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Steve Mills

Well, the debate is over and we've had time to talk it out with friends

Posted Monday, August 10, 2015, at 7:57 AM
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  • Rubio and Carson did well.

    After the debates, I'm even more sure Trump is the Ross Perot of 2016.

    I would like to see future debates try to give more equal time to each of the candidates.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 2:02 PM
  • Ten candidates are a lot to have in one debate. Has this one narrowed the field any?

    Would five one night and five another work? Then rotate so they can debate different ones?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 3:21 PM
  • None of them looks like presidential material to me.Is anyone as concerned about Cruz being born outside of the US as they were so worried that Obama was born in Kenya,which he wasn't.Why does those same people that had a problem with Obamas birth think it is ok for Cruz to be president.I thought the whole debate was hilarious.Trump keeps talking and most conservatives must like it since he is number 1 in their polls.I think if he is pushed around by the republican party it will not go well for them.Go Trump.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 9:39 PM
  • I never paid much attention to the citizenship issue so if one parent is a U.S. citizen but the child is born out of the country, is the child not still a citizen?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Aug 9, 2015, at 10:19 PM
  • I went searching this morning and found this.

    "Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time) may serve president of the United States"

    Any disagreements? Does everyone meet that criteria?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Aug 10, 2015, at 8:02 AM
  • Then why was it a big issue about and still is about Obamas birth certificate? Since his mother was a US citizen it should not have made a difference where he was born,right.Why is no one asking to see Ted Cruz's birth certificate and making this a big issue now? Where are the birthers?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 12:21 PM
  • I am afraid I do not have the answer regarding birth certificates. I suppose the question could also be asked, why they did not want to show it? That always fuels the imagination.

    I could think of possibilities but his Presidency is almost in the past so.....

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 2:04 PM
  • My understanding is that President Obama had produced his BC when asked for it. The BC produced, however, was the short form and not the long form......Those that wanted to protest did so because they wanted all of the information possible...And then it went on and on........And on and on...............And still goes on.

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 3:17 PM
  • Maybe he wasn't really born?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:27 PM
  • I never knew there was a short and a long form. Does everyone have that?

    I wonder what mine is?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:52 PM
  • So, to wrap this up, it could be with a BIG YAWN?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 4:53 PM
  • Ted Cruz is not in the past.He is running for president now and was not born in the US.Has anyone seen his long or short birth certificate?We all know Obamas mother was born in Kansas.Where was Cruz's parents born and why is it not such a big deal now as Obama's still is?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 7:00 PM
  • Here is my first guess, he is not a front runner.

    Second guess, the Republicans are competing among themselves right now and they are Probably not going to raise that issue. It will be for Democrats if and when the need arises.

    Guess three is that many may already know and it is a non-issue. I don't but that does not mean anything.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Aug 11, 2015, at 8:58 PM
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    I went searching this morning and found this.

    "Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time) may serve president of the United States"

    Any disagreements? Does everyone meet that criteria?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Aug 10, 2015, at 8:02 AM

    Where did you find this Steve? It is my understanding that congress had to change Article II, Section 1, clause 5 that would make it legal for Obama to even run for President.

    The original Article II section 1, clause 5 read; "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;..."

    The original Clause stated that the person had to be a Citizen of the United States,(at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution).

    Our laws tell us that "a Citizen of the United States" is a foreigner and not a sovereign man or woman who is part of the Sovereignty of this Country.

    By removing the "at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" would mean even a foreign US Citizens could now be a President.

    In other words, the western states were not states at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and were Territories before they became States. Those citizens were US Citizens because they were not State Citizens, but Americans.

    A US Citizen Today is a "Person" [corporation] under "its" [the US Central Government and State Governments] jurisdiction. Since the Government is not a Country but a Foreign Corporation

    [Title 28 USC 3002 Section 15A states that the United States is a Federal Corporation and not a Government, including the Judiciary Procedural Section.]

    a US Citizen today is not the same as it was at the time the Constitution was adopted.

    Under the Trading with the Enemy act of 1617 as repealed March 6, 1933 by President FDR all U.S. Citizens have been included as the enemy to the United States any time it is at war or in a state of emergency. We have been in a state of emergency every since FDR Declared this Country in a state of emergency. Proclamations 2038, 2039 and 2040.

    It has been stated that no one has any standing in court today and can not use the Constitution to defend themselves because they are bankrupt.

    This is nothing but a lie introduced by the Bar Association to take control over all people.

    The United States Government Corporation is Bankrupt, NOT THE PEOPLE. The Government gets its money from the people because they are not bankrupt. It is said that the States have been added in this bankruptcy and the State have volunteered all the State Citizens to pay of this bankruptcy when it is called in.

    This too is a lie. ONLY The United States Corporation and the State Corporations are named in this Bankruptcy. This would also include the United States Citizens who are under its exclusive jurisdiction but not the sovereign people.

    But that's another story!

    Basically Obama could not be elected as a president because he was included as an enemy to the United States.

    By changing Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 to include present day U.S. Citizens (who have been included as the enemy back in 1933 by Pres. FDR) it made it possible for the enemy to be a U.S. President who is a foreigner.

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 5:33 PM
  • sui,I thought I got that from a government website, but it was more of a question than a statement of fact. I was asking, and you answered with your opinion.

    I am not, by any stretch of the imagination and legal expert, so the rest of your discussion has past right over my head. Or maybe it is the time of day, but more than likely my lack of familiarity with legalese.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 8:29 PM
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    That's the beauty of it.

    It is above the heads of just about every American. Even Bin Laden knew that the people are suppose to be the Sovereignty of this Country and that is why he was trying to Bankrupt America. Instead Obama has done it.

    Anyway, if you don't know the law, you are considered a 14th Amendment Citizen and under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Federal and State Governments which use a foreign law against you in a foreign court by, not a judge, but a foreign agent. Due Process? Not anymore unless you are a sui juris who knows the law.

    God help us all!

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 1:08 PM
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