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Steve Mills

The urgent state of fundraising in the county? What are some solutions?

Posted Sunday, September 6, 2015, at 3:12 PM
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  • Steve, I would say the TWNC would like for all civic clubs to pull out and let them have all the food booths. Like in the Calsonic Arena only the TWNC can sell food and drink. Several years ago the Shelbyville JC's were basically robbed of there parking deal. They use to get a percentage of sticker and cash parking. Im not even sure they still park cars,but they were paid less than 1/4th of there normal take to do the same job. Greed is what has happen to the show.Not the USDA or Humane Association.

    -- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 12:25 PM
  • If anyone from the horse show wants to respond, they can do so anonymously by creating an I.D. here or writing to me.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 3:07 PM
  • Why would someone from the horse show want to be "anonymous" to offer a point of view, or possible suggestion?

    I have lived here since the late 90's the growth in this city is stagnet, and the future looks to be more of the same....with the exception of new sidewalks downtown.... Yes, by all means let's form another faction to tackle community fundraising!

    I think Frick and Frack are in charge of this community!

    -- Posted by haybar on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 5:23 PM
  • Haybar, the comment before mine was saying that greed drove the horse show. Someone may not want to answer that as an official representative of the show, but might if they were anonymous, the same as your blog name.

    Since you have an opinion on what is not right, what constructive suggestion do you have? Keep in mind that I am not just talking about Shelbyville and many do not live within a corporate town at all.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 7, 2015, at 7:54 PM
  • I have lived in this county for about 10 years now. One of the main aspects of moving here was that it was a quiet town without big businesses moving up and destroying the countryside. Taxes and fees were cheap and it was a pleasure to walk around downtown while taking in the historical adventure. But, now it seems that the quaint little town is turning into a nightmare with the wasting of money on sidewalks when the money could have been spent on projects more important. The road construction which is a complete mess which causes us many times to head to Murfreesboro to do our shopping.

    The horse show is a has been. Society is becoming more aware of the mistreatment and the cruelty that goes on behind the scenes. I would rather watch a horse strolling or galloping through a field than watch it being abused and forced to walk a certain way due to human greed. And yes, I feel the same way about all animal shows and those who force their animals to give birth to get a paycheck.

    In order for any fundraising or care to be put back into this community, the government in general, will also have to show that they care about this community. But just like the big G, they only care about who is lining their pockets.

    -- Posted by NikkiD on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 8:35 AM
  • NikkiD, I share some of your thoughts about "progress"and not sure that a community always has to keep growing to be vibrant and healthy. Maybe someone can explain that to us?

    But I am not sure I share the same feelings about our local government officials, nor that we have to wait on the government to do anything before we can improve our community or aid our children.

    PLUS, the government is supposed to be us, so if they are not doing what we approve, then there are legal ways to correct that.

    Nor do I share your feelings about animal shows. I grew up with 4-H all around me, We raised primarily goats and I loved the social events surrounding the fairs, animal and plant exhibitions.

    We did not train the goats to perform but yes, we did raise them to sell, milk or eat. The last part was not a favorite, but somehow I never became a vegetarian.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 10:31 AM
  • What about hearing from those who have students in band, or schools that do not have programs they would like to see their children have the opportunity to join? I always liked Track & Field events since individuals can succeed based on their efforts alone.

    If I want to be the best javelin thrower, sprinter, long distance runner, etc., it was pretty much up to me. While I was on a track "team" it eventually came down to what I can do.

    How about other activities like photography, camping, fishing, canoeing, computer design, arts, crafts, singing, meteorology, entomology, gemology, spelunking, geology, geography, naturalist, archaeology, history, astrology, volunteerism? Oh, don't forget gardening. :-)

    Some of these things take very little money to get started, but could spark a life-long interest in our youth.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 10:50 AM
  • The original post referred to "several" booths closed. I noticed only one closure from last year to this one: Shelbyville Quarterback Club.

    The previous year, Shelbyville Rotary Club (which resulted from the merger of the old noon and breakfast clubs) decided to close down what had been the old breakfast club's location and operate one booth instead of two.

    -- Posted by jcarney on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 1:50 PM
  • There is difference between a 4-H fair and Walking Horses. We all train our animals to sit, stay, and so have you. But you are trying to compare apples to oranges. A better comparison to the Walking Horse show would be with the circus. Another way man mistreats animals for profits.

    Yes, the people are suppose to be the government and the government is suppose to be a representation of the people. But in reality, it is simply not this way. Some people tend to still believe that Americans vote and pick the president. We do not. A committee within the government have the final say. The people's vote is merely a suggestion to those of the Electoral College.

    -- Posted by NikkiD on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 3:34 PM
  • I was not there so I know nothing first-hand but was also told that a booth selling pizza was not there either. Is that the one that was combined?

    Maybe some folks who worked the booths can speak up? You don't have to identify yourself as the spokesperson for that group and you could also write to me separately.

    John, do you feel the food booths did well?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 3:38 PM
    John I. Carney
    Yes, that's right -- it was the breakfast Rotary booth that sold pizza, and that went away a year ago, not this year, as a result of the clubs merging.

    I haven't really talked to too many people about how the food booths did. I did hear one person from Rotary saying that they were doing well, but even they felt it was at least partly because they had picked up some of what would have been the Quarterback Club's business, since they're both under the west grandstand.

  • I agree NikkiD but was just going on your statement " I feel the same way about all animal shows and those who force their animals to give birth to get a paycheck."

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM
  • For me coming into Shelbyville after working out of town...(no employment to speak of here). Seeing 2 drug stores opposite corners ... Hmmm wasn't CVS located in a different building ? Is that building now empty? Hmmm Taco Bell, again moved across town...empty building for a long time, not sure what is in the old one now... Walmart...hmm move across town leave hulk of a building empty for a large amount of time.... Let's see how many "car lots" does one town need.... Who is in charge of our growth? What about some penalty for jumping streets and leaving hulks set empty? WHO IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER? Or might I be barking up the wrong tree.... This is a home cookin kind of town. Steve, there is a lot wrong when the town decides to put in new sidewalks when flume is collapsing and buildings are being condemned.... Oh yes there is a solution raise property taxes!!!!

    -- Posted by haybar on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 7:30 PM
  • I'm just waiting for the NAACP to come protest the horse show. Especially the "Plantation class" nevermind all the riders wear old timey (antebellum?) clothing and carry whips.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 9:59 PM
  • To be sure this conversation has swayed from the original topic but seeing this I feel somewhat okay to post the following comment. Perhaps it would be better served posted in another blog but what the heck...... here it goes.

    My question comes to mind when viewing the many concerns I have seen posted about the Walking Horse. My opinion leaves me with no other choice but to believe the Walking Horses have some of the best well cared for feet of any any animal living today upon the earth.

    Why would anyone harm a $100,000.00 - to $5 million dollar animals' feet. Any common sense out there????

    If this idiotic group of people really have their heart in the right place why are not they out here looking at all the horses "in the pasture"?

    I venture to say that the average pastured pleasure horse would not pass any "test" the morons subject it to that the showing Walking horse has to pass in order to be shown.

    Where is their heart really at? Is it the pocket book or the animal?

    Common sense strongly says it is the pocketbook.

    If not they would be inspecting every pastured animal on Earth.

    The average non professional pastured horse would not pass the inspection of the Hoof that the Walker is subjected to.

    Guarantee it my friends.

    Try it and see.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Thu, Sep 10, 2015, at 8:24 PM
  • Interesting point. Is any other faction of the horse industry monitored as closely?

    If the foot/hoof is injured, wouldn't it be limping?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 10, 2015, at 9:32 PM
  • I do not think you will see any other factions of the horse industry being monitored or for that matter I do not think you will see any of the nimrods doing their little inspection on any other animal alive on earth.

    They go where the money is at.

    Pretty plain to see.

    If their real concern is for an animal why are they not testing the cow in the pasture?

    They could really care less about any animal if the truth be told.

    In a nutshell they are lazy SOB's that care about nothing but the Devil's Dollar.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 5:01 PM
  • Why is mustard oil being sold at horse supply stores?

    Why are buckets of kerosene kept in horse training barns?

    The assertion that owners wouldn't abuse their expensive horses ignores history.

    Plantation owners mercilessly whipped their very expensive slaves.

    Performance brings the profits, so abuse is certainly a factor.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 5:04 PM
  • Plantation owners mercilessly whipped their very expensive slaves.

    Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 5:04 PM

    I see you watch a lot of T.V. drama.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 5:19 PM
  • quietmike,

    Let me clarify before my comment is taken the wrong way.

    My main point is that I firmly believe you can take any results from a 'turned down" Walking Horse and compare it to an average pasture grazed horse and I believe the ordinary pasture horse's feet will fall below the standards of care of the same mentioned "turned down" Walker.

    I think it would be an interesting exam of the hoof.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Sep 11, 2015, at 5:26 PM
  • The average pasture grazed horse does not have an unnatural gait.

    That exaggerated gait is what is so prized and therefore what brings the money.

    Anywhere there are large sums of money to be made, there are unscrupulous people who will cheat to get it.

    Granted the USDA might be going a bit overboard, but that is only because the industry absolutely refused to police itself and denied the allegations for so long.

    Then we start seeing undercover videos of the abuse, such as a trainer beating a horse with lumber, and the rest is history.

    The horse show got away with it completely for decades, now the pendulum is just swinging the other direction for a while.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 13, 2015, at 12:27 PM
  • quietmike,

    You said "The average pasture grazed horse does not have an unnatural gait." Are you actually saying Walking Horses have an unnatural gait that is only obtained by what is referred to as "soring"? If so how did this years Champion pass all inspections that relate to "soring" and win 3 years in a row? Are you saying it was and is a "sored" horse that slipped through the cracks and not a naturally trained gaited horse?

    Sure there have been trainers who tried to push a horse beyond his naturally trainable gaits. But one bad apple does not neccassarily ruin the whole bushel. You will find "cheaters" in every sport and profession known to mankind but these "lone rangers" are not to be viewed as the norm.

    Sure they provided a video of a supposed trainer "beating a horse with lumber" as you said but how about all the non provided undercover videos that they had that provided nothing. Yes there were and are undercover videos that showed nothing but compliance. But let them star the "lone ranger" and many like you swallow the entire shaft.

    Furthermore let's look at this video you hang on. You have a 160 pound trainer and a 2 x 4 trying to gain control over a 1600 pound power packing stallion. Who do you think is really the underdog?

    To end this conversation I would like to point out a fact you can not deny. The foot of a beloved Walking Horse receives the care that no other animal on earth will ever see. Yes, even the old pasture grazed horse with cuckleburs covering most of his mane and tail along with fleas, ticks, and fleas eating his *** alive on his poor stone scarred and thistle burred uncared for hoof will never receive 10% of the care given to a prized Tennessee Walking Horse hoof. Guarantee it.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, Sep 14, 2015, at 6:15 PM
  • So beating an animal with a 2x4 is perfectly acceptable if the animal outweighs the human?

    Thanks for showing why the horse show crowd needs and deserves every bit of oversight their getting.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 3:38 AM
  • The video I was referring to did not show a "beating".

    I guess you would have put the horse in "time out" seeing how well that works with children of today.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 7:56 AM
  • http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/horse-trainer-pleads-guilty-animal-abuse/story?id=...

    Again, if being repeatedly hit in the head with a board doesn't count as a beating in your world, you only demonstrate why such heavy outside scrutiny is needed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 15, 2015, at 12:43 PM
  • Steve $2500 is a low figure to run a booth. One of the three clubs I belong to is 2x's that fee.

    Each year our club members discuss if the fee we are charged makes it worth all the effort we put into the booth. Always several members voice let's close the booth.

    -- Posted by kjp437 on Wed, Sep 16, 2015, at 7:33 AM
  • Ouch! $5,000? That group must be selling liquid gold.

    I presume all booths are fundraising booths for organizations, or are there private booths as well?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 16, 2015, at 1:20 PM
  • The horse show is a controversial subject but the county is in need of other forms of income.Look back in history, we have alot of civil war history. People travel all over to visit battlefields, the county/town could sponsor a event. The Tullahoma campaign was quite the campaign.First use of repeating rifles, maneuvering a Army by deception.It's up to the people to change our area . we've seen the effects of bad management and planning.As far as the horses go, USDA is just trying to justify it's existence by shutting down the show.U have news for everyone, abuse exists on all levels of humanity and I know there's more abuse being allowed to happen at a certain plant in our town. Animal and people abuse.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Thu, Sep 24, 2015, at 2:27 PM
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