Bedford Ramblings
Steve Mills

A non-political question, brought up by today's politics.

Posted Monday, October 17, 2016, at 8:58 AM
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  • WHile the locker room talk was offensive, what bothered me the most is Trumps bragging about doing what he wants, not taking to account if the woman wants to or not. I find it even more offensive that he brags that he can get away with it because he is rich. Yes Clinton was wrong ( and it lost him my vote), but he was held accountable, the country faced him and called him out on his nasty behavior. And for the most part those who were the most vocal are the ones who are not only giving Trump a free pass but making excuses for him.They are even ignoring the rape trial he is scheduled for in December. he complains that he is being picked on, yet day after day out does the crazy train from the day before, which seems to be his way of proving his statement that he could shoot someone and his followers would not care.

    Steve you said that because people are less modest and more openly sexual these days that it excuses his actions, but should the PResident be held to the highest behavior? Shouldn't they set the example we want our children to follow and strive to achieve when they are grown? Yes I know Hillary has a lot of baggage too, but your post here was about the way women are viewed and treated and she has been extreamly respectful towards both men and women and has set a great example of modesty and behavior.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Oct 17, 2016, at 9:19 PM
  • Wonderwhy, you read something into my statement. I did NOT say or mean to imply that Today's morals should excuse Trump's actions.

    I was asking why the press and people in general are so surprised or offended when men act this way. Advertisers, tv censors and women's styles stimulate men's sex drive but then claim such surprise and disdain when they respond.

    Yes, men can and should control themselves, but it would help if women and society did too. Bulls have a tend to to charge the color red. Don't flash them with red and expect them to just stand there.

    So to re-cap, I used the political example because of what is in the news today but I really am making a comment about our society. Action that was considered soft-porn in my younger days is totally acceptable now in general public viewing.

    Yet, we are surprised, and shocked when it brings out the male response.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 18, 2016, at 5:38 AM
  • My 12 year old nieces came home from school last week and stated boys at school were saying lets go grab someone by the p***y.Our children are listening.Trump thinks the media is unfair when they play his own words back out of his own mouth.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Oct 18, 2016, at 3:17 PM
  • I look at women and the more tight or revealing outfits do catch my eye quicker. However, I do not say anything and I try not to stare. Just a few quick glances and then get on with my life and leave them to theirs.

    So while I'm not shocked when some men take it farther and make comments or molest women, I am angry and I want those men to grow up and learn discretion and respect.

    I don't care if nude models are everywhere just as you say Victorias Secret ads are, I am in control of my behavior, not advertisements or the fashion and culture around me.

    In other words, this bull doesn't have a tendency to charge at the color red. This bulls sees the red, appreciates it, and walks away, keeping his thoughts to himself.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Tue, Oct 18, 2016, at 3:25 PM
  • LBR, I am not surprised the school kids listen nor that some act the way you mentioned. Can you imagine our news covering it so explicitly 40 years ago?

    Can you image what most parents would have done when they found out their sons said that? But are you surprised if they go unpunished now? And what punishment would the politically correct allow?

    ClarkDV that is why I said "Most men have evolved past that". Just thought I would refresh your memory.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 18, 2016, at 4:43 PM
  • There is video of Miley Cyrus encouraging fans to grab her, and them obliging her, then she has the audacity to speak out about Trump's statement.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Oct 18, 2016, at 8:48 PM
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    Steve, I think this is a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Some (most?) of the women that dress like sluts are trying to get a reaction. If you don't react--bad. If you do react--bad. Can anyone honestly claim a thong is comfortable? I wonder how many 12 year olds are at school right now deleting emails and smashing their phones? And where is(are) the parent(s) when the kids are learning this stuff? Are they getting it from the NEA? One last point Steve--bulls care nothing one way or the other about the color red. They respond to the motion of the cape.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:19 PM
  • Color blind? Say it isn't so. After all these years of wearing red.

    Oh well, you git my point anyway. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM
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    I don't think they are color blind but if the red isn't moving, they don't react. And if the moving cape was a different color they would react the same. Somehow red became the traditional color. I think because blood is red.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 1:01 PM
  • Hate to walk across a minefield but here goes.......

    Sex sells......Are you saying only women are in charge of advertising? Are you saying that only women are responsible for ED and Condom advertising ? These items are being sold to men the last time I checked......Viagra is sold by prescription to men and only men. Where are all the women running these companies, making decisions and earning all the money ? Is it the woman's responsibility because she appears in the ad ?

    Females ( Particularly those with lower self-esteem ) follow the media. They want to be wanted and the media tells them how to dress and behave to be wanted......Yes...Miley Cyrus is one of these.They are bombarded with feelings of inadequacy if they aren't 10's and " don't measure up "......Trump said it himself......In fact he says it often......Too often......

    I am always amazed every year how much lower the cleavage is on females in TV shows.....I question how much skin women have to show when their male counterparts are able to stay warm with shirts and jackets..You know...An adequate amount of clothing....I always take a sweater to the supermarket and restaurants which are kept too cold for me and so the amount of " skin " a woman has to bare on TV has been a noticeable issue. Do you think women are responsible for this " cleavage " issue ? Not from what I have read written by women who have to oblige to keep their jobs....Is this for the female viewer ? Do you think the female is the only one responsible for this issue......

    I hope not...Because that is what it sounds like......

    I am reminded of a young girl about 8 years old I saw standing by a fountain in a mall shortly before Halloween years ago who said she was going Trick or Treating dressed as a Playboy Bunny to make her father happy....

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 3:53 PM
  • Steve,

    That's a cop-out, to blame the PC for lack of parenting. The politically correct have nothing to say about how you discipline your children, unless that "discipline" becomes physical abuse.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 4:46 PM
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    Pallid Roam, it sounds like you feel sorry for the women who choose to show off their bodies. It also sounds like you think women don't take viagra. The ones whose lives depends on taking it would probably disagree with you.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 6:45 PM
  • Fair Share.......Obviously you missed the point about " a woman's lack of choice "......I am compassionate about the situation......If you would like me to explain it again I am happy to do so.....

    As for Viagra.....I ran a physicians office for over six years and the only patients asking for RX's for Viagra were men....And any " lives depending on it " would certainly be way beyond normal prescription...

    I don't believe we are here to discuss the " exceptions " Exceptions are used to get " off point " when running out of legitimate explanations.......I prefer to stay " on point " and discuss why sex is used to sell products and used against women after the products are sold.......

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 7:27 PM
  • Palindrome, no mine field from me because I did not mean nor mean to imply that women are to blame except that they belong to our society. Our current society IS to blame though.

    We allow this degradation of morals to take place and then seem surprised, shocked when they see the results. Men and women are to blame for not speaking up and saying to advertisers/media/society that they have gone too far in their acceptance of provocative ads, extremely immoral shows that promote all types of extreme behavior, etc.

    By the way, men star in provocative ads as well. Skimpy, tight swimsuits helping a woman out of her bathing suit for fragrance sales comes to mind.

    I've never thought of myself as a prude or a holy roller but today's society makes me look like it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 8:12 PM
  • ClarkDV you really think PC does not get involved in our raising and disciplining of our children? I am a little amazed, but we are all free to believe what we want.

    Maybe your and my definition of PC is the issue. I am sure some punishment is a disguise for abuse and I do not condone abuse, but who defines that line?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 8:20 PM
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    Palindrome, I understand your compassion for the factors a woman considers when making her choices. Plenty of women (the smart ones) buy condoms since they can't always count on the guy. And there are plenty of men and women who take viagra for pulmonary artery hypertension. The reason why sex is used to sell is because it works. Always has. Always will. I'm not sure how sex is used against women after the sale.

    Steve, your implication at the end of your initial post that women are as bad as men reminds me of a superbowl commercial years ago. A couple of housewife types were looking out of the apartment window ogling a hot/sweaty construction worker with no shirt on. He was chugging a coke.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 11:13 PM
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    If I had come home talking like your 12 year old nieces, My mouth would have been washed out with a bar of hand soap.

    Trump has a beautiful wife, so a woman would have to be a #10 to get his eye, but to make him act on it, she would have to be much better looking than a 10.

    One of trumps accusers claimed Trump slid his hand under her skirt at a restaurant and touched her ****** "thru" her panties. Did she wear panties with holes in them for her dinner date? Anyway, If Trump touched her ******, she would have had to spread her legs wide open in the sitting position for Trump or anyone to touch her there. I think she lied or she is a real slut.

    Trump jumped Megan Kelly at an earlier nomination debate and called her a name. No sure what he called her now. She made a National event out of it on her live National TV Fox News Show.

    Here's the thing; Megan was contacted by 2 or 3 leading magazines and was placed on the cover of all of them. What was the first thing they did? They gave Megan a make-over. Why? was she not pretty enough to be on the cover of the magazines? No she wasn't! Did that offend Megan Kelly? Hell no, she ate it up. Even I noticed just how much more beautiful she looked after that day. She maintains her beautiful looks, so Trump did her a favor, but does she give Trump any credit? I don't think so. Some Women just don't appreciate anything.

    Tonight, Megan Kelly slammed Trump after the debate. Now why do women think it's okay to slam men but find it a crime if a man says something about their looks? Isn't that two faced? Yes it is. She is hard on Trump for what he said about women, yet she wears the sexiest clothes they will dress her up in. And she does, like all the other women on Fox News, wears a dress so short that they all have to keep their legs crossed at all times. Then they want to slam a man because he is looking?

    I must be a dirty old man because I love to look at beautiful things, women included. At my age I know no woman has any use for me so I don't flirt with them but some of them you have to look twice because it looks like their boobs may slip out at in the twinkle of my eye.

    So it just happens to be true that women are just as horny and aggressive as men are, but we call them slutty, because that is the word women use, slutty! If everyone is judged by their sexual thoughts, then they may be able to arrest you for what you are thinking in the near future.

    Forgive me if your little children are reading this. Sit down and talk to a 12 year old child and you will be amazed at what you learn. They are doing it more than their brain dead parents.

    One last remark:

    I listened to the tape of trump speaking to his friend on the bus. I honestly couldn't make out much or anything he said because the words were all blanked out of beeped out. Then the laughter afterwards sounded exactly like Megan Kelly's laughter to me as she was watching it. So the only thing they could do was print out some of the words trump was saying. Of course, Megan came up with her own word for it. "The P-word" she called it.

    So now, where did LBR's Nieces hear some boys saying, "lets go grab someone by the p***y"? Sounds like these boys are worst than Trump! They had to have heard that line from... yes you guessed it... the news Media! The News Media repeated the words or spelled them out for all the little boys and girls to hear or read. So now I have to say, the News Media needs to apologies to all the little boys and girls in the USA!

    You think that is going to happen? Nope, but they will keep talking about Trump saying SOMETHING!

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 1:02 AM
  • Well the 5 year old dictator has spoken," I will except the election,if I win".He claims to care so much about the will of the people but will not accept their voice if he lose.So in other words he thinks the election is rigged if he lose,but not if he wins.He will not be man enough if Hillary wins and keep whinning.

    Trump stated last night that he never apologized to his wife because he never did anything.What about what he said on video? In the mean time victum number 10 has come forward.The same people that believed this about Bill Clinton and Cosby refuse to think it is possible with Trump,even after hearing him say it.

    Last night he was sniffing,agitated,fumbling with the microphone and constantly drinking water.He did not look well.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 5:08 PM
  • Yeah a democrat would NEVER challenge the results of the election. It's not like Gore took the issue to the Supreme Court in 2000 or anything.

    Dems know that Bernie was shafted in the primaries to such a degree that the DNC chair stepped down, but they have faux indignation over someone suggesting the system is rigged.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Oct 21, 2016, at 2:39 PM
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    It's like I said. Trump is too smart for most of you brain dead democrats. He has a God given right to ask for a recount if he chooses to, so why would he give that right away before he has a need to use it.

    Look at what the other candidates done to Trump after they promised to stand with any one who won the nominee for the presidency.

    Why should Trump be stupid enough to fall for that again?

    I see Russia has hacked about everyone of Hillary's email and the DNC's email accounts. That proves to me that Hillary has given everything on her server to Russia, and tries to blame Trump of ordering Putin to do it. Boy if that isn't stupid and you can't fix stupid!

    Hillary did call it right today when she said the word Treason. Only she was saying it about the wrong person. She and Obama are the ones to be charged with Treason.

    quietmike, since Debbie Wasserman is a democrat, she could step down instead of being charged with Voter Fraud and Rigging the election against Bernie, but Bernie doesn't care. Look at what he did. He got shafted by Hillary and now he is campaigning for her. Amazing what those democrats will do out of stupidity!

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Oct 21, 2016, at 7:19 PM
  • What Trump is doing in no way compares to what Gore did.The 2000 election was the closest in history.One state FL's margin of victory triggered a mandatory recount.Litigations in select counties started additional recounts and this reached the Supreme Court.Their decision was 5/4 announced on Dec 12 and ended the recount.Gore gave his concession speech like every normal grownup candidate does that lose.Gore protested after the election not 3 weeks before it like Trump.Gore did not whine and cry rigged to try and stir up a revolution. I heard a Trump follower say on TV that he would get rid of Hillary anyway he could if she wins. When asked if he meant physical harm his reply was"take it anyway you want".When Trump made the remark to a crowd that" 2nd amendment people would take care of Hillary" those weak minded ones were listened.He then pumps them up until they start chanting"lock her up and hang the b***h".I heard one follower say she prayed Trump wins,the God I serve is not into hate.

    Isn't it strange that only the DNC was hacked and Trump got the information,some of it doctored. That is why Trump will not admit this.Well 17 intelligence agencies stated Russia is behind the hack.

    Did anyone see Trumps mini temper tantrum when the last debate ended.Hillary went to greet the crowd and Trump remained at his podium ripping papers from his tablet and gritting his teeth then placed them in his pocket.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 21, 2016, at 8:40 PM
  • It is maddening how a statement from a press agency like "appears to suggest" is turned into a positive statement of fact. People want to hear and read what they want. Innuendos rule as fact.

    I went back to many of the statements made by Trump from numerous years back and the statements extrapolated by today's press sounds nothing like what was said in context. Even demeanor is nothing like it is portrayed by the majority of the press.

    I am sure it is being done by both sides so what use is it to watch anything but the actual tapes. Most news is not news, just disguised editorial and opinions.

    I truly don't know that much about Trump but I have seen/experienced Clinton throughout the years and feel confident in my opinion of her. It isn't good.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Oct 21, 2016, at 9:42 PM
  • It's a shame liberals show more concern over who got the emails, than the fact that those emails show very serious criminal conduct by their nominee.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 1:44 AM
  • LBR,

    I guess you (conveniently) forget Bernie supporters protesting the DNC convention also claiming a rigged system.

    From Tammany Hall to dead voters being registered in Virginia this election, dems have long been about cheating to win.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 1:55 AM
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    The burny supporters at the Democratic national convention were also chanting "lock her up ". In 1960 the dems stole the election for Kennedy thanks to all the dead people in Chicago who voted. And of course they are up to dirty politics again. It is understandable that the dems are upset with Russia. After all, those pesky Ruskies are interfering in a US election........by letting us know the dems are interfering with a US election! How dare they!!!

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 5:48 AM
  • Let's also remember that Al Gore actually got more votes than Bush. It was the first time in over 100 years that someone won the "popular vote", but still lost the election.

    But any talk of "voter fruad" or "rigged" elections will be a moot point this election due to how "bigly" Trump is poised to lose.

    Numbers are showing Trump could lose worse than Goldwater or McGovern. It's going to be ugly. So you can continue to blame a "liberal media" or "voter fruad" , but really all republicans have is a very, very flawed candidate

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 6:20 AM
  • Because two valued DNC employees, Foval and Creamer, were falsely accused on video of hiring thugs to incite violence at Trump rallies and how to rig elections, that one quit and the other was fired.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 7:27 AM
  • Simple point is - anyone who condemned Bill Clinton but are bowing to and supporting Trump are hypocrites. Lets not forget Trump has a trial date in December for the rape of a 13 year old girl...

    As for the girls asking for it because they dress like tramps, that just boils down to two wrongs don't make a right. No they should not dress like a street walker, but as humans we are supposed to be in control of ourselves. Every time some one says that she got what she did because of how she was dressed is saying that men are to stupid and weak to control their urges. SO it boils the question down to was she a bigger tramp or was he a bigger brainless heathen... and in the end ALWAYS using the woman as an excuse to excuse a man horrid actions is a cowardly cop out. She may be presenting herself in a bad manner ( her fault) but his behavior and actions are HIS FAULT (not hers , they do not have to react-they choose to) If he is too weak to control his reactions to hormones maybe he should get mental help to teach him how. Im not excusing the woman just not allowing men to use her bad behavior as an excuse for theirs. Republicans cry about personal responsibility well here is one place they forget what that is. (and yes all parties have people who are not good people, men that are pigs and women that are trampy... republicans are just ignoring their Trump is one of them)

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 12:30 PM
  • The registered dead voter is a problem with registration I am sure they will not show up at the poles.If anyone shows up with their ID I am sure no one will let a dead person vote.The poles are controlled by both parties.

    Fair share how does the media showing what comes out of Trump's mouth cause a rigged election?

    His "nasty woman" remark and attacking Michelle Obama really helped him with women LOL.

    His supporters keep saying they over look his bad behavior because he will save America.Have they looked at his bad business deals and all the lawsuits coming for cheating people out of their life savings and rape of a 13 year old? Are they as stupid as he says they are with this comment"I could stand in the middle of 5th ave and shoot someone and not lose voters".Meaning he has brainwashed them they are under his control.Jim Jones all over again,all that is missing is the koolaide.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 1:14 PM
  • Simple point is - anyone who condemned Bill Clinton but are bowing to and supporting Trump are hypocrites.


    Anyone who didn't condemn Bill, but now condemns Trump is a hypocrite.

    Sorry, but dems lowered the bar 20 years ago, so it's a bit late to try to claim the high ground now.

    Again, I would challenge any of the Liberal posters to name one accusation levied against Trump that wasn't already done by a democrat, yet democrst voters gave them a pass.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 1:35 PM
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    Lbr?, creamer, et all, constitutes the rigged election. You are getting harder to understand recently. If you ingested nonstandard kool-aid or some other toxic substances, please call 911. 🚑

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 2:04 PM
  • I can't believe Madonna made such an offer just to be sure Bill votes for his wife.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 3:58 PM
  • Steve,

    You're a grown man, correct? If so then you have the ability to ignore PC and make up your own mind about how you conduct yourself, as do all of us.

    If your beef is with how PC ideas are shaping people's behavior, then it would seem that you want to censor thoughts and ideas. Try this, instead of trying to stifle an idea, counter it with a different, better idea. And then step back and watch as the free market of ideas does its thing.

    Whining about PC does nothing but make you a whiner.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 2:55 PM
  • ClarkDV, your comment is demeaning and and therefore meant to belittle a person, not say anything constructive. Of course, this my opinion, which I believe you say we are all entitled.


    What do you think PC does but censor people's thoughts and actions. The way you bristle at the thought of criticizing it, you would think you coined the phrase and developed it yourself. If so, butt out of MY business.

    My "beef" as you put it is with people who DO adopt it and criticize other people. I think you would qualify.

    With your approach to discussing this, I believe this is my only comment to you about it, not matter how you try to bait me. Have a great day.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 4:39 PM
  • Steve,

    Your skin might be a tad too thin to participate in online comments sections if you feel demeaned and belittled by what I wrote. And if you really think I'm being abusive to you, have T-G ban me, it's their website, it's their prerogative to censor me, and there's not a darn thing wrong with that.

    I said a thing publicly, and I own it and will accept the feedback I get from it. See how that works, Steve? I'll not whine about not being able to say whatever I want because someone else might take offense and criticize me for my words.

    "What do you think PC does but censor people's thoughts and actions."

    It's impossible to censor someone's thoughts and actions in the public arena. To censor someone is to make them stop thinking or doing what they're thinking or doing. Criticizing someone for thinking or doing something is NOT censorship, it's voicing your opposing opinion.

    And right there seems to be the issue many have with PC. They want to be free to say anything they want WITHOUT CRITICISM. And that's just not going to happen, nor should it.

    When the police arrest you for your thoughts or words, then THAT'S censorship. When a TV personality is fired from a TV show for their words, THAT'S censorship, although there's nothing immoral about it because that TV station or show has every right to control the words that are said on their show.

    When a woman, even if she's wearing the tiniest bikini allowable by local laws, is in public wearing that, she has the right to feel safe and not be subjected to a bunch of knuckle-draggers who can't keep their thoughts to themselves.

    However, any of the knuckle-draggers who feel the need to make comments about the woman have every right to do it. But they should also be prepared for the good people within earshot, as well as the woman herself, to criticize their behavior.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 7:40 PM
  • Carl, I am starting to sound like you, but am starting to understand why you think it is important for people to identify themselves when they choose call names.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 9:07 PM
  • It's impossible to censor someone's thoughts and actions in the public arena. To censor someone is to make them stop thinking or doing what they're thinking or doing.

    When the police arrest you for your thoughts or words, then THAT'S censorship.



    "Killian and Moore will provide input on how civil rights can be violated by those who post inflammatory documents targeted at Muslims on social media.

    "This is an educational effort with civil rights laws as they play into freedom of religion and exercising freedom of religion," Killian told The News Monday. "This is also to inform the public what federal laws are in effect and what the consequences are."

    If it's impossible to censor someone's thoughts and actions in the public arena, explain the above story please.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 24, 2016, at 3:03 AM
  • Wonder what a "document" is considered to be? Is this post a document?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Oct 24, 2016, at 8:23 AM
  • Legally, usually, a document is any recorded (by any means) representation of thoughts.

    Yes these posts are documents.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Oct 24, 2016, at 11:15 AM
  • Steve, note ClarkDV said, "I said a thing publically, and I own it.....", but does he/she/it? How can anyone "own it" when one hides in the bushes and throws rocks at one of the very few people on these blogs with the courage to identify themselves and say what they think under their name?

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Mon, Oct 24, 2016, at 2:56 PM
  • Steve and CMC(he, she, it),

    Take a look at all the posters on this thread, how many of them have a first or last name? I have my last name as part of my handle, so if you want to consider that hiding in the bushes, so be it. By the way, I'm pretty sure that YOU show your full name because you HAVE to, per your T-G bosses and not because you choose to, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

    But I'll be damned if I'll use my full name on social media. You see, I'm not stupid, I've been online for awhile, and I know that there are unstable people out there who would love to come do harm to me and my family. So nice try, but I'm not biting.

    If you mean what you say, then have T-G change their comments policy and require everyone to login with their full names. And then, of course, you can watch these blog comments sections die very quickly, as most people aren't as stupid as you seem to want them to be.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 6:11 PM
  • quietmike,

    The civil rights and federal laws mentioned in that article are toothless. Again, one look at those voicing the loudest opposition to PC tells you all you need to know, because most of them are middle-aged white men.

    Fear that their power and majority position in our nation is slipping away has them terrified. (See McClanahan's blog for evidence of that.) Throw in some good old fashioned Puritanism (see Steve Mills's intro to this thread above for evidence of that) and you have a recipe for "old white man tantrum".

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 6:24 PM
  • ClarkDV, could you just speak your peace without the name calling, implying stupidity, etc.? Come on!

    I use my real name other places too. Started a blog on gardening and used an alias for two posts before I could not stand it anymore. BUT, you are right the T-G requires we use our name.

    I don't think that has made me more civil. I would not carry on that way anyway.

    I do not work for the T-G so I have no influence on changing their policies, nor do I think they will. You are right, most folks want their privacy and with posts like yours, can you blame them?

    I may make it an internal policy (mine) that I won't respond to posts with name calling for two reasons. It encourages more such actions and as you said, there ARE unstable people out there. Thanks for reminding me.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 6:33 PM
  • I'll take a middle-age name tag any time. Thanks.

    Puritanism? I see it as morals, decency and a dislike of others thinking they can dictate my actions.

    So far apart, unless this is just for the sake of stirring things up. I know a few folks like that.

    By the way, I did not violate my new "potential" policy since I do not think Puritanism and being called middle age qualify. Thanks again!

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 7:42 PM
  • Steve,

    I was responding mainly to Mac's bluster about how I don't have the guts to show my name, and how he and you are so brave for showing yours. I knew that TG makes you use your names and so Mac was full of beans, so I called him on it.

    My characterization of your Puritanism stems from your very first post, about how women are talking about ED and there are VS ads everywhere. That sounds like someone who has a very Puritanical character to me.

    You seem to suggest that any woman who dares to have a consensual adult conversation about sex shouldn't be surprised when she is subjected to offensive, immature, and often aggressive taunting and molestation.

    I don't see how you can make that connection at all and it smacks of the old "well, she got what she was asking for/deserved" mentality that was pervasive back in my grandfather's day.

    As for your thinly veiled suggestion that I might be one of the unstable ones. Remember this, it wasn't me who was decrying the anonymity available to us posters while you TG bloggers have to disclose your names. I don't care what your names are, nor do I care where you live, etc.

    I come here to make sure that the conversations aren't dominated by conservatives, as TG is a fairly conservative paper and Tennessee is a very conservative state. I'm a middle-aged white veteran and I plan to voice my opposition to outdated or immoral ideologies where ever I find them. But especially in my backyard because middle Tennessee has been my home my entire life.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Fri, Oct 28, 2016, at 3:29 PM
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    You say you are a middle-aged white veteran. I assume (but not convinced) you are also male. Amazing that you are yapping about PC, Puritanism, and morals while picking a fight with Steve. I only know Steve from these boards but don't expect him to hide in a safe space. But since you are part of the left that seems to like them, feel free to find yours. It's okay if you choose not to have morals; and it is okay for you to mock others for having them. That is the marvel of free speech. Which also lets people point out your idiocy of using PC to bully people into not using their right to free speech.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Oct 30, 2016, at 6:28 AM
  • Thanks for your comment fair share. I have been running the past few days and meant to respond to ClarkDV's last statement because it was reasonably stated. If it crosses a line again, I will just fall silent.

    ClarkDV, as many times as I say it, I don't think you want it to "see" that I do not condone violence towards women. If I am Puritanical, it is towards SOCIETY not a particular sex.

    I WOULD like to see a return to a more moral society. In the 70's I would not have thought we would be so open and accepting of things as we are today. My parents and apparently your grandparents may have been right, that our society's morals were crumbling fast.

    I would much rather that we treat the woman with respect, civility and manners, rather than exploit sex and violence at every turn. What surprises me is how those morals can suddenly resurface (hypocritically in my opinion) when society sees it come back to them.

    You somehow thought I was Suggesting YOU were one of the unstable ones? I would not surmise that from your most recent comment. We are opposed in ideas, but.....

    I do not mind nor discourage voices of opposition. I just like to be able to discuss those positions without the distraction of name calling. It equates to shouting, and our parents/grandparents probably agreed on what that implies as well.

    A quest to root out "outdated or immoral ideologies where ever I find them", makes me wonder, what do you feel IS modern and moral? Or, should we have an amoral society?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Oct 30, 2016, at 1:14 PM
  • fair share, I can't even parse what you wrote, please try again to form your thoughts into words and I'll take another look. Also, what the crap does it matter whether I'm male or female? And if you can't tell by the words I've typed then you're just not paying attention.


    You do know that every generation looks back and thinks that things were so much better in the "good old days", right? I don't do that. I think things are pretty darn good right now. Perfect? No, they're not. But they're so much better, for a lot of people, now than they were in the 70's.

    For example, I can't remember the last time I heard a n****r joke, and I'm glad of that. I haven't heard a dumb blonde joke, or a pollock joke in years either, and that's good too.

    Women are openly talking about sex, and not feeling like sex is something that they're just supposed to tolerate because their husband has "needs", which is exactly what my mother was taught.

    Sex is good and natural and needs to be discussed openly. And men need to learn to be able to be a part of that discussion without being the jerks that we so often are about it. And we need to learn that an open discussion about sex is NOT an invitation to say anything you **** well please to a woman.

    If you know the woman and she invites you to be explicit in your conversation that's one thing, and it needs to be an open invitation, otherwise men can and will go too far sometimes and that is not the woman's fault.

    One thing I learned recently that I'd never thought of that might make an impression with you. A woman was talking about unwanted comments on the street from men. She reminded us that most men are stronger than most women, and can easily overpower them, if they wanted to.

    Now imagine walking around in a world where most people can overpower you and do anything they want to do to you. And frequently some of those more powerful people like to taunt you and say demeaning things about you sexually.

    The average woman walking down the street can't tell by looking at a man who is leering at them or who has just made a sexual comment about them, whether or not that man is thinking of taking action on his thoughts and possibly harming that woman. All she knows is that he's stronger and he might be able to overpower her if he wants to.

    Imagine walking around in a world having to be wary of all male strangers like that.

    A friend pointed out something to me years ago that I'd never thought about. He reminded me that I'm a really big dude, 6'4" and over 400 pounds, and he said that sometimes when I'm having fun I can get loud and when I joke with some other guys that didn't know me, they sometimes wouldn't know whether I was joking with them or being aggressive. (I was always joking)

    He had to remind me that most places we went that I was the biggest guy in the place, and that that can be intimidating to some people.

    And I honestly had never thought about it. But of course, looking back, I can see it.

    So remember that when you think about how women feel every day, surrounded by us guys. Even an average 5'8" man can be seen as intimidating to most women. Now imagine that man staring at the woman a few seconds too long, or making a sexual comment and imagine that that woman might feel real fear.

    No matter what that man might have overheard her talking about and no matter what that woman is wearing, she shouldn't have to feel afraid of men, ever.

    Steve, your opening post on this thread makes it sound like the women are to blame for daring to talk openly about sex. Or that Victorias Secret is to blame for running sexy ads and getting us men who have no self control all revved up.

    If you didn't mean that I'd ask you to look again, with fresh eyes, at what you wrote. Because I'm a learned man, and I took your words that way.

    Things weren't that much better in the good old days. It just seems that way because we were kids then, and had no real responsibilities and had no care for the world and for politics and real dangers that we would learn about soon enough.

    In other words, be careful of those rose-colored glasses. They can distort reality.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Sun, Oct 30, 2016, at 10:37 PM
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    ClarkVD, it doesn't surprise me that you are struggling with what I wrote. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Doesn't matter a bit to me if you are a guy or a girl or something in between. And I know by the words you write you self-indentify as a male. And I did say that was my assumption. The reason I'm not totally convinced is sometimes you sound a little hormonal.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Oct 30, 2016, at 11:29 PM
  • Steve! fairshare is being mean to me!!!

    So, fs, you and Mac are similar in that when you don't like what someone is saying you resort to ad hominem attacks. And in both your cases it's to question my gender. That speaks volumes about the kinds of people you both are.

    What's most disturbing, however, is that you seem to think that a man would never defend women the way I have, that my passionate defense of women must mean I'm a female, or "something in between".

    I truly feel sorry for the women in your life.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Mon, Oct 31, 2016, at 5:06 PM
  • It is also belittling to a woman who has never before been reduced to the description of " hormonal "..... Thought that kind of thing died out in the fifties along with Sargent Friday and the other knuckle draggers.........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Mon, Oct 31, 2016, at 5:37 PM
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    Had I known my comments would result in such histrionic outbursts, I might have just kept quiet. But I guess the PC bullying didn't work this time. Sorry.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Nov 1, 2016, at 11:17 AM
  • Apology accepted, fairshare. Thanks for conceding that you were wrong in everything you said. It takes a big man to admit you were wrong. Have a great day.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Tue, Nov 1, 2016, at 2:32 PM
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    Think whatever you want to, Clark. I'm sure you are the bigger man. And I'm sure you always have a great day in your happy little world with your make believe conversations. If I felt an estrogen surge coming on, I would explain what I meant by "sorry". As it is, that would just be too tiresome.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 2, 2016, at 8:34 AM
  • Seriously now, fs, there's no need to grovel like you're doing. I SAID I accept your apology, now you're just embarrassing both of us. Get up off your knees, I forgive you, you were just wrong and you admitted it and begged my forgiveness, now stop beating yourself up and get on with life, OK, buddy?

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Wed, Nov 2, 2016, at 8:51 PM
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