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Steve Mills

Terrorist actions, Paris, reactions.

Posted Monday, November 16, 2015, at 2:13 PM
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  • The solution is very simple (not to be confused with "easy" at this point), use the force of government/law to stop the plunder of life, liberty, and possessions. BUT, limit the government to doing only that.

    When it (government/law) attempts to do more than this; Someone is going to become persecuted and the injustices begin to cascade from that point on.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Nov 16, 2015, at 5:54 PM
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    Lbr?, the terrorists must be laughing their a**es off if they read your posts. At least I did when you were talking about the KKK and the Baptists being worse than the Islamics. If Trump could and would shut down all mosques it would be ok with me. And no, it has nothing to do with freedom of religion. When they preach about killing us just because we aren't mohammedans, they break the law and should be gotten rid of.

    Lazarus, I feel sorry for you. How can you think Christians who want islamists dead that have threatened them with death just because they are Christians (common sense, self protection) are the same as muslims who want us dead just because we won't stick our butt up in the air five times a day (nonsense). A glass desert over there is preferable to multiple bombings and shoot-em-ups over here.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 16, 2015, at 6:23 PM
  • "How can you think Christians who want islamists dead that have threatened them with death just because they are Christians..."

    Your words, not theirs. This shows the pointlessness of violence. The attacks in France are retaliation for France bombing them on their own soil. I am sure they would rather shoot down the planes, but they cannot do it. So they strike out in the way that they can. You cannot "take out" the guilty parties, so you want to bomb the entire population... what is the difference?

    The West has been interfering in the middle east since WWI. It has not been a place of violence for 2,000 years, as it is so popular to say. It has been a place of violence since we began meddling in their affairs. I am in total agreement with you, as to the horror of religious killings. And that is endemic in the middle east now. But, most of it is moslems killing moslems over tenets of faith we do not even understand.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 7:11 AM
  • One reason they have such trouble taking out the guilty parties is because they hide among the innocent or those too afraid to reject them.

    No doubt that bombing kills those that are innocent of the atrocities, or are they? Do they live with them, support the terrorists, are they family, are they friends, do they give them other type of aid and comfort?

    Hats off to the "roommates" in Belgium who turned in a person they suspected of having too much advanced knowledge of the attacks in Paris. They were Muslims, but not radicalized and chose to do what was right.

    -- Posted by Timeline on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 9:43 AM
  • It is easy for us to forget that ISIS is the enemy of most moslems as well. There is nothing that would suit ISIS more than for us to perceive this as a war between Christians and Moslems. In every place we have interjected ourselves into affairs in the middle east (except for Israel) both our allies and our opponents are moslems.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 11:05 AM
  • We can thank Bush for getting us into this mess.Looks like so far the suspects they are arresting are from Belgium and France.So far the refugee theory has not been confirmed.Fair share I feel sorry for you if you refuse to admit the KKK are terrorist that have killed americans and bombed churches.I quess you consider them as just good ole boys having fun.The GOP will use this no doubt to create more Islamophobia in America.The muslims wont have to destroy America because the backwoods, uneducated americans with all their guns will kill each other.Remember Tim Mcveigh he wasn't muslim.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 11:45 AM
  • Bush! BUSH! Why not blame Pope Urban II back in 1095? He started it all, so maybe the current Pope should be blamed.

    Have you read any of the other reports about those poor, understood TERRORISTS! Like the passport found next to the pieces of one bomber came through a refugee camp in October and the same fake passport was found on another "refugee"!

    My blood pressure is up. If I die from a stroke or heart attack, do we blame Bush or the stupid, parroted comments we read here?

    -- Posted by Timeline on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 2:45 PM
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    Speaking of "backwoods, uneducated Americans" LBR?, if you ever paid anyone to teach you reading comprehension, you need to go get your money back. I never said I refuse to admit or deny anything about the KKK or the Baptists. I was paraphrasing what you said about them that sounded like you implied they were worse than the muslim terrorists.

    Lazarus, if they are true muslims that really believe the koran, then they believe they have the right/duty to kill the infidels which includes me, and I assume you, and any muslim that isn't muslim enough for them. That is what the koran tells them. The ones that say "no, I'm a peace-loving muslim may well be using the part of the Koran that tells them it is ok to lie.

    The US may have been involved in the middle east for only a little over 200 years (not just since the 1910s)but the muslims have been causing trouble since the 700s.

    If we are worried about killing "innocent" muslims I suppose we could give them fair warning and let everyone that wanted to leave go thru checkpoints and prove they aren't trying to kill us. Any ideas how we could do that? Maybe we could have them eat a porkchop.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 2:58 PM
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    Timeline, it's only been 7 years. They need more time to find someone else to blame.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 3:04 PM
  • fair share..... You seriously purport to tell us what "real moslems" believe?

    Makes sense, tho. "real christians" believe the same thing: Deuteronomy 17 - If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Nov 17, 2015, at 11:34 PM
  • That's true Lazarus,

    If we go by fairshare's logic then,

    If they are true Christians that really believe the Bible, then they believe they have the right/duty to kill non- believers in the name of God.

    Also according to other bible verses, you can put someone to death for working on Sunday rather than going to church. Or you can stone your unruly child to death on the public square. Or better yet, you could just sell your children into slavery.

    How can you take one religious book "literally", but not another.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 9:19 AM
  • In my opinion, the main difference between the Christians and Muslims is that the Christians progressed from the Old Testament with the coming of Christ.

    Muslims seem to have chosen to not follow Christ's teachings and stayed in what I consider to be the fundamental stages of religious development, or at least the militant, extreme factions did.

    Was that because someone wanted to use the Old to establish domination and power? Are they still trying to do that?

    I know that there are less extreme Muslims. Is that from subtle development or is there something like the New Testament in their Koran?

    The Jews did not accept Christ either so how do their teachings compare to Christians and Muslims when it comes to violence?

    -- Posted by Timeline on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 10:38 AM
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    Had Christ not come along and fulfilled the OT by his death on the cross then Lazzy and Phil would be right---except for the part about selling your kids into slavery and the confusion about Sunday being the Sabbath. When Christ died on the cross, he fulfilled the old covenant and established the new. The stuff about holy wars and killing people for various sins is in the OT, not the New Testament. The Koran on the other hand starts out with the nice peace-loving stuff and ends with the violent. Christians can't use the Bible to justify holy wars (at least without using a bunch of twisted logic). Muslims can and do use the Koran to justify holy wars and mass murder and they don't have to use twisted logic to get there.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 12:20 PM
  • One standard, fair share. If you can tell me what "real Moslems" believe, I can tell you what "real Christians" believe. We are both just using the text of the religion's foundational document, applied literally. If the OT does not count, then why do you have it? People quote stuff out of the OT all the time, to justify one thing or another. Sure, they pick out parts that "don't" apply any more, when convenient. But we do the same thing with the NT. Do you think Moslems really differ in that regard?

    "O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace. Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you." (Holy Quran: 2, 208)

    "There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned." (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

    "You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided." (Holy Quran/28: 56)

    You see, the koran is just like the bible. If you wish, you can use it to justify violence, or you can use it to justify peace.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 12:39 PM
  • Some americans are so Islamophobic they are talking about bombing mosques and killing muslims.Politicians are fueling the fire with nonsense and putting fear in already unstable americans,who can't wait to use their guns.Trump is already said he will deport 11 million people if he becomes president.Where will he put them after rounding them up to be deported?What will America do with all the orphans that were born in America when they are separated from their parents?I am sure that some would be happy to see them along with muslims placed in an internment camp like 120,000 Japanese americans in 1941,half of them were children.Are as Roosevelt called them "concentration camps".Remember Hitler used fear that caused the death of 6 million Jews.This is what Trump is doing,he doesn't care for non-whites.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 12:48 PM
  • It's the same old excuse people like fairshare use all the time to cherry pick the scriptures they agree with, but omit the ones that they don't like or convey violence.

    They claim the Old Testament is obsolete or "fulfilled", but still want the 10 Commandments displayed in public squares and buildings.

    Or if they want to tell how homosexuals are sinners bound for hell, they will pull out some OT scriptures for you.

    But all the crazy violent stuff....that doesn't count anymore.

    But of course, every violent part of another holy book should be taken literally.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 2:05 PM
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    I'm not saying the violent parts of the koran should be taken literally. I'm saying the muslims are taking it literally. If you haven't noticed, they have been killing us for a while.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 2:41 PM
  • Fairshare, the Koran and the Bible have always been distorted by people and used to justify violent and crazy behavior. Your problem is that you lump all Muslims together by the acts of the few. That would be like saying all Christians are crazy because of the actions of people like the Westboro Babtist church, or the White Supremists and Aryan Nation that claim to be following the Bible.

    Google " The Army of God".

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 5:15 PM
  • According to the information I was reading, Belgium has the highest % of Moslem youth going to Syria... about 520 out of a population of 670,000. That is less than 8/10 of one percent. Out of those, about half (maybe more) are disillusioned with what they actually find, and want out. We are talking about a handful of individuals. Unfortunately, it does not require very many people to do a lot of damage against civilian targets...

    Their moslem neighbors, even their own families will turn them in if they find them out. The apparent ringleader in the France massacre, who was killed this morning; his own parents had prayed for his death long before all this transpired. This extremism is a nightmare for the Moslem community as well.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 5:27 PM
  • News Flash, Tenn Rep Glen Casada R stated "the state should activate the national guard to block Syrian refugees from settling in Tenn and round them up and politely put them in a federal run immigration center".In other words internment camp/concentration camp is what that means.This takes us back to an ugly period in our history that americans don't talk about.Fear is overriding our commitment to basic American freedom.This happened in France and they are taking 30,000 refugees in the next 2 years.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 5:45 PM
  • There was 30 people killed in Nigeria and 80 wounded by bomb by Boko Haram Tuesday and no one seems to care about those people.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 5:51 PM
  • The comparison of Islam vs Christianity is easy. All one need do is compare the perfect example of each i.e. Jesus vs Muhammad.

    Regardless of religious affiliation or beliefs, it is the plundering of life, liberty, and possession that is the issue. Any ideology that justifies plundering needs to be stopped.

    I doubt anyone would object to anyone else's' belief until those beliefs lead them to try and plunder them. So, how do you stop the plundering of life in the case of terrorism? First you need to identify who is doing the majority of it. The use of a Pareto analysis would seem in order. The 80/20 rule would most likely apply here. Once the most effective 20% is determined to cause 80% reduction, do not turn a blind eye to the causes because of political correctness, but react only to the truth.

    As I said at the beginning of this blog:

    "The solution is very simple (not to be confused with "easy" at this point), use the force of government/law to stop the plunder of life, liberty, and possessions. BUT, limit the government to doing only that."

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 6:44 PM
  • LBR, why do you say no one cares about the deaths in Nigeria? What were you expecting that led you to that conclusion?

    USA Today wrote about it, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/17/nigeria-bombing/75960116/

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 7:05 PM
  • Nigeria was not given the coverage France received.I just happened to see it on the bottom roll of a news program. Looks like the Paris attackers were from Belgium and France.The Syrian passport found was fake.Is America going to continue to allow in people from those countries.They don't even need a visa to come to America.Republicans are using the refugees only to gain points.America has a international and a moral duty to take war refugees as other countries do.Will the GOP refuse Jesus when he returns since he was from the middle east and at one time a refugee.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 11:46 AM
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    Lets not Be Real Stupid here. If the GOP refused Jesus it wouldn't be because he was a refugee from the middle east. It would be because they wouldn't want the dems trying to buy his vote with welfare and a free cell phone.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 2:51 PM
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    lets be real,

    If you read the Christian Bible you will read where the Kings of the Earth will bring all their armies together to do battle with Christ.

    Christ will kick their butts like never before.

    The Brain Dead Kings of the Earth don't seem to understand that Christ died on the cross and was resurrected in 3 days and rose up into heaven. The first soul to go to heaven.

    This means Christ is immortal and can never be killed again, and neither can his warriors who come with him.

    Who are the Brain Dead Armies of the Brain Dead Kings of the Earth going to kill?

    I believe the question IS Who is Christ going to Kill? SO you see, LBR, Your statement is just as brain dead as you are.

    A very good solution to all this madness is to bring all the refugees and undocumented immigrants into our country and ship them immediately to the "Concentration Camps" that are not "Concentration Camps", but "Relocation Centers".

    See if they (foreigners) can all live with each other in a camp together while the UN Agencies document them. If no killings or crimes happen while in the "Relocation Centers" they get to take the 14th Amendment Test and Citizenship Oath.

    If they can get documented before Trump takes office, they get to stay as U.S.Citizens. If not Trump should ship them back to their own home land where they were born.

    Look at what happened years ago. The Americans took in slaves and gave them a place to live and food to eat and hard work to do to pay for their keep and look at how it turned out today!

    They still don't like being treated as a free person with responsibilities. They were given equal rights with other U.S. Citizens and that isn't enough. They want more rights that they have to claim but don't know how. SO they think Killing Cops is the answer.

    What do you think these documented immigrants are going to do when they can't find a job because the Minimum wages is too high for them to be hired because most jobs are done by robots?

    All these Syrian immigrants will be slaves to American businesses. They will have to do anything they can find to do to eat.

    Obama says they should be looked at as Tourists. I don't think so, Brain Dead Obama! Tourists have money to pay for a hotel or motel and a meal at a Restaurant. These Syrians will have to steal food and money to live in our country until someone creates jobs for everyone. The crime rates will soar.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 5:17 PM
  • "Look at what happened years ago. The Americans took in slaves and gave them a place to live and food to eat and hard work to do to pay for their keep and look at how it turned out today!"

    sui, you just made my day... I am pretty sure I have never before seen slavery described as a charitable act. You should not forget, they also got a free ocean cruise on the slave ships.

    However, it is not reasonable to expect gratitude from today's black population. None of them actually benefited from the security and benevolence of slavery.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Nov 19, 2015, at 10:56 PM
  • Many of you know that I do not get involved in too many arguments and this is not arguing with anyone, just making a statement regarding my thoughts on the topic.

    My sorrow for all those involved in this is immense and most of you would know this without my saying. My sorrow extends to not only the families and friends of the victims, but also to the families and friends of the terrorists who maybe had no clue or thought they would "outgrow" a phase.

    I have no sorrow in seeing the terrorists stopped in any way necessary but am sorry that circumstances drove them to believe their acts were going to be rewarded.

    That said, I do not agree with banning or imprisoning refugees. BUT, I like the idea of forcing closer evaluation AND the top heads of these departments taking personal responsibility for the thoroughness of their agencies.

    Back when Irish terrorists was a frequent conversation I have a friend who happened to have red hair and a burly appearance get constant screening when he flew back and forth to Great Britain on work.

    He said it was a pain, but understood the profiling and did not object to screenings because it meant a safer flight. I feel the same way when going through airport security.

    Screening my 96 year old mother-in-law? Yup, a pain, but they have no idea what type of extremist might be in our family and have no compulsion about blowing up our mother-in-law.

    If law enforcement needs to violate my privacy, have at it. Be as diligent in keeping that private, but have at it folks. Stop these fanatics, but not because of their religious faith, because of their fanaticism, as you should ANY of us regardless of what religion we are misusing to justify our cause.

    Maybe this screening process will help us identify extremists that we then follow to their cell? Hmmmm.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 9:35 AM
  • The biggest problem we have in America today is threat assessment. Following the terrorist attack in France, I have been horrified at some of the outrageous proposals coming from our supposed leadership... closing mosques, rounding up moslems and putting them into camps, requiring them to have special ID's. On the heels of Trump's outrageous claim that he will form an American SS to round up hispanics, I have to wonder if we have lost our collective minds... Earlier I pointed out that the "radical" element of the moslem population in Belgium (chosen because it was the highest per capita in Europe) was less than 8/100 of a percent of the total population. This is apparently a percentage so high, that we feel compelled to imprison or deport the entire population...Out of idle curiosity, I compared the number of people in the US currently imprisoned (well, 2012, since that was the most recent available statistics) for violent crime to the total population... It was more than 2/10 of a percent! That is right. Your average American is more than two and a half times as likely to have actually committed a violent crime, than your average moslem is to merely harbor sympathies towards terrorism!! But, lets be real here. That is only the number of violent criminals who have been caught, and put in prison. When you figure the number who are still roaming the streets, unapprehended (and that must be a lot or why would we all need to carry guns everywhere we go?) how much more dangerous are everyday Americans than moslems?

    Of course, we all know that all Americans are not equally likely to commit violent crimes. Famously, we like to attribute the tendency to violence to blacks and hispanics. But, that is not statistically true. More of those two groups commit violent crimes, but the difference dovetails with the greater percentage of those groups who are poor. The real truth is, poor people commit most violent crimes. I don't have time to dig out the figures, but how much more of a threat are poor people than moslems? 20 times? 100 times? The answer is clear. If we really want to be safe, it is poor people who need to be rounded up and put into detention. The lucky thing is, poor people are easy to identify. A moslem could simply deny being a moslem. There is no blood test to run. But, if we have the police stopping everyone who drives a crappy car, dresses poorly, is black, hispanic, or otherwise arouses suspicion, and make them prove gainful, high paying employment, or a certain amount of savings, we could soon remove all the poor people from the general population. Just think how safe we would be! This would also provide a tremendous boost to employment. Think how many police and guards we would need, to keep us safe from poor people... Of course, those police and guards would need to be well paid, lest they also have to be put into detention.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 9:49 AM
  • I agree with stevemills and lazarus.ISIS is accomplishing just what they intended,to have americans running scared and afraid of each other.Some wanting to shoot all muslims.When we start separating people by religion everyone will be rounded up except the ones that call themselves Christians.Seems like all the attackers in Paris were from France and Belgium and not Syria.So what is the problem with having the refugees?Why would a terrorist risk being caught and stay in a camp for 18 months to 2 years to be vetted before going to America?The terrorist in France were French and Belgium nationalist who can come in America without a visa anytime.These people are a bigger threat to us than refugees.All the Sept 11 hijackers were issued visas.The visa waiver program is the problem not the refugees. This is for Sui,tell me how the americans "took in slaves" from Africa?Do you really think they walked on water from Africa to America and asked to be slaves?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 11:01 AM
  • I hope true Christians see that heated rhetoric from Trump and Carson such as comparing muslims to rabid dogs,forming data bases and carrying special documents is only causing more fear for the already unstable psychos in America with multiple guns.And this is not good.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 11:28 AM
  • The real truth is, poor people commit most violent crimes.-- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 11:01 AM

    Assuming your numbers are correct, then it would seem that a more effort should be towards the poor. However, what is not captured in numbers is which came first, poverty or criminal activity. People make bad choices based on different beliefs. Is the criminal more likely to commit crime because he is poor, or is he more likely to be poor because he is a criminal?

    Like it or not ideology matters. If more Muslim leaders, such as Louis Farrakhan were to publicly condemn the acts of the few ideological radicals then maybe there would be some credibility to the narrative that the terrorist are committing anti-Islamic actions. I have seen no such condemnations. Quite to the contrary, Farrakhan also invokes violence, and I am pretty sure he is not poor.

    I am against placing the refugees in any kind of a camp unless they choose to be there. To do so against their will would be to plunder them of their liberty. However, I think it is na*ve to the extreme to think that ISIS or other terrorist would not try to gain access to the U.S. through immigration/refugee programs. It has happened in the U.S. with deadly consequences before and to think that doing the same thing again will somehow yield a different result is the very definition of lunacy.

    Using percentages is effective and, as I had already suggested, the use of a pareto to determine the sources od terrorism would most likely yield the 80/20 as expected. All that is missing is the political will to act upon those results once obtained. So, it would seem we are stuck with accepting terrorism as the new norm. A low percentage makes it, and other crimes, bearable. Unless, of course, you or a family member are the victim.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 5:56 PM
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    LBRS, who are the people wanting to shoot all muslims?

    Lazarus, since you seem to like playing with numbers, I have a hypothetical question for you. You have a bunch of 100 grapes and you want to eat some. They all look, smell, and taste alike. The problem is some are poisoned and will kill you if you swallow them. Question--what number of poisoned grapes (1,5,20) would it take for you not to eat any of them? Hint-- the correct answer is zero--unless you are suicidal.

    Yes, the terrorists have us right where they want us---a goodly portion of us that want to invite them here with open arms while doing nothing to protect ourselves. It is a wonder some of those idiots haven't already tried to save them the time and trouble by cutting off their own heads.

    We can only hope and pray we can hang on long enough for Trump to make America great again.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 6:13 PM
  • Liveforlight I never printed The real truth is, poor people commit most violent crimes.You must be drinking to much koolaid.I said I agree with stevemills and lazarus.Fair share look on facebook and see all the horrible things being said about shooting muslims from Shelbyville folks.Trump won't make it to the whitehouse with out the people he has alienated and that is the blacks,hispanics,muslims,women and now the jews.And the list is growing,so who is left to support him.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 8:04 PM
  • Everyone should look at the ShiningALight concert tonight it is great.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 8:08 PM
  • LBR I accidentally credit you with that quote it was actually Lazarus. I copied the wrong "Posted by line". My apologies, to both you and Lazarus.

    I find Lazarus to have logical posts with insight. Yours are just regurgitated liberal talking points with a thick blend of racism which deserve, nor receive, any further comment from me.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 8:38 PM
  • If people continue to support Trump and Carson after the dangerous rhetoric they are spewing especially in the last 2 weeks then I feel really sorry for them.Maybe he is delusional when he says that he can sense and feel terrorism and see thousands of arabs in NJ cheering as the World Trade towers went down.The NJ police,the Gov of NJ or any news station knows anything about this.Even the attorney general of NJ at that time states "It did not happen".As the towers went down no one knew who the attacker were at that time.The religious leader who accuse Obama of dividing the country need to speak out against this language.And lets not forget Carson said he saw it on the news also.Muslims died in the towers that day also.If crime against muslims goes up in this country you can thank Trump,Carson and Fox.Carson compares refugees to "rabid dogs" and Fox news thinks ISIS is behind black lives matter.I quess that is why Trump encouraged people to stump and kick a protester at his rally in ALA.He either does not respect the constitution or know what it says.Trump only wants power and if he becomes president we will be like the poem by Martin Niemoller,the American version will be They came for the Hispanics and I did speak up because I was no Hispanic.They came for the muslims and I did not speak up because I was not muslim.They came for the blacks and I did not speak up because I was not black.Then they came for me and there was no one there to speak for me.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 12:52 PM
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    LBR?, I'm sure no one would presume to speak for you. They wouldn't have a clue where to start.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 2:38 PM
  • Well americans here we are again.We worry about ISIS and Syrian refugees while we are breeding our own special kind of domestic terrorist. What happened in Colorado is what you get when you gin up lies about PP,thanks to Faux news and the republican party.What sense does it make to storm a building and kill innocent people because you are pro-life.No doubt some will be celebrating on the right and this makes them no better than ISIS.Did anyone notice that certain types that kill in America are usually taken alive,while others are shoot unarmed for minor offenses.Dylan Roof was taken to Burger King after he was arrested with out any guns drawn.Since this is an epidemic in America will Trump put white males with guns in a data base like the muslims if he becomes president.I'm just saying.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Nov 28, 2015, at 11:39 AM
  • Only in America can certain people walk around with AK47s,then others get shot picking up a BB gun off the shelf at Walmart.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Nov 28, 2015, at 1:06 PM
  • Things a little too quiet LBR?

    When your post popped in out of the blue and then made such illogical, regurgitated statements, I started wondering. Wondering if you are the actually the antonym of your moniker.

    You must be the opposite but just stirring the pot to make liberals look stupid. Who would bring up Pat Paulsen (PP) when he has been dead for 8 years? LOL

    A Liberal would be all concerned about Dylan Roof NOT getting his poor stomach filled and then crying police brutality if he didn't. (I am surprised that BK was not considered cruel and unusual punishment.)

    Did you ever notice that some folks are smart enough to give up and drop their weapons while others point their toys (weapons) at officers?

    Since I surmise that you are not as dumb as you write, I'll back off, but maybe society is to blame for allowing toy manufacturers to make toy weapons that look so real and movies/TV shows/games that immortalize blood and carnage.

    -- Posted by Timeline on Sun, Nov 29, 2015, at 10:01 AM
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    Now, now, Timeline. You know you shouldn't assume things. It wouldn't surprise me if LBR? really was as dumb as she sounds. Of course society is to blame for everything. No one should have to be responsible for themselves or what they do!

    ( For anyone that doesn't recognize sarcasm, this is what it looks like.)

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Nov 29, 2015, at 11:24 AM
  • Things are quiet because no one wants to admit that domestic terrorism is on the rise in America.The shooter in Colorado only dropped his gun after killing 3 people,one a policemen, and shooting 9 others.A black man would have been shot dead a few seconds after police arrived even if he dropped his gun.Blood is on the hands of the far right extremist,Faux news, the NRA,Fiorina and other republican candidates.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Nov 29, 2015, at 1:40 PM
  • Why can't anyone call these terrorists "radical christians". That's what they are. These are Fox News watchers and the crazy *** people that listen to right wing radio. You've created these people

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 10:59 AM
  • Only people who look like Robert Dear are called mentally ill by the republicans when they commit mass murder,while others are just guilty thugs.This is just a sample of what is coming if the right continue with their paranoia and spew dangerous rhetoric.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 11:49 AM
  • RV. are you referring to Robert Dear and the abortion clinic shooting?

    If so, I am not aware of anyone linking him the a Christian Faith. Do you have such information?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 1:38 PM
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    You left-tards need to calm down and take a deep breath before you have a stroke. If only you cared 1/10 as much about the millions of dead babies.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 1:44 PM
  • What you are seeing on full display is the hypocrisy that is liberalism.

    While they will doggedly defend ideologies that promote violence, under the guise of prohibiting profiling, they quickly develop profiles and condemn anyone they consider an enemy, whether the ideology or evidence is present or not.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 4:47 PM
  • Steve, do you really need to wait for a media report to tell us that Robert Dear's motivations were religious and/or political?

    Do you think he just wandered into that Planned Parenthood by accident?

    And who gave him these ideas? We do know that when he was arrested he said "no more baby parts".

    I have also read reports of statements from former neighbors and acquaintances that said although he wasn't a regular churchgoer, he was a devout believer in the Bible and claimed to have "read it cover to cover".

    He also was reported to have had crosses posted on his property.

    There is no doubt in my mind that he shot and killed these people thinking he was doing it in the name of God.

    This man has distorted his religion in the same way that muslim terrorists distort the Koran and Islam.

    And it's the same point I've tried to make several times on these blogs.

    If we're going to call one side Islamic terrorists, then these people should be called Christian terrorists.

    Personally, I think either term is wrong.

    But I think fairshare's response speaks volumes.

    After this crazy right wing nut shoots innocent people and kills police officers, his response is "calm down"? "Take a deep breath before you have a stroke".

    It's no big deal.

    Now if this had been done somewhere else, by a dark skinned man who claimed to have read the Koran cover to cover. I'm pretty sure the reaction would be different.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 5:20 PM
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    My response was not about the murderer but about RV's and LBR?'s response to the murderer that seemed like you were hyperventilating and freaking out because a few people died while not seeming to care even 1 rat's behind about millions of unborn babies being killed. I think it is sad whenever anyone dies, especially prematurely.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 6:10 PM
  • "Steve, do you really need to wait for a media report to tell us that Robert Dear's motivations were religious and/or political?" Do I need evidence before I make a judgement{? Uhm, yeh, I do.

    "Do you think he just wandered into that Planned Parenthood by accident?" I think he knew where he was going, but I am not going to tell you that I know his religion or political persuasion from that.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 6:36 PM
  • There it is again. I know you're not trying to defend the shooting, but at the same time that certainly isn't much of a condemnation either. "A few people died", but you portray that's nothing compared to the abortions.

    At the same time, some Christians will call for all Muslims across the nation to publicly condemn any terrorist act perpetrated by another wacko who has also used his twisted religious views to kill.

    But where are the Christians condemning this terrorist act at Planned Parenthood?

    What I hear from the right, and people like fairshare, sounds more like a vague justification.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 6:54 PM
  • Steve, Yeah, I guess we will just never know either if Dylann Roof was racially motivated when he shot up that predominantly black church.

    Life is a mystery.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 6:59 PM
  • I, as a Christian, have no problem condemning the shooting at PP. Whether he claims to be Christian or not, this man plundered the lives of other people in direct opposition to the example set by Christ! PP also plunders the life of the unborn, in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ. One does not justify the other, by any means.

    I find this quote by RV interesting----

    "Now if this had been done somewhere else, by a dark skinned man who claimed to have read the Koran cover to cover. I'm pretty sure the reaction would be different."

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 5:20 PM

    What is interesting is that you have injected skin color into the equation. Christianity and Islam have nothing to do with skin color, only ideology. The fact that you see skin color tends to make me agree with you. If he had been dark skinned, the reaction would have been different. More specifically, your reaction would have been different.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 7:21 PM
  • I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Robert Dear. It is challenging to try to follow your logic, but to you I guess it makes sense.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 7:33 PM
  • Liveforlight, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about skin color. I was just stating a fact, and how differently a white "christian" terrorist, and an olive or dark skinned "muslim" terrorist are viewed.

    I agree that skin color doesn't equate religion. But the reason I used that example is that over two thirds of the Muslims that live in America are either African-American or of Middle Eastern or Indian descent. So it wasnt a racially insensitive statement, just a fact

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 7:46 PM
  • I didn't think is was racially insensitive RV. Skin color is simply irrelevant to the character of the people who do these things. It is their ideology that is the problem not skin color, that is the fact.

    Those who post skin color as a factor, more than likely, do so out of their own bias., and in so doing, aggravate an already difficult issue.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 7:59 PM
  • Steve, I didn't mean to confuse you. But I would like to help you understand my reasoning by comparing the Dylann Roof shooting and the Robert Dear shooting.

    My point was that you would have to be very naive to think that Robert Dear was not a right wing religious fanatic, motivated by the recent republican rhetoric about Planned Parenthood.

    And if that's the case, you would most likely be baffled at the reason a white supremacist would shoot up a black church.

    It was a little sarcasm. Sorry if I lost you.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 8:02 PM
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    While this is an interesting discussion, I don't know why we are wasting our time talking about terrorism when we could be tackling the much more serious problem of global warming, I mean cooling I mean climate change (at least according to b o)

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 30, 2015, at 10:02 PM
  • According to Obama and a 150 other heads of state,pretty impressive.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 10:59 AM
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    Yes, and according to Chicken Little the Unicorns went extinct because the sky fell and hit them all in the head.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 1:00 PM
  • Not much more amusing than the climate change deniers. Events have left them in the dust. It is no longer a point of contention among educated people. It is no longer a discussion of what might happen. It is here, and the only points to be considered are whether we can reduce the pace, and how to deal with it. The powerful weapon of ridiculing things you do not like or cannot understand will have no effect... You might as well make fun of people who believe the earth goes around the sun. After all, we can clearly see that the sun is the one that is moving, every day.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 5:39 PM
  • Studies show that a quarter of Americans actually do think that the sun revolves around the earth.

    It's no wonder some people can't grasp the facts of climate change either.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 7:23 PM
  • Studies can show most anything for any narrative that anyone chooses to study.

    The main issue of climate change is whether or not it is caused by human activity.

    Just because you can observe an event does not mean that you know, conclusively, the cause. The potential for plundering people, under the guise of controlling human behavior in order to affect climate change, is a huge issue.

    If the true cause is the sun, for example, nothing we do on earth is going to affect the sun. However, those who can take advantage of the hysteria and fear can reap huge amount of money and power.

    It takes a tremendous amount of faith in government to believe all the regulations and associated costs are justified.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 8:38 PM
  • 'It takes a tremendous amount of faith in government to believe all the regulations and associated costs are justified.'

    Doesn't require any faith at all. First year geology and third grade math are sufficient to "get it." It requires a tremendous amount of wishful thinking to believe in the nonsensical alternatives offered by the industry.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 10:34 PM
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    The climate had been changing long before humans were around and will continue to change long after we are gone. The fact that the climate changes has never been a point of contention for educated people. The cause of the change however is a point of contention for the gullible. If old Owl Bore, I mean Al Gore, really believes all the hot air he spews about it, why does he fly all over the world in a private jet? I wonder how many centuries all the people in Shelbyville would have to drive gas guzzlers to leave the same carbon footprint of just one of Al's flights. But at least we should thank Al for being able to have this discussion using his invention.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Dec 1, 2015, at 11:09 PM
  • At this point, anyone still denying the causes and effects of climate change might as well be arguing that the earth is flat.

    It doesn't matter that 150 world leaders just gathered together about it. Or the extremely long list of scientific organizations and the Academy of Sciences from 19 different countries all agree with the consensus of man made climate change.

    They can still point out that Al Gore flys around in an airplane.

    So it's all a hoax.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 5:46 AM
  • Come now Lazarus, third grade math is all it takes to "get it"?

    Your statements are more of an attempt at ridicule than a logical argument. Unless, of course, you "believe" a third grade mathematician can gather global temperature data for the last 100 yrs, analyze the global atmosphere and determine definitively that CO2, or other human activity, is causing the earth to warm.

    The use of ridicule in a debate generally speaks to the weakness of ones argument. But, I hope you can see how ridiculous it is to think that first year geologists and third grade mathematicians can't reach these conclusions without putting their "faith" or "trust" in the works/analysis of others.

    There is however an attribute that a third grade mathematician possesses that is applicable here. That is, an inability to think critically of those who they see as an authority. They simply believe without considering the possibly that there are alterative motives behind what they are being told. This has lead many into abuse and death.

    There are plenty of reputable scientist who refute the claims of climate change, but few politicians. Wonder why?

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 9:55 AM
  • Whatcha think folks, do I need to make climate change a new post topic?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 10:11 AM
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    Well Steve, this one has been all over the map and will soon go on to something else or die out.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 10:36 AM
  • "There are plenty of reputable scientist who refute the claims of climate change, but few politicians. Wonder why?"

    That is an odd statement to make. I have yet to see a reputable scientist refute the "claims"... It seems to be only politicians (on the payroll of the industry) who do so.

    And I hold to the belief that it does not require a scientist to "figure it out." Geology is not so hard to understand. Next time you drive down the road, check out the layers in the limestone when you pass thru cuts. Every layer represents some sort of climate change, and it does not take a lot of reading to figure out how often those are related to changes in the atmospheric carbon... altho most occur over a far longer time period than is happening now. It is not hard to find out how much coal is being extracted from under the earth and burned worldwide; coal, which is mostly carbon. The math is elementary school level, and the data is readily available.... Geology is really fascinating, but it happens over geological time, which is exceedingly hard to wrap our heads around. Mountain ranges are pushed up out of the earth, and then are worn away to nothing; over millions, tens of millions of years. Entire continents move, at a rate so slow that 2 inches a year is virtually flying (and we can measure that movement today, it is not something we hypothesize). We humans exist in human time; 20 years for a generation; 70 for a lifetime. Any time that geological events occur within human time, the result is a catastrophe. Earthquakes are geological events, occurring in human time. The extraction of buried carbon, and its return to the atmosphere is a geological event, and we are compressing what would have happened over millions of years, into single years. We can measure what is happening, and geological precedent clearly shows the inevitable outcome. This is not controversial science. Pretending it is, is something *only* politicians are capable of pulling off.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 10:39 AM
  • 'Whatcha think folks, do I need to make climate change a new post topic?'

    To be honest, Steve, it is hardly worth the trouble.There are mountains of data, and it only supports one side. Fair discussion would be whether we can actually slow down the process (because it is already here), which I do not believe we can; and how to deal with the effects as they intensify.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 10:42 AM
  • We need a topic on how to solve the problem of bad police officers who we pay to protect and serve us in America,without being labeled as anti-police.Some americans have trouble separating the two.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 11:27 AM
  • Well, it might be worth a try. The conversation is lost at the bottom of this post.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 11:29 AM
  • "A black man would have been shot dead a few seconds after police arrived even if he dropped his gun."

    Your words LBR. Sounds pretty close to anti-police, if you ask me.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 1:24 PM
  • LBR, Bad officers of any kind, who work for the public, are a tough subject, as are bad teachers, government officials, etc. Those that are not elected are especially tough.

    Somehow I think a topic like that will become personal. I'm not saying that you would do that, but since I can not delete one comment, my only choice is to delete the whole post.

    Let me think about it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 1:35 PM
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    Great news LBR?. I have the perfect solution to what you want to do! Have the A Few Black Lives Matter group kill the cops like they want to.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 1:38 PM
  • My comment about a black man being shot a few seconds after the police arrive is not anti-police,it is a fact.Like I said some refuse to admit we have a problem, not with just shootings but to falsify and hide evidence is even worse.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 8:59 PM
  • The last two statements are a textbook example of just how ridiculous we have become...

    LBR; Do you really believe that being stopped by the police is a death sentence? Yes. It is undeniable that blacks are more likely to be pulled over, more likely to be handcuffed, more likely to be detained, and more likely to be shot than whites. But the odds of being shot are still infinitesimally small. And to follow it up with an assumption that there is automatically going to be a coverup. Do you think you are less than a conspiracy theorist than... well, I won't call names, but I am sure you can immediately think of some conspiracy theorists from the right. Prosecuting police in the event of a shooting is not a simple proposition, no matter the circumstances. There is a fundamental difference between a police officer and an ordinary citizen. Read up on it; I think it would be an eye opener.

    And Fair Share; "Have the A Few Black Lives Matter group kill the cops like they want to." The genesis of the "BLM" as a hate group is a textbook example of creating a myth from thin air. The only people who have said BLM wants to kill police officers are white people. Starting with the sheriff down in Texas. Asked why an officer was shot, when the shooter had not offered any motive, he speculated that maybe he was inspired by the BLM?? After that, the thought was repeated from right wing media outlet, to politician, and back again, with a little embellishment at each stop. BLM became a hate group. The next thing you know, they were calling for the killing of cops. And now we find ourselves all in mortal danger because cops are under siege. Funny thing about this "War on Cops"; There have been 24 police killed in the line of duty this year. Last year at this time, there had been 29. As a matter of fact, this year is on pace to have the second lowest rate of police fatalities in the past 20 years. The "War on Cops" is pure fantasy, and the BLM have not called for killing anyone.

    The issue of these shootings of unarmed black men is real. They are neither all justified, nor are they all cold blooded murders. Other factors are involved, and it would be worth our while as a nation to seek to address them. JC Watts is a black Republican, and as a black Republican, he has been a right wing darling for years. But, when the BLM movement began he made the logical statement that the Republican Party was not going to become more inclusive by ignoring the legitimate concerns of black people. As a result, he has been decried as a traitor. Just to humor me, you both might find this article interesting: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/neuroscience-behind-why-white-cops-kil...

    Just as an aside, or something to think about, have you ever wondered about the cops who get shot? While blacks make up only 12% of our nation's police forces, they represent 50% of the officers killed in the line of duty. It seems that it is equally as disproportionately dangerous to be a black cop pulling someone over as it is to be a black man being pulled over. Why do you think this is?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 1:32 AM
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    LBR?, you very much did sound anti-cop. Lbr? said "not with just shootings but to falsify and hide evidence is even worse." Really? Do you really think hiding evidence is worse than shooting someone even when they die from it? I always knew the left was wacko, I just didn't know how bad.

    Lazarus, apparently you don't get the full story watching the lame stream media. The AFBLM group itself has shouted about killing cops. I qoute them from their marches:

    "What do we want?"

    "Dead cops"

    "When do we want it?"

    "Now!"

    And:

    "Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon."

    Yeah. I don't doubt these are all fine upstanding citizens just doing their civic duty. They probably go strait to the rallies after church.

    And since this thread is about terrorism, how bout the shooting in CA yesterday? Nice to see b o on the workplace violence bandwagon again. At least he wants to protect us by making it harder to protect ourselves.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 11:07 AM
  • No, fair share, you are not quoting "them" from their marches calling for "dead cops". You are quoting "someone" from *a* march. The police said that a "small group" marred an otherwise peaceful protest, with 25,000 people marching. No, they are not "all" upstanding citizens... By the same token, I read comments in those comments sections of every internet news source, with numerous people from the right calling for us to kill all moslems. Should I therefore say that the Republican Party wants to kill all moslems?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 11:32 AM
  • Just as an aside, or something to think about, have you ever wondered about the cops who get shot? While blacks make up only 12% of our nation's police forces, they represent 50% of the officers killed in the line of duty. It seems that it is equally as disproportionately dangerous to be a black cop pulling someone over as it is to be a black man being pulled over. Why do you think this is?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 1:32 AM

    Lazarus you seem to always post a lot of statistical information so I am wondering what source you are using.

    Based on the FBI website for 2014 these are the numbers in regard to the statistics you posted above about officers being killed.

    ◾In 2014, 51 law enforcement officers died from injuries incurred in the line of duty during felonious incidents.

    ◾By race, 47 of the victim officers were white, 2 were black, and 2 were Asian/Pacific Islander.

    ◾In 2014, 45 law enforcement officers died as the result of accidents that occurred in the line of duty.

    ◾Of the 45 officers who were accidentally killed, 43 were white, and 2 were Asian/Pacific Islander

    The above info found here; https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2014/officers-feloniously-killed

    Obviously these numbers yield no where near 50%. So maybe your source is faulty, or your math?

    I would appreciate it if you could post some links to sources of info. Especially when quoting statistics.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 6:21 PM
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    I'm sure the AFBLM organizers would deny wanting cops killed but the agitators in the trenches were certainly shouting for cops to be killed. We only need to kill the muslims that are trying to kill us. If it turns out be all of them then that is their fault, not ours.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 6:45 PM
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    Seems as tho the 2 peace-loving muslims in California that killed several people the other day were neither one on any kind of watch list. I wonder if any clear-headed rational people out there would object to putting all muslims on a watch list.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 5:57 PM
  • I thought I heard early on that the male WAS on a watch list. I'm not sure what good that did but....

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 7:52 PM
  • "I wonder if any clear-headed rational people out there would object to putting all muslims on a watch list."

    Sure. Why not? Naturally, some people will protest that 99.9% of moslems present no threat, but there is no question a few hundredths of a % of them do. So lets put them all on a watch list. Just to be safe.. But you are stopping way short. If you will just look back at all the mass shootings over the past couple of decades, singling out moslems will hardly make a dent. Now, if you put everyone who owns an "assault rifle" or an "automatic handgun" on that list, you will have almost all of the shooters. Naturally, some people will protest that 99.9% of people owning those weapons will never shoot anyone. But, just to be safe...

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 10:22 PM
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    Just because I have an inquiring mind and would like to know. How many terrorist attacks on US soil will it take for the liberal politically correct crowd to finally realize we have a problem with Islam/muslims that we need to fix? 5, 10, 100? Or will it take a chemical WMD or dirty bomb? Just wondering.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Dec 5, 2015, at 9:47 AM
  • Everyone knows that the majority of mass killings in America is done by white males,that are usually called insane.This is not racist it is a fact.This man was not a refugee,he was born in America.Why put just muslims on a list and not ones who commit the biggest majority of mass killings?Colorado had 2 mass killings in less than a momth.Those were not muslims and no body mention a watch list.Republicans refused to pass a bill this week that would prevent people on a watch list from buying guns.They must really fear the NRA.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Dec 5, 2015, at 5:23 PM
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    I think they did that so the couple hundred Homeland Security agents that are on the do not fly list could keep their guns and their jobs. Somehow I'm getting the feeling there is no number of attacks that would get the libs to wake up and see the light. It gets old listening to them blame us for muslims killing us.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Dec 6, 2015, at 7:22 AM
  • There is a disconnect here somewhere. Half the people think we need to "wake up" that the actions of a few hundredths of a percent of moslems means we need to "do something" about all moslems. The other half the people think we need to "wake up" that the actions of a few hundredths of a percent of gun owners means we need to "do something" about all gun owners. I wonder how different it feels to take a bullet from one kind of nut compared to another?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Dec 6, 2015, at 12:51 PM
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    Does anyone really believe that people that won't obey the law that says "don't kill" will obey one that says "you can't have a gun? Lazarus, you are half right. You can't really compare apples to walnuts. The muslim terrorists are not "nuts", "crazy", or "insane". They are stone-cold sober as they plot and plan their dasdardly deeds. They would probably kill their own that are truly crazy. They have the backing and support of a large number of armed muslims that claim to be a new country. They know exactly what they are doing. And their goal is to destroy us and other civilized countries simply because we don't want to be muslims. The left's course of denial and trying to rationalize that islam is our friend is getting old and is very close to (if not over) the line of giving aid and comfort to the enemy. If we don't wake up soon we might as well save everyone some time and trouble and cut our own heads off.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 7, 2015, at 11:07 AM
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