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Steve Mills

The second Presidential debate. Did you hear what you expected?

Posted Friday, October 12, 2012, at 4:17 PM
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  • I think Romney will do well in this debate. He has success from the 1st debate on his side, and I think Obama will be much more defensive.

    The congeniality will be there, but will be very insincere.

    These debates have been very interesting to watch. I am surprised by how much of a difference they seem to make this election.

    -- Posted by wildwoman on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 6:36 AM
  • I think the somber,restrained attitude of Barack was planned for the first debate so Mitt can show his colors and Barack can attack him on what he said...Barack will come over as strong and knowledgeable of the facts in this debate and will attempt to draw out specifics from Mitt...our leaders need to stop all this hate party mongering and sit together and fix the economy and the job issues...neither one have mentioned much about infrastructure or high speed rail which would fix this economy and jobs.....I paid more for electricity this past month then half my rent.......something needs to give before we all are living in the woods....they really need to focus more on us here at home then every one else out there in the world...still not convinced if I will even bother with voting...just not seeing wisdom in it all...Instead of a Democrat or Republican Bipartisan agenda a coming together debate at this day and time would make a difference...can't we all just get along!

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 7:33 AM
  • Since the economy is getting better all Romney has to talk about is Libya.He does not even know all the facts yet.Parents of the slain americans there are pleading for it to stop being made political.We were clearly warned in a memo to Condi Rice about potential attacks with commercial planes and nothing was done.Democrats joined with republicans to go after Bin Laden.Now look at Romney and republicans in this election after they voted to cut funding for our embassies.Romney wont be able to use the 8% unemployment anymore.Romney wont even touch womens rights.Lets see if he reverse his policys on questions asked via the audience Tuesday night.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 15, 2012, at 10:27 AM
  • Parents like Karen and Billy Vaughn?



    Meanwhile, another of Obama's green energy investments goes belly up. A123 Systems received $249.1 million in federal grant money in 2009, not to mention another $140 million in tax credits and subsidies from the state of Michigan. I wonder how much their CEO David Vieau contributed to Obama's re-election. "...you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers."


    There is no point in bringing up Libya since Clinton is taking the blame. Blaming others is what Obama is best at. Apparently when the 3AM call came in to the White House, Obama said "Hillary, it's for you."


    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 12:56 PM
  • Will Romney try to tell the truth this time? Obama had a huge challenge preparing for the last debate, how could he know which Romney would show up, and which of his multiple stands he would back. Facts have shown Romney will say ANYTHING depending on whom he speaking to...... I just hope both men bring honest facts, that they honorably answer the questions and not smile and say what ever they want to fill their two minutes with. I hope the moderator holds them to the time limits and to the questions as they are asked and does not allow the total disrespect and rudeness shown by Romney last time. I hope Obama brings his back bone and calls out Romney on his lies this time. SO hears to an honest, respectful factual debate. We have had enough of the fear mongering BS in the last one.

    -- Posted by jstus on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 3:08 PM
  • Mr. Obama came on stronger. I am not sure it was too respectful or 100% factual but facts in politics are always in the eye of the beholder and the spin-doctors.

    I would say the Obama camp should be happier with their candidates performance.

    Was their a winner or loser?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 6:51 AM
  • As usual, the only losers are the American people. I still believe after watching the debate and listening to the debate, Mitt Romney is more qualified to be the president of the US. Obama and his 'plan' has not changed much of anything. When you compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, you will see which one knows how to create jobs. For me personally, I have a great job - working from home. I created the job, pay my quarterly taxes and have very little job expense. I used my own brain and my own means($$$) to do this. I am both successful and satisfied. I know everyone cannot do this for various reasons, however, we can make and keep promises and policies that help everyone have a job -- no matter what and where it is. We deserve a better deal than we have gotten over the last four years and I do not see Obama capable of changing the present path. I see him only making it worse. JMHO

    -- Posted by decorate1956 on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 9:09 AM
  • Mitt Romney looked like a bad used car salesman. Spewing his B.S. and trying to sell the same old failed republican policies that caused the economic meltdown that our President inherited. Unemployment is still going down, the economy is growing, we've had 31 straight months of jobs growth, the U.S auto industry was saved, Bin Laden is dead and Al Qeada has been crushed, and President Obama ended the unnesssry war in Iraq. Why would anyone want to go back to the disasterous republican policies that President Obama has spent the last 4 years digging us out of?

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 12:34 PM
  • I get so tired of hearing about what Obama inherited. One of the greatest Presidents that this country has had in my lifetime inherited an economy much worse than Obama, and not once did you ever hear, while he was attempting to right the ship, blame on the past president. Obama can't fix the problem, so what do people especially children do when they feel overwhelmed, they blame the problem or the person they perceive as the creator of the problem. What has he done economically to help anyone? Millions of dollars in green energy, BUST, billions in the auto industry, GM and Chrysler still no where near the top of auto sales in America, Toyota and Nissan still beating the crap out of them. Green cars, what a joke, GM looses $75,000 per Volt sold, that's a real nice economic strategy for our tax dollars, we do own the company by the way. And A health care bill that cost more by the hour. Foreign policy that is akin to sticking his head in the sand, I was going to say sticking it somewhere else but there may be women reading this. He has a plan for America, and it's working alright. Look up some of his speeches from his past, his policies are doing exactly what he has stated he wanted to do to this country. Put us on the same playing field as Europe. He's doing a **** good job of it.

    -- Posted by docudrama on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 2:19 PM
  • I am not sure the Republicans can take all the blame for the economic woes. There is plenty of blame on all sides, and around the world, but I sure would not have wanted to be a new President coming in at that time. I think Mr. Obama should get some credit for having been hit with it.

    Bin Laden is dead but I think history shows that BOTH parties had a shot at him and I am not sure it was a "party" decision that took him out. It was a decision that had to be made regardless of who was president.

    And I am not so sure that al-Qaeda is crushed. They are now acknowledging that the latest killing of our ambassador was terrorist oriented and probably al-Qaeda so....

    It probably does not matter what you call them (at least to me). A terrorist is a terrorist and they will probably always exist somewhere, somehow. All we can do is keep trying to stop them.

    So, right now the debate seems to be a draw. One for both side.

    For those curious, I do have an opinion, but I choose to "moderate" this and not actively take sides. You might get a feeling for where I am, but I take the term independent seriously so it is not a "party thing" for me.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 2:29 PM
  • I think Romney held his own against his opponent Candy Crowley. He managed to get a jab or two in at Obama as well. Obama performed better than last time when he just laid there, but just acting awake would have accomplished that. People I know that support Obama were very happy with how he did and people I know that support Romney thought he won. The undecided should just flip a coin at this point.

    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 4:20 PM
  • I hope women really heard what Romney said.Plus he lied about going to a company to hire women,they came to him.Romney did not look good last night,so now republicans blame the moderator.Romney dont sound convinced about his own policies.Romney did not support the The LillyLedbetter Act.Romney thinks viagra should be covered under insurance but not birth control.Your boss should not be the one to decide this.This is 2012 not 1940s.His answer to health care is the emergency room.He will take us backwards.His Libya response backfired big time.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Oct 17, 2012, at 8:23 PM
  • You answered your own question, Steve. And it is obvious in the responses on here, everyone heard what they wanted to hear.

    I wanted to turn it off after about 5 minutes. What I don't want to hear is Obama distorting what Romney plans, and Romney distorting Obama's record. I want to hear them defend their own plans and record. But then I remembered that was what Obama did in the first "debate" and everyone called it a disaster. So we all get what the people, in all their "wisdom" demand. Rhetoric and distortion.

    The only honest answer of the night? When they were asked how we would draw back the outsourced jobs that went to countries with incredibly low labor costs, Obama said outright. "Some of those jobs will never come back." And they won't. There is nothing we can do to make it so "attractive" to do business in America that it will be worth paying $14 an hour, or $10, or even $8 for labor that can be had for fifty cents or a dollar a day from the children of overseas slum dwellers. (Not to mention how much cheaper it is to do production without any safety measures in place.)

    If you really listen to what little was said, the two candidates are offering virtually the same plan, excepting a few details. Well, actually Romney offers no details, a wise strategy since he has no record as president to look at. Obama has no choice but to offer details because he has a record.

    Obama wants to raise the tax rate on the wealthy. Romney wants to lower the tax rate, but still tax the wealthy by removing unspecified deductions. Obama wants to increase domestic oil production, and has. Now we are an oil exporting country and gas is still $4 a gallon. Romney wants to increase oil production even more by giving the oil industry free reign over public lands, and i am sure he will. We will export even more oil, and still pay $4 a gallon for gas... made from our own oil. They both want to see equal opportunity for women, a path to permanent residence for the children of illegal immigrants, and more jobs, jobs, jobs. Romney, in an enlightened moment, speaks the honest truth; the government cannot create jobs. Of course, then he tells us he will create jobs, because... he "knows how to do that." Guess what. Our economy is struggling because the whole world's economy is struggling. We can elect Obama, Romney, or Justin Bieber. Our economy will improve as the world's economy improves. And if it improves under the next administration, for a generation we will revere Justin Bieber as one of the great presidents... until future historians point out that he is an empty headed teenage singer who just happened to be in the right place at the right time.

    All this angst, all this anger, and we are going to choose between two candidates whose actual administrations will differ little. What America really needs is for the two parties to drop all this selfish party-centric focus and compromise to find real solutions to real problems. Because nation-before party attitudes and compromise are what characterize the true statesmen, whose achievements retain their credibility once they have passed into history.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 12:52 AM
  • And talk about lying ... and he(Clinton) is the endorsement???!!! just remember..............

    Did you know that Bill Clinton was suspended from practicing law in Arkansas?

    He also paid a $25,000.00 fine there. This was all over the Lewinski incident.

    He also paid an $850,000.00 settlement over the Lewinski incident.

    He was also disbarred from practicing law in front of the Supreme Court.

    So Bill Clinton, a disbarred lawyer, a President who was impeached for lying

    under oath, asks the American people to believe him when he says the best thing

    for the Country is 4 more years of Obama.

    With friends like that, does Obumma need further endorsements?

    -- Posted by decorate1956 on Thu, Oct 18, 2012, at 7:59 AM
  • Clinton was one of the best presidents we ever had.Look at his favorabilty rating,over 56%.If every president that had affairs was impeached,that would include about 3/4 of them.Many of them had children by their slaves,or had sex in the whitehouse,that was covered up at the time.Clintons was made public for political purposes.If Romney is elected he will be remembered for the biggest liar.He has changed his position on womens health 4 or 5 times in the last 2 years.How can you trust someone will say any thing to get in the white house.Did you hear what Ann Romney said on The View,That he was prochoice while running as prolife.What does that mean?Mitt looks like the boss everyone hates,Stiff ,no feelings,cold and uncaring.His face doesnt show what he is saying.When asked why he or his sons never served thier country in armed forces,his answer was they serve their country by campaigning Romney avoided Vietnam by lounging in the country side of France.But he is ready to go to war if elected and send others.The only people Romney has in his favor is a few males.When you have to fly in people of color to sit behind you when you speak you are in trouble.When asked about gun control his answer was "single women need to get married".How can he not support equal pay fo women.We will go backwards if he is elected.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:14 AM
  • Oh and lets rejoice,unemployment fell in 7 swing states.Looking better for Obama.From what I hear about voting,voter suppression is not working.Thousands have voted early despite all the laws against early voting.I cant understand why early voting upsets some people.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 5:46 PM
  • I am so sorry for you, from the tone of your comments, you seem to be the only one upset. I still say, "if" you will study the facts and not make decisions on the way anyone looks, you will find Mitt Romney more capable of turning this country and our dire need of jobs around than Obama --- Obama is heading toward socialism so fast it will make your head spin. If that happens, the rich get poor and the poor get poorer. I, frankly, do not want to give up any more of what I have worked for than I have to. Everyone who is capable of working should be making their own way, not depending on the government for a hand out.

    -- Posted by decorate1956 on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 9:58 PM
  • What does everyone think about Sensata plant closing in Ill.This is owned by Bain capital.Mitt made millions.His company had chinese people flown in to be trained by these workers.Now the plant is closing and going to China.Bain owned 51%.This is just a sample of what america will become if he is elected.Even the Salt Lake news in Utah is not endorsing him.Seems they dont like the many faces of Mitt.This was how he made his fortune through Bain by buying plants and keeping them open a few years,then closing them after a big prophet. Moving them over seas for cheaper wages,taking with it workers pensions.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 19, 2012, at 11:13 PM
  • Considering Romney left Bain over 12 years ago and his assets are managed in a blind trust, blaming Romney for Sensata sounds desperate. I'm sure you don't take issue with the campaign contributions Bain execs have made to Obama. I'm way more ****** about A123 Systems, Solyndra and the other green energy debacles the President sunk my tax money into and put my children in debt for. If Obama wants to try being a venture capitalist, let him do it with his own money after we fire him.


    -- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Oct 20, 2012, at 2:49 AM
  • If Romney doesnt know where or how his money is spent,then he doesnt need to be president of The United States.But he knows where it is hidden,not in America.And yes he should be responsible for information on his blind trust.Your children were put in debt from 2 unnecessary wars and Bush tax cuts.I dont think Obama is going to be fired.I dont think Romney will be hired,since voter suppression laws ,all 140 of them since 2011 are not upheld by higher courts.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Oct 21, 2012, at 8:27 PM
  • Again, please study the facts. I recall when Obama was asked in the last debate about his pension investments, his very words "he did not know where "his" money was [ either ] oh well, you just keep singing the same old tune and soon you will have to accept reality. Romney "is" the best man for President of the United States. There are enough people who are sick and tired of this retoric of Obama's that the change will finally come. See you at the polls.

    -- Posted by decorate1956 on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 5:24 PM
  • Thank you I have already voted along with 11 new registered voters.A lot of us dont know about who invest in our pension plans.That is not the same as investing your money in foreign countries.We are talking about millions.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 22, 2012, at 7:35 PM
  • -Perhaps one of the Romney fans here can help with this question--- WHAT accomplishment does he have to his credit that were for the the real citizens of this country ( not the extreme rich or corporations)? How has he represented US the people who make this country run? Not what does he oppose, what will he repeal, or how he hates Obama but actual - factual things/ accomplishments. Instead of why not vote for Obama why should we vote for Romney? I have asked this and seen it asked many times, the answers have all been evasions of the questions, hate rhetoric towards Obama or more ranting about abortion. Not once has there been any actual, fact based reason why Romney is the man for us..... SO ???? anyone up to the challenge? This guy wants US to give him the most important job in this country yet he has not seen fit to provide us with anything to tell us why he is the best - only reasons not to vote for the other guy, personally I expect more than just being told to do so.

    -- Posted by jstus on Sun, Oct 28, 2012, at 9:29 PM
  • My question to you before I try is: Did you vote for Obama the first time around? He was elected on an empty canvas of having to show proof of anything that qualified him to be the leader of our country for which he did not do. Just curious --- "If you did vote for him and can tell me why", then I will go to the trouble of helping you understand the differences in where our country is headed in the next four years and beyond with Obama in office. Thank you for getting past all the attitudes and wanting to have real answers before casting your vote.

    -- Posted by decorate1956 on Mon, Oct 29, 2012, at 7:30 AM
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