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What is an appropriate response IF the hack on emails was a Russian government action?

Posted Thursday, December 15, 2016, at 9:56 AM
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    Shame on you, Steve, for hearing some "news". (Kidding) For the next 4-8 years the MSM is going to be in conniption mode. The only reason to pay any attention to them is for the laugh value. Of course Russia and other countries, even our friends, are going to hack us if they can. Just like we do to them. Reminds me of the old saying "do unto others before they can do unto you". Since Putin was quite happy with the way b o let him do what he wanted and shillary put herself out as b o 2, I don't really think Russia was helping Trump "make America great again". They were trying to do enough to make their presence known so the lightweights would freak out and do what they are doing now. It is how they have operated for years. The only difference now is we are in the midst of a blizzard---too many snowflakes around. If they really did hack the DNC emails, so what? The DNC should have had better security. But do people REALLY think the election is invalid because the voters were exposed to the TRUTH before the election?!?!?!? I feel very sorry for myself if I live in a country with people like that. And sadly, I know I do live in a country like that. But don't worry about me. We are on the brink of making America great again!

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 10:53 AM
  • You are right. I knew I was violating my OWN policy but the conversation caught me. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 11:49 AM
  • It is not just the US. The Russians are trying to destabilize all the Western Democracies. After all, the Western Democracies are all that stand in the way of their own dream of reconstituting the Soviet Empire (a sort of "make Russia great again" dream).

    The tools are different, but this is just a continuation of the sort of espionage campaigns that have been going on since the end of WWII. And, as Fare did acknowledge, the West is not just sitting on their hands. We will probably never be privy to all the goings on in cyber-warfare, but I am sure a counterattack is brewing.

    Pushing populist candidates, and nationalistic causes in the West has resulted in some early success, but it is a hopeful sign that Austria (where the EU is less popular than in most of Europe) just rejected their own populist candidate. There is a growing awareness among educated people that the "fake news" is flowing straight out of the Kremlin. (As an aside, I see a certain irony in people who reject the biased news from the so-called "mainstream media" swallowing the outright lies of the fake news; hook, line, and sinker)

    On the bright side, while we are stuck with Trump, he is not one of the politicians committed to an extreme right philosophy. I think the parallels to the campaign of 1920 will continue, when we elected Warren G Harding and ushered in the most corrupt administration in US history.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 12:11 PM
  • Right on lazarus.Trump is letting everyone know he will be playing by his rules whether right or wrong.He thinks he doesn't have to divest his business, he and his family can run the country and run his business,freedom of speech and press is not allowed if it criticizes him,he can make deals with foreign countries that profit his business all while congress looks the other way.He is moving Ivanka into the FLOTUS status in the FLOTUS's office where she can run her business right out of the white house and run the country for papa.I may be wrong but I don't believe Melania will ever move to DC.The republicans will make excuses for all of this and call it fake news.

    If Obama licked Putins boots like Trump does America would be outraged.Putin does not respect Trump or admire him,he sees a puppet he can use. Putin is a thug and a murderer and cares for no one,not even his own people.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 12:55 PM
  • Please don't choose me as an ally Mr/Mrs Reel. I often disagree with you, and I do not think the tone and tenor of your posts contribute to a good discussion. While I consider Trump unfit for office, he is not a boot licker. I believe that he will be easily manipulated and outmaneuvered, but if Putin were to offend Trumps ego, he would lash out with nasty twitters.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 4:34 PM
  • The Kremlin love Trumps pic for Sec of State,and stated"he is a Christmas gift from the American people to Russian people and could end sanctions".

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 5:34 PM
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    Come on laz. Seeing you lash out at lez like that reminds me of Thanksgiving dinner with family. Can't we all just get along and give peas a chance? Good thing we aren't talking this stuff on the other blog or *poof* it would be gone. But back on topic, if it is proven the Russian government did the hacking, the appropriate response would be to try to thwart them from doing the same or similar in the future. And screw some with their computers. It would not be appropriate tho to void an election because the voters were given truthful information before the election. But it is somewhat entertaining to see all those Hollywood types wetting their britches trying to get the electors to abandon their duty. They will really spaz out if their 1 in a billion ploy works and they realize it is their fault the armed uprising is keeping shillary from taking office.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 6:34 PM
  • The United States Intelligence Community (IC) is a federation of 16 separate United States government agencies that work separately and together to conduct intelligence activities considered necessary for the conduct of foreign relations and national security of the United States.

    These agencies all concluded that not only was Putin and the Russian government behind the hacking, but they were actively attempting to sway the American presidential election in favor of Donald Trump.

    Steve, I may be wrong on this, but it seems to me that you didn't ever find any of the unfounded claims about Hillary Clinton on Benghazi or her emails hard to believe, but given this information from our top intelligence agencies, you "have to take it at face value and HOPE there is truth in it".

    Of course we've always had spying and espionage. But this was an attack by a hostile foreign power on our most critical institution.

    But since it hurt Clinton and helped Trump, most Republicans think it's OK.

    Like Steve said, "maybe we should be thanking them".

    I guess that's one way of looking at things. We could also thank the guy that robs a bank, or breaks into your house, for pointing out those security flaws.

    Fareshare, I do understand you feeling sorry for yourself. But what you should also be sorry for is that you would believe the "truth" comes from the Russians and Wikileaks, and not your own government intelligence agencies.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 6:58 PM
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    Arvy, the truth I was talking about was the truth in the emails. Written by the dems, not the Russians. And the intelligence community may all agree that Russia had a hand in the hacking but they do not agree on the intent. Do you really believe that there were people intending to vote for the scumbag but changed their minds and voted for Trump because of shillyleaks? All that did was confirm what people already knew about her.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 7:21 PM
  • RV I believe you are right about me not commenting about Benghazi, but I think it was because I had not yet started providing posts for everyone to talk about these type of topics and therefore was not involved at all. I could be mistaken, so if you find I am mistaken, I trust you will point it out.

    I am not sure that Hillary's emails, the DNC or the RNC for that matter are our most critical institutions but to some, I guess. Nor would I compare it to breaking into my house, but .....

    My statement about thanking them also included a statement about the safety of the "cloud" and how we are told it is sooo safe. I for one do not think the cloud is safe. and see examples every day about how easy some folks can crack it.

    Nor do I put anything secure in e-mails. You would think people who want to rule the country would know more about that than me, but ... maybe not.

    THAT was my point RV. I feel compelled to correct things when people choose to use my words it for their own purpose.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 7:35 PM
  • It's also been reported that some of the emails had been doctored or completely falsified. So again, it all comes back to who you trust. Putin and the Russians?

    Their goal was to keep the email "scandal" front and center as long as they could, no matter if there was nothing there.

    And then when Comey came out just a week before the election with more bogus email stuff, it dominated the news.

    I think the emails definitely hurt Clinton. Now whether it cost her the election can be debated, but it could have been a factor.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 7:49 PM
  • I agree, and have no doubt it had some affect on those who were undecided. I also don't doubt some were "doctored".

    The danger of an unethical world we live in. I guess it existed in the "old days" but it seemed as if folks were more concerned about honesty back then.

    If someone was identified as a liar back then it was something to be ashamed of but now folks seem to just shrug.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 7:57 PM
  • Steve, the critical institution that I was referring to was not anyone's emails. It was our free and fair electoral process that was covertly manipulated by a hostile foreign government.

    Thanking Putin for doing that just seems a bit unpatriotic to me. Call me old fashioned.

    I also wonder what your reasons could be for doubting the findings of the United States top intelligence agencies.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 8:15 PM
  • I think that the main reason Russia is believed to have been trying to influence the election was that the RNC was also hacked but none of their emails were exposed. As I understand it, it didn't affect the outcome of the national election but did some of the Senate races.

    -- Posted by Tyger on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 8:20 PM
  • Hadn't heard that part Tyger. Will dig a little more.

    RV, none of those agencies have me on their speed dial (that I know of) so I have not heard directly from them, only the very "news" agencies I questioned in another post.

    Secondly, were those same agencies not part of the WMD reporting that led to Bush bombing Sadam? I know everyone likes to blame Cheney, but he could not have made those recommendations alone.

    And last, they are composed of humans.

    Last time, I did not thank the Russians for corrupting our political process. We do well enough on our own.

    I "suggested" we thank them for bringing to light how crappy our internet "security" is and how stupid our officials are if they don't think they can be hacked.

    If you have to have the last say on this, go to it. I'm done.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 8:55 PM
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    Steve, you may not have heard from them yet, but you can be sure they have their eye on you. 😎

    Tyger, attempts were made at hacking the RNC but they didn't get in.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 9:05 PM
  • Well, I will respond one more time. The Bush/Cheney team cherry-picked their "intelligence" on Iraq's WMD's and ties to al-qaeda. There was plenty of intel, including weapons inspectors that disagreed with their claims.

    And I'm sorry, I just don't remember you giving the same scrutiny to the Republican's investigations of Hillary Clinton.

    Fair share, the RNC has claimed they weren't hacked. (Of course). But many other top Republican officials and organizations were, including Senator Lindsey Graham.

    I guess we won't know the full extent until there is a complete investigation.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 9:49 PM
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    The RNC had the FBI check it out and were told they were probed but not breached. And the US wasn't the only country saying Iraq had WMDs.

    I gotta wonder if this whole Russian hacking thing would be a dot in the rear view mirror if old sick hilly had had enough energy and gumption to step foot inside Michigan or Wisconsin. Naw, probably not. Oh well, at least she had enough energy to buy a fortune of fireworks.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 10:26 PM
  • What if the parties had been reversed in this and it was the republicans that were hacked and it was thought possible Russian connections in voter fraud that may have been behind HER winning the election? Would the Republicans be as willing to shove it under the rug and act like it was nothing to be bothered over? If we look back to the last part of the election all we heard from Trump was how the election was being rigged, and how we could not trust things if he lost. Now that there are some very real concerns him and the right are all just fine, no concerns, everything to them is just hunky dory....

    I believe that as a nation we should all be very concerned about the implications, the world is watching, we have been the country that pushes for fair elections, we have been the example, pushing our way on others. Now we are facing a very questionable election, with many many examples of voter fraud, machine tampering, lost and thrown away ballots, gerrymandering,and and very concerning issues of Russia hacking of the election. True or false we must address all of these issues.If we are to be taken seriously we must sow the world either that this election was unquestionably fair and accurate or if there are issues that AS A NATION we will address the problems and fix it, calling out and taking actions against the guilty parties.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 10:44 PM
  • Who benefited from the hacking? Who continues to deny it happened?Who praises Putin and trashes our hard working people in the intelligence agency who risk their lives to keep us safe? Who refuses to show their taxes to Americans that might tie them to foreign countries?And it ain't the easter bunny.

    Trumps jobless pal Joe Arpaio is back in the news still ranting about Obamas birth.Don't be surprised to see him coming out of Trump tower and being offered Head of Immigration.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 11:08 PM
  • Trump claims the Russian hacking was not brought up till after the election.During his last news conference in July Trump said"the Russian hacking is a total distraction from other campaign issues and Russia If you are listening I hope you are able to find those 30,000 emails that are missing".He must have forgot he said this.this has been in the news since June.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 15, 2016, at 11:57 PM
  • I can vouch for the fact that email,facebook profiles, and even posting a ad on Craigslist are vulnerable to hacking.I once posted a ad on Craigslist for my living history group.What I received were nude pics,boots call offers,a hacked ad with harassment, a person using my email address for a adult dating site and my favorite, pics stolen from my Facebook page.I just delete and ignore the individuals and it is less of a problem now.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 12:09 AM
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    Wanderinghi, you need to cut down on the brownies. There is no evidence of Russia hacking the election and altering the votes. The discussion is about the possibility of Russian hacking of the DNC swaying some voter opinion prior to the election. I've seen no credible evidence they hacked into election computers and altered the results. I assume the election fraud you talk about includes the Detroit precinct where msw (mrs slick willy) got more votes than that precinct has voters.

    Lbr?, the "hard working people in the intelligence agency" are the ones trashing themselves by refusing to submit to constitutionally mandated congressional oversight by refusing to testify in Congress. The intelligence community should be above playing dirty politics.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 3:06 AM
  • I don't think anything that is kept in a computer is completely secure. In fact, I am sure that Microsoft and other software writing companies put in a back door for the purpose of being able to retrieve data. Remember the case of the government wanting Apple to provide the hack for the cell phone of the San Bernardino terrorists?

    The Russians probably did hack the computers. They most likely do everyday. As we do to them, and every other country. Apparently, in this case, their hack released the truth that the DNC was cheating. The GOP probably are also.

    As far as influencing the election, This doesn't come close to the effort that the Obama administration applied in affecting the Israeli election of Netanyahu.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 5:08 AM
  • I'm not a poster child for memory retention so.... now, what were we talking about?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 9:31 AM
  • "I assume the election fraud you talk about includes the Detroit precinct where msw (mrs slick willy) got more votes than that precinct has voters."

    You missed the most lurid part of the story, Fare, as widely reported in the alt-right news... There was not one precinct with more votes than voters; it was 37% of the precincts. Of course, you also missed other details. It was not Clinton receiving more votes than there were voters (voters meaning people who showed up to vote on the day of the election, not voters registered), there were more votes "counted" by the optical scanning voting machines. There were also about 20% of the precincts that tallied fewer votes than voters who showed up. The net total of additional votes was 366, not all of which were for Clinton, but it is a safe assumption that the majority were, since Detroit went to Clinton.

    Of course, the "problem" in Detroit was not an indication of "voter fraud," But more an indictment of the Optical Scanner voting equipment (which is, by the way, in wide use across the country). In the optical scanner system, voters fill out a paper ballot and then stick it into an optical scanner which records the vote. And it does so correctly, most of the time, unless the voter does not stick it all the way in... or won't release it... or did not clearly mark it... or the machine malfunctions. I am not impressed by the performance of the Optical Scanning systems, but the net error of a handful of votes is not going to swing even an election this close.

    I think most people without a background in accounting fail to appreciate the complexity of collecting and tabulating the vote in an election of this magnitude. Roughly estimated, there are 100,000 polling places in the US. These are using disparate voting systems, and are run by a wide variety of people. To be perfectly honest, except when the election is won in a landslide, random chance plays some part in the results of every election. It has long been believed, and the experience of accounting professionals would bear this out, that the multitude of errors that undoubtedly occur are largely balanced out. This is consistently the result you get with any large data collection system.

    In Michigan, since that is where Detroit is, the initial tally had trump winning by a razor thin 13,000 votes. After all the results of all the polling places were certified, his margin had dropped to 10,000 votes. Was this an indication of widespread pro-Trump voter fraud? No. It is an indication that the process of collecting and counting votes in an election of this size is an inexact science. Possibly, if we had the time and expert workforce necessary to pin down the counts to 99% certainty... say a few thousand professionals, per state, working on it until next November, we might find that Clinton actually won Michigan. But, that is not realistic.

    And so, in any close election (and this one was close as a barbershop shave) it comes down to voter confidence. Or, to be more precise, voters accepting the nominal results. This is what the anti-democracy forces, such as Russia, were hoping to prevent by "meddling" in the election (although getting Trump elected was a surprising bonus). I suspect that they wanted to be "caught", in hopes of shaking voter confidence in our elections. However, it does seem, even in these contentious times, that we will accept the results of our election (with varying degrees of satisfaction or distress). We will have, once again, an orderly transition of power. From a historical perspective, this is a remarkable achievement, of which every American should be proud.

    I would love to delve into the possible ways to conduct a more precise election, but that would result in an even longer (and more pedantic) discourse. I don't think anyone wants that!

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 9:57 AM
  • I'm not wishing to dampen the conversation but the original question is what would an appropriate response be if the hack was done by any government?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 10:03 AM
  • Steve; that is sort of like the appropriate response to spying... we should do it, too.... except we already are!

    By the way, the US was the first nation to successfully deploy a significant cyber weapon. Read about stuxnet, and be amazed. What is really cool; Iran's centrifuges were not connected to the internet and thus thought safe from such an attack.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 10:16 AM
  • I wonder how many other important sites and government top secret files have been hacked.

    -- Posted by beau maverick on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 10:19 AM
  • Steve, on my last entry there were 70 plus comments. Only a couple even mentioned the question I posed and not one answered the question!

    Why is it, do you think, the looney left et al, feel you and I exist only to allow them carte blanche to bloviate re their agenda? As you have seen, I almost never post an entry for this very reason.

    It seems not one of these people are willing to establish their own blog. I wonder why this is?

    -- Posted by cmcclanahan on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 10:39 AM
  • Carl, I directly answered your question in my first response. Evidently you had no facts to respond back. So like always, you took your ball went home with your tail between your legs.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 10:56 AM
  • The house intelligence committee tried to investigate but the CIA refused to brief them on the information they have.

    Hate those vast right wing conspiracies.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 2:10 PM
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    Hey Carl. You are way off topic here. Why don't you go back to one of your own sandboxes that you haven't taken down yet?

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Dec 16, 2016, at 4:29 PM
  • Fair Share the hypocrisy you show is humorous. T%rump screamed voter fraud for months, you guys were clamoring at his feet in agreement. Now that their is extreme actual events leading to that as a truth instead of just a crazy mans rants, with the election seeming to be your crazy mans favor you decide it is no longer important to be sure it was a fair and unhacked - rigged election. Can you honestly say that if the shoe were on the foot you would be bellowing that investigating fraud was uncalled and that everyone should respect the results and respect the outcome? If the electoral votes had matched the popular vote, you know those that went to Hillary would you personally, or any of the others here wanting to NOT investigate possible Russia interference or election rigging? You guys are so transparent in your hate and hypocrisy!! YOur will to blindly kiss Trumps fanny, no matter what he does, he has spit in the face of this nation with every step he's taken so far. What if Hillary was President elect and had her daughter and other family members vetting and picking her cabinet? YOu would be flopping like fish out of water in your fits. If President Obama had wanted the tax payers to foot a million dollars a day so his wife did not have to move in to the WHite House? What if his wife were a porn model that did lesbian nudes? What if President Obama expected to run multiple personal businesses while he had his people he chose without security clearance do his President elect duties?

    This goes so far beyond right vrs left, this goes toward national security, it goes towards the future of our democracy. NO PERSON OF ANY PARTY SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY AND BACKING TO SHOVE THEIR MIDDLE FINGER AT OUR NATION THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE WORSHIPING TRUMP FOR DOING !!!


    It is unacceptable the way you guys are willing to sacrifice our nation to feed you blind hate.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Dec 17, 2016, at 9:54 AM
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    Hey Hi woman, calm down. Or eat a snickers. Or maybe a brownie. Other than America gonna be great again, the best thing about Trump winning is seeing people like you react like this. Well, I gotta go make some popcorn.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Dec 17, 2016, at 1:50 PM
  • Wonderwhy,

    Before you accuse ANYONE of hypocrisy, you, and the other liberals should take a long look in the mirror.

    You guys are howling about foreign governments influencing the election, but I've heard nary a peep from any of the house liberals over Saudi Arabia giving massive donations to Hillary's campaign, some reports saying as much as 25 million.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Dec 17, 2016, at 6:52 PM
  • Mike, there's a reason you've heard "nary a peep" about Saudi Arabia donating to the Clinton presidential campaign.

    It just isn't true.

    Again, you're just repeating a lie you've heard without doing any research for yourself before spewing it back out and looking foolish.

    Saudi Arabia did donate 10 million to The Clinton Foundation back in 2008 (before Hillary was even Secretary of State) to help build the William J. Clinton Presidential Library.

    They also donated a similar amount to the George H. W. Bush Library.

    It's illegal for foreign individuals, corporations and governments to either give money directly to U.S. candidates or spend on advertising to influence U.S. elections.

    So any time you hear Trump or Faux News talking any B.S. about Clinton taking campaign money from Saudi Arabia, know that it's just that. B.S.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 12:20 AM
  • Saudi, and others didn't directly donate to her campaign, but donated to her "charity".

    Yeah that makes all the difference. Maybe to lawyers, but not to the voters, especially given her past history in "pay for play.


    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 1:57 AM
  • Off topic/ Have faith in the one who's birth we celebrate this month---After, He is running this show, like it or not--Lets ask for a peace-filled 2017! Merry Christmas to all my garden friends! HHP

    -- Posted by horsepoopperson on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 9:40 AM
  • Mike, your inability to absorb any facts show a form of "Conformation Bias Disorder" that you unfortunately share with a few of your other republican cohorts on these blogs.

    You first claimed that Saudis gave "massive donations to Hillary's campaign".

    Then given the facts that the donations were made to a separate charity, as they also were to the Bush's charity, you claim there is no difference.

    You refuse to acknowledge that the donation was also made before Hillary Clinton was even Secretary of State, let alone running for President.

    It reminds me of when Trump and his followers were trying to prove that President Obama was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

    Not only did the State of Hawaii produce a birth certificate, but they also found the birth announcement from the local newspaper from that date.

    Nothing matters. You're like a horse wearing blinders.

    And there has been accusations by republicans of Clinton's "pay for play", but never any real evidence or was she charged with any misconduct.

    On the other hand, we have your boy Trump. Who actually was found guilty of "pay for play" by the Federal Election Commission and fined by the IRS for illegal campaign donations.

    And you still want to talk about hypocrisy?

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 11:09 AM
  • RV, Hillary ran in 2008,and everyone above room temperature knew she was going to run again when obama was done.

    If the foreign donations to her "charity" weren't problematic, whay did Bill announce they would stop taking foreign donations after she was elected?

    No evidence of pay for play?

    Ahem. Algeria.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM
  • Btw

    It's confirmation bias.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 4:04 PM
  • That's very good Mike.

    Spelling it out and acknowledging it, is the first step to recovery.

    Now maybe you can think about checking out a 12 step program and going to a few meetings.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 5:36 PM
  • Funny.

    Just shows you're repeating what you've heard somewhere without understanding it, in this case not even understanding which word is being used.

    Clumsy dodge of the questions as well.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Dec 18, 2016, at 6:51 PM
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    Put the blame where the blame belongs!

    The blame goes to the Anti-Christ Government and its employees.

    Look at WikiLeaks for example. They are the ones who put out all the information about the hacked emails.

    The United States owns the internet so why didn't Obama just shut down the Wikileaks server? That would have stopped everything. Unconstitutional, yes , but add it is under investigation and the Gov does whatever it wants to.

    Russia hacking emails is an International Crime connected with Treason.

    What classified information did Russia hack and from who?

    All the emails were exposed on the news media so what was classified?

    I understand that it was Hillary Clinton's email server, the Clinton Foundation server and the National Democratic Convention.

    Do you see any connections there? They all are connected to Hillary Clinton's email server.

    What upsets me the most is that no one is saying anything about the classified information that Director James Comey said was on Hillary Clinton's email server. Now if Russia hacked her email and got all those classified emails, why wasn't it brought out by the news media who seems to know more than the FBI, the CIA and the Secret Service all put together. Not one word about Russia retrieving any top secret emails or even classified emails. Nothing said to link Russia with any espionage acts against the United States. Sounds strange to me!

    Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Russia received some secret stuff from Hillary's emails that would be of interest to them in the future and isn't actually working for the PEOTUS?

    Nah, that could never happen!

    All the investigation that the FBI did for months, DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY INFORMATION ABOUT RUSSIA HACKING HER Emails. That would be the same as Hillary providing Russia with every bit of information she had on her email server, the Clinton Foundation server and the DNC's email server.

    Wikileaks revealed that the DNC was as crooked as Hillary Clinton because it was connected to Hillary Clinton.

    How could the FBI investigate all those emails and not know that Russia was hacking them. Where did Wikileaks get the information? L@@Ks like the FBI didn't do their job, or Comey doesn't want Russia's name interfering with his criminal case against Hillary Clinton as soon as Obama gets out of office.

    The FBI has been investigating Hillary Clinton's email for roughly a year now and they wait until Hillary loses the election to say anything about Russia may have hacked something?

    It's all Government agencies that do what they want to and when they want to. They lie about everything their tar-baby hands touch.

    We won't know anything until Obama leaves the White House with all his cronies.

    All the democrats seem to be lining up to get mental help, but they say "You can't Fix Stupid"!

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    -- Posted by sui on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 3:34 AM
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    Watch your mouth Sui. That's pretty PIC of you. Wishing people Merry Christmas and all! Oh, wait a minute, I guess that is okay now , isn't it? Well then, no "Happy Holidays" for you guys. Merry Christmas to all! One helpful hint for making it better---keep your hands over your ears until after the electoral college vote today. Likely to be a tsunami of snowflake noise after shillary loses the election for the third time. If y'all want to talk about voter fraud and intimidation, shall we discuss the fecal drippings of the left that are threatening electors that have the gall to do their duty and elect Trump?

    Make Christmas Great Again!!!

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 5:56 AM
  • I hate to come along and tell you this now, Fare, but you could have always come on here and wished people a "Merry Christmas." It was not necessary to put a buffoon in the white house. However, your sincere gesture has also filled me with the spirit of the season...

    Make Carl's Blog Great Again!!!

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 10:12 AM
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    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 10:18 AM
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    I mean, except for those 2 specific ones?

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 10:19 AM
  • Reading Carl's blog is like traveling backwards thru time, as each trip seems to reveal an older post at the top of the heap.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 11:03 AM
  • Sui.....where have you been? lol you stated :

    "The FBI has been investigating Hillary Clinton's email for roughly a year now and they wait until Hillary loses the election to say anything about Russia may have hacked something?"

    yOU MAY LIKE TO READ THIS lol...KNOWLEDGE IS NOT A BAD THING, AND REALITY DOES NOT BACK YOUR GOOFY CLAIM...http://www.npr.org/2016/12/12/505261053/13-times-russian-hacking-came-up-in-the-presidential-campaign

    Oh Mikey, your really a hoot. Your inability to face and comprehend reality is obvious. You are totally incapable of seeing anything the right does from any manner other than blind hero worship. Yes there is hypocrisy, you attack the left for things the right has been proven guilty of, but refuse to see anything they do as anything but spectacular. YOu say Hillary misuse her Charity.. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

    but ignore Trumps crooked dealings. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16764 ( this is part of what they posted on his dealings; "On November 22, 2016, The Washington Post published an article titled, "Trump Foundation admits to violating ban on 'self-dealing,' new filing to IRS shows." For more information, please see The Washington Post article. "

    Then Micky you asked why would the Clintons stop taking certain donations if she were elected, well geeze silly that would be the right thing for any one in office to do...The same as they have in the past sold off and put their business holding is REAL blind trusts that they have no contact with or relationship with, to make certain their are no questions of conflicts of interest that could play in their official decisions. YOur hero trump thinks just having his kids take over, not removing his holds is the same thing, and then thinks its hunky dory to let the same kids sit in on offical government meeting with country leader he does business with.... WOw just think IF the CLintons had done that LOL tell me tell me Mikey would you think it was ok for Clinton to do what trump is doing? What if a democratic president wanted to put the family members controlling their blind trust in as their advisors and other official positions? I know you will just defect and not answer that, but it's ok we know you would go bat poo crazy about it.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 12:13 PM
  • SUI, oh please please explain this comment you made :

    "They lie about everything their tar-baby hands touch."

    and make us believe your not a rabid right wing racist

    ANd to follow that by saying Merry Christmas ...lol interesting mind set - spew ugly racist comment then wrap in up in an attempt to sound Christian.... doesn't work..

    At last you don't try to hide your hate. You would be a great candidate for the KKK. That anyone would actually put that sort of comment in their post and expect decent people to take them seriously is amazing.

    SUI all your questions about Russia and their interference in the election should have you screaming for investigation of it. I know you approve of investigations , didn't you back all the near uncountable investigations into Benghazi, which by the way was finally settled by the republican party admitting it was a witch hunt with out merit.

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 12:23 PM
  • Wonderwhy,

    Knowing your organic deficiencies prevent you from having a fair chance at debate, I'll leave you with this.

    Trump sucks. Everyone knows he was a bad pick, but he was still far better than Hillary.

    Hillary is the most corrupt, dishonest, inept, arrogant politicain to ever run for office.

    When even obama tells you snowflakes to stop looking for excuses to be offended, you know it's gotten bad.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 1:36 PM
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    Wanderhigh, where does the Constitution say the President cannot own a business? Legally there is no conflict of interest for him or the VP. Speaking of the President, anyone heard the results of the electoral college vote yet? And speaking of "Merry Christmas", if WH or any other lefties don't want to use that phrase, at least don't belittle Christians for doing so. I, for one, am happy to wish anyone a "Merry Christmas", even lefties and loonies.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 3:03 PM
  • No problem with Merry Christmas just think after the tar baby hands comment to act like a loving Christian like the guy did earlier says alot about the right wing mentality.

    And oh little Mikey LOL I knew you would deflect..If all that were true about Hillary she would have been prosecuted years ago, the multiple billions the right has spent on their manufactured witch hunt would have surely found something if it were there. You can spread all the manure you want but at the end of the day that is all it is - right wing manure and lies. Do you really think the right wing folks who have done the so called investigations are so inept they can not do the job, because if there was any facts to their claims they would have accomplished something by no other than waste tax payer money on the crazy hate mongering they have made their fortunes on attacking her. Really can you explain how with ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS THEY ACCUSE HER OF they have been unable to back any of it with the proof and facts needed to make it REALITY???

    And you Mikey do not debate - you spew talking points then deflect when asked to back yourself with reality....You say you think Trump is bad but you worship and back him, what does that say about you? Simply that your so party trapped that the devil himself would have your backing if they put a "r" by his name on the ticket....

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 3:29 PM
  • Wander Y; The "Tar Baby" is a character in an Uncle Remus tale, not a racist symbol. Sooey's usage of it is a little off, as the Tar Baby represents something that you cannot shake, once you have first touched it. I am not really sure I understand his reference, but that is not unusual.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 4:29 PM
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    As opposed to you can shake a real baby? BTW, last I saw, Trump was at 304 so time to stick a fork in shilly. Get the skates out. The soon to be river of tears will probably freeze.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 5:06 PM
  • Wonderwhy,

    As one who only spouts the liberal talking points, I'll let you in on a little secret.

    I voted for Johnson, who was also a terrible candidate for the LP,but wanted to show my support for them anyway, especially knowing Hillary would never carry TN.

    If you can find any of my replies worshipping Trump, post them up.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 5:15 PM
  • Trump and his trumpets will be the most crooked administration ever to hit the white house.Even his son offered to the highest bidder 45 minutes with his sister Ivanka for Eric Trump Charity.One offer was over $70,000.This was suppose to be for ST Judes. When you give to Trumps foundation they gives what they wants to charity in their name and use the rest for personal use and get tax write offs.There is a term for what Eric Trump did it is called "pimping out your sister".This is jut the beginning folks.

    Inauguration day should be interesting.Trumps campaign is offering ambassador ships to anyone who can get entertainers to perform.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 8:40 PM
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    Cheer up lbr. There is still hope for you and shillary. Maybe that goofy green party loon can raise a few million more to get a recount of the electoral college vote. On second thought, that would make her 4th loss. Never mind. There is no hope for you.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 9:55 PM
  • Yeah, the Trump campaign is having a tough time finding any performers to play at his inauguration.

    He's even been turned down by high school marching bands.

    So for now he's stuck with his fellow pedophile and draft dodger Ted Nugent (a.k.a. Uncle Poopy-Pants) and possibly he might get "Chachi" to sing the theme song from "Happy Days".

    If all else fails they could set up a brass pole and get Ivanka to do one of her old pole dancing routines.

    -- Posted by Rocket Valentine on Mon, Dec 19, 2016, at 10:40 PM
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    Sui.....where have you been? lol you stated :

    "The FBI has been investigating Hillary Clinton's email for roughly a year now and they wait until Hillary loses the election to say anything about Russia may have hacked something?"

    yOU MAY LIKE TO READ THIS lol...KNOWLEDGE IS NOT A BAD THING, AND REALITY DOES NOT BACK YOUR GOOFY CLAIM...http://www.npr.org/2016/12/12/505261053/13-times-russian-hacking-came-up-in-the-presidential-campaign

    That is exactly what I meant!

    I read all those accounts of Fake News by Unnamed Sources. If Russia hacked the voting machines, why did Obama stand up and tell us that was impossible for anyone to do after he was told about Russia hacking emails and Clinton's story about Russia Hacking private emails for names of people.

    What did Obama ever do while he was in office except to OKAY the killing of Bin Laden?

    Why wasn't something done about it? Today, it is just as open as it was in July. The people have not been told by anyone in authority what the truth is and we will never know, unless POTUS Trump tells us.

    Obama can't punish anyone except the American people, so what is the use of telling us anything? Sounds like Benghazi all over again doesn't it?

    I watch the News but don't put much into the tales of the reporters who have to make the news Exciting and Life changing.


    you asked: "SUI, oh please please explain this comment you made: "They lie about everything their tar-baby hands touch." "and make us believe your not a rabid right wing racist"

    You never heard any of the stories of Uncle Remus - brer rabbit and the brer fox?

    The "Tar Baby" was a little baby made out of Tar and turpentine by the fox so the rabbit would get stuck to it when he touched it.

    In the legal world - the court must provide you with a remedy or recourse or they deny you due process. Remedy gets you out of the case. A recourse is you way to recover any damages if you win the case. You can ask the court to provide the names of all the people who had a hand in bringing the case against you. These would be the people with Tar-Baby Hands. They touched the "Tar Baby" or had a hand in bringing the suit against you.

    I referred to the name Tar-baby, because once the employee works on your file they are supposed to sign their name to all legal papers. They usually don't as you can see by Hillary's investigations. But they are tied to the investigation in one way or another.

    I used that word on purpose to see how many Racist Democrats would jump on that.

    Only a racist Democrat would say that was racist. They have to know all the racist words to spit out at the right wing every chance they can. Man, did you jump on that one.

    Now don't get me wrong! There isn't anything wrong with being racist, bias, prejudice, or partial. That is a God Given Right that YOU have to stand up for if you want your rights to be protected.

    However, you can not injury someone with your racist and prejudices with hatred. You even have a right to hate others, you just can't injure them.

    Me, I like to get along with everyone, but some people won't let you. Then there are the ones who are just brain dead and can't help it.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 12:03 AM
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    I'm not through yet!

    We were talking about Russia interfering with the 2016 election.

    No voting machines were hacked that I am aware of, although there were remarks that a lot of dead people were voting in them again this year!

    As far as I know, all that was done, was done by WikiLeaks and it's sources (whoever they might be).

    In any case all that I saw was Hillary's emails coming to light and the voices of the DNC screaming in the emails at how they rigged the voting against Bernie Sanders. Poor Wasserman, having to take the fall for all the demos, but then falling into a job with Hillary's team.

    Did Russia or who ever hack Government sites? Can't prove any of that by me. If Obama didn't do anything to stop it or go after Putin, then why should be worry about Putin and his hacking Hillary's emails? Didn't congress ask for all those emails earlier and not get them. About time someone produced them, I say.

    Now here is where the real crime comes in! The democrats committed real crimes, some federal, by sending hate email and letters and threats on their lives to electors to change their votes to Hillary Clinton. Now that was interfering with the election process, and nothing said to the criminals. Just as well, because Obama would pardon them too, just like he did with those newly released federal prisoners serving life.

    Remember a few year back when Americans were complaining about Castro releasing prisoners from jail then sending them to America for us to deal with? And now our own POTUS is doing the same thing here in America but not sending them out of the country.

    And Last, but far from least, I saw Aleppo, Syria today in the news. It is just a hollowed shell of a large city and it was all caused by Obama and Hillary taking the weapons in Libya the very same night that Benghazi was attacked and sent them to the Rebels in Syria. Obama kept sending weapons to the rebels and Russia kept bombing them as fast as Obama could supply them, killing innocent Syrian families everyday in the bombings. They have no place to go, no food, no water, no bathroom. Most cases lately they are being attacked by Syrian troops as they try to leave.

    Obama has stirred up a hornets nest and has no answers for helping anyone. Obama's coalition has bombed Syrian Troops against their agreement, bombed the Hospitals in Syria killing doctors, nurses, helpers and patients and Syrian homes.

    For all you people who want to talk Christianity to me, I have to ask you, Where is the God you say is ruling the world and protecting the righteous from harm. The bible tells us that Satan is the god of this world, and you can see it everyday. God performs miracles everyday, but God has put Satan in charge of ruling the world.

    Archangel Michael defeated Lucifer by the Blood of Christ and God cast Lucifer out of heaven down to the earth to rule over the world. As proof, Satan offered Jesus Christ any Nation on Earth if he would worship him. Satan would not have been able to do that had he not been given rulership of the whole wide world.

    So in short, I don't see any problems with Donald Trump being our new POTUS!

    Oh yeah, Please do, have A Very Merry Christmas!

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 12:50 AM
  • Hillary lost the votes of four "faithless" electors, the most since 1872, when electors switched their votes away from Horace Greeley.

    Greeley was dead at the time of the electoral vote.

    I forget how many times Hillary has lost this election, but I've thoroughly enjoyed them all.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 3:19 AM
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    Sui, you are wasting your breath explaining racism to the alternative left. The only way they understand it is by calling everyone else a racist. But they sure did swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

    Quietmike, my count is 3 for this election alone. They have all been enjoyable. But my favorite is the first, 11/8. It was so much fun watching the talking heads sob their little eyes out.

    Uncle Phil, thanks for sharing your hypocrisy with us. I think it was the most recent blog that carl made vanish where you accused me of being childish for calling people names. Then you get on here and call Trump a pedophile and Ivanka a pole dancer? Priceless.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 6:31 AM
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    And then the next morning came and with it was a new report by James Comey explaining why he reopened the Hillary case.

    Today we find out that Hillary had 37 "CHAINS" of "CLASSIFIED" emails (not single emails) on her private email server.

    James Comey reopened the case because Huma Abedin downloaded all those emails onto her husband's laptop.

    So now we see that all those chains of "Classified emails" were on Hillary's server, the Clinton Foundation server, DNC Server and the State Department's server.

    Everyone but me and Trump are saying that Russia "Hacked" Hillary's email server. So where is the Proof?

    If Russia hacked Hillary's email then Hillary should go up on charges of espionage for having all those "CLASSIFIED EMAILS" on her server for Russia and every other country to download.

    But no, "NOTTA", NOTTA word have I heard about Russia downloading any "CLASSIFIED INFORMATION" from Hillary's email server. It seems that all the Brain Dead Officials can only say that Russia hacked into Hillary's email for the purpose of helping Trump win the election.


    Also while Obama is trying to convenience everyone that he did accomplish something during his 8 years in office, TRUMP is reassuring the rest of the world that better things are in store for the world when he gets in office. Now that is a LEADER!

    Mark my words, Hillary will be charged when Obama gets out of office and has used up all his pardons.

    -- Posted by sui on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 1:02 PM
  • When God cast Lucifer out of heaven he landed in the Trump Tower.

    Well step right up folks now you can get a private reception with papa Trump the day after the inauguration in exchange for anywhere from $500,000 - $1,000,000 donation for Eric and Don Trump charity.For 1 million you can go hunting and fishing with one or both sons.Real con artists.

    Sui Trump is not going to tell you anything.You will never know about his investments or whether he divested.He thinks he can do what he wants and Americans has no right or is to stupid to know.We don't know what countries he owes or how much.He said his supporters were uneducated so they don't care.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Dec 20, 2016, at 10:42 PM
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    lets be real;

    What ever happened to your fortune telling? You told us Trump wouldn't get the votes of the women, blacks, Mexicans and Muslims nor the Christians? Seems like you didn't know what you were talking about back then either.

    Maybe Trump will take out his pen and iphone and rule the country as a first timer. That has never been done before - or was it?

    No one done anything to stop Obama from spending all that money helping terrorist countries and destroying our country with Obamacareless.

    No one tried to impeach him for acting without the consent of Congress. SO I don't see anyone stopping Trump from doing whatever he wants to do.

    I for one look forward to seeing what all he will do to make America Great again.

    I know I feel much prouder now to be an American.

    I could care less about his business and what he does with it. If he makes another fortune by being the president, and I am sure he will, that isn't going to change my life one bit.

    He stands to make a fortune just because he has that big Hotel close to the White House. It has nothing to do with the White House of because Trump is the POTUS. It is close to the white house so foreign digs will no doubt stay there since it is close by.

    Maybe it was because Trump knew he would be POTUS one day so he built that Hotel where he did so he could make another Billion Dollars from his low IQ intelligence.

    From what you say, lets be real, it sounds like this Trump guy has it all together!

    -- Posted by sui on Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 1:57 PM
  • Trump did not win the majority of Americans vote,nor blacks nor Hispanics or muslims. he got a big push from uneducated whites first time voters. These are the same people who will be hurt the most by him and his billionaire cabinet members.His top cabinet picks sure do represent the make up of Americans LOL.

    When foreign digs stay there and he profits from this he will be violating the law.Sui are you saying you will be okay with Trump making business deals with other countries for profit that could jeopardize our safety?

    Trump should not have ran for president if he is not willing to put America before his business.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 11:12 PM
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    lets be real,

    Oh, you must be thinking of Obama not Trump! That is what Obama has been doing for 8 long years. It's time to turn it over to someone with a back bone and knows what to do.

    Trump is the POTUS and a multi-Billionaire. He is know and liked world wide, so there is nothing trump can do but sell his businesses to get them out of his name. After his terms in office he should be able to repurchase them.

    However, in the mean time, his name is still going to be recognized as the original owner and patronized. There is nothing he can do to shake the profits his companies will earn.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 1:22 AM
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    This morning after I heard about James Comeys remarks about Hillary's emails I heard this report.

    Isis has taken back Mosul and killing Christians and Muslims and Mosul citizens.

    Did you read that? Isis is killing Men, Women and Children and Babies too.You stupid Brain Dead Idiots don't seem to get that through your heads. Isis is killing everyone - men, women, children babies and old people too. And when they are through in Mosul, they will move on to another town and another town torturing and killing PEOPLE!

    How many more times does the Brain Dead Iraqi army have to retake Mosul before they learn they have to kill the cock roaches to keep them from coming back again and again?

    Do I make myself clear! You can't run Cock Roaches off. You have to kill them.

    You have to send boots on the ground and kill every last one of them and any family members with them.

    Obama has left it up to the Iraqi army and his coalition of idiots to do the work that takes our American Military Forces to do. Our Military has been trained to do the job. Put them to work to finish the job. When Isis is DEAD, and in their heaven (where ever that may be) with their 72 virgins, so will the home grown terrorists vanish for lack of any leadership.

    Isis is making wives of all the virgins they find now so where are they going to find all those virgins. If we killed 10,000 Isis fighter plus Obama's handful he killed with drones times 72 would be over 720,000 virgins. The angels are virgins, but they are all male angels. I think Isis is in for a big surprise.

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 1:57 AM
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    Come on Sui, couldn't we let the women and children live and just be more sincere and heart-felt when we ask them not to kill us? I know that hasn't worked yet, but if only we try harder next time, wouldn't it maybe work?

    ...............................Never mind. I just looked up the definition of "insanity"; and that is it.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 9:04 AM
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    A woman came here as the wife of a Port St Lucie, FL man. They drove up to Orlando, FL and murdered what was it, some 14 people at a Christmas party?

    Then there is the 23 year old who just stepped up to adulthood who stole a tractor and trailer, killed the driver and drove it into a crowd of people at a Christmas Market killing several and injuring several more.

    Women and children. See what I mean? What about the Babies? They will grow up to resent Americans. Wait! That is how the believe now!

    -- Posted by sui on Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 6:53 PM
  • Then there is the 22 year old white supremacist who walked into a church having bible study and killed 9 Christians,but no one worries or is afraid about the hate group he belonged to.

    Then there was an American ex-military vet who used a truck bomb in Oklahoma City at a federal building and killed 168 americans,some children, and injured 600.And lets not forget all the school shootings done by white americans,but that doesn't make me hate all whites.

    Americans are more likely to be killed by domestic terrorist than foreign.

    -- Posted by lets be real on Thu, Dec 22, 2016, at 10:56 PM
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