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Bedford Ramblings
Steve Mills

Drones. Like them, hate them, scared of them. What are your thoughts?

Posted Tuesday, October 27, 2015, at 9:41 AM
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  • People flew "radio controlled" model planes when I was a kid. Under the new name, these seem to be becoming more pervasive, and they certainly have more capabilities, such as hovering, than the old model planes.

    I was surprised to read about a man who shot one down that kept hovering over his deck... not that he shot it down, but that he had charges filed against him and might have to pay for the thing! I don't know if that would discourage me from shooting one down, if it was peering in my windows. But I suppose I would take more pains to dispose of the carcass.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 10:20 AM
  • I don't see there would be a liability issue since it would be on your property. Could it not be considered as an invasion of privacy? Or trespassing? I don't care for them at all. I really don't see the point of them.

    -- Posted by NikkiD on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 11:02 AM
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    What would you do if some unknown man was walking around in your back yard recording a video without your permission.

    You have a right to protect your property and possessions as well as your family.

    You may not shoot the man if it was day time, but you would tell him to leave. At night that is a different story, but then unless the drone had night vision... LOL.

    Another problem is... Search and Seizures are illegal unless a judge signs a search warrant that lists what they are looking for or names the person they are there to arrest. And then an arrest warrant must be signed naming the person to be arrested.

    And it must be presented with all this information on it BEFORE the Search or Seizure begins.

    The judge can not just sign a search, seize or an arrest warrant without probable cause.

    I would think the same would hold true for a drone, however, the drone isn't going to knock on your door and show you a search warrant, so I don't think the courts can rule in favor of the drone without violating your rights.

    But again, if a cow wanders up on your property and you shoot it, you are going to court.

    If you can find out who owns the drone without destroying it, you can sue him for violating your right to privacy.

    You could shoot it down and say you thought it was a UFO and didn't realize it was that close.

    Or you could say something Racist to it and the owner will come looking for you. Then you shoot the owner. Aah come on! I was just kidding!

    All drone owners/operators, from what I heard, are going to have to register them with the FAA and get a license. The drones will have to be marked with the ID on them so the owners can be held liable for any damages they create.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 11:33 AM
  • My friend's law enforcement made the same point about liability however in the country there would be no witnesses but the drone and you.

    For them to prove it was you, they would have to show video proof which then convicts them of privacy invasion, I would think.

    As you said Lazarus, just dispose of the carcass "properly". 😝

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 11:38 AM
  • Sui, that raises more questions. Who will insure these and their operators? If they require registration, surely they require insurance

    Whose satellite are they using for control? Same as GPS? Would they be liable if the GPS malfunctions?

    If I was a lawyer, I would love for these things to be approved. I can see all kinds of business! $$$$

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 11:48 AM
  • If a drone was watching me I give them something to see!....

    But if that cow wondered in my yard...Well, I'd eat or be freezing steaks, probably before they ever knew it was gone! Just kidding!

    Seriously though, that drone might go missing and for the cow, well, Yep! I'd have steaks in my freezer! Ha!

    -- Posted by chefgrape on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 12:11 PM
  • I heard about the man being prosecuted for shooting down a drone. I don't know the particulars on that case. However, common sense tells me that a drone need not be over your property in order to violate your privacy. Just a hundred feet in the air and you, our your camera, can see far across most property lines.

    Hand held drones can fly up to 2000 feet and larger military drones can fly up to 30,000 feet. These altitudes are beyond the reach of most any firearm you might possess.

    A drone like any device is dependent upon the morality of the person(s) using them. Laws limiting their use are likely to be ineffective, just as laws prohibiting the use of other devices are. With one caveat, as Steve mentioned, the laws will be very useful in increasing litigation.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 6:56 PM
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    My idea of all this stuff is, if I am not doing anything wrong, why should I care who is watching me. I can be very boring to look at.

    However, if they use their video against me, they better produce a signed warrant to invade my privacy in court or it will be thrown out of court.

    Also if they post it Online. like You Tube, if they don't blur my Identity they can be sued if they don't first get my permission to use it.

    I don't know how high tech the drones will be. If they can video and send it while flying, the own would have a video of the person who downed it as it was happening.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 7:34 PM
  • No more things that can invade my privacy!! From televisions to telephones to tablets and .........Like SUI said, it would be pretty boring. but it is MY boring! HP

    -- Posted by horsepoopperson on Tue, Oct 27, 2015, at 8:27 PM
  • First off, Most people that fly drones do not fly drones to look at you. They use drones to get shots that don't have power lines obstructing the view or to get exciting shots of action oriented sports.

    People that invest thousands of dollars are doing so to get the best video or photographs for a purpose that has nothing to do with someone else's privacy. There are a few videos already of drones in Shelbyville, as you can see, none of them are honing in on a persons privacy.

    -- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 9:06 AM
  • No doubt there are many good uses of drones and looking at me would be VERY disappointing BUT going from the discussion I had with a friend in KY, even expensive hobbies can go wrong.

    His neighbor has very attractive daughters and a pool. For some reason helicopters seemed to prefer flying over their house for years but then changed their flight plan when their daughters moved away. Coincidence?

    The cost of a helicopter and the costs to fly it are MUCH more than a drone.

    A quick search on voyeuristic tendencies turned up percentages of the population ranging from 3-8 percent. For Bedford County (on the low side) that means well over 1,000 people harbor those tendencies.

    Could a few of those afford a few thousand dollars for their hobby? How much do we spend for hunting, fishing, photography etc.

    I am not thinking it would be an epidemic of voyeurism but just a few would be a pain. Of course, there is also no doubt, the few always ruin things for the many.

    My main concern is for safety, not privacy. Big deal if you see me in my underwear. You would not want to a second time. :-)

    But what about someone wanting to get a great shot of an airplane or jet taking off. What about those power-lines?

    Do most drones have sensors that warn of impending collisions? They might. I would like to know.

    Are there rules when flying these about staying away from roads? We have enough distractions without have a drone zip by or hovering for some legitimate purpose, but curiosity takes our eyes off the road.

    Heck, we can't even see a stop sign on the bypass with flashing lights.

    Will there be operating tests like driving tests. I saw one fellow at an industrial show who operated his like "Barney Fife". Luckily for all of us the darn thing finally was destroyed when it hit a big display.

    There may be operating guidelines already in place, so those of you who have one, please share what is being done to encourage (not ensure) safe operation.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 10:12 AM
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    NikkiD, the drone flying over your property is doing just that. OVER, not on your property. The guvment claims ownership of the airspace. They will also claim violation of anti-second amendment laws and charge you with " unlawful discharge of a firearm".

    With all the convoluted logic and re-defining of simple words in the dictionary the (usually) 5 out of 9 legally retarded blackrobes in DC have done over the years it is amazing they can't see the Constitution is in large part about our right to be left alone and the ability to protect that right. That being said, people should not be surprised when drones get shot down.

    They are very much a danger especially around airports and cars.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 12:06 PM
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    I mean "not amazing".

    I really hate my phone.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 2:06 PM
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    I'll tell you what, I think the Post Office needs to use them. They can't seem to get the mail delivered in 3 or 4 days any more!

    Or maybe they ARE using them and they are getting shot down.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 4:19 PM
  • Steve,

    If you ever want to see the drone and how it works. Let me know and I will do a demonstration for you and show you first hand how to fly it.

    -- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 6:32 PM
  • Thanks EM. From your response I gathered you might have one.

    I expect they would be fun to fly and as a photographer I can see some great possibilities.

    I might take you up on a demo but would not dare trying to fly one. I know my limitations. 😛

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 7:19 PM
  • Steve,

    Just let me know when you get some free time. I know next Tuesday, if you come by Radio Shack I am going to be doing a few demos in the afternoon.

    -- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Oct 30, 2015, at 1:28 PM
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