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Steve Mills

Presidential debate. Thoughts?

Posted Monday, September 26, 2016, at 2:19 PM
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  • Definitely watching. I can't imagine anything happening that will change any minds. But, then, I really can't imagine that anyone would be undecided, altho apparently many are. What I expect to see is Clinton to be well-versed on all the details, but awkward on camera, and Trump to demonstrate little knowledge of anything, but be very good on camera...Why would anything change now?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Sep 26, 2016, at 6:03 PM
  • I'll have to give Hillary credit, she didn't fall out during the debate, though she did have a death grip on the podium and looked like a wobbly drunk during her entrance and while shaking hamds afterwards.

    Trump did very well the first 30 minutes and bombed afterwards.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 6:40 AM
  • Yes Quite Mike, there is a certain irony to this. Trump came in and did a good job at the outset.... but lacked the stamina to maintain his mental discipline. His performance deteriorated for the remainder of the "debate." Taking a shot at Rosie O'Donnell at the end was the real clincher. We are talking about being fit for the office of President, and he is fixated on his grudge with Rosie O'Donnell? What would he do as president; jail all the comedians? build a wall around late night TV talk shows?

    To be honest, both did better than I expected. Clinton came across as semi-natural. That is an achievement for her. I was not surprised that she was able to stay on task.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 7:42 AM
  • I guess what I saw was Trump's self-control wear thin, not necessarily his stamina.

    Clinton brought up the comment about Trump calling "women" names and as I recall, those names were aimed at one person not women in general. So who really brought it up?

    If it is fair for a comedian (not sure I really qualify Rosie as that, but I suppose that is viewed differently in peoples' eyes) to take shots at public figures, then it is fair (not necessarily prudent) for them to strike back.

    I agree that they both did better than I expected. However, listening to Clinton, I realized how ingrained socialism is in her mindset. That is scary.

    Trump is a bit of a bull in a china closet. I don't mind that domestically but my concern is what that will do internationally. His restraint during most of the debate was encouraging.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 8:36 AM
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    Sick hilly certainly made some points by remaining upright (positional, not moral) for 90 minutes. Trump made some points by remaining civil and relatively calm. Holt lost some points by being slick hilly's water boy--interrupting and "fact checking" Trump. I don't see how answering a question equates to a fixation on rosie o'dullard. Of course, had he not answered the question, the libs would be whining about that.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 10:13 AM
  • After the debate last night the Clintons were smiling and shaking hands,the Trump family looked like the ball team that lost the big game. Trump was low energy and uncivil and not calm.He was the only one America saw leaning on the podium and drinking gallons of water and sniffling.His excuse was something wrong with the microphone. He would not dare mention he was sick even though he looked like it. He looked tired and bored.

    America saw who is ready to be president,and it ain't Trump.He is ignorant even about laws.He did not know "stop and frisk" was illegal. I can't believe his remark about not paying taxes was that he was smart.

    Even his buddy Giuliani said Trump should not do another debate.

    Trump stated he will bring up Bill Clintons affairs at the next debate. Bill is not running, Trump is. Does he want his numerous affairs on numerous wives opened up?

    Hillary made campaign stops after the debate,Trump went home with his tail between his legs. She kicked his a**.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 11:41 AM
  • LBR,

    Hate to hreak it to you but stop and frisk is not illegal. Terry v Ohio has been the ruling case since 1968.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 11:49 AM
  • It is not quite that simple, Quite Mike. The 2013 case of the Center for Constitutional Rights against the NYPD resulted in a ruling which curtailed the NYC use of stop and frisk against just anyone they felt like stopping and frisking; requiring a "minimal level of objective justification" before the tactic was used. Terry v Ohio established a lower standard for stop and frisk, of "reasonable suspicion." That is a lower standard than "probable cause," but it is still a standard. The lower court decision clarified the standard for stop and frisk, and the Supreme Court has not struck that ruling down. For all intents and purposes, the stop and frisk standard Trump wants to emulate is not legal.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 3:01 PM
  • "I don't see how answering a question equates to a fixation on rosie o'dullard."

    It would not, if he had been asked a question about O'Donnell (who I don't find particularly funny, either). He was asked about his denigrating statements about "women," and there are many examples besides O'Donnell. I ask you, has there been a president in your memory who responded to having a comedian make jokes about them with personal attacks, much less carried on an ongoing feud?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 3:09 PM
  • "However, listening to Clinton, I realized how ingrained socialism is in her mindset."

    I agree with you. However, when I am presented with a relatively competent person, who does not agree with me philosophically, and someone unfit for office, I cannot vote for the incompetent. We still have a "conservative" congress in both houses. And, for all the grandiose promises we heard last night, neither candidate can deliver on those promises without the acquiescence of congress. I am brought back to your first observation; "I guess what I saw was Trump's self-control wear thin..." That is after 30 minutes debating Clinton. A president will face far greater challenges than that.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 3:24 PM
  • His self-control wearing thin could also have been from the observation made by FairShare. Holt seemed to be favoring Clinton in his comments and questions. I thought that as well but thought it was just me.

    Trump probably did not like being bridled in by his speech coaches and his comments started showing that. Not that I know, nor does anyone else but Trump and his closest.

    I find it hard to believe that Trump is denigrating and rude to all the women around him. Just those who earn his disdain. Men probably experience that as well when they cross him.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 3:55 PM
  • After all the jokes about Hillary's health and stamina, Trump was the one who ended up looking wore down. He was also suffering from some obvious breathing problems with all the sniffing and snorting noises.

    Either that, or he snorted a "yuge" line of coke before he came out.

    The latter might be more conceivable, considering some of his babbling incoherent answers.

    I think what we are watching is the "Trump Train" starting to slowly derail.

    His answers about Internet security, where he started out talking about his youngest son using the computer, then started babbling about something completely different, was baffling.

    And Steve, Trump's disparaging remarks towards women weren't "aimed at just one person".

    And it wasn't even Rosie that Hillary was referencing. It was a contestant in one of Trump's beauty pageants that Trump thought had gained a little weight, so he called her "Miss Piggy". She was also Hispanic, so he called her "Miss Housekeeping".

    Hispanic....Miss Housekeeping....get it? A little of Trumps's hilarious racist humor for ya.

    I am still having a hard time believing that this guy is an actual Presidential candidate.

    To me he is the equivalent to Larry the Cable Guy, or Hulk Hogan. This really is the movie "Idiocracy", come to life.

    But even so, I still can't wait to see the next debate.

    It's like roadkill, try as you might to look away, you still look as you pass by. Uggggg.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 4:02 PM
  • Lazarus,

    Do you have a source quoting Trump saying he wanted a lower standard than reasonable suspicion?


    Unless and until Terry is overturned, it is still prevailing law.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 6:09 PM
  • "I would do stop-and-frisk," the Republican presidential nominee said during a town hall with Sean Hannity in response to a question about what Trump would do to control crime. "We did it in New York. It worked incredibly well."

    This quote can be found in numerous locations, and he was surely not tricked into saying it by one of those "unfair" reporters. In 1990 the murder rate in NYC was 31 per 100,000; the highest in the US. By 2000 it was down to 8.4 per 100,000. Stop and frisk started in 2002, and the murder rate continued to drop. Stop and frisk ended when it was found unconstitutional in 2013, and the murder rate continued to drop. In 2015, it was 4.1 per 100,000. That was an increase from 3.9 in 2014, however, the rate in 2016 so far has dropped again.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 7:08 PM
  • I watched part of the debate. I was impressed by both candidates. Impressed to believe our country is in deep trouble.

    Trump had numerous opportunities to really stick it to Hillary, but he didn't?? To me, that indicates he either is not smart enough to recognize the opening, or he is willfully ignoring it.

    Lester Holt was obviously biased in favor of Hillary, but most of the MSM is. That was to be expected.

    Hillary, just re-iterated her same old talking points.

    As I said, I just watched part of it. I was pretty much disgusted by the realization that one of these two will be affecting my life for the next four years and possibly longer :(

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 8:18 PM
  • I didn't watch the debates for several reasons.I never hear the real issues and ways to tackle them or overcome them. Yes we have a thug mentality concerning violence but overall the rates are dropping.Maybe if the media would quit choosing sides,giving these people there 15 minutes of fame then maybe some of this behavior would stop.We as a nation have a long way to go in race relations, poverty,respect and responsibility.I saw a post last week on Facebook accusing the president of all the problems and how he encourages attacks on police.I disagree as the media,society,congress and all Americans share the blame,not just one person.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 9:34 PM
  • Lazarus

    That quote is in the video I posted. No part of that mentions the threshold for stopping someone, which has been reasonable suspicion since 1968.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 AM
  • He specifically references following the NYC model which was ruled by the courts in 2013 as not meeting the standard of reasonable suspicion.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 12:26 PM
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    I for one feel somewhat better after hearing what hillarious had to say the other night. Used to be only I and people like me (non-libs) were racist. At least now we are in good company with the likes of lbr?, lazyrus, wanderhi, and arvey. It is nice to know that now everyone is a racist.

    Stop-and-frisk works great when the leadership has the will to do it.

    Beau, if you want to blame yourself for attacks on the police and all the other problems then go ahead. But don't be blaming me. I have done nothing to encourage anyone to attack the police.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 2:28 PM
  • Socialism is just a word.......Spending our tax dollars on helping to educate the next generation of workers is an ongoing benefit to ALL and a concept that should not be dismissed or ignored. Spending our tax dollars on the rebuilding of our infrastructure is also a necessity that should not be dismissed or ignored. We seem to have no problem finding funding for conflicts completely wasteful to our financial bottom line since any dollars spent there go poof up in smoke.....Dislike for a word is just that...Just a word.....Think about the positive concept of a more educated society......One that would have prevented Donald Trump from rising to the position he now holds...Just think about it...How nice......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 2:45 PM
  • Well, Fare, (i love my puns) the Libertarian in me does not like the concept of giving the police the right to stop and search anyone they feel like, without a reason. And I am not excited at having "leadership with the will to do it." The noble purpose of cracking down on those pesky blacks, can easily expand to include all of us.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 3:12 PM
  • *

    There's the lazyrus (no pun intended) I know and love. Talking about "those pesky blacks". The good citizen in you should not fear demonstrating you are not up to no good. And the libertarian in you is still safe and secure due to A2, despite what your liberal friends are trying to do. The only ones reasonable people are wanting to crack down on are the criminals.

    Pale drone, you are right. Socialism is just a word. But it is one of the scariest words in the dictionary. In theory, if everyone was contributing and playing fair, it might be a nice place to live. But in reality, it is just a scam to take everything from ignorant confused people. What would have prevented Trump from rising to the top of the political heap would have been having politicians that actually cared about we the people instead of their own self interest. And that is too oxymoronic for even me.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 4:29 PM
  • Funny how Capitalism has thrived under the "socialist" policies of President Obama. Record private sector job growth and stock market gains.

    And after Clinton's strong performance in the first debate, stocks and consumer confidence jumped again.


    That's a real strong indicator which candidate would be better for the economy and small business.

    I also liked how Clinton reached out to our allies at the debate letting them know that with her as President, America will stay strong and keep our partnerships with them after Trump's damaging statements about foreign policy and nuclear weapons.


    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 4:45 PM
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    Arvy, there is a difference between thriving and surviving. With all the job growth how come the ridiculous labor participation rate? And 1 out of 5 households have no one in the labor force? And thinking the moves in the market translate into how the economy is doing? Starting to sound like 19 28 all over again. Anyone who thinks higher taxes and more stifling regulations will be better for the economy and small business should learn a little about cause and effect.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 5:13 PM

    We already are living in the scam of the 1% taking everything from the people. Donald just wants to have a bigger stake in it......He wants it huge.....It wasn't only the the politicians who put him where he is...It was in a large part the confused, ignorant people...

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 5:20 PM
  • *

    Sorry Pale drone, I am not calling you names. But I understand how you may identify with the ignorant confused people that champion socialism. The ones that never figure out eventually you run out of other people's money.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 5:39 PM
  • well, Fare, we just won't be agreeing on this one. I am not ever going to be content to live in a police state. Absolute police power to stop and search anyone at any time is not the mark of a free society.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 5:56 PM
  • Cause - Bush presidency/ Republican policies

    Effect - The worst economy since The Great Depression

    Cause - Obama presidency/ Democratic policies

    Effect - 70 straight months of private sector job growth, record stock market gains, unemployment down to 5%, housing market up, etc, etc,

    Yeah, vote Trump and take us back to the good ole' days of that disasterous economy

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 6:02 PM
  • *

    The economy tanked because Congress wanted to shove the American dream (home ownership) down everyone's throat whether they could afford it or not. Granted, Bush went along with it. Thank goodness b o came along and printed all that monopoly money for all those "shovel ready jobs". If he ever gets us into a real recovery I guess we will see 3% growth again. In the past 7 plus years, not a single quarter of 3 or better. Somehow I'm thinking of Archie Bunker and hearing "Those Were the Days".

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 7:10 PM
  • FS...

    Reread what I earlier wrote....

    Obviously YOU are confused.......The ignorant, confused people ARE the desperate ones hoping Trump and the Republicans are not going to forget that they exist as they are squeezed out of every last nickel they have....This has nothing at all to do with the Democratic Party ..... That is the ignorance of it.......

    Hang on to what satisfies your desire for government downsizing......A party which would rather spend the Nation's economy by shutting it down than by creating a working and educated economy because they are " afraid " of a word.......What is the word for the GOP who have spent and spent and spent to try and prove their Right Wing Media Based Conspiracy theories ? You talk about less government ? HAH !!! What a waste of time and money.....Look at the big picture.....Can you ? Probably not or we wouldn't be here....

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Sep 28, 2016, at 7:21 PM
  • Lazarus,

    Nothing in Trumps statement references following New York's model. He simply said they had stop and frisk in New York.

    It's a red herring anyway as it is already established law, but it's something democrats can turn into a racial wedge issue.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 7:14 AM
  • Palindrome-"Socialism is just a word..."?? surely you understand that this word represents an idea or set of ideas, especially since you refer to others as "ignorant and confused".

    Here I will post the definition of this idea for you;


    noun: socialism

    a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

    radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;

    communism, Marxism, labor movement

    *policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

    synonyms: leftism, welfarism; More

    radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;

    communism, Marxism, labor movement

    *(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

    The idea that Socialism is "just a word" indicates acceptance, and, a willingness to surrender the individual liberty and possessions that socialism requires. If so, one should realize that Communism is the next logical progression. Otherwise, one appears "ignorant".

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 7:31 AM
  • L4L......You missed the ENTIRE point.................

    You are fixated on a word...........

    I am not endorsing a word........

    I said it is important to think about a concept of putting our tax dollars where they will do the most good.....

    But I suppose it is an impossible task for the name callers to understand.............

    You seem to have the need to label everything......Sometimes the label is incorrect............As it is in this case..........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 7:40 AM
  • I believe it was you who brought this word into this blog. It would seem you have the fixation on the word. To me and most others, it is an idea, not just a word. If it just a word, then why use it?

    I understand your point about the use of tax dollars, But, not everything revolves around dollars.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 8:02 AM
  • Trump considers himself smart for working to reduce or even eliminate his tax debt. I would bet there are a LOT of people who do that as well and therefore quietly agree.

    I admit that I don't want to pay any excess tax myself, although I usually leave a few things that might get me an additional $50-100.

    Besides needing the money to exist, I don't trust how my money is being used. Examples abound and I have considered doing a post about that but it is almost as bad as politics. Maybe that is because politicians are making all the "rules".

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 8:27 AM
  • The "same old, same old" "politics as usual" is probably what scares me most about Clinton. As an individual I doubt that any President can do too much harm or good for that matter, but with a strong network, a lot can be done.

    I don't like Clinton but I fear her cronies. She is too ingrained into a power base that I DO NOT TRUST.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 8:31 AM
  • No, L4L I did not bring the word into this blog....I was responding to the use of the word already presented.......

    " If it is just a word then why use it "..... MY POINT EXACTLY........

    Labels and name calling are the products of closed minds.......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 8:40 AM
  • *

    Steve was just stating a fact. Socialism is ingrained in slick hilly's mindset. Along with lying and corruption.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 9:09 AM
  • Opinions are not facts.........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 9:29 AM
  • Palindrome- I see where Steve actually used the word "Socialism" first above. But, it was YOUR FIXATION on the word, and your asinine statement "Socialism is just a word", that brought it to the forefront of the discussion.

    I agree opinions are not facts.

    "Socialism is just a word"= opinion

    "Socialism" has meaning= fact

    The word is used to convey a belief in a certain ideology. Which is the way Steve used it.

    Your opinion is like putting lipstick on an ugly hog. You may think it looks better, but it is still an ugly hog.

    If you are so set on your opinion, then further discussion is useless.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 AM
  • Was that the Trump Train that crashed in New Jersey this morning?

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 11:30 AM
  • Just so ya know, I have friends and family who live in the Hoboken and Weehawken area. None that i know were on the train, but.....

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 12:06 PM
  • I find myself particularly peeved by the use of "Socialism" as some sort of generic pejorative. Socialism, as noted above, is when the government owns the means of producing goods and services. All modern governments include socialism. It is just a matter of degree. Having a standing army is Socialism. We could just have warlords with their own private armies. The police are socialism, everyone could contract for their own security. The interstate, for that matter, all federal, state, and local roadways are socialism... We could pay a toll every mile to travel on private roadways. Virtually everyone grasps that there are some goods and services that we benefit from having the government provide. The only difference is in where we think the line should be drawn. I find it particularly amusing that the good citizens of Shelbyville, that bastion of anti-socialism, nearly revolted when there was talk of privatizing garbage pickup.... City garbage pickup is, guess what; Socialism. It even fits that description where those who do not receive the service are forced to pay for it through their taxes.... every time the city garbage truck stops by your house, you are spending someone else's money. So don't talk all holy about socialism. I did not encounter anyone who objected to someone else's money being spent on them. It only became wrong when they thought their money was being spent on someone else.

    When I talk to my liberal friends, I have found that we do not disagree on what is right and what is wrong. We do not disagree about what sort of a society we should live in. Everyone agrees we should live in a society where people work and pull their share of the weight. None of us want to live in a society of racial discrimination and injustice. Mostly, we disagree about the extent of the government's role in creating that society. Weak leadership promotes itself by playing to our worst instincts, and dividing us when we are not so very different at all. As a result, I see us, people who believe in the same goals down deep, calling each other names, and condemning each other as if those who differ politically are the essence of evil.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 2:06 PM
  • Sorry Steve, ok so....fat shaming women, racist jokes, and mocking disabled people - acceptable

    Personal injury jokes - not cool

    I'll make a note of it

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 2:54 PM
  • Was that the Trump Train that crashed in New Jersey this morning?

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 11:30 AM


    Maybe a witness against the Clintons was on board.

    We'll know for sure if someone shot themselves in the back of the head, twice, during the crash.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 3:17 PM
  • Oh that's right...I forgot one.

    Thanks Mike.

    False accusations of murder - totally acceptable when claimed by a republican.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 3:29 PM
  • RV I am not sure that I said any of that was "OK" and it is really disappointing that you feel the need to state those things, implying that I approve.

    As mentioned earlier, One doesn't have to call names or make derogatory insinuations just because they disagree.


    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 4:04 PM
  • Steve, you asked a question earlier.

    "If it is fair for a comedian (referring to Rosie O' Donnell) to take shots at public figures, then is it fair (not necessarily prudent) for them to strike back."

    That sounds to me like you're kinda up in the air as to whether it was ok or "prudent" for Trump, a nominee for President of The United States, to call her a fat pig.

    My parents taught me a very young age that you don't talk to any girl that way, no matter how much you dislike her.

    I would think (hope) that someone vying to be our President would have a little more class than that also.

    Another remark you made was-

    "I find it hard to believe that Trump is denigrating and rude to all the women around him. Just those who earn his disdain."

    I answered you by referencing the same example that Clinton brought up at the debate about the Miss Universe winner that Trump made racist comments about and disgraced her for gaining weight.

    The only thing she did to "earn his distain", was gained weight.

    Your response to this.....silence.

    Sometimes that speaks louder than words.

    You are right. I've never seen you say you approve of Trumps despicable remarks, but you, like others seem to just turn your head.

    I find Trump unacceptable as a human being, let alone a Presidential candidate.

    But you just see him as a "bull in a china shop".

    And as far as I can tell, you could still vote for him.

    I find that disappointing as well.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 5:54 PM
  • *

    She also violated her contact. At least Trump worked with her and didn't fire her, which would have been perfectly acceptable. At least he never got a rapist off scott free, and then laugh about it. But since the left thinks that is okay, maybe the poor little girl did something to deserve it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 7:18 PM
  • RV, I often don't respond to comments on this type of blog post because I usually post it for those of you who want to "mix it up". But, since you and I seem to be at odds at the moment.

    In politics ALL seems to be fair. I don't think it was prudent.

    My parents taught me the same about calling ANYONE names, male or female.

    I do not know the circumstances around Trump and Miss Universe so I chose to refrain from agreeing or disagreeing. However, it was not something I would do under any circumstances. Your inference was an assumption and that often.....

    I have commented numerous times about my dislike of Trump, so do not make assumptions about me on this either, unless of course, you like to be wrong.

    While a "bull in a China closet" is very disruptive, I believe our current "good old boy/girl system in the Congress needs to be disrupted. Trump could be the "Bull" that shakes that up some. This is better than other methods.

    The network built around Clinton bothers me more, so yes, I could still vote for him. I wish I had someone better but, so is life.

    And finally, you have every right to be disappointed in me or anyone who does not vote for your candidate. That was not the source of my disappointment in the previous post.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 29, 2016, at 7:20 PM
  • Well, it is good to see you in here "mixing it up". I hold no grudges and love a good political debate.

    In reguard to Trump, you are not alone in possibly being able to overlook his despicable racist, misogynist, bigoted remarks and still vote for him.

    Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, said some of Trumps remarks were "the textbook definition of racism". But that he will still support him.

    Ted Cruz called Trump a "pathological liar", a "narcissist", and Trump insulted his wife and accused his father of possibly being involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but he said he's still going to vote for him.

    So nothing surprises me at this point .

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 5:27 AM
  • This discussion is an exact example of why I do not usually listen to, read or participate in political debates or blogs that allow anonymity. I understand if they did not, then many of these blogs would be silent but at least I can choose to participate or not.

    In this case, I now choose to not. When my name is tied into a statement that implies that I am " possibly able to overlook" blah, blah, blah, you are trying to make it seem that I agree.

    My participation is done. I am sure you will want

    To have the last say about that, and I will allow it by my withdrawal. Please enjoy yourself.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 6:37 AM
  • I guess I am confused, Steve. I thought that was exactly what you just said: "The network built around Clinton bothers me more, so yes, I could still vote for him. I wish I had someone better but, so is life." I am not trying to accuse you of anything, but I apparently did not get your meaning and am trying to understand what you meant?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 10:34 AM
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    RV, do you really want to talk about candidates lying when you support hilliary? Priceless.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 1:54 PM
  • Trump is digging his own grave with his little hands and his big mouth. I hope he keeps talking. He says Clinton has nasty ads against him but they are his own words. What will he do to private citizens for talking about him if he wins,arrest them? No normal grown man who wants to be president would keep tweeting nasty things about women. I don't care what this woman has done,it does not change that he belittled her in public for her weight.He needs to step back and take a good look in the mirror. The sad look on his wife's face in public tells me things are probably as bad at home.

    Bringing up Bill Clintons past is going to backfire especially with women. This has nothing to do with America's problems. Its like the pot calling the kettle black.

    How will the Cuban americans feel about him giving money to Cuba during the embargo?

    His next 2 debates are also going to be a disaster ,because he can not hold a train of thought and starts rambling.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 2:03 PM
  • If you honestly believe the debate was fairly moderated and without bias, you're head is firmly stuck in the sand. Lester Holt fact checked Mr. Trump a total of 6 times. He didn't fact check Hillary even once. He also interrupted Trump a total of 41 times and only interrupted Hillary 7 times.

    I'm still convinced that both candidates are absolutely disgusting.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 2:47 PM
  • Lazarus your question deserves answering but like you I am unsure what it is. If I ignore other responses it is not because I agree or disagree.

    Basically I don't like Trump but I dislike Clinton even more.

    Therefore, I might still vote for Trump.

    I could abstain and that might be the final choice but I hate to not use a vote that has been paid for in blood so many years ago.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 3:53 PM
  • If it provides any comfort, Steve, neither of our votes will make any difference in the election. Tennessee will select Trump.... all the Yellow Dog Democrats have become Yellow Dog Republicans. Like you, I am not fond of either candidate. I could embrace the idea of "shaking up" the status quo. However, putting a 12 year old in the White House would be cutting off our noses to spite our face.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 5:42 PM
  • Tim; The moderator of the debate is a registered Republican. Trump's behavior, and his stubborn repetition of blatantly false claims, that have been repeatedly debunked are the cause of his problems.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 5:47 PM
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    Holt might claim to be a Republican but even more so, he is part of the mainstream media. Gotta wonder why he didn't remind slick hilly that yes, we did have 4 Americans killed in Lybia. I doubt Trump much cares what or who slick willy did while in office . He cares more about making sure the women too young to remember are made aware of how slick hilly treated those women. One poor woman had her cat at least stolen, if not killed and her kids threatened. But I gotta hand it to you libs out there that are upset about miss piggy, I mean miss universe. Slick hilly called a lot of women a lot of names, but as far as I know she never called em fat. The funniest thing about hilliary getting elected will be seeing her sit at the same desk Monica once sat under.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 6:34 PM
  • The funniest thing about hilliary getting elected will be seeing her sit at the same desk Monica once sat under.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 6:34 PM

    Now that is one to think about.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Sep 30, 2016, at 7:34 PM
  • Too bad the mainstream media isn't interested in old clips of Hillary like they are for Trump.

    I'm sure Hillary calling the glut of Bill's accusers a "bimbo eruption" would resonate with female voters


    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 3:26 AM
  • I suppose everyone needs the comfort of believing they are surrounded by implacable enemies. But, the truth is that the "mainstream media" has not treated Trump unfairly. "If it bleeds, it leads," and Trump is his own worst enemy, with his nonstop childish antics. While it might seem reasonable to you, that the media should dredge up decades old tapes on Clinton, so that they can match the sheer volume of Trump's current foibles, that is not how it works. His own words and actions produce unlimited bad press. There is a certain irony, in that he is held to a much lesser standard than any politician in history, as far as verity. He produces so many falsehoods, that there is no way to focus attention on yesterday's fabrication, when there are ten more to report today.

    All he would have had to do to win this election was act like a grownup.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 10:57 AM
  • So, the Miss Universe "scandal" happened just last week, and the media is all a flutter with it because it's breaking news?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 2:04 PM
  • Trump kept the miss Universe tweets going for days.Why was he up at 3 am looking at sex tapes? Trump is a pervert,just listen to his Howard Stern interviews how he talks about women,even how he talks about his own daughter and her friends being hot.

    It is not a woman alive that if in Hillary's shoes would not have called women that chased their husband names. I would have said things worse than bimbo.Blaming a woman for what her husband does will not go well in the eyes of women.

    Women of America better wake up if Trump wins.

    Look at the type of men he has surrounded himself with.Roger Ailes sexually harassed 24 women. Gingrich left one wife while she was recovering from cancer. Giuliani married his cousin stating he did not know this and divorced her after 14 years of marriage while having an affair in the mayor's office with his next wife to be.

    Trump and Gingrich both look like the Pillsbury dough boys and have the nerve to call someone fat. Trump, Gingrich and Giuliani have 9 wives between them,but they can talk about Hillary being upset at these women. Give me a break.

    Does anyone else think it is just a coincidence that Newsweek's site crashed the same day the story broke about Trumps Cuban embargo problem? I'am just saying.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 3:39 PM
  • Trump is still holding grudges against people who said something about him 40 years ago. This is not normal folks. We will have a president if he wins going after private Americans for bad mouthing him and will retaliate against them.People of color know what he means with phrases like "law and order and stop and frisk". He call this uniting America.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 3:47 PM
  • Clinton brought it up, no doubt knowing that Trump has no impulse control. They both drug stuff out of the closet. She gave her prepared answer and moved on.... Trump gave his issue new legs by going off on social media. Can you give me a good reason that a supposed presidential candidate is trashing a former miss universe on social media?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 4:09 PM
  • LBR

    Sad you think victims of rape and sexual harrasment are chasing their attackers

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 7:46 PM
  • There is no good reason. Trump can't let things go no matter how trivial. This is not normal behavior folks.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 7:46 PM
  • Laz,

    Perhaps because she was an admitted acessory to an attempted murder?

    Nothing on Hillary's "basement dwellers" comment?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 7:47 PM
  • Quite Mike; Conspiracy theories exist with varying degrees of believability. Some of them, like the Birther stuff, or the Clintons as serial killers simply discredit the source, and cause me to be more skeptical of any information from that source.

    The "basement dwellers" comment was seized on and trumpeted widely, but it is not even a sentence taken out of context; it is two words (and even those misquoted for effect.) The actual quote has exactly the opposite meaning of the one that was attempted to portray:

    "Some are new to politics completely. They're children of the Great Recession and they are living in their parents' basement. They feel they got their education, and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves, and they don't see much of a future..."

    It goes on too long to be worth copying here, but suffice it to say, it is sympathetic to millenials, not critical.

    I figured you would hit her on the "basket of deplorables" comment, which she really did say. That one was a mistake. But, herein lies the difference between Clinton and Trump. She apologized (even if it was not the strongest apology I have ever heard.) When Trump makes similar gaffes, he doubles down.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 10:17 PM
  • Nevertheless, it is truly sad that this campaign has come down to whether voters dislike Clinton more than they distrust Trump... or vice versa.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Oct 1, 2016, at 11:44 PM
  • True, but when was the last time you were actually excited to vote for a quailified candidate?

    The 80s for me.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 3:18 AM
  • 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, and now 2016

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 8:36 AM
  • Quit Mike; I waited forever for a chance to vote for McCain.... and then they made it impossible with Palin.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 10:29 AM
  • And according to Donald Trump, "John McCain is not a war hero".

    Because he was captured.

    "I like people that weren't captured", Trump said.

    What a slap in the face to all our Veterans and P.O.W.'s.

    And he can say this after McCain spent 5 1/2 years being tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp while he was at a rich boy prep school getting four student deferments from military service. Then another after graduating for a supposed bone spur in his foot. He just can't remember which foot now when asked about it.

    What a guy.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 12:13 PM
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    I watch some of the debate until I realized that the debate was between Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney. Yes, Trump turned into the girly-man Mitt Romney to the tee. He chocked just like Donald Trump said about Mitt.

    Lester Holt fact checked Mr. Trump a total of 6 times. He didn't fact check Hillary even once. He also interrupted Trump a total of 41 times and only interrupted Hillary 7 times.

    Yet at the same time Lester gave Trump 4 sure fire Subject reasons to go after Hillary's throat. It went right over his head because everyone was telling him not to go after Hillary so he would look Presidential. What a big mistake that was. They have to let Trump be Trump!

    When Hillary Clinton loses the Commander in Chief job, she will be trading her pantsuits in for jumpsuits, orange jumpsuits. Oh well, the women were looking for a woman President this election. If Hillary wins, they will be getting 2 women, President and vice president. Hope the Vice doesn't start wearing pantsuits!

    Trump will make a great President because he doesn't know how the Political arena works for sure yet. Trump has to be informed on all the actions and duties of the President of the United States.

    The only "BUTTONS" that are in the Presidents reach are the buttons to summons a secretary, an aid, cabinet member and Monica Lewinsky's private cellphone. There is no Nuclear Destruct BUTTON!

    Grow up and get a brain. How many jobs have you ever applied for where you just went to work without having to be trained for the job?

    It was stated that Hillary Clinton never finished her training before starting her Secretary of the State job. No excuse for not knowing how to do her job or handle classified information. She had been in the government system for 25 years or more.

    What if she doesn't finish her Presidential training program? It won't make any difference because she is going to run our country further in the Hole.

    When did Trump do something that was Racist? How many times a day do the democrats say Racist remarks? Why does congress need a Black caucus if they are not Racist? The Black caucus only creates racist remarks and calls everything Racist so they can keep their black caucus. The Black Caucus is the same thing as displaying the Rebel Flag. It just wants to make everything racist so they can keep it alive. Any thing that keeps racist alive should be done away with, just like the rebel flag that honored the black and white who lost their lives fighting for their rights. They wanted to silence the flag as being racist, yet brag about the movie "Roots" that is most definitely racist. It shows racist against the blacks. That's like the blacks burning and looting their own town when they get upset with the white government.

    It was these groups under the control of Hillary's Black Lives Matter groups who done all the hateful rioting at Trumps rallies. It wasn't Trump stirring them up, it was Hillary's orders making them jump up like uncivilized idiots. The news medias blamed Trump because the MSMBC news and the Hillary campaign invoke the lies blaming Trump and his free speech.

    Notice, no one rioted at Hillary's or Bernie's rallies, because the Trump supporters weren't interested in the lies Hillary and Bernie had to say.

    Lies like free colleges, free loans, free tuition, lower taxes. Millennials would be able to get jobs and leave their parents basement. Yeah, like that is going to happen! Why would they leave their parents basement when it doesn't cost them anything with 3 or 4 free meals each day and running hot/cold water.

    Hillary will keep on spending just like Obama until the debt is called in. She will give your money away to terrorist groups and illegal immigrants and let you foot the bill.

    Hillary is going to bring in more refugees into our country without vetting them and place them in every state so there will be no way to control them. Just like giving 18,000 U.S. Citizenships to immigrants who were suppose to be deported. That wasn't an accident. The government played us for fools and they will continue to do so, unless we put Trump in office.

    All these refugees will have to go to school because that is the law in the united States. However, what school will they be going to? They can't speak English, so now we will have to build schools to send them to. That is, build schools in every state that has Syrians living in them.

    Just another expense we can't afford.

    Like I said before, the Sovereignty is exempt from the law because it is the author and source of the law.

    HILLARY CLINTON is a good example of just that. Above the law! The only thing is, Hillary Clinton is not part of the sovereignty when she is working as a government employee.

    I listened to the Director of the FBI, James Comey, say he was no weasel and one day you will see that the FBI is the same as you loved before. That says, James Comey, is no fool. He isn't wasting his evidence on an Obama pardoning case. He is waiting to see if Trump becomes President before he requests a grand jury investigation. He is being silent until he knows Hillary can't get out of a jury trial.

    So I wouldn't waste my vote on this woman who has never helped any women that I know of except Waserman and Huma Abedin.

    -- Posted by sui on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 4:57 PM
  • Sui what has Trump ever done to help women? Women are just sex objects to him.Why is it everyone elses fault when Trump lies? So now it is Holts fault that Trump lied so much during the debate,just like its the microphone made him snort and sniff.

    When Giuliani was asked about his own cheating when talking about Bill Clinton,his answer was "I'm not running for president". Neither is Bill. I hope they let Trump be Trump and he keeps talking. Today he even said Hillary was cheating on Bill.This can of worms is going to backfire in his face.

    Sui tell me when did the rebel flag ever honor blacks? And tell me how Roots was racist.

    Trump does not know how to run a country or anything about foreign policy. He knew how to dodge the draft,evade taxes,rip off poor workers and take his manufacturing companies out of the country.Did that help the working class?Questions will continue to go right over Trump's head because does not have a clue about what is better for America on any policy. All he can do is throw personal insults.

    The case against Hillary is over there will be no grand jury she does not need to be pardoned.So get over it. Hillary has fought for women and children of America since she was a teenager.

    There is actually a lawsuit against one of Trump's golf companies that contain sworn declarations from managers in his club that was told by Trump that the hostesses" were not pretty enough and need to be fired". So the managers scheduled the most attractive women as hostesses to be there when Trump visited to help others keep their jobs. This is the type of governing we will experience under a Trump administration.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Oct 2, 2016, at 9:09 PM
  • Lester Holt may indeed be a registered Republican, or at the very least, say he's one. However, he is part of the blatantly left wing, liberally biased main stream media. They themselves don't even try to hide that fact anymore. As far as this election goes, I can no longer stomach the idea of simply voting for the "lesser of two evils", for when doing so, evil still wins. This is the very principle that has resulted in voters now having to choose between the two worst possible candidates to ever seek the White House. By the way, Trump was once a Democrat...until he "said" he wasn't and this page isn't big enough to list every lie Mrs. Clinton has ever told the American people.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 11:39 AM
  • Hillary wanted to drone Julian Assange.

    And Trump has the bad temper?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 1:11 PM
  • Where were all these Trump accusations during the 50 years he was a democrat supporter?

    Amazing how some will quickly dig for dirt when their freebies are threatened.

    Nevermind the democrat party deliberately undermined Bernie's campaign.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM
  • Trump was not running for president during those 50 years,thats the difference. And yes Trump does have the bad temper. His face gets red and his mouth gets even smaller when asked a question he does not like.I bet he puts his family through hell at home.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 2:03 PM
  • You really want to talk about their home lives when Bill has taken more mistresses than Charlie Sheen?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 3:51 PM
  • No one is bringing up anyone's home life but Trump.He has no policies or plans for America,so all he does is throw personal insults.Hillary did not leave her marriage when problems came,unlike Trump who has had 3 wives and cheated on all of them.Now he has 3 baby mamas.Quitemike maybe you need to tell Trump to stay away from this subject.Trump cheated with Maples and left Ivana with 3 kids,then cheated on her and left her with 2 month old,then married Melania and had another kid.

    We are still waiting for Melania to show immigration papers or did she come here with a visa to visit and worked illegally like other models he brought to America.Then threatened them with deportation when it came time to pay them.

    Are you taking up for Assange,a child rapist?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 9:17 PM
  • LBR, you brougut up home life in your last post. (I bet he puts his family through hell at home)

    Hillary only stayed with Bill to glom political power from him, to feed her megalomania. If secret service agents are to be believed, Hillary got more women than Bill.

    I'm not defending Assange, but I do oppose the extra-judicial killings democrats have become so fond of lately.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM
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    The main reason Bill and Hilliary stay together is as long as they are married, neither can be made to testify against the other. No matter how bad it might be staying together, the risk/benefit analysis for both of them will always strongly favor staying together.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Oct 4, 2016, at 1:06 AM
  • now everyone is just being absurd.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Oct 4, 2016, at 6:45 AM
  • You're right Laz.

    Bill and Hillary just exude that adoration and dedication to each other that just lets you know their's was a fairy tale romance and they were destined the be together.

    I've heard that Disney tried to buy the movie rights to their story but the Clintons were quoted as saying wouldn't let money cheapen the story of their true love.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Oct 4, 2016, at 7:54 AM
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    Bill Clinton and fairy tails. Now that is funny. And I am sure no mater how absurd the Clintons act, some people will be convinced that is normal.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Oct 4, 2016, at 9:10 AM
  • Fairies have tails? I knew they wore boots, but didn't know they had tails.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Tue, Oct 4, 2016, at 10:52 AM
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    lets be real, sorry, had other things to deal with.

    Trump has given women Support, Jobs with Equal Pay or higher pay than men, Financial Aid and confidence in themselves. He has stood behind many women.

    Trump is like all the other men you women talk about. All Men cheat on their wives, if you listen to the women. None of us are loyal. My wife accused me of having women on every street corner just waiting for me to leave my house. That would have been something!

    I have been accused of sleeping with women that I had never seen before and didn't even know.

    Trump on the other hand is much different than me. He has the money to live life he way he feels he wants to. I don't know anything about Trumps life or women. You seem to know quite a bit about the old man. I think you are more into Trump and his life than I ever could be.

    If Trump has women scattered around the country side or even the world - I don't think any of them or their children are wanting for anything.

    Trump has two women working for him in his campaign that seem to be very happy with Trump and speak very HIGHLY of him as a human being and a man and a boss.

    I have heard several women speak highly of Trump. Trump like everyone else has a right to talk about a woman he doesn't like, if he chooses to do so, and if she tries to slander him or lie about him he will go after them. Nothing wrong with that.

    Hillary is the biggest liar telling lies about Trump in all her speeches to thousands of listeners.

    I did not blame Holt for doing anything to Trump. I said Holt gave Trump 3 or 4 very hot topics he could use to go after Hillary, but they all went over Trump's head.

    I did watch a rerun of a video that showed what (looked like) someone picking up papers off Hillary's podium (before the Debate) and handing them off to Holt like they do in the spy movies???

    Have you ever watched Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC? His mic is so close to his nose or so powerful that you can hear every breathe he takes, just like what happened with Trump. He wasn't snorting, he was just breathing and the mic was too powerful or too loud where it was placed.

    lbr, you just think Bill isn't running for President! If Hillary gets elected, Bill will be running the country again because Hillary doesn't know how to do it. She has proven to all of us that she can't do anything right. then lies about it.

    How can it backfire on Trump when Bill told Jennifer Flowers that Hillary has had more women than he has. That is why Trump didn't invite her to the debate. The Democrats were looking for her to show up.

    The Rebel Flag represented the confederate troops who were fighting for their right to keep their slaves which they paid for. Have you ever had a war fought over you? That has to be an honor to be fought over and won. It was long after the civil war was over before the blacks were freed. They only freed the slaves in the south. The slaves in the north held by Democrats were still slaves until congress created the 14th amendment and civil rights. Roots talked about the lives of the slaves and what they went through during the lifetimes as slaves. Did it take their roots back to the headhunters and cannibals in Africa before they became slaves in America? Did it explain that many of the Africans sold their family members to the slave marketers for money to eat and survive on? No they just speak of the hard times they went through because of people who lived back them and has nothing to do with people living today, black or white. Look at what the blacks are doing now that they are free; They pimp out girls and women they have addicted to drugs, so they can rent out their sex slaves.

    Who do the cops arrest? The customers of course, but not the slave owners. They sell drugs to little kids so they can make easy money and not have to work for a living.

    Trump knows a lot more about foreign affairs than Hillary knows. She only knows the names of the leaders and which ones she wants to take out. She wants to take out the leader of Syria, but doesn't realize that she would have to go to war with Russia and China as well as Syrian and Iran. She is so brain dead, just like Obama.

    Just so you know, this country is a CORPORATION! It is run like a corporation. That is why Trump is better suited to run this country than Hillary who knows nothing about making jobs, or contracting with the enemy or other countries.

    Trump WAS a business man who ran his affairs like a business man. He done what he needed to do the make a good living for himself and his family. If it included doing some things that were legal or questionable, so what, all businesses do these things including bringing immigrants in and working them for less. It was legal so why not.

    However, as a president, he will know what needs to be done to curbs these questionable dealings or loopholes. Hillary won't do this because she is in the system that uses these questionable actions to get rich while in office.

    Think about it. Hillary and Bill were flat broke when they left the white house. Now they are worth several Million Dollars. How did she and Bill get that much money when she was only working for Obama, and I mean Obama, because she wasn't working for the people, even though she took the paycheck from the people.

    The only personal insults he throws is at people who mistreats him, lies about him or insults him.

    James Comey want you Democrats to think it over with Hillary! He has said too much for me to believe he isn't waiting for Obama to get out of office, so he can't put an executive stop of her case like he did with Att. Gen. Holder. HILLARY IS GOING DOWN!

    The investigations have also spoke of Obama emailing Hillary on her private server, so Obama did know what Hillary was doing just like she said everyone knew what she was doing. Guess What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It was the Republicans that have fought for the black slaves, women and children, not the democrats.

    Hillary hasn't done anything for the women and she is a woman, or something like a woman.

    What has she done for the women? Only thing I heard she done was raise the minimum wage for government employees, but that is just for woman and doesn't include the private sector. Raising the minimum wage will only kill more jobs for the black.

    Oh wait a minute, she is helping the women around the world who are being raped and abused by men and most cases their family and friends. She will be helping hundreds of thousands of refugees that will be flooding into our country because of all the bombings she has encouraged Obama to do in Syria trying to remove the leader from power.

    She sat there with Obama and others and watched in real time while the CIA took weapons out of Libya and sent them to the Syrian rebels on the very same night that Benghazi was attacked. How many women and children did she help that night or the days that followed?

    Bill Clinton said yesterday that Obamacare was a crazy messed thing. Hillary chewed him out because today he is trying to eat his words.

    Hillary claims they have to fix what is broken. The whole **** thing is broken. It never was fit to offer to the people. The supreme court said it was a tax, so where is the benefit or privilege for that tax? Everyone can get insurance now? No! That is just another Obama lie and Hillary is telling it too. There are millions of people who can not afford to get insurance and the Millennials can't afford it either. Will they all go to jail next year? No one went to jail for not paying this year that I know of.

    It's like I said before. You need to get a life. You are so eat up with knowing everything Trump has ever done and assume he will continue to do the same things. You need to go work for Hillary. I am sure she will give you a job, no matter if you are black, white, Muslim, christian,pretty, ugly, rich or poor. AT least you are a woman and that is what you claim Hillary is helping. She hasn't helped the men, so that is Bias.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 12:25 AM
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    Come on Sui, you know the clintons were not flat broke when they left the white house. They had the WH furniture that they stole. I really don't see how her homey comey is going to take her down after giving everyone else immunity and destroying the evidence they turned over. You may think hilliary is going down (which she should), but plenty of people (including slick willy) say that will never happen.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 1:11 PM
  • Sui are you saying it was an honor for the confederates to have to fight to keep humans slaves because the paid for them? Evidently you did not watch Roots or you would have known it started in the jungles of Africa.And yes it showed them selling Africans.If there weren't any buyers there would have been no sellers.Slaves in Africa were like indentured servants they were not treated like slaves in America. Your comment "Look at what blacks are doing now that they are free" is offensive.I see you paint all blacks with a same broad brush,as if they are the only ones that have pimps and sell drugs.

    Trump brags about how smart he was for not paying taxes,it turns out his accountant did all of them. His followers think it was patriotic but it was selfish. When he talks about supporting policemen,vets and the military,how can he keep a straight face while lying.

    Yes Trump was a business man who ran his companies into bankruptcy several times.And that is just how he will run America.

    Raising the minimum wage will not cost jobs only less profit for less in the Ceo's pockets.

    I don't care if Bill does help run the country,we prospered under Bill. That was the time Trump claims he lost 916 million when everone else was making money.

    Sui you said Trump only insults people who insults him.Did the family of the slain soldier,Miss Universe,hispanics,disable people and vets with PTSD among others insult him?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 2:46 PM
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    Lbr?, I'm just curious. Where did you get your MBA? The reason I ask is, if you did get one, you need to run, not walk, back there and get your money back now. You talk like Trump is a bad businessman because a few (4) of his hundreds of companies have gone bankrupt. If you knew anything about business you would know that is a phenomenally good record. Not bad as you imply. And you say Trump didn't pay his taxes. In fact, he has paid every penny he owes. Do you pay more taxes than you owe? I doubt it. But it really wouldn't surprise me if you did. I, on the other hand, along with most people are not stupid enough to pay more taxes than we owe. Please tell me what is patriotic about giving the government more money than you have to so they can just waste it. And of course, you are wrong about the minimum wage. Raising it will cost jobs at the bottom but will not impact the bottom line or CEOs. But if I could get a big mac stacked a little straighter than the leaning tower of pisa, I wouldn't mind raising it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM
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    fair share,

    Mark my words!

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 4:12 PM
  • *

    I am going to stop here and take the wife out to dinner. I'll be back later with MORE.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 4:21 PM
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    Yes the Plantation Owners paid for the slaves so they would have laborers to work in their plantations. Without the slaves their plantations would go broke, so they had to fight to keep their workers and plantations.

    These blacks started out as indentured servants who would work for 4-7 years then became free. They couldn't work for 7 years and started escaping and not serving their legal time as indentured servants. A lot of these indentured servants were voluntary workers who wanted to come to America. Some were forced and some sold for money to live on. Their own black race sold or gave them away to the traders. Paint them with your brush.

    Roots, was and still is a RACIST STORY! It is about innocent black people or all backgrounds and little to no education at all being bought, sold or given away as indentured servants. Between 1500 and 1900 625,000 blacks were brought to America, not including the Territories, as indentured servants and later, slaves.

    There would not be any blacks to tell the story of Roots if they were not brought to America and the rest of the world. Over half of the blacks in Africa are Muslims and there are still several Tribes existing. In my lifetime I have seen stories and videos of black tribes half dressed with naked women with babies hanging from their otters. People dying from starvation and a lack of safe water to drink. What have they done with their lives all these years. What paint brush will you use on these blacks?

    The BLACK Muslim Terrorists kidnap small school girls and kill, sell them as sex slaves or take them as wives to grown fighters (animals). What has anyone done to recover these girls besides Michelle Obama saying bring our girls back. And the paint brush just keeps on getting wider.

    Now in spite of all this, I have learned over the years to love the black race. I feel their hurt, their oppression, their joy, and their hatred. However there are some blacks that I will never have any use for, just like there are many whites I have no use for.

    I can be just as good to you or anyone as they will let me be. Turn on me and that love is destroyed, not for everyone, but for those who offend. This very mean ol heart of mine breaks with every black child I hear who got shot down by a drive by shooter, or a black man who is gun down by anyone, cop or another person when no crime calls for that kind of punishment. I cry when I see a black woman's child die needlessly when they didn't deserve it. I cry when I see a cop or anyone shot for no good reason, or anyone and mainly when they plead for their life.

    But I do not condone Black Lives Matter taking the law into their own hands or telling blacks to kill cops. Nor the KKK killing blacks.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 7:55 PM
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    So Trump wasn't really smart at all. It was just his accountant who did his books that saved him all that tax money uh? Then, why are you screaming about something that Trump did. Now you say it was all his accountants doing!

    So then actually, when you say Trumps followers think it was patriotic, but it was selfish, you really mean his followers should think Trump's accountant was selfish and not patriotic?

    If Trump's accountant did all this, why should Trump be called a liar and feel bad when his accountant made trump look good.

    Let me add here, that when Trump said I guess that makes me smart, he was right. He was smart to save all that tax money.

    Hillary asked, "If that makes Trump smart, what does that make the rest of us?" I have to answer with "brain dead".

    50 % of Americans do not pay taxes! So how does anyone think that the taxes goes to paying all those things people dream up out of their little pea brains. Your taxes go towards the INTEREST on the debt. $20 Trillion and the interests would be???? No way!

    There are no laws on the books that says anyone has to pay taxes that isn't made liable for the tax. Federal Tax is Federal and only applies in Federal Territories unless...you will have to look it up!

    What kind of an accountant did Trump have that allowed Trump to run his companies into bankruptcy? Wouldn't that be one of the jobs for his accountant?

    You said Trump lost 916 million dollars when everyone else was making money under Bill Clinton! Did you stop to think that maybe the accountant knew what was coming and used that 916 million dollars to save trump millions on his taxes for several years afterwards. Remember Trumps accountant saved him on his taxes. He claimed the 916 million dollar loss to exempt him from taxes for several years.

    Sounds like a very smart move for a business man.

    So yes! Trump and his accountant and his Generals will make a great team in running this country the way it should be run.

    Now you need to get your fact book out and check this out! The United States has been Bankrupt every since 1933. Has any president settled this bankruptcy? I don't think so. Our latest President has spent more money than all the other Presidents put together. Hillary helped to spend all that money on foolishness and helping terrorists.

    At his worst, Trump could not hurt this country any where near as much as Obama has in 7 years. Trump won't be aiding our enemy like Obama and Hillary was been doing for 7 years.

    Trumps insults? I don't remember just what Trump said to them at first, but the Father held a copy of our constitution up in Trumps face and trying to humiliate him for Hillary's sake. I would have jumped down that man's throat if he done that to me. Trump was disrespectful to the wife but not that horrible in my book.

    Miss Universe was a self destruct. She was encouraged by Hillary to speak out. Megan Kelly had her on her show and made a fool out of Miss Universe's lies. She was Anorexia at the time this was going on, so why would Trump be calling her Miss Piggy if she was skinny? Makes no sense unless you realize this was something Hillary came up with.

    Hispanics; Trump said a lot of the illegal immigrants were Mexican rapists, murderers, thieves, etc. He was accurate and not lying. Many of them did just that after they were here and deported and returned to kill, murder and rape. Trump also said he loved Mexicans and has worked with many of them and given many Mexicans jobs. These Mexicans who are here legally will want Trump to stop the illegal Mexicans. After those remarks, it would be questionable if you got a Mexican Judge who wouldn't be Bias against him.

    What did Trump say about disabled people?

    Vets are one of Trumps top concerns. When Trump spoke to the Vets about Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, he recognized that some soldiers came home who could cope with what they say and did in the war. He also said many of the soldiers could not handle that kind of mental torture. Posttraumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is a serious potentially debilitating condition that can occur in people who have experienced or witnessed a natural disaster, serious accident, terrorist incident, sudden death of a loved one, war, violent personal assault such as rape, or other life-threatening events. Research has recently shown that PTSD among military personnel may be a physical brain injury, specifically of damaged tissue, caused by blasts during combat. Women are twice as likely to develope the disorder as men.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 9:11 PM
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    I am only going to say this once!

    Hillary Clinton spent the last several months bragging about helping the women. She wants to raise the minimum wage up for blacks and wome. She wants to give women the same pay as men. She is backing the Black race. She wants to pay the college loans off for college students. She wants to bring in more Syrian refugees into our country without proper vetting and give them education, food stamps, work permits, and places to live. She is helping the Muslims settle in Muslim communities under Sharia law. She wants to keep the illegal Mexicans in America and feed them house them and give them work permits and help them all become citizens without departing the illegals.

    Hillary runs for President. She has her National Democratic Party stack the deck against Bernie Sanders and steal the election and hires Debbie Wasserman to work in her campaign when she got fired from the DNC Chair.

    She encouraged Riots at Trumps Rallies by looking to the Black Lives Matter Org., so she can claim Trump is a Racist and Nazi.

    Then, Out of all the Mexicans she has promised to help, Muslims she wants to come into our country, Blacks, that she stands behind, who want to Kill Cops and now any white man they want to, and all the women she claims she wants to help and make their lives easier and more profitable, by becoming the first U.S. President so they can all look up to her as an inspiration for them becoming a woman President some day...

    What does she do?

    She chooses a White Supremacist man to run as her Vice President!

    No woman was asked, no Mexican, No Muslim, and no Black, and no Syrian.

    She chose just another "WHITE MAN" to share the white house with her. Why all the talk about helping Women? What about the place in Hell where women go that don't help women?

    She is so just a liar!

    As a woman, you have to be thinking, well I knew I wasn't good enough to be the U.S. Vice President but ...

    why would she choose a white man over all the people she was dedicated to helping. And why a man of all things?

    Doesn't that make you feel like running right out and signing up to be the next U.S. President? Doesn't that push your buttons to become successful to make something great out of your life, so you can ask a man to be your running mate?

    I would have thought she would have at least wanted a woman in office with her. She is probably tired of all the women in her life and wanted a change. Maybe she couldn't think of any women that Bill wouldn't take in his private white house bedroom.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Oct 5, 2016, at 10:00 PM
  • And....there you have it folks. Your basic, run of the mill Trump supporter in a nutshell. ( no pun intended )

    That's what scares me more than anything.

    I'm pretty sure Clinton will win the election by a large margin.

    But that doesn't change the fact that these people are still out there. Walking the streets among us.

    And they are nuts.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 8:44 AM
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    Sui, that place in Hell you speak of is a special place. Slick hilly may not have a female running mate, but if she wins you can bet there will be women in the oval office. Maybe not exactly like when slick willy was there but slick hilly will have her needs taken care of.

    RV, I see so many people out there walking around among us that either can't or won't see how dangerous slick hilly is. That is what scares me.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 9:26 AM
  • Where is the proof about Hillary and women other than from( scorned woman) Jennifer Flowers?

    Trump said at the debate he will support Hillary if she wins,now he is already backtracking on this. He lies while looking at himself on video lying.Everything is rigged when it is not in his favor.If Hillary wins by a landslide he will still want a recount.He is not capable of understanding what losing means.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 11:55 AM
  • Sui why do you refer to Blacks as if they are not Americans?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 11:59 AM
  • BTW what happened to the big WikiLeaks story from Assange that was suppose to come out about Clinton on Wednesday?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 12:11 PM
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    ANYONE who watches the News and can't see what Hillary Rodham Clinton is doing IS NUTS!

    I know Hillary has served enough years in the political Arena that she SHOULD be the best Qualified woman to run for President, but with her outstanding record of accomplishing nothing to the good should show everyone what kind of woman she is. She is a no gooder.

    She loves Obama's Treasonous ways that she wants to continue in his shoes when he leaves office.

    Doesn't that mean anything to YOU?

    Obama didn't kill Bin Laden. The CIA had all the details and the generals had the plan. All Obama had to do was okay it. Obama okayed the covert action, but if it failed he wasn't taken the blame for it. Some President, huh?

    He didn't waste any time claiming credit for that and still does to this day. What was the big deal, Bin Laden was replaced the next day and life went on. Even Hillary takes her share of the credit as a political figure.

    Way won't they stand up and claim the credit for the Benghazi killings that they done nothing to prevent nor stop. They just made up lies to hide what they were doing that night, smuggling arms from Libya to Syrian rebel forces that Putin finally told Obama to stay out of.

    Obama has invited hundreds of thousands of aliens into our country and Hillary said she was going to do the same and is NOT Going to Deport anyone.

    Are those what she stands for and working on or are these just her campaign promises that she will never keep.

    Obama helped the jobless rate by dividing the hours in half to part time workers making twice as many employed people working half a day. He also increased the jobs by creating more government jobs increasing the size of Government against everyones wishes.

    He gave so much money to the auto industry bailing them out that he could have given all the workers a million dollars each, which would have helped the economy more.

    The Auto Industry sucks. They make autos that stop working properly in about 10 years. All the safety feature become death traps and they keep on building them the same way. Head lights shine in your eyes while you are driving because the mounted the head lights at windshield level because they wanted to make all their new vehicles BIGGER and TALLER Vehicles that can crush any smaller auto. If you drive an average vehicle you can't see around them or through them to back out of a parking space. You put your life in your own hands if you don't buy a bigger and taller tank.

    Sorry for that outburst! Had to get it off my chest. Tired of head lights shining in my eyes as I am waiting for my wife to finish shopping. Yes their headlights stay on long after they lock their vehicles and walk away.

    I wished I had an electronic device that would blow the headlights out of their sockets while I am just sitting in my car. Now that would sure be inconvenient for them when they came back to go home, but might save my eyesight for a few more years.

    For you idiots, think about it if you can. If a president gets carried away he can be assassinated just like JF Kennedy was, or impeached unless he is black or a woman in which case the congress is too scared to touch an impeachment for fear of being called racist or womanizing and becoming a Tar Baby!

    Oh one last thing!

    There are more things created and invented by Nuts than by geniuses. A Genius tells you that won't work. A nut makes it work. And when you really look at the two, they are both nuts!

    A person who is nuts will tell you he isn't nuts and a person who isn't nuts will tell you he is nuts. Try that on for size,(no pun intended).

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Oct 6, 2016, at 12:33 PM
  • FBI agents are blasting Comey for his very obvious bias/ineptitude in handling the Hillary email case


    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 7:11 AM
  • The New York Post, Quite Mike?


    I suppose I would not have known the difference if I had not lived in NYC, but the Post is not a legitimate source of information... It more resembles the National Enquirer than a newspaper.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 8:21 AM
  • National enquirer huh?

    Why not just plainly say the democrats told you not to trust the post anymore?


    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 4:28 PM
  • Quite Mike, I lived there. Got it free for a year. I have read it. It is what it is. There is a market for that..... And it is not all junk. You can count on the sports scores being right.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 6:48 PM
  • Republicans have finally got the October surprise they have been waiting and it was not about Hillary. Donald Trump is a pervert. It is over for him. Republicans who stand with him are consenting to his behavior.

    His followers always say he speaks from the heart.This is just the beginning,wait until NBC tapes made backstage during his TV show are leaked. What he said about his compulsion to kiss beautiful women is the same thing he said about his own daughter.His "if anyone was offended apology" will not cut it.If he wins he thinks he can have anybodys wife,mother or daughter when ever he wants and there is nothing can be done about it.His followers will probably think that is ok as long as he builds that wall,which wont happen.Then what can you expect from those who still think the south won the war.

    Today he said immigrants can come to America today and vote tomorrow,which is a lie.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 10:00 PM
  • Then this GAM had the nerve to say,like a kid at school on the playground,Bill Clinton said worse things to me when we played golf,give me a break.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 10:08 PM
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    Lbr?, it pains me to admit it, but you are absolutely right. The illegals that came here today can't vote tomorrow. They have to wait like everyone else til next month. Or at least until early voting starts. Everyone in the country knows Trump says bad words and likes women. What shocks me is the language coming out of your mouth. Don't you know in this day and age words mean things and can be hurtful? They even have special places now called safe spaces to protect people from bullies like you. "Pervert" is a very strong and hurtful word. But I have to wonder who the pervert is. The guy that likes women? Or the one thinking it is perverted for a guy to like women?

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 10:37 PM
  • What Trump said, and has already apologized for, is nowhere near as bad as Hillary defending two sexual predators and laughing about one.

    I'm far less bothered by what Trump has said vs. what Hillary has done.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 2:40 AM
  • The republicans are getting just what they deserve.They let Trump get this far,put him on a pedestal and consented to his demagoguery rhetoric. Now they have a candidate who knows nothing about world affairs,thinks it's ok to grope women and fire them if they object,thinks pregnant women have no place in the work place,talks about his own daughter and her friends as being hot( at one time when one of them was only 12 years old),does not pay taxes,refused to rent to minorities, and I can go on and on.He tried to force a married woman to have an affair a few months after he married his third wife.

    This is how he will govern if elected.This man called for the Central Park 5 teenagers to be excuted even after DNA exonerated them.Why are evangelicals still supporting this man?

    Paul Ryan said he was sickened by what Trump said,but not to sick to vote for him.Silence means consent.

    And yes quitemike anyone who sexually assaults women,grabs them by,as he says" their p****" and looks at 12 year olds as sex objects is a pervert.Anyone who looks at their own daughter and states"isn't she beautiful I would like to tap that" is a pervert.

    Does this mean that family values are not important to Christian conservatives anymore?

    I understand that there are more videos to come that are worse for Trump.

    Then he says he respect women after calling a lawyer and breastfeeding mom "disgusting" after she requested a break to pump.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 11:37 AM
  • True Christians would be bothered by what Trump says and does.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 11:40 AM
  • A true Christian is about forgiveness after confession and repentance.

    It's humerously ironic that liberals think Hillary should win because Trump is too much like Bill.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 2:28 PM
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    True Christians are more bothered by what slick hilly has been doing the past 30 years. Is it the common core math that makes some people think some others should pay more taxes than they owe?

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 5:02 PM
  • Trump can not change who he is.The ones that keep defending Trump and think he should be forgiven does not think the same goes for Bill.It is not just what he said it is also what he did to women. That was a lame apology he read off paper.He never apologized to his wife or the married woman he tried to force himself upon.He is sorry he got caught.I don't think there is anything Trump could do that would change his followers mind.Some of them are saying this happened 11 years ago,but it does not matter to them that Bill's was 20 years ago.

    When lawsuits and video of contestants from The Apprentice come out that will be recent evidence that Trump is still Trump.

    I hope Trump does not step down ,he is a gift to Democrats.He is the GOP's Jim Jones He will cost them the senate,house and the white house.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM
  • Bill Clinton actually engages in sex with an employee 27 years his junior in the Oval Office while he was married and POTUS, and then wags his finger at the American people and lies about it = A private personal matter that is nobody else's business.

    Donald Trump privately discusses his failed attempt as a private citizen to have sex with a TV celebrity who was 20 years his junior = Total personal disqualification from ever being elected President.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 8:34 PM
  • Trump can not change who he is.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 8, 2016, at 7:59 PM

    True Christians know that the bible gave many examples of God choosing people with a "colorful" past to do his work.

    David had an affair. Paul and Moses committed murder.

    God changed the heart of all these and many more.

    A true Christian knows this is the entire point of Christianity.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 8:43 AM
  • And Donald Trump cheated on his first wife with the woman who would be his second wife. Then he cheated on her with the woman who became his third wife.

    Now he's caught on tape admitting that while married to his third wife, he was trying to cheat on her with another married woman.


    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM
  • "Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other one thing." -Abraham Lincoln

    "Honest conviction is my courage; the Constitution is my guide." -Andrew Johnson

    "We must dare to be great; and we must realize that greatness is the fruit of toil and sacrifice and high courage." -Teddy Roosevelt

    "Life is never easy. There is work to be done and obligations to be met - obligations to truth, to justice, and to liberty." -J.F.K.

    "Grab them by the p***y." -Donald Trump

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 12:40 PM
  • "If I don't have sex everyday, I get a headache" - JFK

    "Have a cigar?"-Bill Clinton

    Remember, Trump was a registered democrat when he made his remarks.

    Seems to be a common theme among democrats, especially considering the only freedoms they care about are related to their crotch.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 3:18 PM
  • Mike, you remind me of the musicians aboard the Titanic that continued to play as the ship sank.

    Your dedication to defend Trumps indefensible actions are admirable, I guess.

    Good luck, I don't see it getting any easier.

    I don't know if there will even be anything left of the Republican Party after this meltdown.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 3:48 PM
  • I said it was shaping up to be the most entertaining election in my lifetime, and it has not disappointed. Frankly, I am surprised at the response to the video/audiotape. All it is, is juvenile boasting that you could hear in any Jr High School locker room. I don't see where it would cost him a single vote. Anyone who has accepted (or even embraced) his childish behavior up to this point is scarcely going to be dissuaded by one more example. I think it just was the excuse the rational Republicans were awaiting to sever their ties before he brings down the entire party. Trumps core supporters are loud, but until they start deciding elections with a decibel meter, hardly a majority.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Oct 9, 2016, at 6:12 PM
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    Happy Columbus Day everyone. And before some of you go all bat-spit about my admiration for C C, I have one question. Don't you think some of the Indians wish now that back then they had controlled their borders? Something to think about.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 12:16 AM
  • Rocket

    You remind me of most democrats.

    Ignorant of history and oblivious to your hypocrisy. Willing to overlook ANYTHING "your guy" does, but attacking the "other guy" for doing something similar, but still not as bad.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 4:22 AM
  • The campaign officials,who are nonpartisan,refused to go along with Trumps plan to have Bill's accusers in his family box last night.There is not a room big enough to hold Trumps accusers.He is using these women to his advantage to gain votes.These are the same women he has trashed in the past.Some comments he has made in the past were"losers and a very unattractive bunch" about these women.But since he paid some of them money that speaks for itself.

    What about Trumps stamina last night.He leaned on a chair,breathed hard,made angry red faces and sniffed every time he lied. I bet he had another bad mic.He is having bad luck with mics these days. Why was he creeping up behind Hillary?He was pacing like an animal hemmed up in a cage.

    So if he wins he is going to jail people for their political views,thats what dictators do in other countries.This should scare the heck out of Americans.

    It is just a matter of time before the Apprentice tapes are leaked.The contestants from that show states they are even worse than the one with Billy Bush.

    RV is right Trump will be remembered for"Grab them by the p***y" forever.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 1:09 PM
  • Happy Indigenous Peoples Day.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 1:26 PM
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    If the Indians want a day, they need to get a different one. This one is already taken. The post office and banks are not closed for Elizabeth Warren and her kin. They are closed in honor of Christopher Columbus.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 3:51 PM
  • Why do anyone celebrate Colombus day without knowing the true history of his legacy. He was a evil murderer and rapist.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 5:43 PM
  • Not being argumentative but how do we know the "true" history. It is being re-written, or omitted with every "history" book published.

    We see from today's "history" taking place as we speak that the version depends more on the inclination of the writers than facts, so I doubt we have an accurate history of the late 1400's.

    To me, Columbus Day is more about celebrating the explorer spirit than just Columbus.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Oct 10, 2016, at 7:06 PM
  • I am amazed that all of you attacking Bill for his history, have not had a word to say about Mrs Trumps nude smutt modeling, there aRE even pictures of her in sexual situations with other women.... yep she was acting like a lesbian...Do you want a bisexual porn star as your first lady LOL......hypocrites !!!!!I guess to you folks she welcome as long as the chef doesn't have to bake her a cake......

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Oct 17, 2016, at 9:45 PM
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    Wandering high, I don't think sick hilly was acting when she was smutting around with Yoko Ono.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 11:52 AM
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