual news with reports that we received warnings days in advance of the terrorist attacks in Libya and Egypt on the 9/11 anniversary not to mention the administrations ridiculous claim that these attacks were solely due to an amateur movie trailer on Youtube since July. Suddenly this tape magically appears and the MSM are able to go back telling us how rich and evil Romney is. OWS: "We are the 99%." Romney: "Nah, more like the 47%."

    Progressives (for as long as I can remember): "People are entitled to food, healthcare and a place to live."

    Romney: "Some people feel they are entitled to food, healthcare and a place to live."

    Progressives (now): "That evil Romney says people feel entitled to food, healthcare and a place to live."

    President Hope & Change told Univision yesterday, "The most important lesson I've learned is that you can't change Washington from the inside." Next he'll tell us that Hope is a pipe dream and we'll have to settle.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 5:34 PM
  • The phrase we cant change washington from the inside came from Romney during his 2008 campaign.Seniors showed Ryan today at AARP they are not falling for his lies.Did you see his face when he was booed? All americans need to be concerned that if by some miracle Romney wins Ryan will only be a heart beat away from the oval office. This should be a wake up call to all Americans not just the 47%.We use to be a country that helped each other not every man stand along.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Sep 21, 2012, at 8:27 PM
  • This used to be a country where a Democrat President said things like "Ask not what your country can do for you..." instead of trying to convince us the federal government can or even should do everything for us. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Seniors can boo since they got theirs. It's those of us in the younger generations who will be paying the price.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 11:53 AM
  • And you will pay a big price for your insurance when you become a senior under Romney.That little voucher he will hand you will not even begin to pay for your medical care. And heaven help those that have a pre-existing disease. With out medicare if you do get insurance it will cost you more than your retirement check.It's the younger generation that will pay a very big price.Romneys plan will only benefit the insurance companies.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 2:30 PM
  • I won't become a senior under Romney. I still have many years of working to support the 47% before I retire. Medicare will be bankrupt before I qualify. In fact, I'm so young that by the time I retire, all the freebies (if there are any left) will be means tested, and fools like me who work and save and invest will be SOL. I will always pay a big price because I am one of the 53%. Todays seniors can boo all they want, but it's their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will suffer. Paul Ryan's plan certainly doesn't offer me any great boon, since I will retire with means, other than to ensure that the social safety net will still be there should I or anybody else need it.


    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 5:35 PM
  • Of the 47% Romney is talking about 18% is working and paying payrole taxes as you are.The rest are seniors, veterans,disable people and people who make so little they cant afford to pay.I will bet Romney gets a big tax refund.I am one of the 47% who work every day for the last 35 years. I pay taxes just like the 53%.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 10:32 PM
  • I pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc in addition to a crapload of INCOME tax so cry me a river about how much the 47% contribute. The main point is we that have an electorate composed of a large group of people whose main interest in voting is to ensure their own government entitlements. I don't take issue with people being poor - I take issue with people who want to "tax the rich" while at the same time not contributing to the cost of the federal government. As one of the 53%, I am concerned how the money I contribute gets spent whether under Bush, Obama or Romney. Obama has turned politics into the haves vs the have-nots with his fair share and redistribution rhetoric. What Romney would like to see is a lot more people become haves rather than have-nots.

    Romney likely pays his taxes quarterly or has an accountant cut a check to pay a lump sum. He doesn't have an employer subtracting it from a check. Tax refunds are generally stupid because it indicates you overpaid not that you won the lottery.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sun, Sep 23, 2012, at 11:32 AM
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