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Steve Mills

Any other voting issues needing to be discussed before Nov 4th?

Posted Tuesday, October 28, 2014, at 8:58 AM
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  • As a chef I will say that "Wine in Grocery Stores" would be convenient. We might resemble a normal 2014 city if we had a few of the modern conveniences like that. I'm remembering when Tullahoma took off and got a few more businesses when a liquor by the drink issue was present, we ran a little behind in growth if I recall correctly. I was going to ride my horse into town to pick up a few bottles of wine, but they wanted a parade permit to do so in this horse town,imagine that! At least the gas prices are the lowest they have been in 4yrs. that helps a little...

    I hope I can early vote still...I headed there yesterday but could not find a parking spot, then realized it was Monday and court was most likely the reason there were no spaces.

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM
  • Better watch out, they will limit wine on horses. LOL

    I got a few bottles of wine from a bartender at a business social a few weeks back. After tasting it, I think using it in cooking is the best option.

    Organic wine seems to work for me but if they add any extra preservatives I have to decline. They do not play nice with my allergies.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 10:42 AM
  • There was an inexcusable situation with a student I heard of.... One of the teachers told him that President Obama has purposely brought Ebola to our country to reduce the population...... A TEACHER that is completely unacceptable to have done !!! How dare they be be filling the heads of middle school students ( or any for that matter) with such propaganda and lies. It is NOT THE PLACE of a teacher to be be planting their political views on the students and that does not make a difference of their party views NO teacher Dem/Rep/ or other should do that !!!

    -- Posted by jstus on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 11:37 AM
  • Anyone, especially a teacher is way out of line to say something like this. Even though I am not a supporter of Mr. Obama, it is unconscionable that a sane person would suggest this.

    However, unless you heard it directly from the teacher, I would suggest that the actual statement has probably been unintentionally modified.

    Having been through Masters classes in Psychology and several counseling programs for working with troubled youth, I have seen how dramatically a story can change with just one person.

    The reasons for it happening are many, but I have seen where the description of a mugging changed who had the gun in their hand with the very first recounting of the story.

    By the time the story had gone through 4 people all the fifth could say was that something happened, but they had no idea what. This was using students who were instructed carefully to listen to details!

    So hopefully, this event with the teacher was "heard" incorrectly.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 1:03 PM
  • That's the most ridicules thing I've heard in awhile, if a teacher really said that then they ain't got much smarts...like he's responsible..Ha..His brain doesn't work that way...if he's running a country he doesn't even have time to think harm to someone...that's just stupid...next I'll be hearing he's got 637 kids no one new about that he had with his 43 wives that were never disclosed. He is from outer space though, that's a fact..and he has 6 toes on his left foot, I've seen the x-ray on that there examiner magazine cover.

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 2:13 PM
  • Having moved from California, where there were several full aisles of discounted wine in the supermarket, to a dry county in Tennessee, where wine couldn't be purchased anywhere, I must say Tennessee has come a long way with the introduction of this current legislation. Unfortunately it comes at a price..........A surcharge. Supermarket wine, from what I understand, will have a 15% markup over and above liquor store prices and then the tax on top of that. Not the same concept as the rest of the states that sell wine in grocery stores. I can see picking up a bottle with the groceries every now and then...... But as expensive as wine is in Tennessee, it is unfortunate to see the price increase even more. However, that is what it took to get the industry to agree to broaden the sales base.

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 7:20 PM
  • I did not know about the extra 15%. What a deal our lawmakers made. I wonder what they will do with the extra money?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM
  • I have found a few great bottles of wine locally here...the upper common wines like Australian, Kendell Jackson and a few Sonoma valley wines are readily available, which are great for cooking with, but the finer ones(those priced say above 30 bucks) some are not all that tasty..the real expensive ones (French, Rothchild etc.) deserve a refined palette to appreciate and a pocketful of gold to buy...

    One of the wines I use a lot for red sauce (Marinara sauce, spaghetti sauce) is cheap ($4.00) but full of flavor and it takes very little but makes all the difference in flavor,... its Manischewitz Concord Grape wine, when cooking fish or seafood its usually Chardonnay for a touch of sweetness or Chablis if its got some heat in it or I'm wanting a dryer more subtle taste.

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Wed, Oct 29, 2014, at 12:59 PM
  • A friend of mine who used to work as a bartender once told me her opinion was that you should either pay less than $12 or more than $100 for a bottle of wine. She said for everyday use, inexpensive wines are just fine, and of course there are times when you might want to splurge on some really fine wine, but she felt that anything in between $12 and $100 was just overpriced and pretentious.

    -- Posted by jcarney on Thu, Oct 30, 2014, at 9:57 AM
  • If I paid more then $100 it would have to have bubbles and tickle my nose when I sip it. Ha!

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Thu, Oct 30, 2014, at 10:17 AM
  • But over !00$ isn't overpriced and pretentious ?????

    The math makes no sense to me.

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Oct 30, 2014, at 12:29 PM
  • I am guessing the opinion was basically that wine in between those prices was actually the $12 variety but they were raising the price because of marketing not a real difference in the taste.

    I would hope there was more difference and if it did not give me a headache and stop my sinuses, I would think it is pretty good, regardless of price.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Oct 30, 2014, at 1:26 PM
  • I would say about the president that that action would not be out of the ordinary for him and the White House remarks about Netenyahu (sp)were inexcusable.

    -- Posted by cherokee2 on Thu, Oct 30, 2014, at 2:17 PM
  • Sounds like the a slow news day for the reporter.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Oct 31, 2014, at 9:22 AM
  • Some americans wont get the right to vote this year,thanks to some of the voter ID laws passed.I know some of you may say that you need voter ID to ride a plane or buy a gun but those are privileges you pay for, but VOTING IS A RIGHT.When you have 93 year old people not allowed to vote because of expired drivers liscence that have voted for 70 years it is a shame.Some have gone miles and miles to voter ID centers twice to be told ,we have run out of applications and come back next week.It has been proven as fact that the biggest voter fraud is voter suppression.Wide spread voter fraud has been proven to be false.Can some one give me a good reason why any one would not want every American to vote?Why would anyone push to end same day registration,limit early voting days and block Sunday voting?Some elderly people born at home don't even have birth certificates to get IDs.If the information they had was good enough to get Social Security and get them a SS number,then it should be enough to vote.Is this what America has come to,if you cant win then you purge millions of AMERICANS from the roll.Sounds like th old Jim Crow Law.This is the new poll tax.Every American should be concerned.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 31, 2014, at 12:04 PM
  • It should be so easy to vote...all that needs to be seen is proof of who you are...when they make so many ID laws they are doing nothing but trying to eliminate their opponents numbers and to me that's dishonest and cheating...

    I was raised that those who squawk the loudest are normally the guilty ones or have something to hide and I would be leery of even voting for such.

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Sat, Nov 1, 2014, at 12:28 PM
  • Loving this thread already.

    -- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 1, 2014, at 8:15 PM
  • My 96 year young mother-in-law has never driven nor had a license, yet she has a picture i.d..

    If there is any American citizen unable to vote it would seem that any American citizen should help. While it may be too late for this election, if anyone knows of a Bedford County resident who is an American, unable to get their credentials, please let me know.

    I would be happy to help but I truly don't know one.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Nov 1, 2014, at 9:51 PM
  • The only ones I know who do not have an I.D. are children. I know of no adult who has not had, or have, some form of I.D. (expiration date aside).

    Let's apply some common sense. An I.D, is an I.D., does it really matter if Granddads drivers license expire 10 yrs. ago as long as it has his picture on it. If so, I.D.s can be obtain easily at little to no cost. I just got my son one, no problem.

    If someone isn't responsible enough to secure a free I.D. then why should they be considered responsible enough to vote?

    How about mentally disabled folks should they vote, or would their vote just be that of their caretakers? Should illegal aliens be able to vote? What about children? After all, the government routinely passes laws putting massive debt onto our children, but yet they don't have a voice in the debt they inherit? Isn't that taxation without representation? Can we not expect a revolution?

    Open the suffrage can of worms and it can get real complicated. Who votes? When? How many times? How do you police it? Pass more laws to counter the ones being broken? Soon we will be in a police state!

    How can you keep a lawless/immoral society from breaking the law? You can't! If leaders don't show good morals and responsibility then isn't that a reflection of the electorate who put them there?

    The real issue to me is what real difference does it make in an election when you only have two viable choices to choose from. There needs to be election reform, no doubt, but the issue is not really suffrage but the whole process.

    Even though we saw a wholesale rejection of the Liberal agenda by the people Tuesday it is likely to make little difference in the overall direction of the country. The same thing happened in reverse in 2006 while Bush was president, only then it was the Dems. who took control of Congress and they (both parties) still took the country into the toilet in 2008. The hand is on the flush lever again my friends, why would anyone expect it to be different?

    To me, the simple fact that the only players at the table are the GOP and Dems pretty much negates any squabbling over election laws. If the people don't regain some morals, common sense, and love for one another, then this country is doomed, regardless of the outcome of the election(s).

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Nov 6, 2014, at 9:57 PM
  • Liveforlight tell that to people who couldn't vote because of expired drivers liscences,Texans for instance.Look up Texas Judge refused to let 93 year old vote with expired drivers liscence.He was told they could be expired for no more than 60 days.Did you not know that Republican Governers shut down DMV offices in many states.Scott Walker shut down 10 in his state alone,causing some in rural areas to drive as many as 50 -100 miles to get to one, costing some money they don't have.It is called a poll tax.There is no proof of wide scale voter fraud in this country but there is proof of voter suppression.The overall condition of the country will be worse.The next 2 years will be spent on trying to impeach the President and repealing Obamacare instead of passing bills to help America.We thought gridlock was bad before just wait.The republicans are going to have to put up or shut up.To all the millions in states that love Obamacare but hate Obama what will you do if it does get repealed.You not only voted against Obama, you voted against yourself.But there is some good news,unemployment down 5.8 lowest since July 2008,2.5 millions jobs added since 2008,stock market is up,and gas is $2.60 in Shelbyville.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 7, 2014, at 11:49 AM
  • I am glad you ended with goods new LBR. :-)

    I would like to track down one of your examples given about voter suppression. Do you happen to have a link to a news source that discusses this?

    I searched your first one about "Texas Judge refused to let 93 year old vote" and the first two pages were blogs, opinion based websites etc., but no authoritative source that gave facts I could follow. I am hoping you have one.

    I do not doubt that there is illegal vote manipulation going on. I would suggest it is not limited to one party, by any means.

    We have all kinds of illegal identity issues using false i.d.'s, false Social Security cards, etc., so I have no doubt that some of this bleeds into the voting box. Nowadays I would think it is more about getting illegal groups to vote rather than stopping elderly folk, but.....

    From experience, I know that we also have huge issues when exceptions are made to any policy or law. It opens up huge issues that lawyers love to exploit.

    While I was looking for an authoritative source for your 93 year old, I ran across a 96 year old that had trouble as well. This person knew that the laws had changed but for some reason did not act on her voting issue until one day before elections. Was the woman setting herself up for problems by showing up one day before elections?

    My mother-in-law is also 96 and I know that she has us working on things that do not need to be done for MONTHS ahead, because she would not want to come down to THE day without it having been resolved long ago.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 7, 2014, at 1:08 PM
  • This sight and info might help to answer a few questions:

    Justin Levitt, a professor at the Loyola University School of Law, tracked "any specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix," in the context of general, primary, special, and municipal elections from 2000 through 2014. He found just 31 incidents between 2000 and August 2014. Only 31 incidents of voter fraud in the entire country over 14 years! The U.S. Government Accountability Office concluded in a September 2014 report that "few instances of in-person voter fraud" have been documented, citing studies that calculate a rate of voter fraud between 0.1 percent and zero percent.

    http://www.vox.com/2014/11/4/7151587/6-questions-about-voter-id-laws-you-were-to...

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Fri, Nov 7, 2014, at 1:52 PM
  • It is going to take a while to follow the links in that article, but after reading a few, I am not convinced. Don't have time today to pursue that, but I will.

    Just like the popular "follow the money" investigative route, I am following the data. Where it stated 11 percent don't have government issued photo I.D.s the actual study was done in 2006, by phone, with 985 "randomly chosen" participants. I put the randomly chosen in quotes because I have not yet found out how they randomly chose telephone numbers nor where the phone numbers were.

    Why is that important? Because many scholars that phone surveys can misrepresent the general population for many reasons. How? Some folks don't have phones.

    This study was done in NYC where a good number of folks don't drive. It is too expensive to keep in the city so he always used public transit. Would they be less likely to have a driver's license?

    Did they randomly call just in the boroughs of NYC or around the nation? Mostly cities or mixed? My point is that until these are defined and truly random, it is not a valid study.

    I gotta go for now. More later. But read ALL of this link from the original link. http://www.vox.com/2014/11/4/7151587/6-questions-about-voter-id-laws-you-were-to...

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 7, 2014, at 5:29 PM
  • This is the link I meant to post. It is from the other link, http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/aug/10/marcia-fudge/rep-marcia-fu...

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 7, 2014, at 5:30 PM
  • Voting is a right in America,at least it use to be.I guess the 96 year old wonders how was she able to vote all these years and not now.They can look and see that this person has been a registered voter and is an American.With voter fraud 0.1% and zero percent why was the laws changed anyway.This has been in the working for years to suppress not illegals but minorities,some has stood on TV and said so.So now in America if you cant win you cheat.It is going to backfire in the end.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Nov 8, 2014, at 10:43 AM
  • It is just the same old song and dance. Whenever one of the two parties loses the other side says they cheated.

    Of course, it must be racism. That is always the reliable fall back strategy for the Democrats.

    What about a few instances of voter fraud and suppression from just a few years ago and lets throw in a little racism just to even things out a bit.

    Lets be real!!!

    ACORN

    http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/04/18/acorn-convicted-in-massive-voter-fraud-co...

    BLACK PANTHERS

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obamas-black-panthers-are-back-inti...

    Lets not forget the IRS scandal targeting anyone who opposed Obama.

    Yes, the two parties cheat!! Surprise!! Yours does too!!

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Nov 8, 2014, at 6:44 PM
  • Liveforlight, once again you are posting bogus right wing propaganda websites (fake news), like they are actual news stories. They have about as much credibility as a story from "The Onion". Are you seriously that gullible? Or were you hoping we were? Go back to the first link you posted about ACORN and read the comment at the bottom of the page from "nimbleswitch2". It's explained right there for you. Both those websites are owned by the extreme far right wacko David Horowitz.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 7:30 AM
  • RV are you saying that there was no voter fraud convictions with Acorn or that you just don't consider the source credible?

    I suppose you don't consider any dissenting views sources credible, but especially if it comes from "right wing" websites.

    I Googled "Acorn conviction" and get this link at the top. http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

    Is that credible enough? No, well what would be?

    I guess Lois Lerner and the IRS targeting conservatives is completely bogus. The loss of emails was just a coincidental mishap.

    Black Panthers harassing voters was just racial propaganda right? Never happened??

    Is that it? And you call me gullible!!

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM
  • Liveforlight, Might I suggest a reading comprehension course for you? Again, read all of your own posts carefully. ACORN was never convicted of "voter fraud". They were found guilty of "compensation" laws. Which had to do with the way they paid their employees. And it's true that some employees were turning in fraudulent applications trying to make extra money(i.e. Mickey Mouse, Porky Pig). But there were never any voter fraud convictions. Evidently, Mickey Mouse and Porky Pig never actually showed up at the voting booth. Imagine that.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 12:12 PM
  • Acorn, as an entity, was only convicted on compensation laws. Which I am sure lead to fraudulent votes. Acorn employees were convicted as individuals of fraud. I suppose your comprehension of "not even a smidgen of corruption" leads you to believe everything your party espouses.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 5:31 PM
  • I am not trying to attack the Democrat party, which you obviously hold dear, no more than the GOP. I think the GOP is almost as corrupt as the Democrats and expect little to no improvement from one to the other.

    I voted against the majority of the GOP on the ballot. However, the majority of voters who are committed enough to vote, oppose the agenda that is being advanced. The Democrats have been the ones in charge of advancing that agenda. That is why they lost their jobs on Tuesday. It is that simple.

    The GOP will now work to advance the same agenda, with a different slant, and then they will be tossed out. But, the balance of power will be maintained and the agenda advanced, just as it has been.

    Doggedly defending obvious corruption, while hiding behind a mince of terms such as "compensation" laws. vs "convictions" of individuals within an organization just lends credence to the term willfully complicit.

    My best wishes for all, regardless of your viewpoint.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Nov 9, 2014, at 9:01 PM
  • I can relate the Democrats and Republicans to business when it comes to "mudslinging". In one of our businesses we basically have one competitor just like in National politics.

    This competitor makes claims that used to make me scream at the computer screen. They are the best in this and that. They have the cleanest ****, the most accurate XXXXX, etc.

    I want to contradict (and could) almost everything they claim but in business it is a bad tactic to "badmouth" the competition. It really is (or should be) in politics.

    The only ones who believe it are the ones who WANT TO and those who are undecided hear and read the 'crap' and likely decide against that party or worse get ambivalent about both parties rejecting both.

    Instead, I show them what our company can do and do everything I can to get them to try us. When they do, we have a loyal customer. When a candidate does the same, they have my vote until they blow it.

    But a party? It isn't that simple.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Nov 10, 2014, at 4:15 PM
  • RE:

    My 96 year young mother-in-law has never driven nor had a license, yet she has a picture i.d..

    If there is any American citizen unable to vote it would seem that any American citizen should help. While it may be too late for this election, if anyone knows of a Bedford County resident who is an American, unable to get their credentials, please let me know.

    I would be happy to help but I truly don't know one.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Nov 1, 2014, at 9:51 PM

    I know this a dated thread but wanted to share my experience dealing with TN's voter ID law.

    The voter ID law states that the state will issue IDs at no charge to anyone who doesn't possess a valid ID and can't afford to pay the fee. The state should issue IDs to anyone wanting to vote, regardless of financial need. Because charging any amount would be a poll tax.

    My ID was expired so I took a copy of the voter ID law along with an affidavit stating my financial need and my expired ID to the DL testing site. I was told that they couldn't issue me an ID because I had one. Later after I had returned home I reread the law which uses verbiage along the lines of "who don't possess a valid ID". I threw my Expired ID in the trash and returned to the DL site about 6 weeks later. When they asked for my ID i told them I didn't have one. They told me their records indicate that I did have an ID. I Explained that I didn't possess that ID and she said that didn't matter. I pulled the Law out of my pocket and tried to explain it to her. She became irate and threatened to have me arrested for trespassing if I didn't leave. I told her I wasn't leaving with out an ID. Another officer went to the back, I assume to call someone higher up in command because they were gone for 10 minutes. When he returned he said that they would issue me an ID but it would be invalid. Feeling that I had won a victory I agreed. My new ID issued 2014 had expired in 2008. When I went to vote no one took issue with my ID being expired. About 2 months passed and I became increasingly annoyed at the idea of them issuing me an expired ID so I call the Department of Safety in Nashville. The lady I talked with said that the officers at the DL site were in the wrong and that she would mail me a valid ID. It arrived a week later.

    Now I'm a hard headed type person especially when I feel I'm in the right. I was prepared to go to jail were others may have caved to intimidation. If I was a black man I would have more than likely been taken to jail. It's naive to believe this law doesn't discourage people from voting.

    -- Posted by Kratos on Sat, Jan 10, 2015, at 11:58 PM
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