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Steve Mills

Pseudoephedrine vs. methamphetamine

Posted Friday, June 28, 2013, at 12:51 PM
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  • I think it should federally be outlawed without another second going by...I have worked with children whose parents had the addiction and seen the ramifications and even death first hand...It cost billions of dollars to deal with the clean up, housing addicts,the years involved in dealing with those effected from it, not to mention the lives of law enforcement having to deal with the fallout, follow up when addicts get released, and go right back too it, then have to deal with things like robbery and break-in for those having to support their habits.....etc, etc, etc, and on , and on, and on....and I didn't even mention the risk associated with trying to live in a peaceful community (I'll try not to even go there "yet")....can you tell I got my feathers ruffled!...all over a little red pill.....sometimes we have to live without to keep the peace and make do with whats available for the safety and welfare of others...If it's allowed at all it should be by prescription only at the least, and knowing the billions and risk politicians should have already done so...It don't take rocket science to see this issue...Ok I am done (for now)....sure hope your allergies get worked out my friend...I got them too...and nothing personal...I am actually thankful you started this blog post so I could rant a little....so thanks!!!

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 1:57 PM
  • I agree with you Steve. I also wonder what is done with the information pharmacies collect when you purchase it now.

    Additional laws will not stop law breakers from breaking the law!

    -- Posted by bbbluebird on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 2:37 PM
  • Getting to rant is not a bad thing. I sometimes do it as well. :-)

    I just don't see how it will help going to prescription. They can't control prescriptions either based on what you hear is taken off the streets all the time.

    Will it become the next money maker for the cartels? I am not convinced it will make much difference. Some people seem to want to escape reality and some are just plain dumb.

    Some times I just get fed up with having to adjust because some people are out of control.

    If we had the cure for cancer and people could have it over the counter, someone would find a way to mutate it and we would all have to go back to the threat of and dealing with cancer.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM
  • Just because they make it so you have to have a prescription is not going to stop the meth problem. There are people who doctor shop so they can get pills to sell. And besides, the meth makers will just figure out another way of making it but with more dangerous chemicals.

    Take a look at the bath salt epidemic. They are illegal to sell/buy. But they are still sold in stores. They are just relabeled under a different name. When I was 20-something, I used to take something called 2-ways. It was basically a legal form of speed. I bought it at the gas stations. It was able to be sold because it stated it was "asthma medicine."

    Just like all of the other illegal drugs, there is no way to stop them as long as there is a market for them.

    -- Posted by -Beth- on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 4:20 PM
  • Steve, I have bought these products to fight allergy problems.They already make you feel like a criminal having to show you DL and putting you in a data bank.Just shows how a few people in the world make it hard on law abiding citizens.Why punish me and make me spend $125 to go to the Dr. to get script? Like the gun issues ,crooks will have guns when they take them from everyone else.Illegal drug manufactures will make something else if they can't cook Meth.It just burns my rear when the government get involved in my everyday life.They can't take care of the problems they have so they create more problems.

    -- Posted by kings11 on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 6:54 PM
  • Here in the West, Utah in particular, we would hear about a new meth lab being busted at least once a week.That was about 10 years or so ago.Now not so much. The reason? It certainly isn't because of the main ingredient being sold behind the counter, and the recording of the transactions.Out here it seems the cartels you mentioned have absorbed this nasty scourge to sell to the American addicts.The Internet has a role in this as well,because it is fairly easy to buy the ingredients from Mexico via the www. route.

    -- Posted by mdstover on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 9:27 PM
  • I still keep weighing in my mind which is better allowing all the billions of monies being spent on the risk of fighting the crimes housing the offenders, and the destruction of lives and children caught up in it all with memories that last a lifetime for the sake of dealing with a seasonal allergy - or- just outlawing the stuff resulting in lives spared, monies for other things to make our communities safer, giving children a better chance for a future etc.....I find it really simple to weigh that decision, regardless of how I am affected by it not being available.

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 10:01 PM
  • What effect do you think a city ordinance requiring a prescription would have? Are you aware that the maximum penalty a city can impose is a $50 fine? City ordinances cannot impose jail time. And just how would this toothless law be enforced? Will the city add more police or detectives? What kind of idiots are running Winchester and Estill Springs?

    The issue here is not really whether the medicine should be available OTC; it is whether there is any point in having city ordinances regulating medicines.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jun 28, 2013, at 11:06 PM
  • chefgrape, While we do not know each other, (or maybe we do, but...) you probably know me well enough to guess that I am not insensitive to your concerns. "destruction of lives and children caught up in it all with memories that last a lifetime" is certainly a tragedy.

    However, this seems to be a futile act of throwing band-aids on a slit jugular artery. It will not stop it, especially when people seem bent on slitting themselves again with a different knife.

    What it does is take a useful tool for many (my allergic-rhinitis is chronic, all year long)and make it more difficult or expensive for us to access. At least for those of us who are law abiding folks. The illegal folks will just shift to another substance or source through another avenue.

    What would be great would be to find out why people go to hallucinogens, pain killers, uppers, downers, etc. and resolve their issues. But, the reasons are so varied that it is extremely hard to get a bead on it.

    Besides my chronic rhinitis, I have chronic pain and I could easily become addicted to pain medicines, but somewhere in my emotional fabric there is woven an intense desire to avoid dependency. That is why I often stop my pseudoephedrine and seek other OTC medicines and/or natural remedies to see if I can change up.

    To some folks it is the escape of reality that is so sweet that they want more. I understand that meth will give you great euphoria but then a rebound of great despair. The despair is so intense that you are driven back to seeking the euphoria.

    Truly evil, so why do people take the chance of doing it even once. Are they not informed, don't believe or life is so bad?

    Is there a way to identify an addictive personality and give them more attention during childhood?

    I know there are numerous efforts to educate our youth about the dangers but some don't hear, understand or care, so.... wouldn't it be great if everyday people, discussing an everyday blog about drugs abuse came up with a viable solution that has not been tried before?

    Sorry, I am doing my own kind of hallucinating. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 11:20 AM
  • I know there are different opinions and reasons and most vary understandable differences...chronic pain for instance I live with it daily because of a type of bone cancer I'm dealing with and for those that have never had to deal with chronic pain, cancer or be scared enough thinking their life is over it would be extremely difficult for them to even start to comprehend the deep frustration and solitude of a dying feeling...I totally understand the reasons and compassion one might have for an issue...my passions have even changed since I was diagnosed...and sometimes I even have a hunger for wanting to choke the living stuffings outta some for saying or doing things that mainly affect others when they simply can't feel what's in my mind...my passions have turned into a greater understanding that we all have and can make a difference by the words and actions of a humbled attitude, especially toward each other....if together we could cure cancer and pain or even stop those who misuse their lives that they have been given from total destruction. I now am all for it, when at one time I could have cared less what others were even doing...I do understand how others feel now...almost like I am super sensitive...and because of these passions I have to be aware of my words and actions as if to not create just another scare....I had tried to understand with frustration sometimes, why more effort has not been placed on issues I'm more passionate about when I have seen and felt destruction first hand...so I am sure on some issues I get vary compassionate about but at the same time I understand there are reasons for the difference....I believe whole heartedly that this difference creates change, and that it takes the opinions of sometimes many sides to get the right fix which in turn balances our lives....I will always feel compassion for those who have a need to be self destructive without regard, to the point that it effects the path of others...And I am totally awestruck at those who have the talent to open the doors of discussion if only to inform the lives of others...there is no longer a hunger to be right with me only a desire to learn the opinions of others so that I may love deeper!

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 1:24 PM
  • Just legalize all the drugs, then pharmaceutical companies will make it instead of backyard cooks that endanger everyone around them.

    Drugs are only a symptom of a deeper underlying problem with addicts anyway.

    Legal drugs would be cheaper, meaning addicts wouldn't need to rob or steal (as much) to get their fix, and there wouldn't be killings over drug turf (when was the last drive by done by a moonshiner?)

    As for children of addicts, legalization wouldn't change anything. They could still be removed for dependant neglect just as they are now.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jun 29, 2013, at 3:56 PM
  • As someone whose allergies are best managed by a daily pseudoephedrine and anti-histamine, I am very disturbed by the mere suggestion that access to the drug be by prescription only.

    My biggest concern, is that it would cost me more time and more money to get a drug that is dirt cheap and relatively safe when used properly. As annoyed as I am with current process, I would be even grumpier if I had to deal with a doctors visit AND bill and, quite likely, a price increase.

    Steve, you are right none of the other decongestants work as well as pseudoephedrine, most not even remotely so. Even the old, and now unavailable, PPA(phenylpropanolamine), wasn't as good. I couldn't take that one anyway. It didn't agree with me at all.

    -- Posted by malamutemom on Sun, Jun 30, 2013, at 9:50 PM
  • There is really no substantial amounts of meth made in the states these days. Five years ago people could obtain pills and chemicals cheaply, manufacture their own dope, and developed quite the appetite for it. Pills became next to impossible to obtain, and U.S. meth became a thing of the past. The cartels already had distribution networks for coke, weed, and heroin and jumped on this.multi billion dollar opportunity. Ten dollars of dope cost over one hundred and twenty five. Billions of U.S. dollars are going to Mexico and its cartels. The honest Mexicans are being overtaken by the cartels and corrupt politicians. The dope is coming north faster than ever before and our money is going south. Seriously, it doesn't take much logic to see that this has been a failed attempt, and we need to pull our heads out and do something to stop it.

    -- Posted by GONorman on Mon, Jul 1, 2013, at 11:01 PM
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