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Steve Mills

So how is it going for Clinton and Trump?

Posted Sunday, September 4, 2016, at 5:11 PM
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  • So far, this has been the most entertaining election I can remember. And also the most baffling.While I realize that the Republicans suffer from serious deficiencies in their "leadership," I would have never dreamed they could put forth a candidate as purely terrible as Donald Trump. He is childish and petty. Worse than that, he is apparently unable to control himself, feeling compelled to respond to every real or perceived insult, regardless of the source. It is hard to imagine a "President" carrying on childish feuds with the sort of insignificant characters who seem to consume his attention. I find his limited vocabulary, and elementary school language structure pitiful. There have been a thousand points where I am astounded that anyone could consider him a potential president... such as the open question as to whether he will participate in a debate. He won't participate if he thinks the moderators will ask him hard questions. Are you serious? I can somewhat understand why. Trump has fumbled about every challenging question he has been asked. Do we really think a man who cannot deal with Megyn Kelly can deal with other world leaders? The bright spot about Trump... I have not needed to read any analysis to form an opinion on him. His own words are sufficient.

    Hillary Clinton is a little more complex. She is absolutely devoid of "charisma." Ideally a President embodies many characteristics, and while "charisma" might seem less important than most, it is a valuable asset to being a good leader at that level. If the Republicans had put up a legitimate candidate, there would be serious questions about whether she would make the best President. In the current situation, it is really only a question as to whether she would be competent. Looking at her positives; she is intelligent, articulate, and conversant with the environment in which a President must operate. Unlike Trump, I have found it informative to consider the criticisms...It would seem that the opposition has decided to rely solely on character assassination. 22 partisan witch-hunt "investigations" of the Clintons have yielded nothing of consequence. Ironically, it would seem I am supposed to believe that 22 investigations "prove" that she is dishonest. Maybe I am applying too much logic, but it would seem that, if her political opponents have been able to use millions of dollars of taxpayer money and wield the full capabilities of the federal government to prosecute 22 investigations without coming up with enough to place a single significant charge against her, she must be (in reality) the most honest politician in government.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 5:03 AM
  • 22 investigations brings to mind the sage words "Where there is smoke, there is fire".

    That is fueled by the selective memory she has or forgetfulness. "I don't recall" when Googled brings Hillary up as the top search.

    A few selections there is a description of what "I don't recall" (remember) and "I don't know" means legally. Gleaned form a comment by Albert G. Dugan Jr., Litigation Lawyer, Atlanta, GA

    "Saying "I don't know" usually means you never knew the answer to the question. By saying "I don't recall," it can be inferred that you once knew the answer but now cannot remember it due to the passage of time or for some other reason."

    The thing that concerns me is that if she does not remember because of the passage of time, she has a memory issue. (not Presidential material). If it was "for some other reason", that bothers me even more.

    This does not mean I favor Trump. I still have no real idea of what I am going to do come election day.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 10:04 AM
  • 22 independent investigations would make me think; "where there is smoke, there is fire." 22 partisan investigations that come up with zilch, and yet comprise pretty much the entire campaign strategy make me think; "they got nothing."

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 11:47 AM
  • I think "they got zilch" is up for interpretation but they got no convictions, you are right.

    As a campaign strategy, the polls are tightening but regrettably such is our politics comprised of lies and innuendos,ON BOTH SIDES!

    I wasn't evaluating Clinton regarding campaign strategy. I have given her the benefit of the doubt ever since I first heard of her with Bill. At one time I even thought she would have been a better President than Bill.

    But so much has gone on around them (the smoke) and they are just downright deceptive/evasive in their answers. Bill flat-out lied to US, the people of the United States, yet.... after the "smoke" cleared, they slipped on through.

    I guess I've become so skeptical and mistrustful that I no longer believe ANYTHING she says. She is so "legally" under control that I cringe at what deals have been done or will be done under her leadership.

    Is it even really HER leadership?

    Again, that does not mean a THING positive for Trump. I AM truly conflicted by this choice.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 12:52 PM
  • By the way Lazarus, thanks for responding. The others seemed to have drifted away with my absence, but I trust they will be back.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 12:54 PM
  • For me, this election has been a two sided affair.

    First side is the comedic stylings and antics of Mr. Trump and the comedic way that Ms. Clinton handles the media, the many officials (FBI, Senate committees, etc.) and her approach to the questions she is asked in each instance.

    Second side and most concerning is the fact that both parties felt these were the best two options we have to represent our country and these were the options we have been provided. At this point in time, Elvis Presley seems more logical from the grave.

    Heaven help us all when all is said and done and the election is over and the victor is sworn in! An already precarious world position for this GREAT nation will be thrown even more askew, no matter which is elected and takes the seat.

    As a meme I saw weeks ago said, "Do we really want someone who can't control emails being responsible for the nuclear launch codes?"

    ..and for Mr. Trump, do we really want a pompous a$$ with a God complex and the temperament of a 4 year old running this nation?

    -- Posted by Ghost_Rider on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 7:51 PM
  • I fully expect Hillary to be elected. I also fully believe she is completely corrupt. She is a proven liar on numerous occasions.

    The media bias in her favor is astounding!! Some seem to think that just because she hasn't been charged, she has not committed a crime. However, the FBI said she was not charged because they believed there was no "intent". However, they did not hesitate to charge others in the same scenario. I got a speeding ticket recently for exceeding a 30 MPH zone which I certainly didn't intend, but I was charged none the less. Seems the same laws don't apply. SURPRISE!!

    Trump could probably be elected if he could keep his mouth shut and just say "I am not Hillary Clinton". But, he has been selected as her opposition. This, to me, is by design to insure her election. Either way, the national debt is now double under Obama, healthcare costs are skyrocketing, illegal immigration is out of control, and terrorism is spreading.

    The candidates, as usual, are doing well. The country, on the other hand, is not.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 8:36 PM
  • I may do what others are planning: vote for my locals and leave the presidential slot blank.

    I have something for all of the conspiracy theorist out there. At one time Trump was a Democrat; may be he still is, a closet Democrat. His aim is to destroy the GOP as a national organization for the next 20 years.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Tue, Sep 6, 2016, at 11:01 AM
  • 22 investigations, mostly under another corrupt, democrat run justice department.

    If a regular Joe had records under subpoena and destroyed 30,000 documents, and law enforcement knew about it, they would be charged with tampering with evidence, hindering an investigation, or any number of other charges.

    Comey claimed intent was missing, yet the relevant statute clearly says intent isn't necessary.

    Hillary is the epitome of a corrupt power hungry career politician.

    Trump isn't much better.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 6, 2016, at 1:21 PM
  • I believe that we as a nation are at a breaking point.We have the millenials who don't want to work,expect a free ride and a disregard for authority.However,there's plenty of the previous generations that have enabled the current situation to come into being.Why is it in the 21st century,the KKK is gaining members by the thousands,we are tearing down monuments,have a thug mentality concerning violence,and lack of accountability and responsibility.I see people who think the world owes them everything and it's not fair someone else is more successful than they are.In short,someone is teaching the younger generation that you aren't responsible for your actions,the government will pay for everything and that socialism is a good idea.We need to reevaluate ourselves and reverse the current situation before it is too late.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Tue, Sep 6, 2016, at 3:41 PM
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    Steve, I haven't drifted away. It just took a while for me to be able to read thru the first post and not be laughing so hard I couldn't respond. I guess lazyrus thinks Trump is childish, etc, etc, while other than being a little unlikable, slick hilly smells like unicorn f*rts. I am sure Clinton would have preferred to not have to tell everyone she is either too stupid or too brain damaged to know if she was ever taught anything about security or even what "c" means. But it kept her out of jail. Of course, in reference to slick hilly, I can see that "c" could easily mean something way different than "confidential". Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what (if anything) Harambe had on slick hilly?

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 7, 2016, at 11:53 AM
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    I just heard Hillary speaking about her emails on the news. As I listen to her speaking, she doesn't make any sense at all. She tells on herself and yet isn't smart enough to hear what she is saying.

    But, then again, neither do the democrats.

    She said she didn't send or receive any classified, or secret, top secret information on her email accounts.

    Just what the hell was she emailing as the Secretary of the State? She never received or sent any classified emails?

    She had over 110 classified emails (after she deleted her emails with a bleach software. Urrh, I mean wiped it with a cloth!

    Hillary will continue this kind of progressive fumbling if she is elected as the commander in chief.

    Hillary repeated the same thing she said about Benghazi when she was referring to the mistake she made on Iraq. She said we have to see what went wrong and see to it we never do it again. The exact same thing she said after she said "What difference does it make at this time..." about Benghazi. Proves she never learned a dam thing and never will.

    Think about it! The director of the FBI said she lied about everything. She just didn't lie to the FBI. When they ask Hilary a question, she gives an answer that has nothing to do with the question asked. Listen to her sometime and you will see what I mean.

    Comey laid out the perfect evidence to try Hillary, but is recommending that the process waits until Obama is out of office and can't pardon her. If the powers to be don't rig the election and put her in office, she will be prosecuted by the new administration.

    I personally think EVERYONE in the current Administration should be tried as traitors. The admin has spent trillions of dollars on helping the enemy and letting the Americans do for themselves.

    But the last word comes from the electoral college, not the people.

    You want to show me a poll that is close to being accurate show me a poll by the electoral college voters.

    All signs point to the powers-to-be putting Hillary in office so they can pull her strings.

    Why would they get this far just to let some outsider protect our laws and stop the corruption in Washington?

    I don't see Hillary's brain working long enough to make it to election day.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Sep 7, 2016, at 11:34 PM
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    This is for the ladies,

    I really feel sorry for you! You have all joined together with pride, thinking finally a woman has made it into the race for Presidency. You stand tall thinking any woman can now become the President and she can if she works for it, but I want you to just look at what your hero has done for all you ladies.

    She has lied to get were she is today and still lying to stay there. She has no accomplishment she can brag about, (just like Obama). Hillary spoke out against the kkk endorsing Trump, just to have the grand dragon of the kkk endorse her, yet no one said a thing about that. She was under investigation for crimes that should make it impossible for her to run for any office. She lives by the Democratic policies, Socialism, slavery. Yes it was the democrats that fought the republicans to keep the slaves in slavery, not the republicans. They allowed the southern states to abolish slavery but kept them as slave in the north.

    Read your history and you will see that the democrats were against giving the women the right to vote. The values that Hillary Clinton lives by. Hillary is kissing up to the black lives matter, that want to kill cops, white or black., Hillary is against locking our borders from invaders who don't want to come here legally. Hillary wants more Syrian

    refugees coming in, no matter how many terrorists come in with them without checking them out thoroughly.

    All these refugees will be U.S. Federal Citizens and should be kept in the Federal FEMA "Relocation Centers", until they are vetted and can be placed somewhere where they can be located if need to. Obama and his Administration has invited them in so he should be housing them until we can determine who they are and what diseases they have. That won't happen as long as a democrat is in office.

    It was the Republicans that were working everyday to free the slaves and bring out the rights that women had and protected them in the constitution.

    The Republicans freed the slaves and the democrats put them back into slavery by making them U.S. Citizens under its jurisdiction with the 14th amendment. I am shocked at the number of people who actually think they are a 14th amendment citizen. The 14th amendment was enacted to give the blacks a citizenship.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 12:11 AM
  • Well, Fare, you might not be able to write for a month; what with all the laughing after last night's "performance." I had read that Trump planned to go into these things unprepared, believing he could do better just making things up, than he could if he knew anything. A half-bright 7th grader would have been ashamed of a showing like that.

    It is not a matter of whether or not I like Clinton. She is the only competent person running....and before you launch into all the conspiracy theories, I would point out that SUI agrees with you on those. The Republicans should focus on the other races, and try to limit the damage done by nominating someone so inadequate for their presidential candidate.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 1:06 PM
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    Sorry, but Hillary said it all last night.

    She said, I did not receive nor send classified information on my email, I always went into a tent when I read the classified emails.

    She didn't receive nor send classified emails so why would she say she went into a tent to read her classified emails?

    I think her Brain is going Dead.

    No "conspiracy theory" there Laz!

    Is that what you call a "COMPETENT PERSON"? That doesn't say much for your opinion!

    If you like living under a president who sells our country out and apologizes for our actions and gives taxpayer money away to terrorist Countries, then I am sure you will want to vote for Hillary Clinton along with the women and children.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 3:04 PM
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    Trump has not spent 20 or 30 years as a government employee nor a first lady of the United States, nor the Secretary of the State.

    Trump says what is on his mind and doesn't beat around the bush.

    Trump flip flopped on Iraq just like everyone else has. No big deal to me because I was against sending troops into Iraq, but when I saw Hussein was torturing his own people and the way he was doing it, made me change my mind completely. I was all for going in and taking Saddam Hussein out, regardless of any weapons of mass destruction.

    Think about it! That is a totally stupid idea. A country with weapons of mass destruction? What country worth anything does NOT has weapons of Mass Destruction? Hell, the United States sells these weapons of Mass Destruction to Foreign Countries. What do you call the Tanks and Fighter Aircraft Obama gave to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?

    President Bush bombed the Airfield "Runways" not the Fighter Aircraft on the air field, so Iraq would have weapons of Mass Destruction to defend itself from their enemies after the U.S. left.

    What would you call all those weapons of Mass Destruction we left behind because it was cheaper to leave there, than load it up and bring home, which Isis owns most of it today?

    Did Iraq have Weapons of Mass Destruction? Yes, but Iraq was GIVEN a whole lot more after the United States left Iraq.

    That is all water under the bridge.

    President Obama provided Weapons of Mass Destruction to ISIS by dropping them in Areas that ISIS could get to and take procession of.

    Weapons of Mass Destruction? That is what every Country buys from the United States in surplus Aircraft, Ships, Tanks, Rocket Launchers, and the list goes on and on . Even Russia sells its' surplus of Weapons of Mass Destruction to other Countries.

    Hillary Clinton explained the night of the Benghazi attack as the night the "CIA" in Benghazi was shipping arms to Syria. That is why the U.S. couldn't help The Americans at the US Embassy. She couldn't accept any calls from the Benghazi Embassy that night or it could blow their cover of smuggling weapons into Syria.

    Hillary is still lying about that night.

    Obama just told a Foreign Press Conference that Americans are Lazy. I wonder what Hillary thinks about that? She is following Obama's legacy of failures. Does that sound like something an American would say or a Muslim from another Country, say like Kenya, Africa?

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 3:45 PM
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    Well Lazyrus, I may still be chuckling next month about trigger happy hillary's performance last night but it won't keep me from writing. She just can't make herself not lie about those emails. The new thing now is they didn't have headers marked "classified". It doesn't take 22 or even 1 investigation (either independent or witch hunt) for me to see she is dishonest, even without my glasses on. But I do feel sorry for her. I have no proof of this, but I "feel" there is one law slick hilly has NOT violated despite her clinton privilege that she very much wants to. And that is the law of gravity. At least she hasn't banged her head hard enough to give her another concussion yet. That we know of.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 10:17 PM
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    I feel even sorrier for poor Matt Lauer. Shame on the lame stream for trying to shame him for asking the questions they should have been asking over the past year. But at least they warned the debate moderators to go easy on her. I wonder if they would have gone easier on Matt if he had started with a trigger warning and provided her with a safe space? I can see how she must have been confused since she no doubt thought she was in a safe space.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 9, 2016, at 9:27 AM
  • What does Trump supporters think of him praising a dictator and going on Russian TV? Does that sound like something an American would say after bad mouthing our military? Give him another few days and he will tell everything that went on in the intelligence briefing to Putin.If Hillary had said that she would be disqualified. I can not wait for the debates. Trump is clueless as to how to run a country.He has a bad business history and that is why he is not letting Americans see his taxes. The majority of America is interested in his taxes no matter what he says.Trump stated on camera that "you would not believe what his people found out in Hawaii about Obamas birth". Now his people are saying he believes Obama was born in America.We are still waiting for his wife's press conference about her immigration status that she was suppose to give over a month ago. Trump stated then it would be in 2 weeks.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Sep 9, 2016, at 10:44 AM
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    lets be real,

    It's going to take you a few months before you realize what Trump really said and why he said it. You seam to be very slow at understanding what is being said and done in this country.

    You need to listen to what Hillary says and try to make sense out of that. She has told so many lies that she doesn't remember what she has said. She just keeps putting her foot in her mouth and bringing others into her fraud.

    She has said that everyone knew what she was doing, so that would even include Obama and the Vice Pres. Biden, everyone in the State Dept, Colin Powell, John kerry and congress. I would think Obama and Joe would try to convince everyone that THEY DID NOT KNOW What Hillary was doing, like Colin Powell did.

    Neither has disavowed that fact, and if you remember, Hillary is telling everyone the truth!

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Sep 9, 2016, at 3:59 PM
  • What I keep hearing is that "Trump says what he thinks." However, I do not believe that is quite accurate. It is rather a case that Trumps speaks without thinking. This is why there are the endless retractions, reversals, and (incredibly, in this day when everything is recorded for posterity) denials that he said these things at all. Rather than blaming his issues on the lack of a filter, and failure to prepare; Trump blames the media for his intemperate speech. This was the first thing he did on his recent anti-America propaganda piece on Russian State TV.

    "Asked during the RT America interview what has surprised him most about the political process, Trump unloaded on the American press. 'Well, I think the dishonesty of the media. The media has been unbelievably dishonest,' Trump responded. 'I mean they'll take a statement that you make which is perfect and they'll cut it up and chop it up and shorten it or lengthen it or do something with it. And all of a sudden it doesn't look as good as it did when you actually said it. But there's tremendous dishonesty with the media. Not all of it, obviously, but tremendous dishonesty,' he said." (Washington Post, although this is just an excerpt from the interview)

    Having listened to more than I care of Trump's extemporaneous, rambling speeches, I know one thing. He cannot be taken out of context, because nothing he says has context.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 9, 2016, at 4:22 PM
  • Trump doesn't have the experience of Hillary.

    He's never dodged snioer fire in Bosnia.

    Never responded to a spontaneous terror attack caused by a youtube video.

    Was never named for a famous mountain climber before he became famous.

    Isn't a descendant of four immigrant grandparents.

    Didn't leave the white house dead broke, and amass a multimillion dollar fortune in a few years.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Sep 10, 2016, at 12:45 AM
  • Trump got his money from his father who cheated poor people all his life.Trump thinks he is not responsible stupid quotes he says,everyone else is.He went on Russian TV and trashed America,oh excuse me ,he did not know it was Russian TV.He can not admit he was wrong on his birther issue,he is not talking about that now. That is one of the reasons 99% of Blacks will not vote for him.His thinks his illegal donation to Bondi is not wrong but the Clinton foundation is all he talks about.He admires dictators who kills reporters and not allow freedom of the press.If he and his supporters think Russia is so well run by Putin they should move there.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 10, 2016, at 11:47 AM
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    Lbr?, I give the Blacks a lot more credit than you do. I am sure that more than 1% have enough intelligence and critical thinking skills to see that the past 50 years of Demoncrat propaganda is the new plantation.

    Laz, I learned a long time ago not to believe something just because it is in the paper or on the tv news. Sometimes I think it would be nice to have the wide eyed, naive innocence of youth back. Is it really as nice as it seems?

    Now for a question for Quiet Mike and Sui. Either of you feel like you are in a bucket of deplorable????? Me neither. But I can't really blame slick hilly for saying that. She probably doesn't even remember saying it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Sep 11, 2016, at 6:22 AM
  • Perfectly healthy Hillary has a "medical episode" at a 9/11 event and has to be rushed away, fainting as she left.

    This, after her seizure is caught on camera, and a ridiculous explanation is given by her handlers to try to explain it away.

    Also after continuous coughing fits, one lasting four minutes.

    Regardless of her soulless evil heart, she is medically unfit for office.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM
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    Yes, that was some Weekend At Bernie's moment for poor slick hilly yesterday, wasn't it? Maybe she was already sick at the Commander In Chief forum and just mis-spoke instead of outright lied when she said no Americans were killed in Lybia. I imagine Cain has his fingers crossed hoping unAbel gets well quickly.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Sep 12, 2016, at 6:20 AM
  • Health raises an issue. What are the VP candidates like?

    Does this point out we should be looking a lot closer at them?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 12, 2016, at 7:11 AM
  • What is Trumps excuse for lying? Trump can not remember what lies he tells 1 day ago. You know the saying, you can't tell a lie the same way twice. America will never see a real medical record from a real doctor for Trump or his taxes.Quitemike I think if she had a seizure and was that sick she would have been in a hospital.I know it is wishful thinking on your part. Hillary is nearly 69 and Trump is 70,they both have vigorous schedules.Everyone gets sick sometimes. Remember when daddy Bush vomited and fainted at the table in Japan during an important meeting with its leader. I worked in the medical field for years and I can almost guarantee that Trump is on some kind of psychotic medication for his irrational uncontrolled behavior.He is already making excuses about the debates.Now he doesn't want a moderator.He doesn't want to answer questions,he just wants to sit there and yell and scream "make America great".If Trump wants blacks to vote for him then why is he pushing for strict voter laws that would prevent thousands of them from voting?I hope Trump keep running his big mouth and he and his son keep sharing White Nationalists symbols on twitter.such as Pepe the Frog.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Sep 12, 2016, at 10:51 AM
  • Pepe the Frog? The only reference I can find to it is a statement saying it was associated to Trump and Nazi.

    Guess that's proof. Does Kermit have a hidden meaning a swell?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 12, 2016, at 11:53 AM
  • LBR

    If this "episode" was a one time deal, it could be chalked up to random illness or exhaustion from a hectic schedule.

    A quick search shows these "episodes" going back to at least 2012.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 4:03 AM
  • Yes quitemike and according to the republicans she should already be dead. I have allergies and cough year round so what. If Trunp releases his medical records this week from a real doctor I would be shocked.Trump thinks half of his supporters are not deplorable,what does he think about 1 of his supporters punching 3 people last night? Has he forgot about what he called American muslims and Hispanics? He talks about black americans as if they are ignorant. Now he wants Hillary to apologize for telling the truth. Has anyone ever heard Trump apologize for anything,he even stated he does not have to ask God for forgiveness.All Trumps lies about his charities are going to be exposed before Nov. America is still waiting on his wife's news conference about her immigration status since immigration is his top campaign issue.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 12:55 PM
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    Sorry for your allergies lbr?. Do you also have seizures, blood clots, prolonged post-concussion syndrome, and a problem remaining upright? I never thought this would happen but I'm almost starting to feel sorry for poor Illery......Naw, just joking about that. But actions speak louder than words and poor Illery and the Dums have been treating black americans as if they were ignorant for decades. Looks like it's time for slick illery's last ditch effort if y'all are reduced to arguing the candidates' respective health and charitable organizations. BTW, I doubt most people think she should be dead. Did you mean in jail?

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 2:05 PM
  • LBR,

    We're not talking about coughing, we're talking about seizures and passing out.

    Sorry to break it to you, but even Bill said she passes out frequently, until he caught himself and tried to weasel out.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 3:29 PM
  • I used to like Charlie Rose until recently I noticed more of a bias in their chit chatting and points being made. Now after the quick 90 seconds of news at the beginning of the hour, I shut it off.

    I don't dislike him, just don't trust the reporting like I used to.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 4:01 PM
  • It's sad that there are almost no unbiased news outlets anymore.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 8:12 PM
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    Lbr?, you mention from time to time that you worked many years in the medical field. Yet you seem to think sick hilly should be in the hospital each and every time she has a seizure. Don't you know that a seizure disorder is a chronic problem treated with mind altering drugs that typically control it on an outpatient basis? Of course, since sick hilly is on the rat poison Coumadin, any time she hits her head could be the last time. Sick Killary taking rat poison every day; I guess that is why they say Karma is a b*tch.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 9:28 AM
  • I agree Hillary was wrong to call half of Trump's supporters deplorable. It's way more than half.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 9:29 AM
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    Well, RV, I sure understand why you and yours feel that way. "I feel your pain." The quickest, easiest way to upset and offend a liberal is to tell the truth. But at least you get to have your safe space with sick hilly. You never have to worry about her doing that to you.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 11:02 AM
  • Fair where is the proof that Hillary has seizures?Trump could have a heart attack while on cholesterol medication along with his weight also.Trump and the republicans have been talking about Hillary's health for weeks,now it seems that his is not a big issue to his supporters. He knows that only his idiot supporters will fall for the stunt he pulled today. He goes on a TV show and pulls 2 sheets of paper out of his pocket and hand them to Dr Oz.These are from the same quack doctor he paid off before. They told only what Trump wanted us to know,and that was nothing. And the other stunt today was his wife putting out a letter from Trump's lawyer that her immigration was legal.Where is the news conference he bragged she was going to have over a month ago.How does America feel about what Ivanka said today about when asked about conflict of interest for America concerning Trumps business deals with foreign countries if elected. She said "the family will handle the situation and decide what is best for America".We are talking about how Trump organizations foreign ties could affect our national security.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 3:09 PM
  • Sui, the woman I speak to are not just standing for Hillary with pride they are turning their backs on Trump with disgust!!! Would you want your daughter to date such a person? Would want your son to to treat and act towards women as he does? DO you find him a suitable example for the children of our nation to look up to and follow the example of?

    I find it interesting that the party that claims they ate the Christian party, the moral ones suddenly have turned their backs on the things they have trashed the left for ( they ignore those on the right who do the same things) One of the silliest that sticks out is they were horrible about the first lady having on a sleeveless dress however are silent about Mrs. Trump being undressed in photos. They are against gays but silent over nude pictures of Mrs. Trump in sexual poses with another woman. They hate immigrants but ignore or turn their eyes to Trumps wife's very questionable immigration status. YOu guys bellow about private servers but not one word from anyone about the fact that it is a common practice and that Bush deleted 22 million when he was in hot water..you do not compalin about anyone else doing that but attack her, use of private servers is a common practice .Do you want all of the officials who do so held to the same standard your expect of her? Nobody is calling for Powell's, Bush's ( any of them) or the others heads on a platter just hers..... You yell about 4 dead in Benghazi, but are silent about over 60 killed under republican Bush or any of the hundreds that have died in the past.... the double standards are blatant. You claim she is such a liar yet never call out Trump or other republicans when they lie day after day, why is that? Is it ok to lie if it suits your parties hate or agenda? Or just another double standard?

    They scream for her transparency, yet worship Trump for not releasing anything but insults and threats...

    Yes Tennessee will go red, not a shocker, but the fact that they are willing to intentionally try to elect a man that represents the very morals and beliefs they have claimed in the past their party is against in the pass simply shows that party and hate trumps their beliefs should they have to choose. They have lost respect for "WWJD" and replaced it with " is their an R by that name?" Next time your watching Trump honestly ask yourself if that were Hillary or someone on the left saying or doing that what would you think?

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 9:49 PM
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    Lbr?, with all your years of work in the medical field, do you not recognize absence (petit mal) seizures? Not long ago a clip was shown on at least some TV news programs. Of course you may not have seen it if you only watch BSNBC and CNN. It showed her in the middle of a speech just stop for several seconds wearing a deer-in-the-headlights look on her face.

    Wanderinghigh, if I saw sick hilly doing or heard her talking about securing the border, protecting us from islamic terrorism, providing decent education for the children, growing the economy with more/better jobs,taking care of our vets and making the streets safe, I would honestly think "that sounds great". But knowing sick hilly is a pathological liar, I would realize our only chance of actually getting these things would be with Trump. I could go on, but it is getting late, and in all honesty, I am not a jack*ss whisperer.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 12:08 AM
  • Fair Share . LOL typical right wing diversion..... You fall under the "facts won't change your opinion" mentality. Hate is the basis of your "opinions" which is why you continue to spew the talking points you do. You ignore the points I asked about, but that is to be expected. Trump is a reality TV actor who has gotten where he is with drama,bullying, acting and greed. His God has been himself, he bragged on his testosterone levels when asked about his health.... really tells you where his mentality is? If he were the candidate for the left you guys would eat him alive for who he is, but that all important "R" by his name changes all of that, it is the only requirement to turn him into the new right wing God.... He says all the right things, hates the right people and spews the right bigoted talking points,he will bully the right people heck he is the perfect new God for the party...HE can hate in all the right ways and attack all the right people - he is the perfect hero . Oh and he wants a wall.....LOL we see how well those have worked for other countries. He is nothing more than a egocentric rich man who ran out of toys to play with and now wants our nation as the new toy to destroy.

    Oh and your name calling is so cute you would fit well with all the other kids in the play ground....

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 10:12 AM
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    W hi, I really don't understand why you are trying to make people think you care what Jesus would do. I'm pretty sure he would be telling people not to kill their babies, if they want to eat they better work, and it is okay for a country to have borders and enforce their immigration policy. He would probably also be telling the guys not to be peeing in the girls bathroom.

    Sad that you guys have to use the same playbook every four years. The non-libs hate (fill in the blank). Why would you assume we hate people just because we want to make life better for everyone?

    And where did you come up with me name calling? I said "sick hilly is a pathological liar." Not name calling, just stating a fact. I also admitted "I am not a jack*ss whisperer." Again, statement of fact, not name calling. I don't know who it was that picked the jack*ss (also known as donkey) for the demoncrat mascot but it wasn't me. Must have been back when we had more transparency in politics.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 11:14 AM
  • LOL you still ignore the double standards.....

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 11:36 AM
  • Fair share you were right there was an absence of petit mal seizure.I know a seizure when I see one and I didn't see one.If Trump and his daughter wants jobs in America,why don't they produce their products in America instead of 12 other nations around the world?

    The world is laughing that America is even considering a Reality TV person as president.

    Now his son states that we can't handle his long tax form as the reason for hiding his taxes.How many more lies will be told about this.

    I am also concerned about why it is only people Trump hates and the DNC that is being hacked.Could it be because Trump called for Russia to hack Hillary.If Hillary went on Russian TV and trashed America and its military like Trump,republicans would be asking for her head on a pillow.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 12:09 PM
  • BTW the GOP REP Mccaul lied last night when he said several times that the RNC had been hacked,and he learned this from intelligence briefings.Oh I am sorry he misspoke.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 12:14 PM
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    There you go again lbr?. Taking something that should be easy enough for a half way intelligent kid to understand and either not understanding it or twisting it just a little to make people think it says something way different. Lets take a deep breath and I will walk you thru this slowly. "Absence" (with a french accent) is a type of seizure. It is also called "petit mal". I did not say "there was an absence of petit mal seizure". I am sure when you see a grand mal seizure you know it. And sick hilly did not have one of those. I suspect you might not notice an absence or a partial complex seizure since they no doubt seem like normal behavior in the crowd you hang with. And Trump is not trashing America or the military, just commenting on where your buddy b o has got them to over the past eight years. But really, it is more constructive to be mad at the message, not the messenger.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 1:09 PM
  • Fair Share you seem to have your very own logic here LOL. Don't you even see the double standards the right sets? It's crazy how they are so judgemental and self righteous in their attacks of the left, yet they are totally blind to the lies and manipulations from the right. Tax returns is a great example, she has given 30+ years he ZERO yet she is not transparent. Medical - she gives tons of her files he has one crazy gut doctor with a nutty letter written in Trumps vocabulary and mannerisms that sounds as if he wrote it himself ( wink wink, as if the citizens are too stupid to see that) and then with the diet guru Dr. Oz he goes on for a powder puff interview to brag about his testosterone level as if we give a hoot. ( guess he is still feeling the sting about his small hands LOL) You accuse Hillary of lies but totally ignore the fact that more times than not Trump has been shown to do just that, but not a word where that is concerned. The right is running an election on hate not facts, attacks not policy, reality show rhetoric not truth. YOu have a man more suited to be a carnival barker than leader of the greatest country in the world.

    They complain about The Clinton Foundation,that helps disadvantaged people and is not for profit and want it dismantled because of supposed conflict of interest but have no problem with Trumps massive dealing with many countries , some not our allies, that main goal is his profit and greed. They ask nothing about who he deals with but rather they back his efforts to keep it hidden....TRANSPARENCY ??? HA !!!! HE sucks up to Putin, wow if Hillary did that would you be so quiet LOL ......

    In short the double standard nullify any value of what the GOP says , turning it into simple hypocrisy.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 2:24 PM
  • -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 2:29 PM
  • Liberals really need a new schtick.

    Every time someone takes issue with them being lazy bums who can't run their own lives and needing constant government wet nurse programs to make adult decisions for them, they become racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc.

    The reality is that democrats have never entered adulthood and still need someone to warm their bottle and powder their behind.

    Nevermind it's very obvious Hillary has a very serious medical issue and she's been lying about it for months, if not years.

    She is the promise to keep the freebie gravy train rolling, so that is all that matters to liberals.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 3:34 AM
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    Quietmike, that reminds me of a joke I recently saw.

    Q: How do you starve Hillary supporters?

    A: Hide their food stamps under their work boots.

    Now that is pretty funny, but I can see how some would be offended by it. The obvious follow-up question : They have work boots?

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 10:57 AM
  • Dumb jokes and bigoted attacts but no comment on the double standards pointed out ..

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 3:51 PM
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    Wandering High,

    That was a dumb joke. After all who would really think most of them had work boots?

    As far as "bigoted attacts" (sp), I can only speak for myself. I admit I am a bigot, according to your definition. After all, I am not a demoncrat, I am not a libtard, I am not a progressive, and I am not stupid. Therefore I must be a bigot.

    But if you will bear with me, I will show you where you are wrong. Now don't run to your safe space. I will make this relatively easy and painless. I hate no one based on their race, ethnicity, religion, age, gender, or even their make believe gender. I don't discriminate against people based on any of these factors. As a matter of fact, I don't hate or discriminate against anyone. Disliking individuals because of what they do to me, other taxpayers, and the country is a whole different story. And just because some people advocate for not being taken advantage of doesn't mean they are prejudiced or are discriminating or are bigoted.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 5:17 PM
  • I also wonder about the double standards. I have known Trump to be mostly a Liberal. His support has always leaned heavily towards the Democrat party and especially the Clintons. During that time, he was never called, racist, bigoted, or even the latest "deplorable" as he is now.

    It would seem the double standard is applied mostly by the liberals, now that he has an "R" by his name. Or maybe it's because his money is no longer going to them..,, or is it?

    To me, a "R" or a "D" is an indicator that they are part of the problem, not the solution.

    A reality show actor such as Trump may not be able to compete with actors such as Hillary or Obama. His hair alone is beyond belief.

    It takes a good actor to stand with a straight face and sell lies like Benghazi being a spontaneous reaction to a video, or "if you like your insurance/doctor you can keep it". Of course, a complicit media and a gullible audience also helps.

    Hopefully, if Trump does win, the media will hold his feet to the fire, that is not likely to happen with Hillary.

    Personally, I don't think Trump intends, or wants, to win. The entire election seems like a reality show. I feel like I am experiencing taxation without representation as neither party, or candidate, represents me or my ideas.

    Reminds me of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band song lyrics; "There's clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am stuck in the middle with you."

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 6:16 PM
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    Actually "Stuck In The Middle With You" was by Stealers Wheel. Probably not long after they got done smoking something in the boy's room (Brownsville Station).

    They just don't make good music any more.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 6:41 PM
  • Thanks fair share. I think you are correct, at least according to Google. I wasn't sure who the original writer was, thought It was NGDB. I didn't bother to look it up.

    I think there is still some good music being written. My taste in music has changed however. I particularly like "In Christ Alone".

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 9:57 PM
  • Speaking of double standards how was it wonderful when Bill Clinton said we need a border wall, and actually built part of it, but when Trump says we need a border wall it's suddenly racist?

    (nevermind that mexican isn't a race)

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Sep 17, 2016, at 4:17 AM
  • Trump made a fool of himself yesterday after he tried to end one 5 year lie by telling another one. He can't show proof that Hillary started this because there is none.He told America " You want believe what my people found out about Obama's birth in Hawaii".He thinks people will forget his 5 years of ranting about this after a 30 sec line.He also lied about a news conference just to get a photo op for his hotel.When he talks about Hillary's body guards dropping their guns to see what happens, this is dangerous rhetoric. He has the same Secret Service as Hillary.He is inciting his unstable supporters to violence,and he knows just what he is saying.This is unacceptable for anyone seeking to be commander in chief.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 17, 2016, at 2:35 PM
  • Not surprising that a liberal wouldn't understand the hypocrisy of a politician being protected by people with guns calling for gun control for the peasants.

    Hillary's campaign/supporters started the birther nonsense.

    The evidence is there for those who want to look for it.

    Jeremiah 5:21

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Sep 17, 2016, at 8:37 PM
  • That is the problem with these 2 candidates, can't believe/trust either one.

    quitemike, referencing scripture may be banned in the near future. Hillary is already saying that religious beliefs have to be changed.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 6:52 AM
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    At least part of the reason they have trouble seeing is when they spew their invective, the spittle gets in their eyes and makes them blurry. And at least part of the reason they have trouble hearing is because they are always hollering "racist". At least the poor victims at the MN mall yesterday were able to clearly hear the perp shouting "allah". To bad we didn't give him a job a few years ago.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 7:29 AM
  • Live how about you reference for us where you got the "referencing scripture may be banned in the near future. Hillary is already saying that religious beliefs have to be changed." and explain just how you came up with that one.....

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 10:45 AM
  • The comedy movie "Idiocracy" has almost become a total realization with Trump as an actual Presidential candidate. Along with his rabid followers. If you haven't ever watched that movie, check it out.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 11:58 AM
  • Idiocracy is a movie about simpletons caught up in taglines, and engaged in blind adoration of an idiot black president.

    Check it out indeed.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 2:46 PM
  • Interesting that you had to include "black" into your description. But not surprising.

    Everything about that movie is conservative ideas out of control and a very Trump-like President with idiot followers.

    It used to make me laugh. Now with even the slightest prospect of a Trump presidency, it scares the hell out of me.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 4:30 PM
  • -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 4:45 PM
  • Please.

    The entire premise of the movie is Luke Wilson waking up from cryosleep to find the world populated with idiots because dullards breed faster. Liberals are all about supporting deadbeat breeders.

    Its also about a country starving to death because the people put their trust into an idiot government that told them to irrigate their crops with a sports drink instead of water.

    Only liberals are so dumb to need government to make their daily choices for them.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 5:28 PM
  • FWIW-Black isn't a dirty word. It's just a descriptor.

    The movie had an idiot black president and so do we. The movie had blind followers of that president and we have our own.

    Very lame attempt at throwing the race card. Typical when a liberal runs out of argument.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 6:37 PM
  • I see a lot of "Clinton WILL do this", and "Trump WILL do that". You people don't know WHAT those two will do, so stop acting like you do. Politicians often lie to us to get our vote, haven't you learned that by now?

    More jobs, fewer taxes, more security, more freedom, those are important in EVERY election, and alway will be.

    What is at stake here is how the President will be viewed by the leaders of the world's nations, how they will deal with them, and appointing justices to the Supreme Court. Those are the issues in this election.

    How are the candidates doing? We don't know, the polls, at this point, are meaningless.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 7:40 PM
  • Tell um' D.A. Mike. Tell um'.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 7:51 PM
  • Live how about you reference for us where you got the "referencing scripture may be banned in the near future. Hillary is already saying that religious beliefs have to be changed." and explain just how you came up with that one.....

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 10:45 AM

    Wonderwhy, Sure, here are 2 links for you addressing each one.

    Laws have already been passed banning some Bible quotes in other countries and in California in favor of the LGBT agenda.


    Here is the video of Hillary saying "Religious beliefs have to be changed" in order to support killing more babies.


    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Sep 18, 2016, at 7:57 PM
  • Liver Lite: Your linked article references California SB 777 as "outlawing biblical criticism," which is the apparent source of your claim that "Bible Quotes" are banned.... I read the entire law, and there is not one single thing in there about banning anything from the bible. The only mention of religion is to ban discrimination against adherents of *ANY* religion. In reality, the law protects Christianity, it does not ban it. It was a long and extremely boring read. If you can find the section that bans Bible quotes, I will be more than happy to take a second look.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 12:12 AM
  • Mike, the link I posted was an article where the WRITER of the movie "Idiocracy" talks about the similarities between candidate Donald Trump and his supporters, and the characters in his movie.

    Your insinuation that it must be closer linked to liberal ideas just because both President Obama and the character of President in the movie are black, just shows your lack of understanding and disregard of facts.

    I'm pretty sure the writer of the movie can better explain the premise of his movie than you.

    The fact is, the "idiots", "dullards", and "blind followers" you see in that movie, is a representation of the current Republican Party and Trump.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 5:38 AM
  • Lazarus- I admit, I didn't read the entire law, I just Googled "Bible hate speech" to find a link for Wonderwhy. That one was the first to come up. You can do the same search and find others.

    Quitemike referenced a Bible scripture above which, to me was used as a criticism. Using the Bible to criticize is seen by some as hate speech. Therefore it is no great stretch to surmise that "MAY" be banned, which is what my original post claimed.

    Here is a link more on point about hate speech. https://carm.org/hate-speech

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 6:18 AM
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    RV, "art" is in the eye of the beholder at least as much as in the eye of the creator.

    Back to poor sick hilly, I wonder if the press just went way overboard last week with her "collapse". Maybe she just heard a loud noise and thought she was dodging sniper fire. But now it is too late for the campaign to claim that since they have been saying pneumonia. Except for slick willy saying flu.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 8:43 AM
  • https://youtu.be/tsJ9p2tSA-k

    And here's Trump producing his medical records on Dr. Oz.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 11:31 AM
  • RV democrats project all the time. Cohen criticizing Trump, even trying to make commercials against him, is no different than other democrats accusing everyone else of racist policies.

    The simple fact is that dems are the party of dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make.

    Conservatives generally want to be left alone to run their own lives and accept the consequences of their actions.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 12:08 PM
  • Quite Mike; I am a little confused. Do you mean that most educated people are dullard breeders, criminals, and government dependents? Because more people with college degrees identify themselves as Democrats, than as republicans. Their unemployment rate is 2.7% compared to 7.2% for the overall population.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 5:10 PM
  • LFL, LOL your references are really stretching for it LOL.......good try though, it more than most do to try and back nutty accusations......I see that nobody has addressed the question about why the double standards I mentioned are not in question. But that is not a surprise at all. Basically it the same old game from the you guys, baseless attacks, childish name calling and nothing of any value. The same old hate mongering,hypocrisy and any lie that feeds your hate.

    This is America and that it your right to be as ugly as you want. Lucky for our country though there are still those of us who put people first, who do not base our values on hate, bigotry, racism or just plane greed. We are ALL created by God, he did not set boarders, he did not rate our worth or value by color, sex or income level. I love how so many on the right seem to think they know more than God himself on who is or is not good enough.....It's silly to quote scripture to back your hate mongering,

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Sep 19, 2016, at 10:58 PM
  • Wonderwhy- My references stretching for it? Hillary said what she said! Thirty yrs ago predicting homosexual marriage in the U.S. would have been stretching it too. But yet, here we are.

    Your own words personify this very article.


    You took the time to write and post the most hate filled, name calling, belittling, ugly, words., as an accusation towards others hypocrisy,, and then call yourself compassionate. SMH

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 4:18 AM
  • BTW-Wonderwhy I am no Trump supporter! I agree with you on double standards! I just pointed out the "D"s own double standards when it comes to Trump. Even Jesse Jackson praised him before he became a "R".

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 4:45 AM
  • Lazarus,

    We've been through this before. No matter how badly you want it to be differently, the facts remain.

    Democrats always carry inner city slums where crime, unemployment, illegitimacy and welfate use are rampant. Dems love handouts to keep these people down and dependant, yet satiated enough to keep them voting for the DNC.

    If voting was still limited to those who were working, as it was during the founder's time, it would be the democrat party who would suffer as a result.

    Most felons identify as democrats


    Even NPR says the longer you go without working, the more likely you'll vote democrat


    Everything the DNC supports is about avoiding responsibility and trying to make someone else pay their way.

    In short, liberal democrats want everything in the US to be free, except it's citizens.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 7:47 AM
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    Wandering High,

    Please don't take this as criticism, more as friendly helpful hint. You may have a more meaningful trip thru this journey of life if you cut back on those Rocky Mountain brownies. If that doesn't apply to you then make sure the "Good Book" you have for reference says "Holy Bible" on the front. If so, then if you know anyone with a minimal degree of intelligence and common sense, you should ask them to teach you how to read. Of course God set boarders, at least for Israel (His chosen people). And He had a bunch of rules about how to interact/not interact with the non-Israelites You are right that He doesn't set our worth/value based on color, sex or income. We can't change our color (despite Michael Jackson) and we can't change our sex (despite Bruce Jenner). But we can change our income and God is ok with that. I do think He talks a little in His Book about envy. Check it out.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 7:56 AM
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    Quietmike, lazyrus,

    Don't forget that most of the mass shooting perps over the years have self-identified as democrat, yet none have been NRA members.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 8:20 AM
  • Not just mass shootings, but regular murders and shootings as well.

    Chicago alone has well over 3000 people shot with over 500 homicides just so far this year.

    Chicago hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1927.

    You'd think with almost a century of continuous democrat leadership, Chicago would be the liberal panacea we're always hearing about.

    I'm betting our local Democrats can't give just one example of an area successfully turned around by democrat ideology.

    There are numerous examples of formerly prosperous areas that took a sudden downturn which oddly coincides with electing long term democrat leadership.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 10:46 AM
  • No, Quite Mike, we have not actually "been over" anything, because you have only made assertions, and tend to be nonresponsive to my questions... To repeat; you say that "Dems are the party of dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make." Now you have clarified by stating that "Democrats always carry inner city slums where crime, unemployment, illegitimacy and welfate use are rampant..." I get it. What you mean is that Democrats get the Black vote. That much is true. However, while 80% of Black voters identify as Democrats, only 22% of those who identify as Democrats are Black. On top of that, only some 27% of blacks live in poverty.... Do the math. Your poor blacks only make up about 6% of the Democrats. And not every poor Black lives in an inner city. A lot of them live in rural areas of the South. BUt, I will ignore that, as I doubt your opinion of poor rural Blacks differs significantly from that of poor urban Blacks. However, 60% of the people who identify as Democrats are White. (That would be 10 times the number of poor black Democrats.) And, the more education a White person has, the more likely they are to identify as Democrats....Therefore, if, as you assert, "Dems are the party of dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make." You must mean that educated White people are dullard breeders, criminals, and can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make. I am just trying to understand your meaning.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 10:55 AM
  • Here's a few more inconvenient facts for Mike. The top seven states that take in the most federal aid, welfare and food stamps are all Republican run red states.

    The majority of those collecting are poor white folks in those states that vote Republican.

    So Mike, tell us again how it's the Democrats that "need the handouts" and "want everything for free".

    Because according to studies done by The Tax Foundation, it looks like it's the other way around.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 12:14 PM
  • RV

    Too bad democrat laziness extends to their "research".

    States don't vote people do.

    Take a look at the county breakdown of voting patterns of those red states that receive so much federal aid.

    Tennessee has been consistently red for some time now, yet havens like Memphis always go blue, and are a cesspool of crime and poverty.

    Other, relatively sparsely populated red states are net takers from the government, but that is dtiven by blue cities with high poverty levels.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 12:24 PM
  • Lazarus,

    This is why we have "been over" this so many times.

    I gave you links showing the majority of criminals are democrats. Even the liberal bastion NPR admits the longer you go without working, the more likely you'll vote democrat.

    When unemployment is higher, democrats get more votes.

    As for your tired attempt to play the race card, you only demonstrated your own racism.

    Nowhere in my post did I mention any race, but you automatically assume when someone mentions criminals and poverty, they're talking about blacks.

    Hate to drag you out of your 1950s thinking, but the poor and criminals come in every race.

    What have democrats ever done for the poor, except for making more of them?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 12:32 PM
  • Quite Mike; In court I would call your answer non-responsive. You talk around the question, but do not answer it. I am not interested in tired talking points. I "automatically assumed" when you said "inner city" you were talking about blacks, because who is it that lives in the inner cities? At any rate, I did not call you a racist (altho you did latch onto the equally tired favorite of claiming that, had I called you a racist, then I was one. Which is right up there with; "I know you are, but what am I?") My question specifically deals with the majority of the people who identify as Democrats...you characterize Democrats as "dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make." For what it is worth, I do not identify as a Democrat, I would consider myself a Libertarian. (Unfortunately, our candidate this time around could compete with Trump for being unfit for office.)back on topic; are these affluent, educated people who identify as Democrats (black or white) to be described as: "dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make?"

    For what it is worth, I take equal umbrage at those who describe Republicans as "Racists and White Supremacists." Sure, those people have been swept in under the Republican umbrella. But they are not the majority. Their existence does not make all Republicans White Supremacists.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 1:07 PM
  • Lazarus,

    The parties were developed to represent the interests of their supporters.

    If those ideologies did not represent its voters, they would change, or the party would lose support.

    Nearly every democrat platform is based on getting freebies and avoiding responsibility. That means Democrats support those ideas.

    Nothing in a capitalist society prevents anyone from practicing charity towards anyone they choose.

    You keep focusing on black people. Again, hate to break it to you but plenty of poor whites, hispanics, Chinese, and other groups live in inner cities.

    The majority of democrats are interested in freebies, based on the oarty ideology. Those would be the criminals, the poor, etc.

    Some democrats, like the Clintons, Al Gore, Michael Moore, etc are not poor, but know that by embracing Democrat ideology, they can make money off the poor.

    -- Posted by bcpwoman on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 1:30 PM
  • Lazarus maybe my answer seems non responsive because you won't examine the links I provided?

    Who screams like they're being stabbed at the mention of cutting entitlements?

    Who is always looking for newer ways for the government to support people that should be supporting themselves?

    Democrats don't think much of their fellow citizens based on their stances and legislation.

    No one should be trusted with guns.

    People will only be charitable if forced by government.

    People are too stupid to know which light bulb to buy, or what foods to eat.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 1:36 PM
  • One more thing Lazarus.

    College educated is not synonymous with able, or even intelligent.

    Look up the "trigglypuff" youtube video if you haven't already seen it.

    Look at the numerous collegiate "safe spaces" for people who can't bear everyday reality.

    Look at people who go to college wearing a hat that says "make America great again" being told they have to remove clothing with "hate speech" on it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 2:19 PM
  • LOL when I was referring to the double standards I was not referring to race matters LOL That Mike and LFL automatically assumed that says alot about their standings and beliefs on that. Mike- your always attacking the blacks and the poor, it is an obsession with you telling where most of your hate lands. IF you guys would go back to the original question of double standards you would see, again, the points you have so skillfully skipped around. HEre I will repeat it for you: "I find it interesting that the party that claims they ate the Christian party, the moral ones suddenly have turned their backs on the things they have trashed the left for ( they ignore those on the right who do the same things) One of the silliest that sticks out is they were horrible about the first lady having on a sleeveless dress however are silent about Mrs. Trump being undressed in photos. They are against gays but silent over nude pictures of Mrs. Trump in sexual poses with another woman. They hate immigrants but ignore or turn their eyes to Trumps wife's very questionable immigration status. YOu guys bellow about private servers but not one word from anyone about the fact that it is a common practice and that Bush deleted 22 million when he was in hot water..you do not compalin about anyone else doing that but attack her, use of private servers is a common practice .Do you want all of the officials who do so held to the same standard your expect of her? Nobody is calling for Powell's, Bush's ( any of them) or the others heads on a platter just hers..... You yell about 4 dead in Benghazi, but are silent about over 60 killed under republican Bush or any of the hundreds that have died in the past.... the double standards are blatant. You claim she is such a liar yet never call out Trump or other republicans when they lie day after day, why is that? Is it ok to lie if it suits your parties hate or agenda? Or just another double standard? "

    It is the election related issues such as listed above, The rabid right will nit pick the daylights out of the left but then turn a blind eye when their guys cause or do the same and worst. Oh Hillary's email bla bla bla....but mention the emails - that number way higher than hers and you hear crickets..... Oh 4 men died on her watch in Benghazi but the 60+ that died in embassy events under Bush -silence - were their lives not as worthy ...... Oh Trump has gone nuts over tax returns of others in the past, and the right has demanded them but Not a word against your guy hiding his..... You attack every possible conversation someone from the left has with questionable people ( Obama just happened to be at an event and it was an earth shattering right wing attacking point) But Trump Kisses Putin fanny and worships him and you folks all fawn......

    SO lets forget about giving you an excuse to hate on the poor and blacks and instead look at the double standards such as those examples ( the list could go on and on).





    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6986019 ---But not a word about putting a smutt model In the White House if she's republican

    Just a few examples...LOL

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 2:26 PM
  • Your links have nothing to do with the question. "The majority of criminals are Democrats?" Assuming that is anything but nonsense (and it is pure partisan nonsense), are the majority of Democrats criminals? The majority of White Supremacists are Republicans (and that is even true), does that mean the majority of Republicans are White Supremacists? Of course not. Who screams at cutting entitlements? That is an easy one. Whoever is receiving the entitlements. Do you think no Republicans receive entitlements? Be it welfare, disability, corporate welfare, medicare, tax loopholes, or whatever. Everyone has a hand in the till. And no one wants to take it out. Who is looking for ways for the government to support people who should support themselves? No one. The rest is not questions. Just silly statements, with no basis in fact. Now, I have answered your questions. Answer mine. You characterize Democrats as "dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make." Are all those affluent, educated people who identify as Democrats (black or white) to be described as: "dullard breeders, criminals, and those who can't run their lives without some government figurehead telling them every move to make?"

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 2:54 PM
  • I have answered your questions. You're just too enamoured with your beliefs to listen.

    You reject out of hand any evidence that doesn't agree with your programming.

    It's absurd to claim that both parties complain when entitlements are cut when Republicans are the ones proposing it,and democrats ALWAYS oppose it.

    Dems claimed repubs hated the poor by opposing obamacare.

    Dems claim drug testing for welfare is hateful.

    Dems wanted unemployment extended to two years.

    Dems don't think people are smart enough to save for retirement on their own.

    Clinton vetoed welfare reform twice, even shutting down the government, during Christmas, before caving when public opinion polls turned against him.

    Obama subsequently gutted those reforms.

    Republican governors and legislatures added work requirements to welfare and food stamps.

    Dems want taxpayers to provide free rubbers to keep up with Sandra Fluke's apparently comprehensive sex life

    Dems want to kill unborn babies lest they be born alive to interfere with future whoring.

    You can claim that all Democrats aren't mooching losers, and that is likely true. But as the previous poster pointed out, enough of them are that freebies represents a majority of the democrat party agenda.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 3:41 PM
  • Wonderwhy- First of all, your original question about double standards were not directed at me, but fair share. Second of all, I made no reference to race matters, except where the double standard of Trump NOW being called racist, when he was not, while supporting Democrats.

    I understand you want to talk about the doubles standards that you mentioned, as it applies to others. That is ok. But be aware, double standards are just that. Double standards! They are everywhere, especially in the media., and time has made hypocrites of us all. So, realize that double standards also apply to you, even though you may not want to admit it. If you can't admit your own/parties double standards, why would you expect anyone else to? Unless of course, you are so self righteous as to assume that no such condition exists in your case even after it has been pointed out to you.

    Lastly, your post are seething with anger, hatred, and bitterness. Your points would be received a lot better if you would stop name calling, insulting, and trying to belittle those who have an opposing view. Especially, when talking about double standards and putting people first. (Those with different views than yours are people too.)

    Back to the topic of Hillary and Trump. They are both horrible candidates! So, my vote is more than likely going to be based on the party platform, or least what they say is their platform, or,, not at all since there is no one I can really say I support.

    Namely these issues:

    First Amendment- The Liberals are already attacking it by using "Hate speech" terminology. GOP are not.

    Second Amendment- Dems wants to restrict it. GOP does not.

    Immigration- Dems intend to increase immigrants such as those responsible for recent attacks. GOP wants to restrict them.

    GOV Healthcare- The ACA is already causing costs to skyrocket and several of my family can no longer afford their insurance and are now being penalized for not having it. Nuff said.

    Abortion- Dem support it, GOP opposes it.

    Supreme Court appointments- The supreme court is already tilted in the direction of Liberals, this needs to be kept in balance not one sided.

    I certainly do not like the fact that there is no other viable choice than the 2 party candidates.,, again :(. But there is little I can do about that.

    That is all I have to say on this blog.

    Be blessed all :)

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Sep 20, 2016, at 8:11 PM
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    Mike, laz,

    I actually know 3 demoncrats that are college educated but are not dullard breeder criminals. I know a whole lot more dems that went to college, or as some of them say "collage". It is too late now to draft Ron White for a presidential run, but I am a true believer that "you can't fix stupid". The best we can do is try to contain and eliminate it.


    You seem to think anyone that thinks a person should be allowed to take care of themselves by definition hates that person. Perhaps you are too much of a dullard to be able to see this but please try to open your eyes. You just may be able to see clearly that you and those like you are the ones that hate (or at least appear to hate) all sorts of people that you feel superior too. You know, people you think can't possibly take care of themselves because of whatever perceived weakness you project onto them. But somehow magically you and the other leftards are able to save the day by keeping them down but grateful for the scraps you throw them. Really makes me wonder who's hating who. And why. I wonder why?

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 21, 2016, at 5:53 PM
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