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Steve Mills

The Day After. Strangely more interested in who lost than won.

Posted Wednesday, November 9, 2016, at 6:38 AM
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  • Glad it's over; said a prayer and went to work. I was up until 4am so it's going to be a long day...

    -- Posted by espoontoon on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 7:48 AM
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    I guess Rosie O'Donnell and several of her buddies are busy packing for their moves to Canada. They all must be racists since none of them threatened to move to Mexico. There is nothing better than the sound of liberals crying in the morning.

    Steve, in case you haven't heard yet, TRUMP WON! You can stick a fork in sick hilly---she is done. And to all of the haters, if you don't want to see America become great again, maybe you should stick a fork in your eyes so you won't have to see it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 10:17 AM
  • Wow! I was actually surprised as I think were many of the pundits and "talking heads".

    The big take-away for me is that despite what I saw as overwhelming media bias towards Hillary and against Trump, the American people saw through it and are fed up with the status quo.

    What I am hoping both the Republican and Democratic parties take away from this is that the American people are fed up with the status quo.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 11:01 AM
  • There must be a lot of Americans headed to Canada. So many people were accessing Canada's Immigration site that the server crashed! The reason the pundits and polls were wrong was that they never got into the rural areas. During an election year I usually get several poll calls: this year, nada. As for media bias, every news show that I saw always started off with Trump, and you can't buy that kind of advertising. Positive or negative, it was getting his message out to the people.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM
  • True, any exposure is considered good but it was often negative, while Clinton was positive. hope it starts changing. We NEED good news.

    Your polling comment is something I have been hearing from several sources today. I think the poll folks need to rethink their strategy. Rural America seems to have turned out. Maybe we are not so insignificant after all.

    Bedford County seems to have heavily favored Trump.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 3:18 PM
  • I am cautiously optimistic at this point. As I was at this same point in 2008.

    I expected Hillary to win, but I am not that surprised that she didn't. She is an obvious liar and corrupt. However, with the media bias I thought the cover-up and/or under reporting would make that less of a factor. Then, there is Trump, who is certainly no choir boy.

    Wikileaks and Julian Assange seemed to be the only critical voice out there exposing Hillary.

    Trump, on the other hand, will have a much more critical press to contend with. That is a good thing, not because of added advertising, but because he is more likely to be exposed for his misdeeds and corruption.

    Voter turnout was another issue that worked in Trumps favor. The turnout was lower than 2008 but, Trump was able to tap into a small portion of the silent majority as a political outsider.

    Basically. I think the Democrats shot themselves in the foot. They cheated Bernie Sanders out of the nomination,(who was the better candidate even though a socialist) selected the most libelous candidate, and., marginalized the biggest, most powerful, voting block (white working class) in the electorate.

    If the GOP would have had a better candidate, it wouldn't have even been close and the results would have been in long before midnight.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 6:39 PM
  • I am hoping the press will be critical of Trump in a constructive way, "holding his feet to the fire". He wanted it, now he has, so do some of the things you said or....you will be constantly reminded. :-)

    I actually feel a little sorry for most of the Democrats. They tried to stay true but their party was hijacked by the Clinton machine. Republicans were hijacked too but by the American silent majority who have been quiet too long.

    The Grand Old Party needs to take this as a BIG wake up call. They were not listening to the silent majority either. Trump is not the poster child we might want but he had enough wherewithal to do it without them and struck a chord with discontented Americans.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 7:00 PM
  • I sure hope Trump is the savior that many Republicans seem to think he is. If, however, he turns out to be the train wreck that he appears to be who's going to stop him? I hope you guys haven't just screwed us all. Time will tell.

    How was that, Steve? I didn't call names or anything.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 7:29 PM
  • Great ClarkDV. Thanks for asking? :-)

    I don't think ANY president can be effective without help. If he is a train wreck he will be ineffective.

    My concern about Hillary was just the opposite. She DID have support that scared the heck out of me and I truly don't think she would have been "in charge".

    Just an opinion of course.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 8:12 PM
  • I, for one don't think Trump is a savior, but then again, I am no Republican.

    I think both parties have been "screwing us all" for many, many, years and has projected the "screwing" onto the next generations as well.

    There are many fiscal problems that face the nation. The national debt alone has DOUBLED in the last 8yrs. more debt than all other presidents combined! Sooner or later the bill has to be paid. That is the nature of socialism. "Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to spend."

    Trump is likely to raise the debt ceiling,, again,, and again, digging us deeper into the hole. If the GDP isn't increased sharply, we are all going to be in serious fiscal trouble much sooner than later.

    Here is a pretty good article about fiscal issues facing the next administration.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-fiscal-legacy-1478649310#renderComments

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 8:19 PM
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    Steve, I don't feel sorry for the democrats. They weren't hijacked. The Clinton machine is the demoncrat party. Or was.

    ClarkVD, how would you or anyone else know if "you guys" "just screwed us all"? Your buddy O'Bummer has been screwing us so much the past 8 years we are numb to it at this point. Of course, I fully expect when America is great again, the looney left will be whining about being screwed.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 8:23 PM
  • It was a unbelievable night for sure, to watch states turn red that have not gone Republican in years. it was an awesome site to witness. Keep in mind that statement is coming from someone who is not a card carrying Republican. I am part of the "us" the Democratic party created by referring to "us" as racist because we didn't agree with you. Part of the "us" that didn't really align with either party.I am part of the "us" that was tired of Democrats disrespecting our country and stomping our flag. I am part of the "us" that is the silent majority that refuses to be silent any longer.We are the former Democrats that crossed the party lines to vote Republican. You can Thank "us" later.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 9:51 PM
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    Trump is just your average man with a lower IQ than most presidents, but had the desire to make America Great again.

    Hiilary didn't want to make America great again, she just wanted to make America better, because she liked the way Obama made it communist. She kept bragging on the good job Obama has done for the last 8 years, then said she would help the economy grow because it wasn't doing good. She was going to vet the Immigrants after swearing she wanted to bring them in unveted. She wanted open borders but didn't know what to do with the illegal aliens we have already. She wanted criminals on her team like Wasserman and the others who were rigging the election in her favor.

    The beauty of it all is... she got scammed by the rigged election herself. She received more popular vote than Trump, yet lost BECAUSE... Your vote just doesn't count when voting for the President.

    It is only the electoral votes that are counted. At the beginning, Hillary was said to of had enough electoral voters to win. What Happened?

    I think Hillary did an excellent job of SLAPPING THE WOMEN IN THE FACE. She show the women just how sorry a woman she is. And Old lady Warrren didn't help by telling the women there is a special place in Hell for women who don't help women. She did it again when Trump said Hillary was a Nasty Women in the last debate. He was referring to her acting nasty towards him. Old lady Warren spoke out and said all us Nasty women and going to vote against trump. She was calling all you women Nasty inspite of the fact that Trump only said Hillary was "nasty woman".

    One nice thing about all of this is... when the people start protest Trump now, they better watch it because they could be arrested with threatening the life of a president which carries a life sentence.

    It looks like it is all coming out in the wash. Even the foreign countries are happy about Trump winning.

    The GOP is crawling back to Trump now wanting to keep their jobs. I just couldn't be like Trump and accept them as good people after what they put Trump through.

    But then, I am not the POTUS nor will I ever be.

    There is talk from Obama that he hopes Trump won't try to prosecute Hillary because of political revenge. It has nothing to do with revenge. She broke the law and should face trial.

    Let the people decide if she is guilty or not.

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 9:53 PM
  • Yes. Foreign countries are happy. Russia is delirious with joy. No more playing second fiddle. They can proceed with rebuilding their empire. Trump owes them for the assistance. The moslem extremists are cavorting in the streets. They have wanted nothing more than an extremist government over here. Their recruiting would mushroom.... The free world, however, is holding its breath.

    I hope that Trump does a better job than I expect. Steve echoed what so many have said; the voters wanted to change the "status quo." Well, the status quo was that we had the most powerful military, the most egalitarian society, and strongest economy in the world. I, for one, hope that does not change. But, it is really a matter of Trump not being as unfit as he seems. We will all find out soon enough.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 9, 2016, at 11:49 PM
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    Cheer up lazyrus. It is only 4 years til one of your libtard friends can try to get in and drag us back down to where we are now. Speaking of owing for the assist, how much does sick hilly owe donna brassiere?

    I'm afraid Trump isn't gullible enough to fall for the PC idea of "don't **** off the muslims that are trying to kill us by stopping them from killing us". And the free world is holding it's breath because they are starting to realize Trump won't put up with their crap.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 9:32 AM
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    Lbr?, I know you are out there but I sure do understand your absence from the board lately. Some friendly advice: don't just drink water. You need the electrolytes in Gatorade as much as you need the fluid. There is a lot of sodium in tears. I wouldn't want you to suffer from dehydration or hyponatremia.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 9:38 AM
  • OK we have a a new President coming in, HE will be backed by both houses, There will be nobody for the right to accuse if they fail but themselves.

    Am I happy he was elected, no, I find it a cause to mourn for our nation. Already I'm reading and hearing young men repeating trumps example of "grab them by the XXXX". Seeing posts of the new first wife ( cant call her "lady" ) porn shots, there are even ones of her having sex with other women. We have the honor of watching the new president going to court for crimes he has committed. And the issue of him raping a 13 year old girl is still not settled because she was bullied and her life threatened if she did not drop the court date. Oh yes we are in for a ride to say the least.

    But at the end of the day, the precinct line had been maneuvered well enough to get the right the electoral votes they needed to put their guy in office even if they were not given the popular vote. Seeing the choice the moral standing of the man they elected, seeing the character and values of the man along with the first wife they saw fit to elect to our White House the only clear thing at this point we can take from this election is that we ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION !!!! While we do have some wonderful Christians, they do not control the majority of our electoral districts. Evil has been put in our highest position in this nation, will he do a good job? Only time will tell, will his wife be a good thing for our nation, time will tell she has a wonderful First Lady to follow who has set a great example of honor and greatness to follow.

    I will not be like the right wing haters of the last 8 years, I will not turn my back on the POSITION of President even though i find the man in it unfit and evil. I will give him honest credit for the job he does according to how ell he does it, I will not do as the right did to President Obama and just hate to hate.

    I will however allow myself to see and laugh at the hypocrisy we see coming from the right as they call for a coming together of our nation, as they call for us to "work together" because for the last 8 years they have vowed and done everything possible to destroy our President, they have been nothing but evil and hateful, country be damned they had to feed their hate yet want sunshine and roses now that they have their guy up there....I pray the left does not sink to that level. As Hillary ran on " When they go low -we go high "

    It will be fun to watch and see if the right holds their guy to the same standards they attacked President Obama over. LOL They have already proven they will not, because they elected a man who so beneath what our nation used to stand for. We now have a self admitted sexual predator and his porn wife( the last First Lady was condemned by the right for going sleeveless, yet the same people are silent about the naked porn shots of the new first wife. The double standards glare brightly) in our White House..... Jesus weeps as the devil dances.......

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 9:46 AM
  • I am forever amazed at the people who piously hide behind Christianity then consistently ignore two of the principles that underpin the canons accepted by all true followers of the faith: tolerance and forgiveness. All this while not having the courage of their convictions as demonstrated by their use of an avatar to speak for them.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 11:41 AM
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    Come on wondering high, don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel. The Christians did not vote for sick hilly in part because she is a habitual liar, in part because of her love of money (Clinton Inc), in part because she thinks it is ok to kill a baby as it is being born if it might cause the baby momma some anxiety, and in part because they couldn't take 4-8 years of listening to her hairball cough. If you want to talk morals and Trump, you need a better comparison than Mrs Bill Clinton.

    If it is ok for president O'Bonehead to rule by executive order then why not Trump. At least Trump will try to work with congress.

    And you suck at Electoral College math. No amount of gerrymandering makes a difference. The raw vote for each state determines who gets that states EC votes. State lines have not been changed in a long time. The blame for winning the popular vote and losing the Electoral College vote lies solely with the libtards. You people tend to overly congregate in California and New York so you get relatively more of the popular vote and relatively less of the EC vote from those states. Too bad for you that the Electoral College has neither participation trophies or safe spaces.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 12:19 PM
  • Don't worry about me too much, Fare. I remain cheerful. The entertainment should go on for quite a while, now. Do the Trump supporters hold him accountable, when he can't keep all those promises? Or will they make excuses, fix blame on someone else, or deny he ever made them?

    I have learned two things about government over the years. 1) The voters get the government they deserve. 2) Anything the government does, is the opposite of what it is called... Make America Great *Again*.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 12:28 PM
  • Steve Mills,

    Where's the rebuke for fairy share, that you were so quick to hit me with? You need to either take him to the woodshed for his name calling or don't say anything to me about it again.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 12:36 PM
  • This "Christian nation" just elected a atheist to the presidency. That's very interesting to me. God bless america, indeed.

    Also, with complete power in the House, the Senate, and now the Oval Office, Republicans have no one to point fingers at if they fail to save us all from this horrible condition we, apparently, find ourselves in.

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 12:41 PM
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    Clerk--, don't you think it is a little politically incorrect of you to make fun of my dyslexia? Sounds like you don't feel you are being treated fairly and you are lashing out at me. Try to make someone else feel bad so you can feel better. I'm sorry. Sorry you didn't have the type of childhood that would adequately prepare you for the adult world. Sorry you apparently don't have a safe space in which to retreat. Sorry you can't see how great America could be. Too bad you can't be more like Lazyrus. Tho I'm sure he would prefer we stayed on our downward slide through socialism, he remains cheerful. And he admits he is getting the government he deserves.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 6:28 PM
  • Just when I thought you and I were going to disagree amiably. I "do not recall" the exact attack you directed at me personally back then and choose not to go back and bring it back.

    I did not notice anything that seemed terribly aggressive in fair share's post but feel free to discuss it if you wish, reasonably of course. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 7:04 PM
  • This is a good start post election. Don't you think

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

    -- Posted by devan on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 9:13 PM
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    You mean the idiots blocking traffic and calling for Trump's assassination?

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Nov 10, 2016, at 9:56 PM
  • fair share I'm sure your point is that there are bad actors on both sides. Now is not the time for people to fight each other. They need to follow the example of their leaders and keep the peace. I will wait until Trump actually does something deplorable to judge him. I am and always will be the loyal opposition.

    -- Posted by devan on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 7:26 AM
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    Of course there are bad actors on both sides. The conservative bad actors tend to go it alone while the liberal bad actors tend to riot en mass.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 8:37 AM
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    If they really want to stop the rioting they need to set up some big loud speakers and continually play the National Anthem. Then everyone would sit down and the rioting would stop.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 9:45 AM
  • hello fare; I am perfectly capable of expressing my own thoughts, altho I appreciate your diligent efforts to help me out with that. Since I don't think you actually understand what socialism is, you can hardly express my feelings about it.

    I did, apparently, fail to make it clear what I meant by the voters getting the government they deserve. My meaning was that the voters as a whole get what they deserve, because the voters as a whole elected whoever they elected. If they expect one thing, and get another, then that is on them... collectively. No matter who we voted for, we are all a part of the election process. In the end, we get who we get, and should all be hoping the net is to the benefit of the country (state/county/city/etc). Then, when we find out the truth, we can vow to do better next time. (smiley face)

    So far, all there is to evaluate by is who is happy about the outcome. Russia, with her totalitarian government and imperialist ambitions is elated. I hate it, because I have many longstanding friends in the Ukraine, as in since before the fall of the Soviet Union. A return to Russian Hegemony will not be a happy eventuality for the Ukrainians. The Washington lobbyists are gearing up for what they expect to be a golden era. I thought we were supposed to drain the swamp, not dig it deeper. Do the lobbyists know something that we don't? The White Supremacist groups are certain that they have a champion in the White House. So far, have I listed anyone that you do not hope is disappointed?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 10:00 AM
  • "If they really want to stop the rioting they need to set up some big loud speakers and continually play the National Anthem. Then everyone would sit down and the rioting would stop."

    I generally hate "attaboy" posts, but that is funny.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 10:03 AM
  • I agree, the sit-down approach brings a smile.

    Not sure how a peace-loving group who needs "safe places" to avoid being hurt by bad words is doing all the rioting. Did they hire folks for this?

    Agree, bad actors on both sides.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 10:45 AM
  • You are right lazarus about draining the swamp and digging it deeper. America should have no more worries now that our country will be run by GOP president and an all white male cabinet of desperate cronies. To the 47% of Americans who did not vote I hope you will be happy. Trumps victory has already brought about more racist behavior and graffiti everywhere like,#go back to Africa,#whitesonly,and #white America. These are people that suppressed racial hatred the last 8 years who now feel it is safe to display openly since they have a president now to agree with them.Trump is still tweeting nonsense which shows he has no interest in unity.

    Lets see how long it takes for GOP to have a hearing on his Supreme Court nominee. What does it say for them when they refused to even have a hearing for one for Obama.

    Now he is trying to delay his trial set for Nov 28th that he has delayed for 6 years.He wants to have it after he is in office so the American people will have to pay his legal fees.

    How will his followers react when they see there will be no wall,11 million Hispanics will not be deported, Hillary will not be "locked up"and they will all lose their health insurance. Where will the money come from to pay for a wall.Mexico certainly will not pay for it.

    He can invite them all to the white house when he has tea with Putin and explain his campaign promises.

    I wonder if Melania will be treated with the same disrespect over her porn photos as Michelle was for her bare arms by the conservative so called Christians.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 11:03 AM
  • Why not just leave the first ladies out of it? None of them have done anything to anyone.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 11:12 AM
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    Sorry if I offended you lazyrus, but it was my honest opinion about socialism. On a brighter note, I really was trying to improve our little part of the world by encouraging clerkED to be more like YOU! How is that for bipartisanship? (Or as I suspect you might call it--tripartisanship. I understand you consider yourself to be in or close to the middle)

    Lbr, if 100% of the citizens age 18 and older had voted (just once), I suspect we would have had the same result. However, if the few hundred thousand Blacks in a few key swing states that voted last time but not this time had voted this time, you would be doing your happy dance now. So either blame them or blame sick hilly and the democrat machine for not giving them a candidate they could vote for. They were smart enough to realize if a Black guy in the oval office wouldn't actually help them then a white f(emale) liar that wanted to double down certainly would do them no good.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 11:45 AM
  • Republican FBI director Comey knew exactly what he was doing when he released his letter to the GOP at just the right time. I wonder if Trump still thinks the election was rigged.Just think what he would be saying if he won the popular vote and lost.A white male racist sex predator sure wont do anybody any good. I would not be shocked if he puts David Duke in his cabinet.

    I agree we should leave first ladies out of it but Michelle did not get the same respect other first ladies got.When you become president your life is an open book. Trump haven't seen anything yet.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 1:20 PM
  • I am perplexed (not that unusual), but why are colleges having to set up crisis counseling services for traumatized students regarding the election and why are they traumatized?

    What were they told that has them so frightened?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 2:26 PM
  • Steve, they were simply told Trump won.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 3:23 PM
  • Fairy Sherry (sorry, it seems I might have intermittent dyslexia too!) and the rest of you dullards, dunces, and dolt Trumpsters:

    One-Term Donnie will never build that wall. He also won't institute that 35% tariff on Chinese goods, and he won't install gold fixtures in your bathroom so you can be like him. He won't bring back The Andy Griffith Show, Dukes of Hazzard, and Hee Haw either.

    All those ridiculous promises he made to you during the campaign were all just hot air. When he takes office you'll see quickly that he cares about himself first and the rest of you not at all.

    And you dummies put him there with a hillbilly grin on your faces while doing it. Shifty used car salesmen love seeing your kind walk onto their car lot, you're what's known as an easy mark.

    Either that or you're as full of the seething hatred of everyone who doesn't look like you as Trump pretends to be. (I actually don't buy his act, I think he just knew that that's what you yokels would respond to, and boy was he right.)

    -- Posted by ClarkDV on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 4:22 PM
  • Poor little ClarkDV.....What entitlement did you get robbed of?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 4:31 PM
  • Folks, I was just contacted directly by someone who participates here and it made me think that the tone these posts take are just not what I had hoped to accomplish by giving everyone an opportunity to voice their opinion.

    I usually post on more "benign" topics and enjoy any exchange, even if not agreed with, but providing a forum on controversial topics that turns into sophomoric name calling is not worth the aggravation.

    Say what you will about not being able to handle it. I'll agree with one minor change, I don't WANT to handle it. I get enough stress from everyday life.

    If you can't stop the constant name calling, I will stop (as it has been suggested) in providing the forum. Maybe the T-G can solicit someone with more fortitude. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 6:56 PM
  • Steve, I agree completely and I don't blame you one bit. Most folks have no respect for the Times Gazette nor you or I for trying to provide a forum where reasonable people can discuss the great issues of the day.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM
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    Well Lazyrus, it doesn't seem like cluck is going to be much like you. At least when you say stuff that sounds wrong, it doesn't sound flat out crazy. As far as the voters getting what they deserve, I hear what you are saying.

    Steve, the reason the schools are setting up counseling, etc for the whiny youngsters in their care is because they are first class enablers. Their goal is to graduate and foist upon society children that are in dire need of the nanny state to powder their behinds and wipe their noses (or vice versa). I appreciate the opportunity you give us to voice our opinions. I will try to tone down my implications that cluck may have an STD or erectile dysfunction. In all honesty, I really have no personal knowledge either way.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 7:59 PM
  • I am perplexed (not that unusual), but why are colleges having to set up crisis counseling services for traumatized students regarding the election and why are they traumatized?

    What were they told that has them so frightened?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 2:26 PM

    I was told by a young college student, that they have been led to believe that;

    1.) Many of them, or their parents, will be deported because they are illegal.

    2.) They will be targeted for their race, gender, sexual orientation or being Muslim.

    3.)They will loose government benefits.

    There were other things mentioned but these are the main ones.

    Much of this is caused by Trumps blabbering rhetoric during the campaign, and the rest is the exploitation of his blabbering by the media.

    As far as I can tell from talking to my own children, and other college age students; The College(s) promote a very left leaning ideology. Basically, they have become more about indoctrination than education. Which also explains the media referring to Trump supporters as "uneducated" (everyone has education in the U.S.,, it really means "un-indoctrinated")

    The media has espoused the idea that Hillary had the election sown up. I believed she did also. Basically, they were spreading false information and then began to believe their own false information which led to a false sense of security which clashed with reality on Nov. 8.

    The ideology being promoted is socialism. If you look at an election map broken down by counties, you will see the blue space (Hillary) represents the cities and population centers in the respective states with the red areas (Trump) representing the rest of the country which is more rural.

    The idea of socialism is that the government owns., or controls, the means of production.

    With the voting map in mind, it is easy to see why these population centers are in favor of socialism. They simply do not have the means to provide for themselves and are dependent upon the rural areas for virtually all of their supplies. So, controlling the means of production is desirable to the mass of people in those areas.

    I imagine it would be quite frightening to think that they are being targeted and that all their supplies are in danger of becoming more difficult to obtain. The universities are teaching them to become dependent on socialist ideologies instead of how to thrive in a free market society.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 9:21 PM
  • I for one would vociferously defend anyone targeted because of their race, sexual orientation, gender or religion and I did not vote for Hillary. But wanting immigrants to be legally admitted is NOT racist. It is enforcing our laws.

    Trump definitely crossed many lines in his rhetoric but I believe Clinton did as well. A regrettably permitted tactic of our politics, but I agree whole heartedly that the mainstream media is responsible for whipping up the froth.

    Maybe the young people should be helped to understand the process for what it really is and be guided how to glean the truth when possible.

    It does appear that the education system has gone astray with the mainstream media. From things I read and hear, it has infiltrated into high school and grade school as well.

    While there are extreme fringes that have been emboldened by the rhetoric, I strongly believe that the mainstream "silent majority" wil not let any government abuse our citizens or aliens as long as they find a way to become legal.

    All the legal aliens that I know are about as ticked off as us naturalized citizens at the illegal immigrants. It is not an anti race thing. It is anti illegal.

    But as you said, the press and the opposition exploits and promotes the "race card". I am just surprised that so many educated kids can not see it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 11, 2016, at 9:52 PM
  • There are only three kinds of people in this world. Those who understand math, and those who don't. I keep hearing how the experts were all wrong about the election. But, the reality is, they were not wrong. I never saw a single credible projection that said Clinton was 100% certain to win. At times the odds got pretty high, but I never remember them getting as high as 90% (although close). The odds were much closer than that on election day. We have the same issue with the weather predictions. If the weather says there is a 20% chance of rain, and then it rains, everyone says the weather was wrong. The weather was not wrong. It is not like 20% never happens. 20% happens one time in five.

    In an election where only half the population actually votes, and the support for the two candidates is fairly even, the outcome is not decided by who the majority of the people support. It is decided by whose supporters actually get off their tails and vote. No one can really predict that with certainty. And so, we get those 70% chance of Clinton-30% chance of Trump weather forecasts.... Foul weather either way. On that day we got Trump. But, the predictions were not "wrong." In the end, Clinton actually won the popular vote by a pretty hefty margin. Given the way the "electrical" college system works, we ended up with the equivalent of a split decision. The self proclaimed "silent majority" is neither silent, nor a majority (smiley face). And declaring a "mandate" is pretty shaky. But, this is politics. (which is not a derivation of the word polite).

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 8:06 AM
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    The L A Times tracking poll was more right than most. But, as usual, it came down to which side was more motivated to actually get out and vote. I don't usually say good things about the left, but I do have to give them some credit for their collective (I know how much they like that word) decision to stay away from the polls like they did. They were smart enough to realize no matter how much you polish a t*rd, it never will shine. Trump has at least as much a mandate as Kennedy had. He won the electoral college vote without half of Chicago's cemetery population voting for him.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 9:08 AM
  • Interesting the self appointed intellectual champion of the left tells us that an approximately .3% difference in the popular vote is a "pretty hefty margin," yet an obvious beatdown in the Electoral College is not worthy of mention!

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM
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    Carl, I think that must be some of the common core math.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 10:06 AM
  • Hi Steve, I believe that one potential reason is that colleges tend to have students from very diverse backgrounds. Some schools, particularly those that have good graduate programs, have students studying there who do not have citizenship and are in the US temporarily only for their studies. Perhaps many of those students take the President Elect's words at face value (naive I know but it is an impressionable time of life) and fear that threats of mass deportation may somehow impact them even if those threats did not directly target them. They may also get the (wrong) impression that most of us Americans do not like them and want them gone. Being a foreigner in what you perceive to be a now more hostile land would probably be stressful for most anyone. Also, many Americans are good, good friends with illegal immigrants and again, taking Mr. Trump at his word, they fear that their friends will be deported and leave their families divided. I suppose there are also strong reasons that native born minorities would be concerned about the election, but that topic is a bit contentious right now. As far as I'm concerned there is a lot of blame to go around for this widely held sentiment, and I agree that both campaigns and the media share the brunt of the responsibility. I don't feel that ridiculing young people for these feelings is the answer though.

    -- Posted by wntfishman on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 11:49 AM
  • I figured out why Clinton actually lost. Everyone voted for Trump to get those who were making threats to move out of the country packed and gone. I wasn't a vote against Hillery but a vote to clean up the liberal talking dung. I'm sure like all good democratic candidates they were just telling us what we wanted to hear and will never follow through with it. :)

    -- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 11:55 AM
  • I apologize if some think I am ridiculing young people although I am surprised. I can understand grade school kids being scared by the left, but college students should have a little more reasoning power.

    As mentioned, we might help them by injecting some different perspectives than the liberal media and liberal instructors have fed them. Of course, this may be more in the minds of the media than the actual students. Much ado about nothing?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 1:29 PM
  • Sorry Steve, I didn't mean to use that term against you specifically. You were simply asking a question and apparently were not being sarcastic -- apologies. However, I don't fault teenagers (and most anyone really) for hearing campaign promises and then believing that the candidate will act on those promises. Those promises may be concerning to some groups for the reasons I mentioned earlier. Of course in reality candidates on both sides make promises that are unrealistic in order to get through the primaries first and then to get their base fired up and out to vote.

    -- Posted by wntfishman on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 2:16 PM
  • I think the main problem with our country is there is fundamental truths that are not being passed on to the younger generations.

    One truth was spoken by God and is written in the Bible. God spoke it, it is so, there is nothing we can do about it. However, one need not believe in God for this truth to be evident. It is fundamental. It is fact.

    This truth is found in Genesis 3:19

    "By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

    Simply put, we (mankind collectively) must work in order to eat and survive. Mankind, as a unit, is bound by this rule and it is inescapable.

    However, mankind is not a single unit and is made up of individuals. Individuals have a choice. Either work for their own food or., get it from someone else. To get it from someone else, only has 2 options. Either it is given by the person who works and earns it voluntarily (such as the case with a parent to child) or., the person who earns it, has it taken from them by force (such as a thief). The application of force to take from one who has earned is the act of "plundering" that person. This is the origin of "plunder". Plundering, in it's most brutal form, leaves the working person dead and the plunderer in possession of all he had worked for. This form of plundering is not sustainable for the thief as the means of production is now dead.

    Therefore, for the would-be plunderer it is desirable to enslave the means of production in order to sustain a lasting source of bread. Enter "The Law", the force of choice to insure a sustained source of plunder. This is the goal of the socialist, and is basically.,, enslavement.

    To the young, who have mostly been given everything they need, there is the expectation that those needs will continue to be met. They may even feel entitled to it.

    If we do not teach fundamental truths to the younger generations, then how can we expect them to know? We as parents, leaders, and teachers, constantly teach children things that we know are not true.

    For example, we say to them: You can be anything you want to be. That sounds good, but is not true. Danny DeVito will never be a better basketball player than Michael Jordan no matter how much he wants it. We say things like that then become surprised when they say "I want to be the opposite sex."

    We have to teach them to deal with reality, not what makes a good sound byte, or makes you feel good. We have done the same thing with our government and society. We set our younger generations up for failure and then have unrealistic expectations from them when they don't know how to act.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Sat, Nov 12, 2016, at 8:10 PM
  • It will be interesting to follow events in the Western world over the next few years. All of it is experiencing pangs similar to the discontent that was evidenced by the US election. While there are a lot of different trends that drove the Trump vote high enough to put him in the White House, the dominant factor seems to be the disenchantment of the uneducated white voter. They feel marginalized and left out in a modern economy. Their problems are not, of course, caused by immigrants, the "establishment," Liberals, minorities, trade agreements, gay rights, or any of the other scapegoats that they are looking to blame. Their problems are caused by them. It was not a secret to my generation that education was of growing importance. We were told over and over that if you "want to get anywhere" you need to get a good education. Now, not everyone really enjoys school all that much. I know i didn't. I hated it. But, I sucked it up and stuck with it until I got that bachelors degree. Not everyone has the family support to pay for that education. I know I didn't. I had to work my way thru. I ate a lot of dam velveeta. I was pretty happy to have velveeta. Sometimes there was nothing. But I got my education, and it paid off in the end... So, I guess I am not that sympathetic to people who weren't willing to make the sacrifice, and now they feel marginalized. They think it is the government's responsibility to make sure they have good paying jobs that don't require skills or education. Just a bunch of right wingers with that all too human desire to get something for nothing. Of course this is nothing new. I am sure the hunter gatherers cried about agriculture, and hated the farmers. When the industrial age came, and cars and tractors put horses and mules out of business, all the farm hands and farriers wanted progress to stop, and things to go back the way they were. But progress doesn't stop. Now we have computers, and automation is taking those unskilled jobs away. And they are not coming back. Don't feel too bad. My bachelors degree ain't worth a dime any more, and after all those decades of making a living with the skill sets I learned, computers have made me obsolete, too. Fortunately, I am old and won't have to worry about it much longer. I developed new skills and have found myself a niche in today's world. I don't need some political messiah to make a bunch of promises that he can turn back time. I will rely on myself to take care of myself. My kids are better educated than me, and now it is their world... altho they are already complaining about today's new generation of kids (smiley face). So, I hope you enjoy the outcome of your revolution, and hold dear those warm and fuzzy feelings while they last. Because you got just what we will always have; a politician that tells you anything you want to hear, and delivers nothing. maybe this one is crude and vulgar, and his 300 word vocabulary makes him sound like he is one of you. He is not. He is a member of the privileged class, and the only interests he will look out for are his own.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 10:06 AM
  • The people have spoken. Trump will have the congressional upper hand for two years. Now we'll just have to pray and hope for the best. Trump will be the first private citizen to become president since George Washington. Frankly, I believe he won because Americans are sick and tired of establishment politicians and their shenanigans. Thankfully, we won't see another Clinton or Bush seeking the presidency any time soon.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 2:01 PM
  • Technically, Tim, it is the electoral college that will speak. The popular vote went the other way. I think that would be the perfect outcome, if, just once, the winner would take a razor thin result to mean they should seek middle ground. Unfortunately, recently we seem to have developed a tradition of calling that a mandate, and going hog wild.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 2:43 PM
  • The losers may find they are not really losers. I believe the ones who will really be disappointed are the fringe hate groups who think Trump has empowered them.

    He has emboldened them but I believe they will find him to be much more mainstream than many think. We can not tolerate hate from EITHER side.

    If anyone seems to be urging the hate groups on, it is the media. Just report the news and don't give them more than a few seconds of fame. Don't sensationalize it.

    I truly hope he does not try to build a physical wall, Just enforcing our laws will be enough and this is not racism.

    I've seen some great blogs and video posts By Democrats who blame themselves for the loss because they got caught up in calling names, not talking about solutions. The Republicans could learn from that as well.

    It is time to stop the mud slinging and start slinging creative, positive solutions to put our economy back on track and slow/stop the drain of our resources.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 6:44 PM
  • I hope you are right, Steve. In my heart, I do not think the haters are but a small minority now. But, they definitely believe they have a champion for their cause. For some of us, the horror of where that kind of thinking can lead when a government supports and promulgates it is something we can never forget.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 8:16 PM
  • Where are the Trump supporters that are rioting and looting? In fact where have conservatives ever rioted and looted when disagreeing with an election or any political position or action?

    It has been established that Democratic employees, consultants and supporters have payed operatives to disrupt Trump rallies. That this is so is evident as they fired some employees and consultants for doing so. I have yet to see the mainstream media or any others postulate the notion that hateful and dispicable symbols and slogans painted in various areas might be the work of these payed goons, knowing the mainstream media would immediately attack Trump supporters for these acts without any regard for facts.

    The mainstream media has long since demonstrated they abhor any canons of ethics of journalism and in their brilliance, assumptions and facts are identical.

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sun, Nov 13, 2016, at 10:02 PM
  • Carl; Did no one tell you the Trump supporters won? Plenty of them were threatening to revolt, had they lost. Neither team has 100% desirable supporters.

    It is an interesting tangle to try to decipher, and even more so in the day of social media, as to which incidents are perpetrated by actual supporters of a cause, and which are done by opponents in order to discredit them. Some of these reported acts are pretty dubious. Some have already been proven to be fake. Others are all too genuine. Real acts are much like the "comments" attached to various articles. Sometimes it is unclear whether the more incendiary statements are real (or memorex... a joke for old people who remember those commercials) and which are plants. Purportedly those comments are made under people's real names, however I think the majority are not. But then, nothing over the internet is reliably true. Even the number of "followers" on social media, as there are companies from which tens of thousands of fake followers can be purchased. So, it is impossible to gauge the amount of actual support any cause has.

    Amidst the mishmash of "information" that cannot be trusted, there are facts. This Bannon character that played a prominent role in Trump's campaign, and has now been placed in an influential position in his administration is closely linked with the white nationalist movement. Wander around his corner of the internet a while and see what you see. The racist element has reasons to believe that they have a champion in Trump.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 1:13 AM
  • There is a lot of false/misleading information being spread particularly by the media.

    For example: The media kept saying that Trump was winning because of the vote of "white uneducated men". First of all, how do they know that? No one ever asked me when I registered to vote if I had a college education. They don't ask when I go to vote and they don't ask who I voted for.

    No, they espoused this information while the election results were still coming in. They were promoting a narrative, not fact.

    Yes, I think there are probably some racist groups that think they have a champion in Trump. There are also racist groups that have a champion in Obama. I still remember the Black Panthers intimidating people at the voting booth.

    Race relations have gotten much worse in the last eight with most of the hatred being expressed by the left. Racism is the go-to weapon of the left. It can't be about other issues! NO, it must be racism!

    Here is a video that expresses why Trump won better than I can;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Y30EOQljI

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 5:14 AM
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    Well Lazyrus, I will go out on a limb and guess your bachelor's degree was a BS, not BA. Not sure what field. I assume BS because you are so good at it. The "uneducated" white voter no doubt did help Trump. But so did the educate white voter, not to mention educated and uneducated black voter and various types of Democrats. But I did get a good laugh about the uneducated white rightwingers wanting something for nothing.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 6:30 AM
  • One way dear Ole Trump has effected our community, shortly after his gab them comment Harris Middle School was entertained by boys grabbing the young girls breast in the hallways while touting "Grab them by the Boobies"......... That folks is the example our new President Elect has set for our youth. I'm sure many of the males in our nation will just love the new first wife ( she does not deserve the title lady)of our nations portfolio of porn picture, all nude and some even in lesbian sexual activity. Ah yes the Christian right has picked their new leader to influence future generations on their core values. They must be so proud.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM
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    I can hear sick hilly hairball coughing as we speak.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 12:43 PM
  • Yes they are going to bring back conservative values to the white house, LOL.

    Trump says he wants to unite the country then puts a racist Executive Chairman with Breitbart that is (associated with white supremacy) as Chief Strategist in the white house.Steve Bannon also abuses women,he beat his own wife.

    Now Trump's campaign manager is calling for Hillary to calm the thousands of protesters in the streets that was incited by Trumps hateful and racist rhetoric he spewed during his campaign.Trump needs to apologize to all the Americans he offended,it belongs on his shoulders.Trump supporters are not going to be so happy since he has already started breaking his promises.He might keep parts of the ACA that make it the ACA,appointing insiders to his cabinet,is putting locking up Hillary on the backburner and his wall is turning into a fence. I guess he will tell them Mexico has no wire cutters and they will believe him.

    He is putting his business in a blind trust under his children,that is no blind trust.He states he will only take 1 dollar for a salary.JFK did this but his salary went to charity.I am sure Trumps will go to the Trump foundation to his benefit with no taxes.

    Inaguration day should be interesting. I will not be shocked if rebel flags are flying at the white house on the eve of Jan 20th.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 1:23 PM
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    The main thing inciting the rioters ("protesters") is money from the DNC and Georgey-boy soros. Can't really complain too much about them. At least they are working.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM
  • lets be real, do you have hard facts that go along with the accusations you are putting out about these folks? I really would like to know the TRUTH but I am not sure what or who to trust as valid sources.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 2:54 PM
  • -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 14, 2016, at 8:24 PM
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    You gotta decide how much attention you want to pay to Forbes. Gotta wonder how objective they can be given their obvious homophobia towards Milo. And the Pravda reference? Typical left name calling (-isms, -phobias). What about the MSM cabal that is currently the mouthpiece for b o and his buddies? If we don't let them go into a crowded theater and yell "fire", we must be restricting their A1 rights, apparently.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Nov 15, 2016, at 6:02 AM
  • I hope the letists keep trying to ride the lame horse of racism.

    It cost them the election, but they're still playing the broken record.

    They put their diaper pins on their shirts and wandered around in traffic, but still refuse to see reality.

    Everything the left is apoplectic about Trump saying is something already said or done by past democrats.

    Some illegal immigrants are criminala and we need a wall. - Bill Clinton

    Stopping immigration while at war. - FDR

    Reducing taxes, spending, and regulations to boost the economy. - JFK

    Democrats only message is wanting freebies, but that doesn't play well, so they accuse their opponents of being racists, misogynists, xenophobic, homophobic, etc

    But what do you expect from the people who think socialism has failed again and again, but if we give it just one more try....

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 15, 2016, at 6:54 AM
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    Sooner or later it will work. Won't it? Or is that the definition of insanity?

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Nov 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM
  • Will someone tell me why Trump's kids need top security clearance?Could it be they don't think he can keep his mouth shut and may tweet secrets or do they think he can't handle the job.This will probably be of benefit to them as they run the family business.

    Trump won the electoral vote but his thin skin won't let him accept he lost the popular by nearly a million votes.He continues to tweet about it.

    Everyone in America knows the history of Breitbart and what they stand for.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Nov 15, 2016, at 11:47 AM
  • lets be real where are you getting your numbers because as of this morning the votes were still being counted...for the popular vote. Regardless Trump already has a larger percentage of the popular vote than Bill Clinton did, so your point is?

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 15, 2016, at 9:15 PM
  • Liberalism is the new dogma, "Liberals" are the new Church Establishment and Inquisitors: anyone who disagrees with them is a blasphemer or heretic

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 3:37 AM
  • I'm afraid I had never heard of Brietbart before the last two weeks. Still have not looked at the publication for myself to determine what I think about it. Only have other's opinions.

    I like your statement about liberalism (PC) quietmike. That is how I think I would have felt during the inquisition.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 5:34 AM
  • Dianatn it is not about who won by how many popular votes, my point is Trump needs to put down the phone and act like an adult.But he continues to tweet letting everyone see that he can not accept the fact that he lost the popular big time.

    Now he wants his son in law to be present at every briefing and have top security clearance.Who will be running the white house? I think he is in way over his head.

    He wants the media shut out of his life.This is what happens when you become president. Does this mean America will have to be informed by Fox as to what is going on with the country.

    Looks like his cabinet is shaping up to be all white men who he refers to as "finalist" in a tweet. What does that remind you of?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 2:00 PM
  • Steve, you always seem to be willfully ignorant of anything critical of Trump or the Republican Party in general.

    Never heard of Brietbart or Steve Bannon?

    You want to know the truth, but just don't know how to research things or know which sources to trust....oh woe is me.

    Please.

    When things like this happen i notice conservatives will either ignore it, or act like they have no knowledge, or they just don't care.

    Trumps first appointment of Steve Bannon as his White House Chief Strategist is disgusting.

    But I guess that's all the more reason to look the other way.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 2:38 PM
  • I never claimed be all knowing Rocket Valentine. maybe amazing to you but ........ You on the other hand seem to be. Good for you.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 3:08 PM
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    Hey, LBR?, it's not like the country has been well-informed by the other news outlets lately. But it is shaping up to be a fun 8 years listening to the libs whine and complain. And it doesn't make any difference who the next president is as long as they are Republican. They would be called racist, women haters, muslim haters, and all their decisions would be criticized and complained about. I understand that. It gives them something to do. But for those that are more deeply affected to the point of being so stressed out they have to riot (protest), I have two bits of advice for you. Number 1: enjoy the next two months cause Trump will put an end to your crap. And B: if you need a bigger safe space, move to Mexico.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 3:09 PM
  • Fair share Trump will probably try to put an end to freedom of speech that is not praising him.There is no need to move because by the time I finish packing he will be impeached.He can't keep his mouth shut or quit tweeting.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 6:58 PM
  • Trump is being his usual "Bull in a China shop" self by appointing Bannon. Race relations in this country have eroded over the last few years. Trump should be sensitive to that! But he apparently isn't, based on this controversial appointment.

    I think a lot of this is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy. The left constantly plays the race card. So, after a while people pay no attention to howls of racism. Kind of like the boy who cried wolf. The media also has lost credibility in the same way.

    Most Presidents want a complicit media. Trump is no different. Obama also tried to block Fox when he began his Presidency. The press is the watchman, it must be free, but it must not be biased either.

    I am sure the mainstream media will be much more critical of Trump than Obama. Which is a good thing, if they can regain the peoples trust. However, their obvious bias, has created a dangerous situation. The Wolf may have free reign when the watchmen is no longer credible. We have to be careful of that!

    A free society has to be diligent towards the plundering of other citizens life, liberty, or possessions, especially in regard to their own government. A credible media and truthful, unbiased, information is vital to that. Fortunately, there is alternate media now available on the internet that provides a vast resource of information.

    Here is a link of the interview between Anderson Cooper and Glen Beck. Where they talk about Bannon.

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/11/16/watch-live-tonight-glenn-to-appear-on-anders...

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 7:02 PM
  • Boy I bet Trump supporters are elated,they think he is creating jobs even before he takes office. He is taking credit for keeping Ford plant in the US that wasn't leaving LOL.This man is delusional.

    What other president elect has meetings with foreign prime ministers with their daughter and son in law present that have no security clearance?Get ready America Trump's kids will run the country and his business because Trump is not capable.Trump has had national security breifings and is talking to foreign heads of state on an unsecure cell phone.Isn't this close to what he accused Clinton of?

    Now it seems he may settle with swindled Trump University students to prevent testifying in court.Trump's own statement"I never settle lawsuits".

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 10:28 AM
  • Boy I bet Trump supporters are elated,they think he is creating jobs even before he takes office.

    -- Posted by lets be real

    I guess you forgot about the paid protestors.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 11:34 AM
  • Yeah, turns out that was just another fake news story that gullible republicans gobbled up like hogs at a trough.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/17/blog-posting/no-s...

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 11:51 AM
  • Might I ask how someone knows of private phone conversations?

    From the little I have heard on the national media, his meetings with foreign ministers were "get to know" meetings and did not encompass policy or secret information since he is not president yet.

    Are the same folks bugging his phone also bugging his office?

    I may be somewhat "uninformed" but I am trying, so how does everyone know this information, or is it conjecture, speculation or fabricated rumors?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 12:02 PM
  • Rocket Valentine,

    Good to see you back on here but may I ask.....how did you eat so much crow that quick.

    It has only been 10 days since the election and you had such a kettle full to digest.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 4:44 PM
  • Thanks for the acknowledgment and the graceful gloat BA.

    I'll admit, I was in mourning for our country for a few days. I really thought we were better than that.

    But, here we are.

    The next four years will definitely be interesting.

    I hope Trump is everything you hoped for.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 5:10 PM
  • -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 5:33 PM
  • RV, Why not go directly to the source.

    Hillary's FEC records aren't likely to have a right wing slant.

    https://beta.fec.gov/data/disbursements/?two_year_transaction_period=2016&recipi...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 5:38 PM
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    LBR?, Trump talking on the phone is nothing like what sick hilly is guilty of with her emails. In my opinion, your happiness would be best served if you got some milk and cookies and spent some quality time with a coloring book.

    Arvy, just because you find a false story doesn't erase the tapes of the dummercrat operatives explaining how they pay people to protest Trump. Could I offer you a nice cup of hot chocolate?

    Steve, the "information" being spewed by the left is mostly (if not completely) speculation and fabrication. I understand that they need some time to vent. Perhaps it would help if we awarded them a participation trophy. If that doesn't work we will need to hand out straws so they can suck it up.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 6:48 PM
  • Well....it looks like Trump's first order of business as President-elect is to pay out a 25 million dollar settlement to the victims that he scammed at his fraudulent "Trump University".

    What will be next for our Con-Man in Chief?

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 6:51 PM
  • Give Trump a little time and he will tweet everything that HE said was said.No media was allowed.So far his cabinet is looking like the good ole boys reunion.Trump supporters can breath a sigh of relief now that the country will be run by all white republican males again.Just like the good old days when women and minorities knew their place.

    We know of 4 jobs he will create and that is for his 3 kids and son in law.Now it seems his ex-wife Marla wants to be an ambassador.This could be a new reality TV show.

    I see he has settled 1 lawsuit with 74 more to go,after stating he never settles because it brings more lawsuits.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 7:18 PM
  • As usual, the liberals are big on rhetoric, but short on facts.

    They keep trying to desperately play the race card, yet can post no factual data to back up their claims.

    Maybe someone should explain to them that Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon was not giving political advice.

    "Don't think..... Feeeeeeel"

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Nov 18, 2016, at 8:30 PM
  • These are the Trump picks that is going to unite the country,Steve Bannon"Darkness is good,Dick Cheney,Darth Vader,Satan,thats power"

    Flynn as National Security advisor who has business ties with Turkey and dines with Putin. This was someone who was forced out of the DIA.

    Jeff Sessions found not fit to be a federal judge because of racist views,now considered as Attorney General.He continues to this day to fight against voting rights for minorities.

    Trump tweets he could have won the university lawsuit.No sane person would pay out 25 million plus over a million in penalties to NY if they had evidence to win.

    The Trumps are the new Kardashians.We are going to have foreign heads of state staying at Trump Hotels with favors from Trump and Ivanka using government sites to sell her merchandise while republicans look the other way.How many hearings will they have about this? NONE

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Nov 19, 2016, at 12:33 PM
  • Elections have consequences, deal with it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Nov 19, 2016, at 12:57 PM
  • Once again, we agree Quite Mike. Clearly you are familiar with the law of unintended consequences.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Nov 24, 2016, at 12:53 AM
  • Perverse Effect.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Nov 24, 2016, at 12:54 AM
  • As I said earlier in the thread, for all the hand wringing from the usual suspects, Trump is still essentially a Democrat.

    No one has explained what Trump has said that a past Democrat hasn't already said or done.

    The dummies are upset because he has a R by his name, not because of his stances.

    -- Posted by bcpwoman on Thu, Nov 24, 2016, at 7:03 AM
  • Why is Trump refusing daily intelligence briefings?Could it be because he said"I know more than the generals" or are they given to his family instead.

    He states he can handle his business and run the country all from the white house.He can have foreign leaders stay at his hotels,his children sit in on all top secret meetings,put money in his pocket while doing business with foreign leaders,and pick cabinet members with no experience all while GOP look the other way.Everything that was illegal and produced GOP hearings is now legal.

    Wait till his supporters realize he is breaking his promises.

    He did build a wall but in Scotland to block the sea view from local residents who refuse to sell their homes for his golf course.Then he sent them a bill for $3500.He even cut their water and electric.This is what he does when he does not get his way.

    I am waiting for him to nominate his sister who is a judge for the Supreme Court.

    Will those that were concerned everytime Obama went on vacation be as concerned when America has to pay for security at 2 homes for him and his family.After all there are good schools in DC.They were good enough for all other presidents children.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Nov 25, 2016, at 2:06 PM
  • Since Trump yelled and screamed for months that the election was rigged,he should welcome the recount.If he had lost with over 2 million and still counting more votes he would bring the biggest lawsuit. He certainly would not have conceded.It probably will not make a difference but what is he afraid of?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Nov 26, 2016, at 6:17 PM
  • Bring on the recounts.

    The only thing better than two celebrations is watching the SJWs crying twice.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Nov 27, 2016, at 9:38 PM
  • I don't remember who is SJW, Quite Mike? Are you really that happy for Putin's hackers to determine the outcome of our election, and install a Russian puppet in office?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 28, 2016, at 2:21 AM
  • *

    I think it stands for Safety pin Jaded Whiners.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Nov 28, 2016, at 8:39 AM
  • Laz

    Social Justice Warriors.

    Any evidence Russian hackers were behind it?

    For someone who claims to be libertarian and always fact checking sources, that's a strong allegation.

    For the fourth (fifth?) time I'll ask, what has Trump said that hasn't already been said/done by previous democrats?

    Michigan certified Trump's win. Stein missed the deadline in Pennsylvania.

    Let the wailing begin anew.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Nov 28, 2016, at 5:21 PM
  • Smiley Face

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 28, 2016, at 5:22 PM
  • Trump said Hillary was unfit to be president for her handling of classified material.Then he considers Petraeus who admitted sharing classified info with his biographer and his mistress and is on probation convicted of misdeameanor for Sec of State.What a hypocrite.

    Now he is back to rigged election again,but for only ones who voted for Hillary.He claims 3 million voted illegally with no proof of this.How does he know some was not for him?He just can't get over he lost the popular vote.He doesn't have time for intelligence briefings but he has time to tweet all day.

    To quitemike on your answer to what Trump has said or done no democrat has.How much time have you got?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Nov 28, 2016, at 6:15 PM
  • LBR, since you'll only be typing to the page and not speaking to me in person, it really doesn't matter how much time I have.

    Fire away at your leisure.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 4:42 AM
  • The latest manufactured outrage is Trump tweeting that people who burn the flag should be jailed.

    The SJWs forget Hillary co-sponsored a bill for that.

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/11/29/hillary-clinton-flag-burners/

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 5:26 PM
  • Hey Quite Mike; sorry for the late response, but things have been rather busy. It isn't what he has said or done that a democrat has not said or done. It is things he has said and done that no serious presidential candidate, much less president elect has done. No one in my lifetime has ever said they would not accept the results of the election, unless they won. No one has ever invited the assistance of a hostile foreign power. But, I could give you a list of things no one else has done that would go on for pages and it would not matter.

    As far as Russian hackers involvement goes, the word of the entire intelligence community does carry some weight. On top of which, seeing the straight Russian propaganda lines coming out of the Trump campaign doesn't really sound like a coincidence. But, he wasn't the only one. Thousands of dupes spread the Russian crap on social media, overwhelming any real information. But, this isn't something unique to the US, they are making a strong effort to destabilize every country in the free world.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 5:28 PM
  • Odd, the FBI says there was no link between Trump and Russian hackers.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trum...

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 29, 2016, at 7:27 PM
  • No "direct link" Quite Mike. Very Different from no link. The puppet does not have to know the strings are attached. Russia worked hard to put him in office, because (like a child) he is easily angered, and just as easily manipulated.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 2:35 AM
  • As I have said before, it is all very amusing. Reading this morning about Trump "saving" 1,000 Carrier jobs in Indiana, I had to smile. Not just because industry has proven itself quite adept at selling a bill of goods to the economic development folks (notice that Trump and Spence did not reveal just how much the rest of the taxpayers are going to pay to "maybe" keep the jobs in country, nor how long the reprieve will last), but more so because of what it is called when the government runs businesses.... THAT is what socialism is.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 2:44 AM
  • You think it will be more than the "shovel ready" programs, which obama later admitted were fake?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 3:19 AM
  • *

    ****, lazyrus. I thought Trump won because $hilly was the socialist. Now you're telling me Trump is the socialist? ****.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:38 AM
  • Darn, I guess the only way to know the truth is to know someone in the area and give them a call to see if the got jobs or not. And then, are they happy with the $20 per hour job they got or did they think they should get $40?

    It seems IF Russia officially did something, it was more to keep someone OUT of office, which concerns me because she was the one wanting to "start over". She is the one who seemed willing to keep appeasing the bear.

    Hackers pride themselves in belonging to no one, so IF the hackers were Russian, there is not guarantee that they were state authorized, but I suppose conjecture can run wild.

    Maybe they did us a favor in showing that too much is on the web and we need to go back to microdots on letters in books?

    By the way, how does a someone not in office yet do all the things he is being credited/accused of doing?

    -- Posted by Timeline on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:44 AM
  • *

    Hey Mike, don't hold your breath waiting for LBR? to get back to you about Trump being a democrat. She is still caught up in $hilly's handling of classified material. She thinks it is the same as Petraeus telling his girlfriend where he will be that afternoon!

    Timeline, Trump seems to be a mover and a shaker. He doesn't need a title to get things done. As opposed to sick hilly, who is just a shaker (she has a seizure disorder).

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 11:42 AM
  • Well hello Thymeline. I don't remember you being here before. Every government now has a "hacker" apparatus among their intelligence assets (including the US). This is not related to the "hacker" subculture.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 11:55 AM
  • Lazarus, I used to live in Bedford County in the late 70's to 80's. I keep tabs on things and watch this post, occasionally jumping in. Can't remember when the last time was but guessing more than a year.

    Actually, I'm not sure what made me do it this time, my fingers just started tapping.

    -- Posted by Timeline on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 12:36 PM
  • *

    Lazyrus, please don't call Timeline goofy names. He has been around here at least as long as I have. Maybe not as vocal. He is a self-avowed conservative, as I recall. Just like you (as I recall). However, I have not seen anything he has posted that would make me doubt what HE says.

    FYI, I try not to post with goofy names for some people, such as Steve, Mike, LFL, and Carl(sometimes).

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 1:21 PM
  • fair share, you must have an excellent memory or I have a bad one. I did not recall much of timeline's comments. In fact, I really don't keep track of who says what unless it is very recent.

    I don't search back to remember good times (or bad for that matter). I know I had a tiff with someone recently, but honestly don't remember who. (No need to remind me, not knowing allows me to respond to the post not the individual.)

    Is it time for me to create a new post? This one is kind of long. Don't mind if we change subject either. The election was draining.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 7:22 PM
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    I only remember Timeline posting once about a year ago. Don't really remember what he said but I made a comment about it. Then he informed me that I was wrong, he really was a conservative. Haven't seen him say anything else since then that would make me think otherwise . Unlike some on the board.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 7:50 PM
  • Well, Maybe he will visit our discussion more often. Did he confirm he was a guy or just sounded like it?

    Not important I guess since others of us have not declared. Doesn't matter to me except that I have to try to say he/she when I don't know.

    But, with my memory, I'll forget anyway. :-(

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:09 PM
  • Hey! This is the first time I have been able to respond using the app. Yippee!

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:10 PM
  • *

    Good for you, Steve. I assume Timeline is a guy but don't know for sure. Didn't you hear? Trump is president-elect. You don't have to play that he/she PC game anymore.

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 9:43 PM
  • 😜 the thought ran through my head as I wrote it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 10:06 PM
  • Double hey! I can used real smiley faces with this app. Wowwwww.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Nov 30, 2016, at 10:07 PM
  • I haven't seen anything I would call "mover and shaker." Just the early stages of a reality TV show style presidency. Pretty much what I expected. Hopefully our institutions are strong enough to keep us a free country.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 1:41 AM
  • Russia and Syria have already stated their desire for peace with the US, before Trump has taken office.

    Businesses are meeting with Trump already.

    Compare that to obummer who accomplished nothing even with a supermajority congress except for the mess ironically known as the affordable care act.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 3:21 AM
  • *

    Well, Steve, here are a few thoughts I have on possible topics if you want to start a new one:

    1) We could explore the issue of why some people just seem to be incapable of being happy that things are finally starting to get better.

    2) We could debate the pros and cons of erecting more windmills. Since they are basically giant fans, we should be able to deal with global warming by using them to cool us down.

    3) We could delve into the issue of riots and those that incite riots. For example, the Charlotte riots; should those that lied to police and had their lies played 24/7 on TV be charged?

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 11:01 AM
  • Some will probably not accept that things could be getting better, even if they do.

    Windmills would be interesting to me, do you think it is controversial enough? ;-)

    I like the idea of pros and cons regarding people who are documented lying about what happened and irresponsibly incite more unrest. Al Sharpton's name will more than likely come up, so if you prosecute the locals we probably should include those who take it nationally. No?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 12:01 PM
  • *

    Yeah, I'm afraid the hot chocolate swilling snivelers are here to stay. The climate change hub-bub is surely controversial. I was kinda making mock of the kool-aid drinkers. The windmills don't really blow the air around or do anything for cooling. But, that theory is as good as anything else for fixing the "problem". The only problem with charging people for inciting is getting people to take responsibility for themselves and getting people to see this is the way it should be.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 12:45 PM
  • I am not sure exactly what I am already supposed to be celebrating. Putin is going to be satisfied if we just let him annex the Ukraine and Syria? I can almost hear Trump announcing that he has brought us "Peace for our time." Or is it the 800 (out of 1400) jobs (of some sort) that Pence has paid at least 7 million to hang onto (for some unspecified period of time). Surely there will not be a stampede of companies threatening to leave with their hands out. Will we be coughing up 10 grand apiece for all 25 million promised jobs? I think I will wait a while before The dancing in the street begins.

    By the way; climate change is roughly as controversial as gravity, and wind turbines are not exactly a joke. While only anticipated to provide about 20% of the world's energy, that is nothing to sneeze at. The US is currently running third in that race, with the EU narrowly leading the US, and China at about equal to the US and EU combined. And no country in the world is more aggressively researching energy alternatives than China. The choice is really easy. We can cling to the past, and become tomorrow's middle east, or we can look ahead, and remain a world leader.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 5:22 PM
  • You mean like how obama allowed Libya to be taken over by ISIS?

    How did Trump/Pence pay for those jobs?

    It was a suspension of taxes for a time. Taxes that would have never been collected if they went overseas.

    Taxes are the money of the company. Odd that a "libertarian" would think letting people keep their own money is a bad thing.

    Nuclear is the only energy source other than oil that can currently meet demand.

    Modern nuclear is very safe and the technology has advanced tremendously since Fukishima era reactors.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 6:55 PM
  • Looks like you got the party started. If I create a new post some others might be interested?

    Whatcha think?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 7:51 PM
  • Always!

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Dec 1, 2016, at 8:10 PM
  • Today Trump did just what he campaigned against.He called politicians "dumb" for catering to companies leaving America.He said he would tell companies there would be a 35% tariff on all your inmports back to this country.He even talked about Carrier sending 1400 jobs to Mexico. Well he bowed down to Carrier today and handed them 7 million dollars the taxpayers will be stuck with and they are still sending 1400 jobs to Mexico.He forgot to mention that while strutting around like a peacock at a photo shoot.He complained about wall street now he is handing over the country to wall street CEOs.

    Why he is running around the country as if he is still campaigning?

    I can not wait for the hearings to begin in Washington when he takes office still refusing to cut his business ties.Giving his kids control is not a blind trust.

    Will Americans be happy when he is paid millions of taxpayers money to have secret service stay in his hotel to guard his family?He is already profiting off America.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 12:07 AM
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    What did I tell you, Steve? Some people just can't let themselves be happy with good news. There may be as many theories as to why as there are posters. A few interesting possibilities:

    a) They really are deep down inside happy about the new direction but are keeping up a facade because their pride won't let them publicly admit they were wrong.

    b) They really are good people but can't let that be seen in their words and actions because they have been brainwashed by the left wing cabal.

    c) They suffered some extreme psychological insult in the past and now have PTSD. Good news---ecstasy is now in phase 2 clinical trials and looks to be just what PTSDers need.

    d) They are just plain that stupid. Which brings up an interesting question. If abortion is okay, then why not abortion after birth? What is so magical about one side of the labia versus the other? (I should probably stop before I get in too deep to get out.)

    LBR?, Trump doesn't need to turn his business over to the kids or set up a blind trust. If you have lost your copy of the Constitution, I would be happy to give you one of mine. And since you are having trouble with the tax math, quietmike explained that very well as few posts back. Too bad he can't understand it for you also, but that is something you need to do for yourself.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 6:50 AM
  • Again, for the dullard liberals, a tax break is not a gift, it's letting someone keep their own money.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 6:54 AM
  • The Carrier deal is not a federal tax break. It's a payment of $700,000 a year, for 10 years, funded by the Indiana taxpayers thru the IEDC, which Governor Pence just happens to be Chairman of the Board.

    It's basically a corporate handout on the backs of Indiana taxpayers and a nice photo opt for Trump.

    A nice look at the smoke and mirrors we can expect from our soon to be reality show President.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 10:20 AM
  • Rocket valentine where did you learn of it being a "payment"? To me that says that the companies are getting a "check" from the state.

    If so, it is not a tax break, which would be disappointing indeed.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Dec 2, 2016, at 12:40 PM
  • Speaking of payments, how many poor, disadvantaged people could have been helped with the millions spent on useless recounts?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 2:08 PM
  • Why would Trump and his supporters oppose a recount,since they keep insisting the election is rigged?

    Trump is going to learn that words have consequences the hard way.He has no time for security briefings and has no clue about foreign affairs.He needs to stop tweeting and stop refusing briefings before he tweets us into WWIII.The situation with China is just a beginning and the idiot has not even took office yet.

    In Nov 178,000 jobs were created under Obama, Trump helps save 700 with a price tag of 7 million and call it a victory.What about the 1400 at Carrier that are loosing their jobs.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 3:09 PM
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    Liberal math: 1,100=700!

    At least LBR? is right about something. Words have consequences. And the consequences of "He won" is they will "get over it". Their only choice is how they get over it. They can keep drinking the hot chocolate and coloring in the books, or they can put on their big boy and big girl panties and join the real world. Up to them. Sadly, I think I know which way most will choose.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 3:18 PM
  • I will just keep drinking hot chocolate and coloring because impeachment day for Trump is certain,he is more reckless than Nixon ever was.Remember what he said "I can run the country and my business,presidents can't have a conflict of interest". He won the electoral vote but lost the peoples vote by the largest margin ever and he will never get over it.

    The poor working of America that voted for Trump will need big girl and boy panties when they loose their insurance. Kentucky folks are already crying.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 5:14 PM
  • I gotta stop reading my own posts but I guess I'll bite, why are Kentuckians "already crying"?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 6:52 PM
  • You mean those that oppose Trump should " Get Over It " the way Republicans " Got Over It " when Obama won by refusing to work ?

    Republicans have absolutely NO room to talk about big boy or big girl anything......They don't understand the concept...... Even when it is camouflaged as HUGE............

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 7:01 PM
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    Steve, be careful following her down the rabbit hole. The only way to really understand the looney left is to either be high, stupid, or crazy. And Emordnilap, of course a lot of Republicans (and others) had to quit working because of O'Bummer. That is usually something pointed out by the Republicans or others (like me) on the right. But if you want to brag about his job killing agenda, by all means be my guest. At least we put up with the bum, went on with our lives, and didn't have to protest, march, or riot.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Dec 3, 2016, at 8:28 PM
  • Fare; I hate to tell you, but I cannot see a lick of difference in Pale Dome, et al, reaction to Trump, and your reaction to Obama.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 1:11 AM
  • You mean those that oppose Trump should " Get Over It " the way Republicans " Got Over It " when Obama won by refusing to work ?

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    Refusing to work???

    Somebody needs to look at the voting map.

    The blue areas are cesspools of crime, laziness, and unemployment.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 4:37 AM
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    I'm sorry, laz. I guess I was just so despondent playing with my Play-dough and hanging out with the safety pin wearers that I didn't notice all the people wetting their pants marching in the streets, skipping classes, and institutions of higher learning refusing to fly the American flag. Maybe I can find a documentary on the bastion of fairness, Pubic Broadcasting System to remind me how it really was in the dark ages.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 7:00 AM
  • Obstruction and shutting down the government at the highest level is the Republican form of " Getting Over It ". Close National Parks and Monuments because your party's candidate didn't win ? Should be a crime, is complete laziness and the participants should be unemployed........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 11:59 AM
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    Your buddy b o is the one that shut down the parks. A little early for the revisionistic history, isn't it?

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 12:13 PM
  • Well, yes he did, but you have to ask yourself why ........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 2:38 PM
  • Will Trumps rules for companies moving out of the US apply to him.Will he put tariffs on his own products ties and clothes he makes overseas with cheap labor and sell to America?

    People in Kentucky are afraid of loosing their healthcare insurance.

    Trump was elected because some white Americans still have not got over having a black man as president.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 2:44 PM
  • Lets be real,

    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Obama 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side?

    Furthermore wasn't he basically raised by his white mother and white grandmother and abandoned by his Arabic father?

    And you think some white Americans still have not got over having a black man as President????

    I think rather maybe some white Americans are still waiting to see the day a black man is elected President.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 3:37 PM
  • Well, yes he did, but you have to ask yourself why ........

    -- Posted by Palindrome on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 2:38 PM

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    Because, like an overgrown child he threw a temper tantrum for not getting his way.

    Luckily he'll be gone in a little over a month

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 4, 2016, at 7:22 PM
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    It's not about a black president, or an arab president, or even a ******* president. Trump got elected because some white, some black, and some brown Americans haven't gotten over the fact that they will not lose their country without a fight. And as long as the left doesn't learn that simple fact, it will be fairly smooth sailing for the right. Nice that they got Pelosi to keep leading them down the track they are on. Be nice if the DNC gets that muslim from MI to run their show. Course I could understand if they wanted to keep the cheater donna brassiere.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 8:44 AM
  • Sorry quitemike I think you made a mistake,the overgrown child that has temper tantrums for not getting his way will take office in January.

    Fair share what does anyones religion as you said "that muslim" have to do with running the government?Mr Trump has proven how religious he is with comments like 2 Corinthians.

    And yes some have not got over a black president. When you have any black blood you are considered black in America.What do you think they mean when they say "take our country back".They will never give Obama credit for the good things he has done.If he cured cancer they would complain.Remember what McConnell said the day he was elected"Our main goal in congress is to make sure he is a one term president".

    Trump will go down in history as the Cheater in Chief.

    /

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 3:37 PM
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    LBR?, if you really want to get real, I didn't say anything about anyones' religion and running the guvment. I was talking about someone the DNC is thinking about getting to run the dummercrats. Big difference. Thank God. And it doesn't matter how much black blood obummer has or doesn't have. He is still the same ******* either way. If you can't see that, it is not your eyes making you blind. It is your mind. And as they say, a mind is a terrible thing to lose.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 4:14 PM
  • And yes some have not got over a black president. When you have any black blood you are considered black in America

    Posted by lets be real on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 3:37 PM

    Really???

    When did you come to that conclusion?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 5:08 PM
  • fair, any valid points that you try to make are lost in the childish name-calling and immature nicknames littered thru your posts.

    It's like trying to take seriously an irrational debate from a ill-mannered toddler. Grow up.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 5:49 PM
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    Thanks RV for recognizing my valid points. You need to understand that most people aren't as intellectually endowed as you are. 🤔 I try to speak to the masses. I just call it as I see it. Could I offer you a hot chocolate?

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 6:16 PM
  • Blessed Assurance the one drop rule was a Black Code passed in 1865 in the south eastern states.This prevented interacial marriage.Supreme Court ruled this unconstitutional in 1967 after the Loving V Virginia case.Some states refused to obey the law as late as 1998 in South Carolina and Ala in 2000.

    Fair share I always heard a mind is a terrible thing to waist. Why do you continue to waist yours defending someone as corrupt as Trump?

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 9:26 PM
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    Lbr?, what you always heard was "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". If you want to waist yours, go ahead and keep being a Trump hater. America will be great again with or without you.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 5, 2016, at 10:11 PM
  • lets be real,

    If you want to apply the one drop rule it would be safe to say that there have been many "black" presidents in the past.

    In 1865 Aunt Jamima was spreading more than pancakes and syrup on her table.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 7:25 AM
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    Looks like we got a hot sticky mess going on. Time to keep a stiff upper lip.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 8:06 AM
  • Blessed Assurance you are right,but this rule only applied to the black Americans. I am not saying I agree with it this is just history.Lots of Americans hid their black roots.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 11:27 AM
  • lets be real,

    You say this rule only applied to the "black Americans".

    I thought they were "black" if they had one drop.

    If a white person had one drop of "black" blood was he not therefore "black"?

    Seems to me they were putting a mighty high value on pure "white" blood???

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 5:28 PM
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    If white blood was all that valuable, wouldn't 1 drop of it make you white? I know for a fact that all blood is red. Some may be darker red than others, but that has to do with the persons' ability to breathe well, not the color of their skin.It is fine to be aware of and take pride in your heritage, but what is more important is the heritage you give to the next generation, and that is not based on skin color or DNA. It is based on the mind. And you better not lose it. Or "waist" it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 12:56 PM
  • fair share,

    You tell me??

    You have to admit one thing.

    According to the 1865 "one drop" rule that lets be real brought up you have to say that either "one drop" of black blood either tainted a "white" man down to "black" or propelled a "black" up to "white".

    Tell me the answer?

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 6:24 PM
  • Back in 1865 if you looked white and passed for white and the secret came out that you had black blood sometimes you were killed,especially if you married a white person.Some times it was the husband that had it done if his wife's heritage was found out.It all depended on whether you were exposed as to how you were treated.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 8:03 PM
  • Luckily we got past that ridiculous democrat ideology.

    Now if we can just get past the rest of it.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 9, 2016, at 3:16 AM
  • Yes. Democrats did lose that ideology years ago.

    Too bad Republicans picked the ball back up and ran with furious new speed.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Dec 9, 2016, at 7:24 AM
  • Which protest/riot over mistreatment of blacks has happened in a Republican run city?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 9, 2016, at 7:53 PM
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