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Steve Mills

Are there copies of the actual bills being put forth for gun control?

Posted Thursday, June 23, 2016, at 7:24 AM
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  • -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 9:30 AM
  • I agree that those on terror lists, no fly lists, etc. should be restricted BUT who makes those lists?

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    In theory, this sounds like it might be a good idea, but what about due process and innocent until proven guilty?

    As Martin Luther King said, a right delayed is a right denied.

    Instead of denying rights based on suspicion, why not ramp up the investigations and make a decision?

    The Orlando shooter certainly had enough clues to indicate what was going on. If the FBI can ferret out this information now, they could have done so then.

    Reports are he cheered the 9/11 attacks and was sent home from school.

    A gun shop reported him as suspicious for trying to buy body armor, weapons, and asking strange questions.

    His co-workers reported his behavior.

    Likely, the FBI, and others, were afraid of being branded a racist for pursuing the investigation.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 9:44 AM
  • FWIW-Germany has very strict gun laws yet a nut shot up a German theater killing/injuring up to 50 people.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/23/germany-shooting-man-opens-fire-in-ci...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 10:19 AM
  • Thanks for the link Quiet Mike. Now to read.

    The lack of definition on who is on that list bothers me too.

    Have we hear who made the decision to drop him off the list? It is hard to believe he was not on the short list from all we hear and read.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 10:49 AM
  • So..... in short (if there is such a thing) the link you gave us QM is adjustments to the Assault Weapons Ban Bill of 2015?

    This means we need to have that available to reference as we go through all the changes?

    If so, why do they not make the changes and re-submit it in its' entirety so we can read, it, evaluate it and judge it all in the same document?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 11:08 AM
  • Do these statements mean ANYTHING that accepts a clip is an assault weapon? I can see a problem here, if that is what they mean since I believe many semi-automatic pistols I know have clips.

    A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine

    A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine

    And what do they mean by a pistol grip? Many rifles and shotguns have an ergonomic stock that has a semi-pistol grip.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 11:45 AM
  • Detachable magazine plus pistol grip or barrel shoud or threaded barrel or a folding/collapsable stock meets the "asault weapons" criteria and would be banned.

    The pistol grip they describe is one like on AKs or ARs, not on common bolt action rifles or shotguns.

    Any gun with only a detachable magazine would be restricted to 10 rounds.

    AFAIK the new bills are based on this one, which is nearly identical to the bill that Clinton passed in the 90s.

    As usual, these bills are based in emotion and not sound logic. Seriously how does a barrel shroud make a gun more dangerous? Wouldn't wearing gloves offer the same "benefit"?

    More people are beaten to death every year than are killed with rifles, much less the rifles described in this bill.

    In the 40s and 50s gun safety was taught in schools and most kids grew up being educated about guns by their family. In the south, that education continues today.

    In other areas people are "educated" by movies and the nonsense promulgated by the media, which has no semblance to reality. This leads to politicians and "experts" telling us about "ghost guns" "extremely powerful" rifles chambered for varmit calibers, and other such nonsense. Nevermind the wild tale of getting PTSD from shooting an AR15 with its punishing recoil and smell of sufur, when 9 year old girls win 3 gun competitions using an AR15, and smokeless powder has no sulfur in it.

    But such nonsense plays well to those whose minds are already made up and are not interested in facts.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 1:11 PM
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    Before Germany had it's current strict gun laws, they had no problem with gun violence. From the citizens. Cause the guvment had all the guns. Something to think about.

    Part of the reason way back when for having A2 was no doubt so we could protect ourselves from each other. But a bigger reason was so we could protect ourselves from the tyranny of the federal government. There is no way our (American citizens) right to keep and bear arms should be infringed. If and when thru due process a person gets on a list, then they should not be able to buy a gun. I wonder if they would also be prohibited from buying a pressure cooker or nails? By the way, does anyone know how many people were killed and injured at the Boston Marathon terrorist event? And of those, how many were killed or injured by guns?

    I have a bit of sympathy for the FBI. They have to follow the PC rules b o gives them which makes them come across as ignorant and incompetent. They had to have known the muslim terrorist they interviewed in the past was dangerous but could not prosecute. Because he claimed he had his little feelings hurt because people made fun of him, so it was perfectly understandable he would cheer when the towers went down. It all comes back to b o's and the left's idea that terrorism isn't due to terrorists. And certainly not due to muslims. It is due to us. Our fault. And in fact it is turning into a self-fulfilling prophesy. The more the country refuses to identify and fight the real cause, the more it really does become our fault.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 1:14 PM
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    Quietmike, don't talk too much about more people being beaten to death than killed with rifles. If the powers that be find out, in addition to wanting to take our arms, they will want to take our hands too. On the other hand, it doesn't really matter what anyone says, b o and his gang will do whatever they want.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jun 23, 2016, at 3:36 PM
  • What always blows my mind is there is never any talk about responsibility, safety,and accountability.Being one who does a living history display on the guns of the 1800's,I'm ashamed at how many children think guns are toys.There parents don't own a gun,but that doesn't give a excuse for not educating on gun safety.My question is where are the law enforcement officers who used to teach gun safety at schools?At my events I end up teaching more about gun safety than history.Yet,the government feels we aren't responsible with firearms.I can attest that many politicians,law enforcement officers,and even judicial employees aren't qualified nor responsible to have a firearm.A firearm is a tool that can be used for recreation,self defense,collecting and educating.The solution to fun violence will come thru education,accountability,responsibility and we the people holding the government accountable.I've had a argument with a cop who was giving me a little trouble over my living history display.I responded I wouldn't have to teach gun safety if you and your people would do your job.I hope it sank in and a gun safety class is developed for public schools.I only wish that the American people would get involved in teaching and educating on gun safety.If the government won't then we need to.I'm willing to have a cop or even a Federal officer stand beside me at a school whIle I teach

    I'm sure he or she would learn a thing or two from my presentation.Besides it's about our children getting the necessary tools and resources to make good choices.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 10:11 AM
  • Beau, I think gun safety training for everyone would be excellent, especially youth. I know some parents would raise a fuss, so it would have to be optional but if they have guns in their house they darn well better teach them to respect what it can do.

    Our mother hated guns but our father was a firearm enthusiast and hunter. He taught us all how to properly handle them and to consider them ALL loaded, even if we were 101% sure they were not.

    Someone may never pick up a gun again, but just like swimming, it is good to know what and how to handle yourself in case you do. Even if you just found it on the street or in a field.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 3:52 PM
  • For those who sent me links to the Congressional conversation and links to the amendments, thank you. I sure with they could just talk plain English and write bills the same way.

    I also think a firearm registration bill needs to stand on its' own. NOT an amendment to some other bill that has nothing to do with the topic.

    I guess that goes for all these "add-ons". Sneak them in on the tails of something else.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 3:55 PM
  • With murder already being illegal in every jurisdiction, carrying the highest penalties society has to offer, and that still not being a deterrent, how would a gun law help?

    The only rationale is believing a completely gun free society is a possibility.

    When cocaine and heroin are impossible to find, we can revist that idea.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jun 27, 2016, at 10:37 AM
  • Following an active shooter event, two questions are usually always asked, but most people arrive at the wrong conclusion. The only proper conclusion is that if they purchased the gun legally, the gun laws didn't work. If they purchased it illegally, the gun laws didn't work. Conclusion; No gun law will ever prevent any criminal or terrorist from obtaining one. Period.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Mon, Jun 27, 2016, at 11:44 AM
  • It is hard to find any way to disagree with the above 2 post by quietmike and timlokey. They are as close to a truth as you could possibly get especially on this topic.

    I personally believe that the answer is not anti gun but rather pro gun carry.

    If someone had been armed among the attendees of the club that night the carnage count might have been quite different.

    Even if you venture to argue that the attendees who are consuming alcohol should not be allowed to possess a firearm you should at least be able to agree that the non consuming workers such as the bartenders, waiters and waitresses, bouncers, security guards, etc., etc...possibly could have and probably would have reduced the numbers of whom were injured or killed if they were all armed with protection.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, Jun 27, 2016, at 4:14 PM
  • Yes,a pro gun carrying public can possibly reduce the mass shootings,but it takes training and knowledge to stop a shooter.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Mon, Jun 27, 2016, at 9:42 PM
  • AND the determination to use it if necessary.

    Some of us may not have thought it through, but if you carry and pull the weapon in a life/death situation, you HAVE TO be willing to use it.

    Otherwise you are elevating a bad situation and possibly providing the criminal with another weapon.

    Along with gun safety, we were taught to not pull it or even carry it unless we were ready and trained to use it. Same thing went with knives. Otherwise we are liable to be hurt with our own weapon.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 9:56 AM
  • I agree.

    It should require training and testing to carry.

    Maybe it does. I am not familiar with what is involved with becoming eligible to carry a firearm.

    I do know though that I would be more comfortable in public places knowing that at least half the people were carrying.

    Even at church.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 4:41 PM
  • BA,

    Tennessee requires a class that deals with the legalities of carrying and self defense and also live fire practice to show a basic level of safety and proficiency.

    After that, the state does a thorough background check before issuing a carry permit.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 5:40 PM
  • In somewhat related news, on July 1st any business or property owner who posts a no weapons allowed sign, assumes liability for the safety of anyone prevented from carrying who is subsequently injured in a manner that could have been prevented had he been armed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 5:47 PM
  • Interesting.

    In my second above post I had at first typed that I was waiting for the day to occur that someone who has been injured in a mass shooting massacre to file civil suit against owners for failing to provide adequate security in a public place.

    I erased the comment before sending it through because I felt I would be rebuked for even thinking such a thought.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 7:13 PM
  • I own several firearms that I use for reenacting, teaching and recreation.I feel that one must be proficient, safe and demonstrate a degree of cool headedness.Even in our battles firing blanks it's amazing how many freeze up,panic and do unsafe things.I had a person freak out and pulled a revolver out of my holster.Another started running back and fired his musket close to my left ear which I have trouble with ringing.Can one imagine what would happen if we fired live rounds.I am a number one proponent of carrying a firearm,but safely and accepting responsibility.Being shot at for real isn't a pleasant experience that I want to do on a regular basis.I also believe a armed society is a polite society.The number one cause of shooting fatalities is suicide.Maybe a focus on mental health may help prevent the needless deaths.Safety, responsibility, accountability, and knowledge can help in preventing firearm deaths.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 9:57 PM
  • I forgot to state that Mr Mills your statements were right on track.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 10:01 PM
  • And today's "good guy with a gun" news story.

    Anti-Obama, responsible gun advocate mom, kills her daughters during family argument.

    http://boingboing.net/2016/06/27/semiautomatic-handgun-advocate.html

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 11:34 AM
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    Well Arvy, I wonder if you were able to take "everyone's" guns away, what would be the death toll from gun violence then? People that want to kill will kill. The misguided youth (I hope that is ok to label them as such)that killed and wounded many a few years ago in Boston did so with common things found around the house, not guns.Taking guns away and having gun free zones just puts the average person at more risk since they would no longer be able to protect themselves. And there is no way anyone can round up all the guns in criminals' hands.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 12:29 PM
  • In today's gun control success story news...

    At least 18 people shot, including a 4 year old boy, in Chicago in less than a 24 hour period.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 12:38 PM
  • It does not sound like a family argument. She called a "family meeting" and shot them when they arrived. It was planned murder and possibly "suicide by cop".

    More information is that family members were concerned about the mother's mental health and probably should have taken action to remove the gun from her control, but didn't.

    My father was an avid gun collector but when my mother voiced concerns about them being in the house (she was fighting dementia along with her cancer) my father chose to have them all removed from the house. He took responsible action.

    In this case I am afraid, no one was in a position to do anything besides the very daughters who were shot. In hindsight (always the best) they should have notified local authorities.

    The Chicago violence would most likely not be controlled by tighter gun laws.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 2:34 PM
  • Good points Steve. I personally know a few people with their conceal/carry permit that I think are sketchy. Believe me, I certainly don't feel any safer knowing that they are out in our community. I don't ever want to be around them when a minor dispute turns into a wild west shootout.

    And studies show that people that have a gun in their home are much more likely to die or have a family member killed by accidental shooting, homicide, etc., then thwarting any would be killer that's breaking into your home.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 3:00 PM
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    You should feel safer when out and about if you carried. Assuming you knew how to use it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 5:09 PM
  • -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 6:32 PM
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    If you carry a weapon in your car, it can not be loaded. The ammo must be so many feet away from the weapon. Yet if you carry, it can be loaded.

    If you carry, why should someone not think YOU are a shooter if they see a gun on you and start shooting at you.

    Someone who knew you were carrying a weapon could walk up to you and disarm you and shoot you before you knew what they were doing. We just don't suspect people of doing crazy things.

    Then lets look at "Terrorist Lists". Have you ever googled "who is on FBI Terrorist List"? Here is just a few; A Preacher, a Farmers Almanac subscriber, anyone who saves money, anyone who writes a lot of checks, anyone who stocks up, food, guns, money, medicine, or any of a hundred things. The list goes on and on. It is just plain stupid because we could all be on their list.

    Passing more Gun Control Laws and imposing restrictions on weapons or magazines is a violation of our rights because the right to bear arms CAN NOT BE INFRINGED UPON!

    But then, do you know your rights? If not, you don't have any and must obey their restrictions.

    Take the guns away and people will just strap bombs to their bodies and kill that many more innocent people and family Members.

    That is why we call it a Terrorist Attack! We don't know What, When, Where, How or Who!

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 7:16 PM
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    PICTURE THIS!

    A photo of Barack Hussein Obama the second and under it the words;

    "I am not the Commander in Chief, I am just a Monitor. I do not stop the terrorists, I just tell you when there is a terrorist attack!"

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 7:20 PM
  • QuietMike, I may have missed something, but the Harvard study seemed to conclude that guns were just a means to an end and if the guns were removed, another means would be used to achieve the end?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 9:11 PM
  • I believe that the bottom line is safety, responsibility, accountability and education.I read all the comments and yes I feel some concealed carriers are a danger to themselves and others but on the other hand there's cops that are a danger to themselves and others.It comes down to the individual and the ability to know right from wrong. For me a gun is a tool that I use to defend livestock and recreational shooting.I prefer to keep it that way.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Wed, Jun 29, 2016, at 10:14 PM
  • Steve, that is true. One only needs to look at England's current efforts to "bin the blades" after knife crimes took a dramatic uptick after their gun bans.

    But I guess to some, being eviscerated is preferable to the indignity of being killed with an evil gun.

    The drop in crimes cited by the anti Constitution crowd in England after their bans was due to the highest rate of new police hiring in their history, as there was a period between the ban, before the new hirings where crime increased.

    http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-...

    The murder rates in the US are largely due to a few inner city slums with very strict gun laws, such as Chicago, DC, New Orleans, and a few others skewing the results.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 3:39 AM
  • Mike, your link and your stats are bogus. And please don't be like Carl and blame me of "shooting the messenger".

    If the author of your link where you get your info has been discredited, and the subject of an ethics inquiry for producing faulty data, then I'm not shooting the messenger. I'm just discrediting your source, and your stats.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/12/17/who-is-gun-advocate-john-lott-191885

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:21 AM
  • Sorry for the typo on the link. Will repost

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:22 AM
  • http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/john-lott-guns-crime-data

    Here's a different link about the same guy

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:31 AM
  • Here's another link with stats on gun violence in the U.S with sources listed.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:46 AM
  • Since links are becoming a trend http://ktla.com/2016/06/27/oregon-mother-shoots-kills-intruder-found-hiding-in-k...

    No details so we don't know who the intruder was nor why he was there. Hiding in the house? Who would ask questions?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 10:28 AM
  • I do want to state that in all of these links,studies and reports, I've yet to see a common sense approach to the problem.Never do I see increased need for gun safety education, responsibility, accountability or actual hands on involvement.I remember gun safety at my high school, Boy Scouts and JROTC.The fact is there are as many guns in America as there are people.We must learn how to deal with the situation as a whole.Start blaming the individual who commits the act,not the public.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:06 AM
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    Uncle Phil, I truly hope you are never in a situation where you really want and need a loaded gun and the ability to use it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:08 AM
  • Who's this Uncle Phil?I don't get the reference.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:12 AM
  • Steve, I'm not sure if it's the same story, but I heard one just like that on the news the other day also. It turned out the guy was an intoxicated neighbor from down the street that wandered into the wrong house.

    But like you said, who asks questions. Lock and load baby! Shoot first, ask questions later.

    More guns, more guns! That's what we need. Let's go back to the Wild West days where everybody just walked around town with a pistol on their hip. Yep....them was the good ole days.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:24 AM
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    Phil Valentine. Conservative radio talk show host. Some (me included) suspect he is blogging here as "Rocket Valentine" just for laughs and giggles. Since most of what "RV" says is nonsense. And he really hates it when people point out the obvious.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:53 AM
  • I was kind of scratching my head about Phil too.

    RV the only thing I have found about an intoxicated neighbor was back in May, in Odessa, TX. In that case the drunk neighbor knocked the door in and lunged at the homeowner "in the early morning hours".

    I am sorry for things that "happen", but I would not have asked questions then either. Someone busts in my door at ANY hour, let alone at night, I am not going to ask them if perhaps they are in the wrong house. They sure are, one where the inhabitants defend themselves.

    The story I originally referenced said they found the person hiding in a child's bedroom sometime in the early morning hours again. Hiding to me means that they know they are in someone else's house.

    This was a woman alone with children. I don't know anyone who would suggest she ask the person if he had a rough childhood and meant to be somewhere else.

    Now there could be more to the story, but at face value, I would not want to bury family because she hesitated, worrying about why that person was in her house.

    In this case, I would say she was trained on how to use the weapon, and ready to use it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 11:56 AM
  • Hmmmm, I would be flattered if this blog brought that much attention but I don't see enough similarities. I listen to him occasionally now and at one time years ago, listened to him quite often as I was driving during his time slot.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 12:46 PM
  • Yeah, we share the same name, but that's about it...thank God.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 12:50 PM
  • You mean you don't do pole dancin'? Tomorrow's a big day for that. LOL

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 1:11 PM
  • RV,

    Motherjones as a serious source???

    Around 60% of gun deaths are suicides.

    Most gun murders are inner city thugs killing each other.

    If you're not chronically depressed and don't think the movie Boyz in the Hood is the blueprint for your life, your chances of being killed by someone with a gun in the US is nearly zero.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 1:25 PM
  • RV, the mediamatters link is jibberish.

    Also Lott had nothing to do with the Harvard study.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 1:28 PM
  • Ok, tell that to the parents of kids from Sandy Hook, or Columbine, or the church patrons from the Emanuel church killed by the right-wing racist gun nut.

    And your only solution is that everybody should carry guns wherever they go.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 2:14 PM
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    Look at it for what it is.

    Hillary Clinton is a deceiver, liar, thief, killer and a very non-responsible woman. She speaks about helping women but has never helped any women. She accepted money from countries that rape and kill their women.

    YET, yes YET 51% of the American idiots are wanting to put her in charge of running our country. That PROVES that 51% of the Americans are just plain Brain Dead. They have NO COMMON SENSE, so why would anyone think these Americans should carry guns on them?

    We need to carry weapons on us more than ever now because of these ZOMBIE Americans who are fighting against the American people, approving of Obama and Hillary destroying our country and everything we stand for. And that is the truth!

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 3:37 PM
  • RV, the murder rate is at the lowest in decades.

    Even the liberal sites have to admit as much.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/6/1456358/-We-are-more-afraid-than-ever-of...

    This after gun purchases are at an all time high.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/12/news/companies/fbi-gun-background-checks-orlando...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:28 PM
  • As for the moist panties over the thought of people with CCW permits causing "wild west" shootouts, in South Carolina a CCW holder stopped a mass shooting.

    http://www.wistv.com/story/32308903/deputies-man-opened-fire-wounded-several-at-...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 5:37 PM
  • Oh yeah Mike, everything is just peachy here.

    In the first 164 days of this year we've had 136 mass shootings.

    The three deadliest shootings in the U.S. have occurred in the last 10 years.

    49 killed in Orlando this year, 27 children killed at Sandy Hook in 2012, 32 killed at Virginia Tech in 2007.

    Then there's the Charlston church shooting from last year. The list goes on and on, and the shootings are almost a daily, or at least weekly occurrence.

    But I'm glad you think all is well.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 10:09 PM
  • https://youtu.be/lGYFRzf2Xww

    This makes me laugh every time I watch it.

    Genius

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Jun 30, 2016, at 10:43 PM
  • Orlando, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, and the Charleston church.... What do they all have in common?

    What do most mass shootings have in common?

    Liberal created unarmed victim zones.

    Alcohol kills FAR more people per year than guns, why not try prohibition?

    Drugs kill more people than guns every year, why not outlaw them?

    Why not just outlaw murder, since some think laws are the answer?

    Hard to take the apoplectic writings about the dangers of guns seriously from people who think it's great to kill unborn babies.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 5:32 AM
  • I'm a bit embarrassed that I sat through the whole cartoon looking to find some value. Should have known by the film ad in front of it.

    Of course, it is probably reality for some which is sad but I should have read the note underneath extolling the virtues of the clip before watching it all.

    It had Michael Moore's name in it which would have stopped me immediately and also had a statement Variety Magazine that described as, "Worth the price of admission". I wholeheartedly agree. I paid nothing and got what it was worth.

    Why do people who feel this way about the history of this Nation stay here?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 8:28 AM
  • Mass shootings I presume are more than one? No doubt a sad statistic for our society.

    I know it was not as easy to keep record of gun deaths before the internet but I wonder if any group has looked at how they compare with 30, 50, 80, 100, 150 years? Excluding war, of course.

    Was the Wild West as deadly or is that just in movies?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 8:36 AM
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    There is some difference between guns and uterine currettes. You have to be up close and real personal to kill with the currettes. Guns on the other hand can accomplish the task from a distance. You also don't hear the anti-gun crowd crying about knives and garottes . Now I guess I should quit thinking the reason some of the lefties don't want to work is because they are afraid to get their hands dirty.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 8:40 AM
  • The anti-gun crowd overwhelmingly speaks from a position of ignorance.

    This isn't an insult.

    Most have no working knowledge or even basic understanding of guns or ammunition or how either works.

    They just repeat what they're told to repeat by politicians and other dolts in the media.

    They are like the Indians in the old western shows from the 50s who are amazed at the "magic thunder stick".

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 12:49 PM
  • No worries here Mike. The ignorance of your post insults no one but yourself. We liberals are gun owners, military people that fight and die for our country.

    The difference is we understand that some common sense gun laws could save lives, without being paranoid that somebody is going to come take all our guns away.

    But I understand, that's what the "dolts in the media" from Fox News and 99.7 FM have told you. So you believe it.

    Bless your little heart.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 2:07 PM
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    The kids were told they can't bring guns and knives to school, then the schools let retarded Americans in their schools who are carrying automatic weapons.

    Some safety precaution that is when there is no one with a weapon to defend any of them.

    Mother shoot her two kids to death while he husband pleaded with her. If he had a gun he could have shot her to death before she shot the kids. If she wanted to hurt her husband why not shot him? She was just a part of the 51% who think Hillary would be a great American President.

    49 killed in Orlando this year, 27 children killed at Sandy Hook in 2012, 32 killed at Virginia Tech in 2007, Then there's the Charleston church shooting from last year. The list goes on and on, and the shootings are almost a daily, or at least weekly occurrence.

    What do all these horrible shooting have in common - the good people don't have any guns on them. They are just sitting ducks at a shooting Gallery waiting for God or the Devil, which ever one comes first.

    Same holds true with the foreign countries. No guns to protect themselves with. Must rely on cops who aren't around when you need them.

    Just like our Military forces under Obama's command. They are just sitting ducks. They have weapons but aren't suppose to fire on the enemy.

    13,000 air strikes and only 170 Isis killed. Sure wouldn't want Obama protecting me NOR Hillary Clinton. They both wear pant suits.

    Common Sense Gun Laws? We have more gun control laws than they can enforce. If they can't enforce them why make more. It will only confuse the Brain Dead 51%.

    The United States Commander-in-Chief has been warned by the terrorists that there will be a horrific attack if we punish the Boston Marathon Bomber. Let's see how that goes now that we know about it.

    We have laws in this country that prevents people from walking around with explosives on them. However, the law doesn't stop them. Gun control laws won't stop the killers either.

    If you LOVE Your Country - You better start learning what your rights are and start protecting them by using them.

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 3:55 PM
  • RV,

    If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know the deadliest mass shooting wasn't in the last 10 years. The worst mass shooting was 126 years ago.

    Please tell us how your "common sense gun laws" would help, when murder is already 100% illegal in every jurisdiction?

    Paris had very strict gun laws.

    Chicago, DC,and New Orleans do as well, where are the promised results?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Jul 1, 2016, at 5:19 PM
  • A great article about the racist history of gun control.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/2900230/the-really-really-racist-history-of-gun-control-...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jul 2, 2016, at 5:33 PM
  • Instead of a bunch of laws that don't work,why don't we start holding the individual responsible for there actions.I've yet to hear some of you talk about responsibility, safety and accountability. Yes quietmike I know all about the incident you are talking about. 1890 the Battle of Wounded Knee.If memory serves me,it was the 7th Cavalry looking to avenge the beating they took at the Battle of Little Bighorn.Things went south in a real hurry and many innocent people lost there lives.However,I really don't see the point of it being brought up.A focus on today's issues and how to combat them is the number one prority instead of beating a dead horse.Our focus should be on educating the public and getting involved.Gun safety classes,mentoring at risk youth,rifle teams,and community involvement are just a few ways to start on the right path.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Sun, Jul 3, 2016, at 12:03 AM
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    Beau, you make a very good point. People need to be held responsible for what they do. The problem in this day and age is half the people or more think their only responsibility is to let everyone else take care of them. Until we as a group regain our lost respect for life (all), we will have problems with people killing other people with guns or something else.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jul 3, 2016, at 6:25 AM
  • Beau,

    It was brought up to demonstrate the anti's only repeat what they've been told and don't study the issues for themselves.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jul 3, 2016, at 3:03 PM
  • Fair share you think every problem in America is caused by as you say people letting everyone else take care of them. What has that got to do with gun safety? More americans need to take responsibility for gun safety.That is why so many children are being killed by guns that their ignorant parents leave laying around the house loaded.Everyone wants guns but do not care about gun safety.The house where the 3 year old that shot and killed himself last week I noticed on news a 2nd Amendment sign in front of the house.I can not understand why everyone is not for background checks and no fly no buy.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Jul 3, 2016, at 3:36 PM
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    Lbr?, what part of "People need to be held responsible for what they do" do you not understand? I don't think every problem is caused by people letting everyone else take care of them. Almost half are doing the taking care of. And of course, some of our problems are caused by other things. Such as lack of respect for (all) life. I do commend you on your conservative notion that we need to take responsibility for gun safety. Now I feel better that Beau, Mike, you and me all agree on something.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Jul 3, 2016, at 6:08 PM
  • LBR,

    People oppose no fly no buy because we have due process.

    That list is created arbitrarily, without informing people they're on the list, and with no mechanism to appeal being put on the list.

    What if, instead of guns, it was voting that was restricted if you were on the list?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jul 4, 2016, at 6:43 AM
  • Quitemike that is exactly what bothers me about no fly, no buy. Who makes the list, what criteria and how do you appeal or defend yourself?

    Years ago a red headed friend who could have been a poster child for the Irish separatist movement used to get extra "attention" when he boarded planes. He did not like it but understood why, but he was never banned from flying so he "lived with it".

    He might have lost his job if he had been put on a no fly list and it would have been totally incorrect.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Jul 4, 2016, at 7:32 AM
  • Happy Independence Day!

    I hope the sights and sounds of fireworks, which represent the privately owned canon, rockets, sniper rifles, and warships, which were the equal of government arms of the time, don't cause any angst among our progressive democrats.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jul 4, 2016, at 1:13 PM
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    But if it does, quietmike already gave you your trigger warning and it is now time to go to your safe zone.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Jul 4, 2016, at 1:31 PM
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