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Steve Mills

Will Bernie continue?

Posted Tuesday, June 7, 2016, at 11:30 AM
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  • I believe because he is an idealist he has to test how willing voters will be to create the revolution he is hoping for. He really believes that money and corporate control have no place in government and the only way he will find out who is with him in those beliefs is to test the waters. I believe he will wait until he is forced out by the nomination process at the convention.

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 12:15 PM
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    I doubt anyone ever accused burny of being a realist. He is not a Demoncrat, he is a socialist. There is only one Party that comrade burny cares about and it isn't the one he is running in now. The convention will be reminiscent of Chicago in 68. This summer will be very interesting.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM
  • I never knew about him before he started running. Anyone else? Has he been like this all his political life or is this new?

    If he does stay active, will this hurt Hillary as the news people think? I am not sure she will spend anymore time or money on him, unless he pulls in California today.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 1:09 PM
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    I was vaguely aware there was a socialist/independent from back east in the senate before this campaign season. Didn't know anything about him, just figured he was another New England kook. Now I know I was right. Sounds like he has been crazy his whole political life. Can't understand why he started in politics tho. Sounds like he had a perfect life before. In his 40s, living in a cabin in the woods, "working" as a porn writer, being supported by his parents. Come on! Does life get any better than this?

    The longer he stays in, the more it hurts slick hilly. But not as bad as she will be hurt when she is indited. And if she isn't, she will be hurt almost as bad when the FBI director resigns because the Justice dept won't do it's job. Of course, I would not be surprised if after the nomination, b o Has them indict her so he can run uncle joe and the Indian from Massachusetts (feather, not dot).

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 1:52 PM
  • Will Bernie continue? YES, absolutely! He is a socialist. He, Hillary, Obama, and other socialist are very learned on how to implement Alinsky's tactics.

    The issue at hand, with socialist, is not the issue. The issue is POWER, which he is gaining through this campaign. Gaining power is always the objective with socialist. Because without it, they cannot obtain the level of plunder it takes to pay for the promised freebies. Of course, like all socialist states, failure is eminent, because they always run out of other peoples money to spend and the power collapses.

    Prior to running for president he was barely even heard of. Now, he is a household name. That is an increase in power. He will milk it for all it is worth. Feel the burn ;)

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 4:44 PM
  • Interesting analysis. Power is definitely the aim for the parties.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 6:47 PM
  • Bernie isn't interested in power....He is interested in change.....Of course one may argue that it takes power to change.....But some are just interested in power for personal reasons. That is not Bernie....

    And to answer the earlier question. I have known about him for decades........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 8:15 PM
  • Then he should stay in

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 8:45 PM
  • As a person who has made a living in accounting I can say that it is not difficult to create the future through numbers.....It just takes deciding on the priorities.......

    Bernie wants to prioritize rebuilding infrastructure. He wants to make it possible for our offspring to enlighten themselves through education which will benefit all of us. He wants to hold the takers accountable and make them give back to help rebuild what has been enriching their coffers at the expense of the rest of us.....This is a good business plan.... Nothing more. And this is what it is going to take to keep America great......Strengthen our plan by recognizing and building on our priorities.......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 9:25 PM
  • So, what change is Bernie wanting to make?

    According to his proposals, it is the same old tax and spend tactics that all socialist have employed. Of course, Bernie has been in politics for years, so his wording is chosen carefully. But the result is the same. More taxes and more spending as seen at this link.

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

    Wealth is created by human labor, plain and simple. Even if you are setting on a gold mine, you, or someone, has to dig it up and make use of it before it can be converted into wealth. Otherwise, it just pretty rocks that you can look at. The problem is that workers/labor are being exploited/plundered and not receiving just compensation for their efforts.

    The income gap between labor and management in this country is the highest in the world. This is because our government, instead of working to prevent the plundering of labor, has instead, worked to plunder the plunderers through taxation using as justification the obvious income gap which is caused by the initial plundering. What this really does is increase the amount of plundering that is taking place. It is like boring a hole in the bottom of a leaky boat to let out the water.

    Neither Bernie, Hillary, nor Trump, are addressing this because they are the beneficiaries of the plunder. Although Bernie is the poorest of the three, he has still amassed quite a bit of wealth for his 30+ yrs. of political life.

    There is no effort to stop the exploitation/plundering. All effort is directed at increasing the plunder with the supposed intention of re-distribution of wealth through social programs. The plunderers are firmly in power.

    http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

    Until the root problem is addressed, the plundering will continue unabated until all wealth from the working class has been consumed and the entire system collapses, just as it did in the USSR.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 9:49 PM
  • L4L......

    Have you not been paying attention ?

    What you are saying is not correct.......

    You are not listening......

    This is exactly what Bernie has been working to change.......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 10:09 PM
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    Sarahdrome , I think you are confusing the "takers" with the "makers ".

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Jun 7, 2016, at 10:17 PM
  • PDE..

    Yes I have been paying attention. I have been listening, watching and reading.

    I have apparently reached a different conclusion than you. That does not mean I am incorrect.

    It is not enough to just say someone is wrong in a discussion. You need to point out the error.

    I posted a link to Bernies proposals. What I see is a laundry list of tax increases in a parallel column with spending increases. This is not change! This is increase of what has already been going on.

    I will post it again so you can read it:

    https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

    Please tell me how any of Bernies proposals change the ratio of income between a CEO making millions a year and the part time temporary employee making less than $20k/yr. Please tell me how his proposals change the costs of college text books from $300-$400 each to a reasonable $25. Please tell me how his proposals reduce the costs of a 15min CT scan from $3000 to $300.

    These types of things is where the plunder is occurring. No politician that I am aware of is doing anything to correct them. Instead they propose to take the money from someone else to pay the bill. More PLUNDERING!

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 5:05 AM
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    Whether burny wants to or not, what he plans will either bankrupt us or leave us in crushing debt for untold generations. How exactly is that a good bussness (see previous blog) plan? Burny needs to take a Kaplan course to learn basic math.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 6:11 AM
  • A single payer system is one way to decrease the cost of medical care. Unfortunately I got to watch first hand as the doctors gradually allowed the insurance companies to take over medical payments and create a very lucrative income for the industry. Now it is those corporations who control all aspects of medical care and renumeration at the expense of all of us.......

    College books...I can't ever remember a time when books for a semester cost a " reasonable " $25.00....There are ways a clever student can reduce those costs.

    The issue of jobs and reasonable pay for those jobs is a message I hear and read about every day....Outrageous CEO pay....Wall Street carnage.....These are also issues I hear and read about and are the very reason Bernie is hoping to get traction from people who are also outraged...It is time to get the money out of politics and redirect it to what will provide our greatest benefit.....

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 6:25 AM
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    The problem with burny is he wants the politicians (him) to control all the money . If you want to wait months or years for elective surgery enduring a poor quality of life and have less than high quality doctors just punching a clock, then socialized medicine is for you. What burny wants to do is turn all the makers into takers. At that point we all will be dependent on the government for everything and will (amazingly) be forced to do what they tell us to (slave labor).

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 10:58 AM
  • I guess waiting for surgery is better than not getting it at all since that is what is happening with a lot of Americans now under republican governors who will not expand Medicaid.

    Bernie needs to go quietly into the night if he does not support the democratic party and its nominee.He lost last night and he needs to get over it.Take away super delegates and he still lost with number of votes and pledged delegates.If his supporters call themselves democratics they need to get on board.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 2:07 PM
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    Burny is going to hang around and see what happens with the FBI criminal investigation into slick hilly's server and the foundaripn.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 3:02 PM
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    By the way, lbr?, why do the governors need to put more people on medicaid? If they don't have insurance they need to be put in jail for breaking your beloved b o's law. And he did make it more affordable like he said, didn't he? If not, then why would you want a third term of the same?

    Speaking of burny, I feel sorry for the people of Philadelphia next month. I wonder what the DNC will be doing for security? Maybe they will get the Black Panthers. They at least have some experience in Philly. At least the ones around eight years ago.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 6:32 PM
  • Socialism leads to ruin, but somehow people, especially Democrats, think THEY can make it work.

    Venezuela is now collapsing due to Socialism. Here is an article from USA today written Yesterday by a Venezuelan immigrant who knows all to well the pitfall of socialism.

    Take the time to read his testimony;

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/06/07/venezuela-hugo-chavez-socialism...

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Jun 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM
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    Seems a little odd that no one yet has made mention of the history made a few nights ago:slick hilly finally at this late date was able (with the help of the super delegates ) to get past an elderly curmudgeon back-bencher from the Senate to become the first major party nominee for president to be under FBI criminal investigation.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jun 9, 2016, at 10:30 PM
  • Bernie was a shiftless bum for his early life.

    Not surprisingly, most of his supporters are as well.

    People who don't have jobs overwhelmingly supporting the guy promising the most freebies.

    http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-sanders-donors/

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 4:24 AM
  • The comment that Bernie was a "shiftless bum" motivated me to do a little research. (thanks) Maybe not as much as some of you but what I found does not support some of the statements made about him.

    I am not a Bernie supporter nor do I claim wikipedia is an end-all factual site but most of what is said here refutes the "supported by his parents at 40" claim since they died shortly after he graduated from high school and does not match up with what I would call a "shiftless bum". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

    In fact, even though I disagree with much of his platform, I would actually say he is probably the most principled one of the current three. He does not seem to hide what he thinks, and has stayed true to much of what he says.

    Of course, he's a "politician" so I have reservations about anyone who has been in office this long but, he actually impresses me for his convictions. Not enough to vote for him, because I do not agree with those convictions, but still.....

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 9:24 AM
  • Hillary would be the nominee even without the super delegates since she had the most pledged delegates and was the peoples choice with the most votes by millions.Bad week for Trump,Hillary and Warren wiped the floor with him and all he could tweet was Pocahontas and Goofy.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 12:37 PM
  • Steve,

    Having a job, and supporting yourself with a job are entirely different things.

    I've yet to find a source saying Sanders supported himself before he was 40.

    http://spectator.org/65498_bernie-sanders-didnt-make-paycheck-until-he-turned-40...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM
  • He is a sleeper socialist. He was planted by Lenin and programmed to become active just when the time was right. Hillary will falter because of all the legal issues she has and Bernie will take over the party and beat Trump in the November election. After which he will reign for a thousand years and socialism will take over the world. All this is coordinated from the basement of his parents home. They are aliens from a socialist planet in a galaxy far far away. Resistance is futile.

    -- Posted by devan on Tue, Jun 21, 2016, at 3:06 PM
  • Whew! Glad that's resolved. We can (should) move on now.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Jun 21, 2016, at 5:35 PM
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