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Steve Mills

Are the National Anthem "demonstrations" well placed or off target?

Posted Monday, September 12, 2016, at 8:34 AM
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  • Institutionalized racism is dead. That means the country has done what it can to eliminate it from the ranks of government. Are there still racists in government, yes, but racism is no longer the official, or unofficial policy.

    I support his right to protest, but a different venue would get more traction.

    Holding a protest at a sacred event will cause people to oppose you, no matter how compelling your message.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 8:22 AM
  • I was trying to find a way to say exactly what you said about "institutionalized racism". Nicely said.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 10:00 AM
  • I think his form of protest is foolish. It is unlikely to really affect anyone's viewpoint, and he is protesting against a government which, as already noted, supports his cause.

    On the other hand, the freedom to engage in such a protest is what makes us truly free. If people were forced to stand and salute, then doing so would mean nothing. I don't agree with what he is doing, but (ultimately) many Americans have fought and died to defend his right to do it.

    My personal feeling about the flag is that it is only a piece of cloth. I don't have an emotional connection to symbols. However, that is only my feelings. To many people the flag is very important, so I think it is necessary that I stand when called for, and otherwise accord the flag the deference that is due, out of respect for those to whom it is meaningful...We would all be better off if we treated other people's beliefs with more respect.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 10:23 AM
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    If Colin Kaepernick wants to sit for the National Anthem that is his right to show the world that he is a stupid ingrate. It would be believable he was really doing it for a cause he believes in had he done it a few years ago when he had something to lose. As it is, he still gets his 15mil and is already warming the bench. People might cut him a little slack if they realized he also doesn't stand up to pee. I do have a big problem with the NFL. They can fine a player for a barely noticeable tribute to 9/11 victims yet support players and whole teams disrespecting the flag/vets/country/people and give themselves a big black eye on national TV. It is bad enough that grown "men" are acting like that but now they are teaching kids to be anti-American by letting whole high-school teams neal during the National Anthem. They need to be taught better than that.

    Laz, you are right. The flag is just a piece of cloth. No one sings or pledges allegiance to the cloth but to what it represents--we the people, our country, and the men and women who have died to keep us free. Therefore, when people show disrespect, they deserve the backlash they get. And a punch in the face.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 12:29 PM
  • They did not fine the player for the 9-11 shoes.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 13, 2016, at 10:29 PM
  • "And a punch in the face."

    Now, that would teach high school teams how "adults" deal with someone who disagrees with them.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 5:34 AM
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    I said that for bo since he seems to be out of town. And they DO deserve a punch in the face. I did not say I would do it, just that they deserve it. Surely you know in this world people don't always get what they deserve. (Paraphrasing the famous philosopher Mick Jagger.)

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 14, 2016, at 8:32 AM
  • Our military fought for freedom of speech not a flag or pledge of allegiance written by a slave owner. This means as much to Kaepernick as the 2nd amendment means to gun owners.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 12:19 PM
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    This means nothing to Kaeperdick. He is just a spoiled brat having a temper tantrum. They won't let him play QB so if he has to warm the bench he will make a scene and dare them to stop him. If he feels oppressed because he is only getting 15 (or is it 19, I can never remember) million dollars this year for being a back up then maybe he should take his marbles and go home and collect welfare.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 1:20 PM
  • I am just curious, Fare, why you think he would go on welfare? He did not opt to leave early for the NFL, and has a bachelors degree in Business Management.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 6:44 PM
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    I don't know if he would or not Laz. I just said maybe he should. He doesn't seem to be much of a contributing member of society. He probably can't get a job now at a self-respecting company. But if he got a BA/BS in BM he may have had the foresight to set aside a few of his millions to live on in the future.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 15, 2016, at 8:47 PM
  • You know,Fare; prior to this episode, I knew nothing about Kapernick. But I was sort of curious about who he was. Of course, I still don't know him personally, but it was not hard to find out a few things about him.

    He did not have the path lined with roses for his athletic career. He did not even start out as a quarterback. While he had some success in high school, the colleges were not lined up at his door. Nevada was the only school to offer him a scholarship, and they only did it because one assistant coach saw him... not even playing football, but basketball... and thought there was something there. I don't know if you know how these scholarships work, but they are pretty one sided. A kid ties himself to a school, but the school has to renew the scholarship every year. They can just dump a player any time, with no repercussions. A "provisional" recruit like kapernick has to prove themselves every day... He must have proven himself pretty well, as he became the best quarterback Nevada ever had. My son played ball in college. It is like having a full time job (and then some). But Kapernick did not just take the "free ride." He made use of his opportunity, and got a "real" degree in 4 years. He was not a physical specimen guaranteed to move on to the NFL (just like he was not a physical specimen courted by the Alabamas and Ohio States.) But he worked his tail off and proved himself worthy of a late 2nd round draft pick. His NFL career has had its highs and lows, but, basically, Kapernick has been the kind of kid I like to see. He is smart, hard working, and has earned everything he has gotten.

    Now, I am not sure what kind of "contribution" any professional athlete makes to society. But, I suspect that Kapernick has not been blowing his money. You don't need to lie awake at night for fear you will be paying his welfare.

    We might think his protest is foolish and misguided, but he is still just a kid. At least he is passionate and involved, and not just out throwing his money away in strip clubs. From where he was, all he had to do was be quiet and keep his nose clean. An experienced NFL quarterback can rake in millions for a lot of years, and that is just being a backup. If he returned to his previous form, he could have made much more than that. This protest of his has, and will, cost him plenty. The world is not composed of only two kinds of people, those who agree with me politically and scum. Kapernick has earned my respect, whether I agree with his political choices or not.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 10:25 AM
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    Well thanks Laz for almost saying I am not scum. That really means a lot to me, especially coming from you. Somehow I feel like we will always have some kind of weird connection. Thanks Carl. But back to Colin. Although he is still young, he is an adult. Were he to stop his foolishness and apologize to the American people, I would respect him then. I don't doubt he has had a hard life. Everyone does. And up until now sounds like he has done a good job handling it. And he certainly hasn't made a fatal error. All he needs to do is learn from it, grow from it, and go on with life.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 16, 2016, at 10:47 AM
  • Wouldn't it be nice if people were as concerned about unarmed people getting shot by police as they are about Kaepernick not standing for the national anthem.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Sep 24, 2016, at 3:35 PM
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    I served in the Military when I was right out of high school. I went in to protect my homeland from the enemy coming over here and fighting on our soil.


    They are here on our soil Killing Americans and we can't even fight back.

    Get a gun permit and the cops do everything they can to take it away from you.

    The Cops KILL Blacks and the Blacks KILL Cops.

    The Black Lives Matter Movement say "The Only Good white man is a dead white man.

    If I am not mistaking, that is RACIST! And you think Trump is Racist?

    Americans are KILLING Americans just about everyday now. But then, who is our Commander in Chief? Hillary will be exactly the same way, according to her own words.

    We need a Commander in Chief who can do something to stop all this killing. All this RACIST Schitz started after Obama was elected.

    Looks like Obama's Gun Control law is, if you have a gun the cops are going to KILL you with their guns. When a cop shoots, it's like they have to empty their gun or all the cops start shooting also. It never seems to be one bullet is enough, unless it is an abused wife who empties her gun into her husband who threatened to kill her, then it is first degree murder, because she shot him more than once.

    Even in the old westerns, if they shot a man in the back it was murder.

    America is going STUPID! Has anyone thought about how we must look to the rest of the world? We are killing ourselves. HOME GROWN? That even sounds worse! We are growing our own Children to grow up as Terrorists whom we let kill us. Obama and Hillary has made us a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Is that what Freedom is?

    I served in the Military to protect and preserve our Freedom and no one here in America knows that we the people ARE the Sovereignty! They think Obama and Hillary and their administrations are the world leaders. They can't even run their agencies properly.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Sep 24, 2016, at 7:38 PM
  • LBR, they should be lots more concerned, not just "as concerned". To what incident are you referring and what makes you think people are "not concerned"?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Sep 24, 2016, at 9:17 PM
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    Steve, I can't speak for lbr?, but at least some of the ones "not concerned" are the ones that think of any cop-shooting-a-black-person as reason for a (AF)BLM shopping spree. The real problem here is the broken educational system. If we could just figure out how to teach people to follow the orders of the cop pointing a gun at them, we could eliminate cop killings. We could use those same methods to teach people that don't have enough decency to actually respect the flag how to at least act like they aren't a whining dumb@ss.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Sep 24, 2016, at 10:44 PM
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