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Steve Mills

Will AOC be a one hit wonder?

Posted Monday, February 17, 2020, at 12:26 PM
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  • What do you think she (and the National Media) will do if she loses?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Feb 17, 2020, at 12:31 PM
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    If she loses they will have a crying jag the likes of which hasn't been seen since Nov 2016. But it will be lost in the midst of the 2016 repeat in Nov 2020.

    I doubt she will be beat. (Although she should be beat. 😏) Better chance of a D beating her in the primary than an R in the general.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Feb 17, 2020, at 1:14 PM
  • Still waiting for her one hit.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Feb 18, 2020, at 9:33 AM
  • I missed the part where she was a hit. She got inflated attention from the other side because she was an easy target.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Tue, Feb 18, 2020, at 2:50 PM
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    Steve, your article is from the ultra-conservative New York Post and it quotes a survey done by a anti-AOC political committee. I know it’s wishful thinking for Republicans, but the truth is that she’s very popular in her district and with Democratic voters nationally. Amazon ended up opening offices in New York after all, so her efforts saved the state $3 billion on that deal also. She’s going to be around for awhile.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 1:36 PM
  • RV, what is an unbiased news source you would recommend. I purposely did not choose Fox. I often go to the BBC but they are not covering her reelection at the moment.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 2:27 PM
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    We all know some news outlets have a well known bias. First research the outlet for reliability. The New York Post is actually worse than Fox. The Post is considered a tabloid. But whatever the outlet I always pay close attention to their sources. I also try to find a few different outlets covering the topic.

    Your only source for AOC’s possible unpopularity in her district (polls, disgruntled constituents) is from the “Stop AOC” political PAC.

    Very bias and unreliable.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 7:25 PM
  • What about the other members of her so called “group”? Will all of them have success?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 7:46 PM
  • Speaking of their re-election, why do you suppose Congressman/woman terms are only two years? I would not want to run for office every other year.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 7:48 PM
  • I agree with RV. I think she will be re-elected. A lot of the Democrats I talk to are openly embracing Socialism. They have bitten into the idea that "Democratic Socialism" is a good thing. So, AOC and Bernie are very popular among these types of districts.

    Socialism, including "Democratic" Socialism, is based on false philanthropy and stupid greed.

    I don't think MOST of America is that stupid yet, but obviously the heavily Democratic areas are.

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 8:18 PM
  • Or are we still voting a party line because our parents did? Some I fear are just voting against Trump, which is the primary point of the campaign and socialism second. In my opinion again. What can I say. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 19, 2020, at 8:40 PM
  • Personally, I think the party line has become a battle line. On one side are the Godless, immoral, socialist, and the other side being complicit. So, it is a choice of the lesser of two evils

    My parents voted "Democrat" as did I until Reagan. I remember, as a young soldier, all the rhetoric about him which proved to be false.

    My dad also changed about the time Clinton was elected. He said he used to vote Democrat because they were "for the poor man" but his experience had taught him that "they're trying to keep us poor".

    -- Posted by Liveforlight on Thu, Feb 20, 2020, at 5:26 AM
  • Speaking of their re-election, why do you suppose Congressman/woman terms are only two years? I would not want to run for office every other year.

    -- Posted by stevemills

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    Originally the senators were appointed by their state, so the house was a further check and balance, and a nod to democracy. The short term was so the house members would have to return to their district to campaign and be more interactive with their constituents.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 20, 2020, at 6:42 PM
  • Sounds like a good idea. But, campaigning and preparing for campaigning is a big drain of energy that could be applied to actually doing something. And we would not have to endure all the ads! LOL

    Maybe a three year term would have been better?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 20, 2020, at 7:08 PM
  • IMO-I'm glad they're not doing much, as they usually make a mess of what they do.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 2:00 AM
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    Right on quietmike. The less they have their hands in my pockets the better.

    I don't think it crossed the Founding Fathers minds that the positions of Senator and Representative might some day become a life long job. Back in the day they weren't professional politicians. They were professional farmers (shout out to mini mike), military, etc. They would do a few terms in service to the country, then it was back to their real life. It's a shame it ain't like that now.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 9:21 AM
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    Two years doesn't give them reassurance that they will get re-elected, so that will cut down on a lot of the lifetime corruption schemes of Black Mail, Bribes, Kickbacks and Hidden Interests which they may not be in office to receive down the road in two years.

    Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?

    If you have been watching and more importantly, listening, you will know that President DoJ Trump has full intentions of criminally prosecuting the Main Stream Media Players for their part in the Coup against him with Sedition charges. There goes the Fake News!

    If you have done the crime, you're gonna do the time. That's what I'm talking about!

    Trump isn't playing, "the Game is Over" and it's almost "Showtime"!

    The Deep State wants you to believe there is a Fake "Q" Conspiracy. There is a "Q" Conspiracy and it is lead by Donald J Trump with (of all things) his Tweets and Rallies. That is why it is successful. The Deep State and the sheep have no idea what Trump is really saying with his tweets to his private army of American patriots. The (DS) and their sheep just make fun of his tweets, because they make no sense to the sleeping sheep.

    His patriots Know what is coming and How, but no one knows the Time nor the Day! All we have been told is "It's Showtime".

    The DUMBS (Deep Underground Military Bases) and connecting Tunnels have been cleared out and destroyed, so the rats can't use these underground tunnels to get away at harvest time.

    These are Federal Indictments so we don't have to wait until after the election to see the Military in our Streets.

    Don't know how many Senators and Congressmen/women will still have a job after the arrests.

    V E R Y I N T E R E S T I N G!

    Will AOC be a one hit wonder???

    (Outlook not too good! Ask again later.)

    -- Posted by sui on Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 1:59 PM
  • AOC is not our US Rep. Scott Desjarlais is. When is the last time anyone saw him in Bedford County? What legislation has he sponsored, or signed on to, what committees is he on - and does he attend committee hearings, and what other initiatives has he pushed for his district? We probably know more about AOC than we do our own US Rep.

    -- Posted by tcreek on Sat, Feb 22, 2020, at 12:24 PM
  • I don’t know much that either one of them have done except for what news coverage tells us, although I thought Desjarlais was here a few months ago.

    You sound like you have a candidate in mind tcreek, or just do not like Desjarlais?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 22, 2020, at 2:25 PM
  • What legislation needs to be sponsored? The feds have their fingers in too many pies already.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 22, 2020, at 7:37 PM
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    Doesn't anyone listen to Trump?

    Trump is draining the swamp of these corrupt politicians and when the mass arrests are over and he announces the nesara law, he is stepping down and letting the people run the government. I can see it now! Everyone will be scared because Trump handed the Government back to the people and they don't know what to do with it. There won't be any deep state to run the country any longer.

    The people want Trump out but when he steps down and gives it to the people there goes the government again.

    -- Posted by sui on Sat, Feb 22, 2020, at 11:03 PM
  • No candidate in mind. People complain about AOC - but she is only one of 450 US reps. DesJarlais is our Rep., and if we have concerns with the federal government, we should address these concerns through him. DesJarlais is on the Ag. Committee - if you have concerns there, he is your guy. It is best though to have a group of his constituents (us) addressing specific portions of bills or committee initiatives.

    -- Posted by tcreek on Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 1:48 PM
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    “Dr.” DesJarlais. Your Republican representative that had multiple affairs with his patients and co-workers and pressured one to get an abortion after he knocked her up.

    Maybe you should ask yourselves if he “reflects your views”.

    Oh wait...that’s different...he’s a republican. Right?

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Tue, Feb 25, 2020, at 12:26 PM
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    Well, at least he isn't a communist.

    -- Posted by fair share on Tue, Feb 25, 2020, at 12:30 PM
  • RV you make a good point. No, he does not reflect my values if the details as we know them are accurate.

    I also do not know his heart today to know if he has made peace with our Lord, been forgiven, nor if he has mended his ways. Again, assuming all is as reported. I also know that I was not always the “angel” I am now (sort of), but trust I have been on the right track many years.

    In a pristine world we would not be tempted to look the other way at the ballot box, but the National leadership of the Democratic Party has scared the heck out of me lately as well as disappointed me. To give them more chance at power influences my choice when it comes to National affairs.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 25, 2020, at 2:25 PM
  • Or are we still voting a party line because our parents did? Some I fear are just voting against Trump, which is the primary point of the campaign and socialism second. In my opinion again. What can I say. :-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 26, 2020, at 11:03 AM
  • I can swear I remember when Clinton's "indiscretions" were being discussed, pundits were saying "it's the economy, stupid".

    Dems re-elected a mayor seen smoking crack on video.

    There's a current 13 term Florida rep who was a former federal judge, that was impeached and removed for soliciting bribes.

    No outcry when Barney Frank and his boyfriend were running a prostitution ring.

    No moral outrage when drunkard Ted Kennedy left his pregnant girlfriend to drown.

    Oh, that's different they were/are democrats. Right?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Feb 26, 2020, at 10:54 PM
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    Not to mention a different Kennedy sticking it to Marilyn Monroe, in more ways than one.

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Feb 27, 2020, at 12:44 AM
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    Mikey, the House Ethics Committee investigated the prostitution allegations against Frank and found they were fabricated. Kinda like the Hillary Clinton child sex ring that was supposedly run in the basement of a pizza parlor. But nice try at your “what-about-isms”. I’m kinda surprised you didn’t throw in Hillary’s email’s as an excuse too. I guess as long as you can point a finger at Clinton getting the BJ from Monica, or the thing with Kennedy that happened 50 years ago, then voting for a guy that had multiple affairs and pressured his mistress to get an abortion is ok with you. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Thu, Feb 27, 2020, at 11:44 AM
  • Do tell RV.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-one-thing-no-one-is-mentioning-in-their-barn...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/gobie2.htm

    You didn't mention Alcee Hastings or Marion Barry.

    Leftists can overlook a multitude of sins if the sinner is promising enough freebies.

    It's no different when they moan about the plight of children, while celebrating killing their own children to avoid the consequences of sleeping around.

    Hypocrisy is a prerequisite for being a modern lefty.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Feb 27, 2020, at 5:23 PM
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    Mikey, and this coming from a guy that will support and vote for a guy whose ex-wife had two abortions and pressured his mistress to have another. The republican motto..”Do as I say, not as I do”.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 5:01 AM
  • I think there is enough hypocrisy on both sides since we are human. It is the overall actions, policies and direction of the National parties that bother me most.

    I align most with Republicans but still consider myself independent of that party if their policies go against my beliefs. Therefore, if I thought the Democrats had a better candidate that could stand up against her/his own party when it was wrong, I would vote for them.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 7:35 AM
  • RV

    I support republicans because I have no need to shirk personal responsibility or get free stuff.

    As for the abortions, if it was left up to republicans, abortion would be outlawed. But personal responsibility and consequences are anathema to lefties, so we can't have that.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 7:40 AM
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    Mikey, 16 of the 20 states that receive the most welfare and food stamps are republican run red states. That includes Tennessee. When are you republicans going to pull yourselves up by the boot straps so the Democratic states can quit paying your way?

    And DesJarlais was a big anti-abortion guy too, until he knocked up his secretary. That’s how republicans work.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 8:29 AM
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    RV, I know comrade burney's platform of " everything free, Free, FREE!" sounds good to people like you. It might even sound good to me if I didn't know the rest of the story. The burney bois don't tell you the one and only thing that won't be free in his regime: you.

    Just kidding. Even if I didn't know the rest of the story, I still wouldn't think it was a good idea to live off the government. Which means living off other people. Because I know that the government doesn't intrinsically have any money or things. Anything they would give me that I didn't earn for myself would be something they had taken away from someone else who did earn it but won't be able to use and enjoy it. And I just can't make myself stoop to that level and treat my fellow man so poorly.

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 9:58 AM
  • RV

    Once again states don't vote, people do, and people who don't work to support themselves overwhelmingly vote democrat.

    California is the liberal wet dream of a state. Every hare brained idea is funded with enthusiasm. Cali makes up 12% of the US population, 25% of the homeless, and 33% of snap users, and has the highest poverty rate in the nation.

    Once again, if not for dems, "entitlements" wouldn't exist.

    The left only offers the opportunity to dodge responsibility and get free stuff. I've challenged you to name something else they offer, for over 10 years, and all you've come up with is excuses.

    But I'm sure it's just wild coincidence that it's the same people claiming they have a right to force others to pay for their welfare, healthcare, and other freebies who said not too long ago they had a right to force people to pick their crops.

    Nevermind every inner city slum has "enjoyed" uninterrupted democrat control for decades and they're still slums. There isn't one example of a crime infested, poverty stricken wateland that was turned around by liberal policies. The opposite can be shown all day, once prosperous areas that turned into slums after democrats took over.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 1:21 PM
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    Mikey, when you say “states don’t vote, people do”, that must mean you agree that the electoral college is worthless and Hillary Clinton should actually be President since she got 3 million more votes than Trump, right?

    States don’t vote, people do!

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 2:22 PM
  • RV

    Why am I not surprised that a lefty doesn't understand the constitution?

    That 10y.o. question still stands.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 2:44 PM
  • RV I don’t recall you endorsing Bernie. Did you? Being Democrat isn’t being for Bernie, yet, and if that occurs I think many will look elsewhere. Just guessing of course.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 3:33 PM
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    Those are your words Mikey, not mine. When I gave you the simple fact that republican run red states are the biggest recipients of welfare and food stamps, your only defense is, “States don’t vote, people do.”

    If that’s what you truly believe then Presidential elections should be determined by the people and not a State system. Why do you always deflect from direct questions. You did the same thing when I asked how you could support someone like DesJarlais. Deflection and what-about-isms is all you have. Weak.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 3:46 PM
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    Steve, I’m voting for Buttigieg. I like his ideas and policies. I like the fact that he’s military war veteran and he’s smart. Biden is my second choice, I like his experience. I’m not a big Bernie fan, but I’ll definitely vote for him over Trump.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 3:54 PM
  • Why do you always deflect from direct questions.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine

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    A laughable assertion from someone who still refuses to answer a 10y.o. question.

    Your claim of red states being the biggest recipients of welfare and food stamps is one you can't back up. The study you're thinking of says red states receive more federal funding, which is quite different. All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.

    As to your assertion that I didn't answer about DesJarlais, if you'll scroll back up to see, I said I'm not looking to shirk responsibility or get free stuff, so that narrows the choices considerably.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 4:02 PM
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    Mikey, I can post multiple links to statistics that show 8 out of 10 of the states that receive the most welfare and food stamps are republican run red states, but I just figured you might know how to use google all by yourself.

    As for your stupid “10 yr. question”, I wrote out a detailed response to that (10 years ago), and answered it thoroughly. So I won’t post multiple links to statistics that you can research yourself, and I won’t answer your same stupid question multiple times either. You’re going to have to learn to take some personal responsibility sometime in your life.

    -- Posted by RocketValentine on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 4:41 PM
  • Buttigieg is a well spoken, seemingly intelligent person. I only say seemingly because I do not know him very well, but some of his policies and admiration of Bernie has me wondering a bit.

    I also like that he is not one of the party elite. A president alone will not break the Nation. I don’t attribute as much to Trump as the Democrats either.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 5:40 PM
  • RV

    You told that ridiculous lie before. You have NEVER given an example of something the left offers that isn't based on shirking responsibility and getting freebies. Not a single time or example.

    Since you refuse to answer, and continue to lie about it, let's go case by case.

    Social security, medicare, medicaid, obamacare, government housing, welfare, food stamps, abortion, gun control are a few existing holy grails of the left, and all are based on the above.

    Then look at some of the campaign promises of the current crop of candidates. Student loan forgiveness, government funded college, government funded child care, universal basic income, single payor healthcare,... just more of the same.

    Since the left only offers abdication of responsibility and freebies, that leaves three reasons to support them.

    1) You're a deadbeat loser looking to shirk responsibility and get free stuff (your welfare bums and other freeloader types fit here)

    2) You're too indifferent, lazy, or dense to look past the talking points and see what lefties actually do. (Sadly this is probably the largest group ie useful idiots)

    3) You're looking to control and/or exploit the first two groups. (politicians, media talking heads, and liberal arts professors fit here)

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 6:22 PM
  • When we start calling names, this conversation loses many readers. I am interested in sharing thoughts, even though we disagree.

    If I have called names or tries to belittle anyone, PLEASE point it out. I wish to stop it and appreciate everyone’s help n keeping these “conversations” civil.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Feb 28, 2020, at 7:44 PM
  • Steve; I cannot remember you ever resorting to name calling. I don't even remember you failing to listen. It is a shame people do not realize that when they start name calling they have lost the argument... So it is not easy to get involved in a discussion where everyone is losing.

    Anyway; while it might be entertaining to debate a point based on gut feelings, sometimes facts are better. Food stamp usage by absolute numbers does not mean much, since the states vary widely in population. However, the percentage of the population using food stamps is more enlightening. Assigning colours to the states is more dicey, but I went with states that historically vote one party or the other as red or blue, and those that go back and forth are swing states:

    state % on food stamps

    1 Red wyoming 4.9%

    2 Red Utah 7.1%

    3 Red North dakota 7.3%

    4 Swing New hampshire 7.3%

    5 Red Kansas 8.2%

    6 Red Nebraska 9.3%

    7 Blue Minnesota 9.4%

    8 Swing Indiana 10.0%

    9 Red Idaho 10.1%

    10 Swing Colorado 10.2%

    11 Blue New Jersey 10.6%

    12 Swing Virginia 10.7%

    13 Red South Dakota 10.8%

    14 Swing Iowa 11.8%

    15 Red Montana 12.2%

    16 Red Missouri 13.1%

    17 Red Kentucky 13.1%

    18 Blue Wisconsin 13.1%

    19 Red Arkansas 13.7%

    20 Red South carolina 14.1%

    21 Red Arizona 14.4%

    22 Swing Ohio 14.6%

    23 Red Texas 14.7%

    24 Blue Vermont 14.8%

    25 Blue Maryland 15.0%

    26 Red Alaska 15.1%

    27 Blue Maine 15.1%

    28 Blue Michigan 15.4%

    29 Blue Connecticutt 15.4%

    30 Red Tennessee 16.1%

    31 Blue California 16.2%

    32 Blue Delaware 16.3%

    33 Blue Washington 16.3%

    34 Red Georgia 16.8%

    35 Blue Massachusetts 17.3%

    36 Blue Hawaii 17.6%

    37 Blue Illinois 18.2%

    38 Red Oklahoma 18.3%

    39 Red Alabama 18.4%

    40 Blue Pennsylvania 18.6%

    41 Red Mississippi 18.7%

    42 Blue Florida 19.2%

    43 Swing Nevada 19.7%

    44 Blue New York 20.1%

    45 Blue Oregon 21.1%

    46 Red Louisiana 21.4%

    47 Blue Rhode Island 21.9%

    48 Red West Virginia 22.0%

    49 Blue DC 22.8%

    50 Swing New Mexico 28.1%

    To give a comparative ranking, I added all the rankings for the Red, Blue, and Swing states, and averaged them. Red States averaged 21.45 place. Blue averaged 32.00... but the swing states were at 20.38. So, people who are not ideologically locked are the least bums of all.

    Then I did the same thing by region: The West averaged 17.07 and the South .... 33.60, bigger bums than even the Blue states!! The Midwesterners must be ambitious as well, with an average of 18.29. The Northeast is only slightly more ambitious than the south, with a 31.09. The only people lazier than southerners... the west Coast, with an average of 36.33.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 2:02 AM
  • If it's considered "name calling" to accurately describe a person or situation, then mea culpa.

    Which cities have the highest murder rates?

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/highest-murder-rate-cities

    Most dangerous cities...

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/blog/top100dangerous

    Most racially segregated cities...

    https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/money/2019/07/20/detroit-chicago-memphi...

    Now it could just be wild coincidence that democrat run areas are over represented in the above lists, and the compilation Lazarus listed, or it could be by design.

    It's long been said that democrats are for the poor and republicans for the rich. The hidden implication of that being dems have a vested interest in maintaining and expanding the poverty class, lest they lose their constituency. Nevermind a disarmed, dependent underclass is easy to control.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 4:22 AM
  • Thanks for the thought provoking posts. There were some real surprises. I am actually not surprised that the south has more food stamp usage. However I can’t put into words why.

    What is with Pine Bluff, AR? I believe they made all your violent and Murder charts. And Birmingham? I’ve never experienced a problem there but I never wandered around much either.

    I need to study theses posts more from a computer.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 7:22 AM
  • What is amusing to me, Steve, is the power of Confirmation Bias. People only see the data that supports their premise. From a purely mathematical perspective, the list above does not support the premise that being Blue or Red States determine the level of food stamp usage. What it demonstrates quite clearly is that such usage is purely regional. If you eliminate the West, It is the Red states that have the most food stamp usage. You can change the relationship between Red and Blue states merely by adding or subtracting regions.... However, you cannot change the status of a region by adding or eliminating Red or Blue states.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 9:41 AM
  • You would think that numbers can’t lie but we find a way to “spin” them to say what we what. I learned that in a college statistics class. (That’s about all I could understand)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM
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    Steve, did your stats class teach you there are lies, damm lies, and statistics? Mine didn't. But I learned it by paying attention.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 11:57 AM
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    Lazarus,

    "It is a shame people do not realize that when they start name calling they have lost the argument..."

    Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 2:02 AM

    "Then I did the same thing by region: The West averaged 17.07 and the South .... 33.60, bigger bums than even the Blue states!!

    Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 2:02 AM

    You lose!

    😆😅🤣

    -- Posted by fair share on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 12:13 PM
  • Yep! Lazarus lost fair and square.

    -- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 4:51 PM
  • What is amusing to me, Steve, is the power of Confirmation Bias. People only see the data that supports their premise. From a purely mathematical perspective, the list above does not support the premise that being Blue or Red States determine the level of food stamp usage.

    To give a comparative ranking, I added all the rankings for the Red, Blue, and Swing states, and averaged them. Red States averaged 21.45 place. Blue averaged 32.00

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    Those two clips were written by the same person, within a few hours of each other. Will he next write about sovereign citizens and political body doubles?

    To be fair state usage of food stamps and welfare doesn't tell the whole story. Tennessee is rated pretty high, but does anyone believe those numbers aren't driven by Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, and Knoxville?

    Those freebies wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the democrat party. FDR realized he could buy votes by giving people tax money, then it was downhill from there.

    Once again, dems talk a good game, but where are the results? Which place used to be a slum but was turned around by liberal policies?

    Their whole premise is nonsense. (insert pet cause) is too expensive so government will take it over, add a bloated bureaucracy, eliminate competition (monopoly anyone), and somehow make it cheaper?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 6:39 PM
  • I accept my defeat, mike. Should have remembered to insert "Tongue in Cheek."

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 10:05 PM
  • " does anyone believe those numbers aren't driven by Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, and Knoxville?"

    I am sure that is what you believe. If you break Tennessee into the basic 27 Metro Areas (Listed by the names of the main cities in those areas)here are the numbers:

    1 Brownsville 27.3%

    2 Newport 26.7%

    3 Union City 20.7%

    4 Paris 20.5%

    5 Morristown 20.4%

    6 McMinnville 20.1%

    7 Shelbyville 20.0%

    8 Dayton 20.0%

    9 Athens 19.6%

    10 Martin 19.6%

    11 Dyersburg 19.3%

    12 Lawrenceburg 18.8%

    13 Memphis 18.5%

    14 Greeneville 18.3%

    15 Jackson 18.3%

    16 Crossville 17.7%

    17 Kingsport 17.5%

    18 Johnson City 16.4%

    19 Cleveland 16.3%

    Statewide 16.1%

    20 Sevierville 16.1%

    21 Tullahoma 16.1%

    22 Lewisburg 15.3%

    23 Knoxville 15.2%

    24 Chattanooga 14.7%

    25 Clarksville 14.4%

    26 Cookeville 13.4%

    Whole USA 13.0%

    27 Nashville 12.7%

    Three of the four Metropolitan Areas you named are below the statewide %. Out of the entire state, only Nashville is below the national %. The high food stamp usage in Tennessee is driven by the rural areas.

    However, you are particularly focused on just the 4 big cities. Even though their numbers are driven up by the percentage of the affluent people who work there, but live outside the city itself, in places that vote Republican.

    I don't have the time to key in all the data, but if you listed the 50 largest cities in the state, stripping it down to just the 4 Democrat run cities: Memphis is 14th in the state for food stamp usage. Knoxville 18th, Chattanooga 20th, and Nashville is 29th, despite having the affluent part of their population living outside the city limits...Shelbyville is second in the state for food stamp usage, having a lower percentage of food stamp users than only Crossville.

    If We look at it county by county; Only Shelby county, of the four you listed, has a higher % of food stamp users than statewide.

    No matter how you cut it; the four cities you blame for our high rate of usage actually are keeping it down. In Tennessee, the high percentage of food stamp use is driven by the Republican Voting parts of the state.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sat, Feb 29, 2020, at 11:15 PM
  • I don't know where you got those numbers, but this site shows all 4 named cities using food stamps above the state average.

    https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Tennessee/Food-Stamps

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 1, 2020, at 12:12 AM
  • BTW-Still waiting on your metrics for a successful president.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 1, 2020, at 12:14 AM
  • "I don't know where you got those numbers, but this site shows all 4 named cities using food stamps above the state average."

    Where does it show that?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Sun, Mar 1, 2020, at 1:51 AM
  • Most food stamps by place (#6). My bad, nashville is slightly below average. Memphis, Knoxville and Chattanooga are above state average.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Mar 1, 2020, at 3:18 AM
  • Can I be a cheerleader for a second? Good discusdiin. Thanks!!

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Mar 1, 2020, at 6:48 AM
  • Sorry for the delay, I was traveling today.

    It is true that chart does show the 4 big cities above the state average. It also drives home the point about confirmation bias.

    That is the only one of the three ways the state is broken down that shows the 4 big cities above the average. And the way it does that is by stripping away the affluent suburbs and listing them separately.

    Look at the cities that are listed below the state average:

    Bristol-Rural

    Oak Ridge-Government Research Facility

    Eat Ridge-suburb of chattanooga

    lavergne-suburb of nashville

    nashville

    clarksville-military base

    red bank-suburb of chattanooga

    smyrna-suburb of nashville

    goodletsville-suburb of nashville

    murfreesboro-the 5th big city

    soddy daisy-suburb of chattanooga

    maryville-suburb of knoxville

    seymour-suburb of knoxville

    cookeville-college town

    middle valley-suburb of chattanooga

    mount juliet-suburb of nashville

    hendersonville-suburb of nashville

    bartlett-suburb of memphis

    franklin-suburb of nashville

    collierville-suburb of memphis

    lakeland-suburb of memphis

    germantown-suburb of memphis

    spring hill-auto plant

    farragut-suburb of knoxville

    arlington-suburb of memphis

    brentwood-suburb of nashville

    My point that the rural cities are driving our high rating is hardly contradicted by that graph. 21 of 22 are above the state average. And that one is just barely below by one place. The cities below the average are, essentially, the affluent parts of the 4 big cities. Without the big cities, those affluent places don't exist. How far would Shelbyville fall, if you pulled out Riverbend, and a few other select neighborhoods?

    SO, the cities above the line:

    1-6 rural

    7 memphis

    8-17 rural

    18 knoxville

    19 rural

    20 chattanooga

    21-25 rural (well, tullahoma has a research facility)

    The big 4 are well below the rural cities in food stamp usage. Even with the affluent part of the population peeled away.

    Confirmation bias is only seeing any statistic that supports your pre-determined belief, and simply ignoring the rest. For what it is worth, the results surprised me, too. I would have been willing to bet that those 4 cities had the highest food stamp usage... but that is why i look to see.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 12:08 AM
  • So you think Riverbend is a big democrat stronghold?

    Those affluent suburbs as well?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 2:57 AM
  • I’m not sure that was Lazarus’ conclusion. Just that the rural areas are pushing the numbers more than supposed.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 6:29 AM
  • The debate was whether blue areas use welfare more. The suburb stuff was distraction.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 11:02 AM
  • The debate was whether blue areas use welfare more. The suburb stuff was distraction.

    The answer would be no. The red, rural south seems to use more food stamps than anyone.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 1:57 PM
  • Hate to break it to you, but the city of shelbyville, by definition, is not rural. Flat Creek, Raus, and Pleasant Grove are, but a city isn't.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 2:16 PM
  • Since it doesn't look like you cared much for the last comment, what about the assertion that shelbyville is red?

    Is that because Trump won shelbyville? Look at the makeup of the city council,and other local officials.

    That's why I said looking at states and localities doesn't tell near the story as looking at individuals.

    Some of our lefties would have us believe they favor freebies while not being the majority users. But then why don't they show that level of selflessness about gun control, school choice, or any other issue?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Mar 4, 2020, at 6:13 PM
  • I don’t think local offices relate to national but that might not be what you are meaning. It has been a long two days and the old mind is mushy.

    I often vote Democrat locally but rarely for National.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Mar 4, 2020, at 7:41 PM
  • How a city or state votes for a president (usually what determines a red or blue area) really means very little.

    Few jurisdictions have 100% voting for one candidate, except for a few blue areas who manage 100+% of voter turnout.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 5, 2020, at 3:00 AM
  • Intensive care units in Italy are being urged to stop treating elderly patients to save resources on younger patients with better odds of survival.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1254101/Coronavirus-latest-news-Italy-inten...

    Socialized medicine at work.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Mar 11, 2020, at 9:34 PM
  • Quite Mike: In Italy there is one hospital bed for every 255 people. In the US it is one bed for every 356 people. Just curious what you think we will do here, if the number of seriously ill people exceeds our ability to provide care?

    -- Posted by lazarus on Thu, Mar 12, 2020, at 9:55 PM
  • When Chicago hospitals were overwhelmed with shooting victims, they didn't start writing off patients.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/us/chicago-mount-sinai-hospital/index.html

    For triage at the level where patients are left to die will require government intervention. If docs or hospitals made those decisions on their own, the lawsuits would bankrupt them.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 12:13 AM
  • There is a difference between one ER being full and all the ER's being full.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 1:04 AM
  • It would still require government intervention.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 1:08 AM
  • Government intervention has no effect on how much water will flow thru a pipe. Regardless of what the government decrees (and remember, these are the geniuses who think they control how much daylight there is) if the inflow of patients exceeds capacity, there will be triage decisions made.

    We could just go by first come-first served and close the doors when no one else can get inside. We could go straight for-profit, and let people in according to how much they can pay. We can selectively treat the ones we are most likely to save. It really doesn't matter how your medical care system is set up, if you have more patients at once than you have the resources to treat, you cannot treat them all.

    This is what the whole "social distancing" thing is about. We have a new virus. It is highly contagious, and eventually everyone will be exposed. Most people are going to have little or no problem dealing with it, because it is (fortunately) not very virulent. Some percentage of people are going to get seriously ill. We don't know that exact percentage, because science has had very little time to study it while it has spread all over the world like wildfire. Even if that only amounted to 1 person in 100, if everyone is exposed in a short period of time. Take Italy and assume there is only the capacity to treat 1 out every 255 people and 1 in 100 are sick at the same time. There are 55 million people in Italy, and the simple math is that there would be almost 350,000 more sick people than they could treat. No government decree can create medical care for those people.

    While we don't know the exact percentages, they are certainly lower than the ones you see. Because only the more severe cases are being caught. We do know that, left to spread unchecked, it quickly overwhelms the medical care systems of even the most advanced countries. It happened in China, and their government responded quickly. It has happened in Italy, and their government responded quickly. We have had months of warning, and have treated this like everything else...as a political question. How will it effect the endless campaign?

    I think the important thing to understand is that the appropriate response is not predicated on the belief that we can avoid everyone being exposed, nor that we can change the number of people who get ill. There might have been a brief moment, when it first appeared in China, that it could have been eliminated. That time has passed. We will all be exposed, and everyone who is going to become seriously ill will become seriously ill. All the shutting down of mass gatherings is aimed at doing is slowing it down a little, so that our medical care system can handle the volume of cases that occur at once.

    It is a sad statement about our leadership that, with months to prepare we did nothing. We called it a "hoax" like fooling the believers into denying a problem would make it go away. We hampered testing, as if not reporting what was going on would make it not happen. And now we are looking for scapegoats to blame. Reality show answers do not work in real world reality. Amazingly enough, it is the private sector, where people act on real facts, instead of the bobbing heads of political loyalists, where there is an effort being made to do what should have been done months ago. And they cannot replace the crippled system of information collection that it is too late to use.

    Maybe we will be lucky, and that will be enough. We will probably know before too long. Or maybe they will be able to hide the real cost of reality show government.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 9:55 AM
  • *

    Come on laz, I know you are smarter than this. I wish the chicken little sky is falling looney left would at least take a break from the lies and partisanship until the panic is over. You say we've had months to prepare and done nothing. BS. It has been 2 1/2 months since the world first knew. Remember a long time ago when you people were having fits because Trump banned travel from China? You people (the Trump can never do anything right left) had a cow with the knee jerk racist/xenophobe response. The CDC Rapid Response Team was all over this from day 1, like Michael Jackson on a Cub Scout. It took your buddy b o 6 months to declare an emergency for H1N1 which killed more people SARS-2(Covid-19) will.

    Yes, Trump did utter the word "hoax". But you know d*mn well he did not call the virus or the pandemic it is causing a hoax. Everyone except the ignorant and stupid know that he called the dimrat partisan resistance to his efforts to combat Covid-19 a hoax. If you want to b!tch about a slow response, go ask ninny nancy and crying chucky why they had Congress tied up in January with their witch hunt instead of dealing with this.

    Covid-19 is a new (novel) coronavirus. The coronaviruses are one of the families of viruses that cause the common cold. Many people infected with a cold virus don't know because they don't get sick or don't get sick enough to know they are sick. Most get sick and feel bad for a week or so. Some get sick enough to die. With SARS-2(Covid-19) it is the same way. Just that more than usual get bad sick or die. To date worldwide there have been zero deaths of people age 8 and under. People with chronic illness and people over age 60 (especially >80) have more risk of dying. But guess what? Tens of thousands of people in the US have died this past year with the plain old run of the mill flu. And no one bats an eye. Go figure.

    The things that can protect you from the current scare of the year are the same things you should be doing anyway. If you have watched any tv in the past month you know it by heart. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Don't cough on people. Don't get around sick people. Etc.

    Yes, this one is more infectious than most. But not everyone will be exposed. Most will. All that are exposed will not get infected. Most that get infected will not get sick or have minimal illness. Some will get real sick and some of those will die.

    Shutting down large gatherings will slow the spread some and there by may prolong the season some. But it will probably flatten the bell curve of illness and give the medical community time to process the sick in a reasonable manner. If it doesn't and there are too many people to care for at the same time, they will still be taken care of like in any other mass casualty event. Things will work differently for a while, but they will still work.

    I guess I am just too idealistic. I really had hoped that the never Trumpers would give it a rest or at least dial it back while we work through this. Alas, it appears that they have their foot on the accelerator. I'm not a big fan of hoarding toilet paper. But there sure are plenty of people that need to make sure they have an adequate supply since they are so full of it.

    Helpful hint. Don't do this:

    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RelievedRapidBobcat-size_restricted.gifhttps://thumbs....

    -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 11:44 AM
  • -- Posted by fair share on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 11:55 AM
  • Laz says, with months to prepare, we did nothing.

    I guess he forgot travel with China was restricted back in January, but that action was immediately met with calls of racism and xenophobia.

    Were dems so obsessed with peach mints, they didn't notice what was being done?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 4:58 PM
  • yes. he did nothing. The China travel ban. I am not sure what "you people" you are thinking about, but I sure didn't have any issue with the China travel ban. The whole thing was kind of under my radar until China started locking down their own cities, and shutting down their economy. That was enough to know that this had the potential to be really serious. That day I was flying back from one of my trips and had a long layover in Heathrow. The whole time I was there, fleeing Chinese with their little facemasks were all over the place. This was none too comforting. I am not sure why you warn people before you quarantine someplace.

    Beyond that, what? The Response unit had been disabled and politicized. The CDC was politicized. His first response was to make all CDC statements be cleared by the White House. Everything has to fit in with the endless campaign. He called it a hoax. Spin it how you like, hoax doesn't have a very flexible meaning. And tweeting insults is pretty much his main weapon against anything. We spent two months denying there was a problem. He tried to prevent testing, while claiming testing was available. If there are no numbers to report, there is no problem, right? Last week he was still saying people could go to work sick. How out of touch is that? This week, he was trying to talk people out of shutting down large gatherings, it might tank his precious stock market.

    For the US to finally respond, it took sports leagues, the NBA, the NHL, the NCAA. It took concert promoters, and Event managers to see what was happening in Italy, and shut down on their own. Yesterday, a meaningless quarantine of travel from the EU. Meaningless, since the UK, with among the worst problems, was still open. Even that, was little more than a campaign speech. 75% bragging about what a great job he had done, 20% blaming others, and 5% content. Finally, this morning; leading from the rear. We get a declaration of emergency. And a declaration that the failure of our response and failure to test was not his fault. We basically know less about the status of the outbreak in the US than anyone else in the free world.

    I reckon we will find out in the next week or two if we have dodged a bullet, and the private sector acted in time to stop this from getting completely out of control. If we did, it was no thanks to the current administration.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 11:32 PM
  • CDC numbers, nearly 20,000 adults and 136 children have died from the flu this season. Why not the uproar? I'm don't downplay the seriousness of the Covid-19 virus, they ALL need to be taken seriously. Folks, wash your hands, frequently, stay home if you are ill.

    -- Posted by SharonSue65 on Sat, Mar 14, 2020, at 11:17 PM
  • I suppose the things that are feared the most is that they do not have a vaccine and a solid understanding of how it transmits.

    There might be other things they are not sharing with us. Like how to treat it. I have not heard if our current medicines are effective or what helps the symptoms.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Mar 15, 2020, at 7:48 AM
  • It's a virus, so airborne for 3 hours and solid surface for 12. There is no "treatment" except rest and hydration just like any other cold virus. Common sense has flown out the window in the last week.

    -- Posted by SharonSue65 on Sun, Mar 15, 2020, at 8:18 AM
  • *

    Actually, plasma from recovered victims, which contains antibodies, is somewhat effective in treating the severely ill. Of course there is very limited supply and hasn't been much studied yet. Some antiviral medications are also being studied. They don't cure viral infections but can sometimes reduce symptoms. Think of Tamiflu for influenza.

    -- Posted by fair share on Sun, Mar 15, 2020, at 9:42 AM
  • Tamiflu only reduces the symptoms by 2 days. It is not widely used in Europe due to ineffectiveness and cost.

    -- Posted by SharonSue65 on Sun, Mar 15, 2020, at 12:56 PM
  • I suppose the things that are feared the most is that they do not have a vaccine and a solid understanding of how it transmits.

    There might be other things they are not sharing with us. Like how to treat it. I have not heard if our current medicines are effective or what helps the symptoms.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Mar 15, 2020, at 8:35 PM
  • *

    I don't think they have vital information they are keeping from us. As time goes on and they learn more about it, minor (not significant) differences may emerge. It is a respiratory virus. It is spread by droplet/aresol and hand to mouth. Hence the mantra "wash your hands, don't touch your face, social distancing". There are case reports of viral shedding from saliva, tears, and stool 40 days after apparent recovery. Not sure yet if this is very infective.

    There is no real treatment other than symptomatic. Some antivirals are under investigation and they are getting started looking at plasma/immune globulin which actually should end up being fairly effective in treating the most severely ill. Since it comes from the blood of recovered patients, it will take quite some time to develop a supply that could be used for the general population. But just like treating flu, the antivirals may help some but aren't a cure.

    Rest, fluids, tylenol/ibuprofen, over the counter cough and cold meds (mainly for their placebo effect) for the symptoms. Relatively few of the infected people will need more advanced symptomatic treatment such as oxygen, nebulizers, assisted breathing with ventilators.

    Work is underway on developing vaccines. But realistically, if everyone got one this very minute it would not make much if any difference with this current pandemic. They will be available next covid season. But I just don't understand all the concern about a vaccine. We have a vaccine for influenza and soooo many people didn't get it this year. Now would be a great time for the antivaxers to travel to China, or Nashville, or Walmart, and test their theories.

    There is one thing they are not telling us that really could help dramatically. They are not telling us to turn off the dang television. I'm not making light of people's need for information. But this 24/7 wall to wall coverage is having a deleterious effect on us. When every time you turn on the tv and the running total of infected and dead is higher than the last time you turned it on it is gonna not be good for you. Especially when it is rarely if ever in context.

    Worldwide as of now 6,513 deaths. Out of how many billion people??? In Tennessee right now zero deaths. Out of how many million people??? How many people in Tennessee and worldwide have died this season from influenza? I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers but it is exponentially more. (For nonmath people, exponentially, to quote sleepy joe "is a BFD".) And when this is all said and done it will still be more for the flu. And no one freaks out about the flu.

    To quote Susan Powter, "Stop the insanity".

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 6:31 AM
  • A BIG thumbs up for stop the insanity. (My auto speller almost let me say “stop the sandwich”).

    I barely watch the news and when it mentions Virus I am gone.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 7:11 AM
  • *

    Well, Steve, you must be hungry 🥪

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 9:59 AM
  • Fair share, my sentiments exactly. Number wise. 11 children in TN have died from the flu, Nationwide 144, as of Saturday night. This flu season nearly 20,0000 adults have died from the flu. These are either CDC numbers or TN Dept of Health. I fussed on Twitter till I actually received an answer from the TN Dept of Health, looked up the other numbers from the CDC.

    -- Posted by SharonSue65 on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 11:56 AM
  • It remains to be seen how insane it is. While people's panic response has been ridiculous, the threat is very real. I have been in close contact with business associates in the hard hit countries through the entire thing. We are, today, where Italy, Spain, and France were two weeks ago.

    While it is fortunately not the most deadly disease that has come down the pike, it is a brand new disease, and it is highly communicable. No one has an immunity. There is no treatment. The number of cases, and deaths can grow exponentially. With 400 million prospective hosts, the biggest danger is having it spread so fast that our health care systems are overwhelmed. If that happens, a lot of preventable deaths will occur. We don't know what is going to happen. (Maybe the NCAA and NBA took the bull by the horns in time) but with everyone in the population a potential victim, a number of deaths in the millions would be a possibility... and that is only with a 1% mortality rate. Panic buying is stupid. The US has lots of food (and even toilet paper), and this is not going to impact our ability to distribute it. Shutting down assemblies of people is smart. The more we slow down the spread, the more we can learn about how to treat it, or eventually produce a vaccine or a cure.

    Meanwhile, this is going to run its course. Pretty much everyone is going to be exposed, and the ones that are going to die are going to die.... hopefully at a slow enough rate we can bury them. The end result remains to be seen. Will it settle in as an annual seasonal illness like the flu? will it run out of potential hosts and die out? will it settle in as a year round threat until we come up with a vaccine, like smallpox? or will it find some other niche that we have not anticipated? Nobody knows. Running about 2 weeks behind Italy, we know what things might be like in two weeks. And that is not pretty. Sadly, we have no real idea of how widespread it is, or how many people have already been infected. That said, the insanity is not really helpful.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 7:24 PM
  • -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 8:11 PM
  • *

    False information is also not helpful. We already have a vaccine and testing it has already started. But it will take several months to get it in general use. Not because it is somehow Trump's fault. But because they have to do studies to make sure it is safe and effective.

    We have some treatments that are being tested. Antivirals may help but won't kill the virus. Chloroquine, an old malaria drug is used in severe cases. It prevents viral attachment to the cells. Also immune globulin which contains antibodies that attach to and deactivate the virus is being used as a study drug in severe cases. It comes from serum (blood) of recovered patients. Another unhelpful thing is links to sites you can't read unless you pay them.

    We do need to take this seriously and follow the precautions the CDC and compatriots on Trump's team tell us to. We do need to not panic. This isn't our first rodeo with deadly respiratory viruses.

    Most if not all ERs are or will be slammed. But hospitals have mass casualty plans that they regularly practice. Some will likely be strained beyond the limit. But the Feds are ready when needed. One thing that could greatly reduce the strain on ERs and hospitals would be for people who are otherwise healthy and have fever, cough, and not in distress (labored breathing) to stay home and call your doctor. If you have a cold or flu, why would you want to go somewhere that is packed with possible coronavirus? And if you do have coronavirus but not that sick with it, why would you want to go out exposing others just to be told to go home for 2 weeks and take tylenol? Even in a week or so when they could test you for it, it ain't gonna change your treatment. Stay away from the hospital unless you are deathly ill.

    Stay home, make a pitcher of "quarantini" and chillax for a few weeks.

    -- Posted by fair share on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 10:07 PM
  • I did not know you had to pay for that link... I didn't pay for it.

    -- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Mar 16, 2020, at 11:56 PM
  • I got to it as well but had a number of pop-ups to navigate. Staying home is a natural for me, but I will have a stir crazy wife in a week or so. Of course, I can stay home because she does most of the shopping.:-)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 8:22 AM
  • Baltimore mayor begs citizens to stop shooting each other, so hospital beds can be used for coronavirus patients.

    https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/18/we-need-those-beds-baltimore-mayor-urg......

    -- Posted by quietmike on Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 3:51 PM
  • *

    I just can't hardly believe Baltimoreians are so selfish as to hog those beds for their own violence. Oh, wait a minute. That's old Cummings' rat hole. Okay, I can believe it. Wonder if Lori Lightfoot will do the same?

    -- Posted by fair share on Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 6:19 PM
  • I wonder if that mayor will come under criticism for admitting such a thing.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Mar 18, 2020, at 6:59 PM
  • Trudeau has agreed to close Canada's border with the US to all non essential traffic.

    Does this mean Trudeau is now a racist and xenophobe?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51949243

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 7:54 PM
  • *

    Naw. He's just a Tim Hortons donut eater.

    But they better stay on their side of the border if they know what is good for them.

    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/eA96cgI

    -- Posted by fair share on Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 8:50 PM
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