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Steve Mills

Why is the UK leaving the EU?

Posted Friday, June 24, 2016, at 3:04 PM
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  • Immigration...period

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 4:16 PM
  • They were having trouble with immigration under the EU rules? I noticed that "free movement of people".

    It would also bother me if a "union" wrote "legislation in justice and home affairs".

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 4:21 PM
  • Would it be fair to say this was an experiment in creating a one world government?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 4:22 PM
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    Tho Carl didn't get it up ( the blog ) on this one, he is right. 52% of the Brits actually want to be a real country. That means controlling the border and immigration. Congrats to the Brits and their common gesture to the One World Order.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 5:03 PM
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    They were having trouble with immigration BECAUSE of the EU.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 5:12 PM
  • I guess it would be like all of North and Central America being tied together and we would have to let other countries determine who gets in our country by default of their decisions.

    Of course, we are doing a great job of our own but at least it is OUR fault not some other nation's.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 9:38 PM
  • I thought it was originally just about homogenizing the currency. Never realized they had tried the rest.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 9:39 PM
  • I spent most of the last week with some folks from England, and you are basically correct; although their response was more succinct; "Eastern Europeans." The old soviet block countries are desperately poor in comparison with western Europe, and "refugees" quite naturally began streaming out of the poor countries and into the modern ones. England's situation was complicated by having the most expansive social welfare laws in western Europe. Whereas countries like France (for example) were housing the "refugees" in large camps and providing only basic shelter, medical care, and food, England was endeavoring to integrate all these people into the general population. Naturally, England became the target destination for the refugees, and other countries (like France) were only too happy to expedite their progress. I don't think anyone had an objection to the concept of a United Europe, similar to the United States, but there was a failure of leadership to figure out a way to handle the sudden combination of very poor countries with very wealthy ones.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 9:44 PM
  • Britain has never used the euro...they kept their pound sterling all along.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 9:44 PM
  • There is a certain irony here. I see the same people who complain bitterly about the bias in media, applying their own biases in ascribing a rationale to actions in relation to the EU which are really not a factor. I am sure that there are some chest-thumping nationalists who want out of the EU for those reasons, but the decisions were based on more pragmatic purposes....

    You will find a good summary for the reason some countries opted out of the Euro as their official currency at http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/050515/why-these-european-countri... . Just as with the movement of people, there are lots of issues to be worked thru before these diverse countries can all combine their financial structure under one currency. I deal with a lot of Europeans, both on a business and a personal level. (admittedly, slanted towards the educated portion of the population) and the fear of the mythical "one world government" has never come up. Possibly that is because they are intimately familiar with the challenges of forming even a cooperative between a group of willing states, with primarily common interests. The idea that anyone could unite the entire world under one government is recognized as ludicrous. Most of them would like to see the issues worked out, so that Europe could enjoy the benefits we enjoy by having 50 different states united under one government. Altho national policy will never be advantageous to all 50 states, the unity is beneficial to us as a whole.... altho I am pretty sure the other 49 states have always had to pull Alabama's weight.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Jun 24, 2016, at 10:28 PM
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    I thought it was Kentucky's.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 4:36 AM
  • Pretty hard to argue with that, Fare Share.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 5:58 AM
  • If I am understanding the comments here, the main reason for the UK leaving is basically the overloading of social welfare systems which is caused by immigration of the "refugees" or poor. This (immigration) is not unlike what we are seeing in the U.S.

    I know I preach this a lot, but again, the root cause is "plunder". It is merely part of the human condition to try to obtain the most (plunder/money) with the least amount of effort (work/pain).

    While I can agree that establishing a one world government will be difficult, it is not impossible. It has been tried many times in the past and always failed. However, ONE factor that has always been missing, needed to establish such a government, is the ability to reduce all governments/peoples to the least common denominator. Global markets and monetary systems are vehicles to accomplish that goal. There are other vehicles such as war, pestilence, or natural disaster.

    Given the choice, those who are being plundered, in this case the people of the UK, will be in opposition while the benefactors will be in favor. Such cases can, and do, result in civil wars in which case the vehicle of plunder/consolidation has simply been changed. Let us pray that does not happen.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 7:54 AM
  • Agreed, let's hope physical violence is avoided.

    When I hear what was part of the plan, I am surprised it worked this long. The answer may in my reading but for general knowledge here, was it an a la carte menu for joining?

    Thank you by the way, for those who wrote to me off the post. I will digest what you've sent to me.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 8:42 AM
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    Well lazyrus, KY is just my personal bias. But I don't see much difference between them.

    I do see some differences between the US and the EU. The states started out as brother/sister colonies. The countries that make up the EU have been distinct countries for centuries. At least when they were not subject to other countries because of war. I think that would make a lasting union very difficult.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 11:55 AM
  • Actually, the history of Europe is one of continually changing nations and national boundaries for centuries. http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/index.html .The US has been a sovereign state longer than: Norway, Germany, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Austria (altho Austria could be considered a remnant of the Habsburg Empire), Czech Republic, Slovenia, Bosnia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia... Some of those countries have been in and out of existence many times over the centuries, and others claim the heritage of various previously extant nations. Most are relatively modern creations, younger than the US. The heritage of modern Europe, was that it first existed in the form of nations after the fall of the Roman Empire. Europe was originally unified into a single state, which later fragmented.... History does demonstrate that a lasting unification has been difficult to maintain, since the various peoples have been held subject only by military force. However, we are looking at a very different culture today, where attempts are underway to have a voluntarily unified Europe. Unless we fall back into barbarism, I believe that a United States of Europe is inevitable.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 4:48 PM
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    I just saw that after the vote, the most common Google search in the UK was "why did UK leave the EU?" Sadly, the 2nd most common search was "what is the EU?" Stupid is a very common common denominator.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 5:37 PM
  • How many of the American pundits criticizing Brexit will be celebrating the 4th of July?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Jun 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM
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    November 12, 2012

    Petitions to secede from the Federal Government are filed by 23 states since election.

    Even here in the united States of America, 23 states have wanted to break away from the Governments control. This is nothing new.

    (Petitions have been filed on behalf of the following states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas.)

    I think a lot of the EU Nations will try to break away from the EU. The EU is like our US Gov that controls things in America that it has no Authority to do legally!

    The US Gov sends immigrants all over the 48 states without any notice to the states. The states are responsible for them yet don't know who they are or where they came from of how many.

    The US Gov is too large and demanding power it doesn't have by the constitution. It is all being done by Obama and Hillary.

    Another thing to remember is that the U.S. IS the United Nations. Congress gave every Federal Agency over to the United Nations. Our US Gov is an International Company that has no authority over the people. It only has authority over the Federal Territories and Washington, DC and 14th Amendment citizens.

    It is time for the people to take back their Sovereignty and make the Government obey our laws.

    UK is just the first of several EU Nations who will try to break away.

    This break up will cause a lot of currency problems when the countries leave.

    Here is how it works; Each country that leaves will become a 3rd world country. It will have to go to the IMF to get financing to set up their country as a successful Corporation in order to run their country and trade with other nations. This would also include the billions of dollars to repair their roads and bridges, dams, and feed their people.

    Like any other person (country in this case) must provide some sort of collateral. They have none so... They MUST agree to certain conditions in order to get the financing from the IMF... At interest rates they will never be able to pay back.

    They must agree to set up a Democracy put take control of their people. Tax them and other demands that will come later. In other words... the beginning of a one world order with a one world currency.

    A one world Order? What is missing? Democracy is the One World Government. A form of Socialism that gives the appearance of Capitalism. The one World Government is controlled by a One World Judicial system. This is already in place and called Statutory Law which is the Uniform Commercial Code. This is an International law that doesn't have jurisdiction over most people unless you are a gov employee or 14th amendment citizen. It was written and controlled by the Vatican. The United States rents the Uniform Commercial Code from the Vatican for something like $250,000 per year, so it can use the One World Law.

    The next problem with all this is... RUSSIA! Russia will be scarfing up all these countries as they break away from the EU. They won't be one bit better off.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Jun 26, 2016, at 4:01 PM
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